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Welcome to each year podcast from the HBO late real time. Thank God rate, to be back. Thank you so much that Mr Studio, or in we can offer a month. I gosh I was hoping when I got back I'd, be able to report. At her nose, but no actually, California is pretty much shut down. The only thing open here now our beaches, grocery stores and well Smith.
Oh yeah, lot lot has happened in the last months since we ve been off, the Russians would bounties edge of american soldiers in Afghanistan, trumpeted saving and Trump ACE Tis dementia test. Oh, oh and were at war with Portland, Oh yeah, no biggie now. But if you protest against the american government Mass guys, throw you in a van, it's all explained and trumps new hat makes of Amerika great again, but yeah I mean that who is doing this with federal Office federal triplet dismissed Ray police trompe likes. Creating these armies member a couple years goes space sports yen. Now he's got race for
I thought this was really incredible: parted the story it cut so ugly up there, the protesters moms one point formed a human shield. They called the wall of moms and I'm we're doing. A similar thing here and allay when we have a protest called the wall of men oh yeah and at the head of the Portland and doubly Safie get this. He said the white people are collapsing. Now movement has been caused by privileged white people and I think that's true of uncle Trump today. She threw away her jar of caviar and took a stealthy with a brick look. I answer. The left you motherfuckers better start
in writing because he's a hundred days left until the election. Listen to this back Prairie Bernie Sanders Chair of his campaign said the other day you said. Voting for Biden is like eating half a bowl of shit. What you're partly calls the Many that's that's not fair report, which rightly healthier than fast food, even though I just said you eat bullshit, but you don't mean that your boat lay there. But but you I mean look, things were going Graded America, as we know, and then this week Trump had to find a new favorite, doktor doctors, Dela Emmanuel. Have you seen her ear? He saw her on you too. She was saying that medicines contain alien dna
and that diseases caused by having sex with a demon while you're asleep, but chiefly I'll, give you a bit to absorb that what but she likes hydroxide chloric when so Trump said. I thought her voice. He said I thought her voice was an important voice, but I know not about. A lot of people are saying she owns a lab coat. I mean just remember this about what you hear somebody while he's a doctor. He s a lot of people could be a doctor. She's a licence. Pediatrician GI is a real doctor. In fact, she's in my network com. A permanent it and the Good NEWS is there, except in new pages, but that's where we are with America at the president. This is the president of the United States, endorses this crank doctor who says that the devil fucks people in their sleep and my
first thought is. It sounds better than reheating that meat loaf and I'm telling you this doctor room doktor, whatever name doktor greatly burgeon she's not backing down. Today she tweeted as America, some name deliverance from demon sperm, I'm not kidding cheap tweeted that and that's when Alex Jones went I'll have which is But, of course, the big political issue. These days is that the two parties are trying to hammer out another bill for covered relief and trump get. This insists that include this is covered relief. He said it in it says that include money for a new FBI headquarters, which I mean he does have a point about- that we do need that, and I mean all the agents at the J Edgar Hoover buildings.
It's a real drag and the most important issue are at least it should be as that Trump tweeted today. I guess it was yesterday- ok yesterday, tweeted that twenty twenty will be the most inaccurate and free. Joint election, and then he paused to question the lay the election until people can safely vote. Ok for everyone who is call me crazy? The last three years, because I was asking this question and saying he would do exactly that. I will accept your apology we'd we got a great shout. We have just carried carry why things and Thomas Chatter, devoid of bearing wise. I spoke yesterday today, but that of yet today, let's get you ok he has the Emmy nominated actor who produce the ac. You documentary the fight which you can see.
Select cinemas on video and on demand starting Friday July. Thirty verged tonight for those watching too and carry Washington carry Thank you so much for doing this. My first question to you is that you feel the earthquake today, and I don't mean the thing that got me out of bed- I mean that trumps trumps. He twisted that, what's a delayed, the election era, later in this country. Now. What is your reaction to that on? You know not to jump right into the found, but I do have to jump right into the from one of the things that happened for me. You know I have always had such a great deal of respect for the easy Oh you and have always had a really good working relationship with them, but what I came to realize is Every single thing that we are worried about right now, I'll gb, cheek you raids, women's right to choose. I'm police brutality,
and black bodies, immigrants, raids, voting rights. When you read something horrible happening in the paper, you can be guaranteed that the eu- still you is on it. They are at the forefront of this by eight of battling the attack on civil rights and so on. Liberty is so my first response. Honestly when I read it was like. Oh, I bet that deal o who runs the voting rights. Division of the value is gonna drop out of some of our interviews for the movie today, because he has work to do, and I am grateful that he's on the ground doing that were wrong. Well, they sure name defending the icy, oh you because they also defend people who are abhorrent and a I think a lot of times on the left. We forget about four in the interest of not being offended and
I think it's great that someone like you, get out there and says yes, the icy you is our friend, even though they defended the Nazis and Skokie. They defended people at Charlotte they they defended the Westboro Baptist Church. I mean they walk the walk. They really do be known people they try to remind people that there has ever been a precedent since the inception of the seal you a hundred years ago, there's never been a president who hasn't been sued. They pursued every President Republic into Democrats because they really are invested in the rights of all people. But I am also I am very proud of how we deal with the whole Charlottesville situation in the film we really we asked them about it. We wait our invaded into their introspection and they're doing a lot of conversations with in organization right now around where they stand,
and making sure that there also factoring in access to power when they choose their clients. Here they believe in free speech, but when they decide which clients they will work with. There there having with complicated new ones conversation about that and we were able to capture some of that for the film which I'm really proud of your, were you should be it's a great fun when I hope everybody gets a chance to see it in some, platform, and we have lots of time to do that. So you should see then try it. I know I know everybody is watching black is king. This weekend I am too, but when you're done with black thing, you can watch the fight I saw it was John Louis's funeral today, air this show tomorrow, but it was today- and I know you know him- I have had a lot of thoughts and emotions, and then a Obama spoke, of course, to know in surprise. He was great Bill Clinton smoke. George Bush spoke not someone you would expect. But to me I thought
It was a good sign in America we have derived to you did Joe. I did I Really did I felt like you know this idea of being able to have conversation across the aisle. The idea of respect and we are talking at other and not with and to each other and on, and that is not how we're going to get a real change in that country, but you know people who will say well it's it's not right, because George Bush's father they really Horton, ad and and George Bush, you Know- was not a great friend of the african American You say that I get it. I get it, but I think that it's funny like it's ready how
how things can seem rosy when you're in when you are faced with new circumstances when it comes to president, but I Marge dude, I protest. Did bushes presidency eyebrow approach, as did the war, I protested the cuts to better funding for the arts. I still think that, when a great civil rights leader passes and somebody from the other side of the iron says I want to come and show respect that that is something I welcome, and I welcome it because we have to restore the Voting rights ACT. And- and I want to be in conversation with legislative officials, elected officials who are willing to step outside their comfort zone to do what is right, for all people and just staying away and keeping this huge divide is not how you guarantee rights for all American. I think that's a good point also about we with Trump we have pursued
now. You know about people, we don't agree with fully but it doesnt and doesn't really help anything to point beggars and say: you're, not you're, not nearly as good as May, though. You know you have to just be vanished, but ok so Joe Biden. He says the other day that he is going to choose, as vice president. The coming week and we may find out who that is very soon after any? thoughts on that one who is your druthers choice? Do you think it's gonna be either gives him a cobbler Harris. You do absolutely I mean she amends for a number. I would bet any money I have left, which is very little now after they took away ass my way to make a living and one another stories, but yeah. I think it's going to become a series of issues that law and order, prosecutor that
the answer is a lot of what Trump is trying to sell on his side about unrest in the streets and she's, a black woman, and I just think she's and I like her, I think, good. I mean she had some mistakes in the campaign, but I think she's got yeah. I agree. I think that would be an excellent choice. I've been commonly would be an excellent Tracy they see Abrams would be an excellent arose was on our, nor should I loved her lover these are really really powerful. Strong, Well, we love you, I they said there before we started, you keep getting to be a bigger star, but you keep doing. I shall, which I can say for all the big stars out there like Joe Biden they used to do, I show then it became vice president. I forgot all about it, but you are true blue. I thank you. So much can gradually on your ten. I mean I'm a nation's yesterday and good luck with the film. Thank you so much you sound like ok
our panel. He is a colleague Mr Harbour's magazine and author of Self Portrait in black and white on learning race, which will be available in paper back on September, fifteenth, Thomas Chatterton William, so I call Sir Thomas Chatterton Williams. Fettes Jason Journalism, author of how to fight Anti Semitism, our friend very wise Hague, how you doin the girl, you two troublemakers you two are troublemakers and we're going to talk about the two letters. This is it Ellen two letters, we'll start men, chronological order, the first one was the one that came out in Harpers caused a big stir, bury you signed it and helped shape it. Tom monsieur I think the ringleader and was signed by all like a who's who of intellectuals around the world and its basically a push back on cancel culture
France has a guy who did a show called politically incorrect and another one called real time. Thank you because we need a push back on cancer culture, but to people coming to this too first time and dont know all the details or just tell briefly, you know: what's your gripe? Isn't this just a bunch of beats whining sir dollars, No, I don't think it is. Basically I was of your conversation with a couple other writers who, along with me, organise this letter. George Packer Mark Lilla, Robert Worth and David Green Birch and with market alone George Packer for a couple of years, we ve been talking about the climate of some sort. Business and liberalism that's been setting in and our nations cultural and media institutions, and in the past few months it seemed to really be something you couldn't ignore, and so we started talking about putting together a lighter if anyone would sign at and it was kind of catches,
can, and as we started getting more and more names, we realise that it may be that we get some attention, but none of us expected it would be talked about for most of the month of July. The way, has been and internationally I mean I've been taking interviews from July to to Spain, to Canada, to the UK. You name it well there very little else going on that's Wagner attention, but read some of the names of the names on the less, because what strikes me about it is, of course, the pushed back. His coming from. Look almost everyone who signs this letter is a liberal Margaret. At what name is went in Marseilles Steven Pinker, NOME Chomsky. J K, Rolling Malcolm well Belge John Salman Rushdie, glorious Steinem Rwanda. I mean these are liberal. This is but amazes me about this Barry I mean that YO, they call you a centrist or a right winger I mean if they hip,
but when you, jewish, bisexual girl whose living in San Francisco is a liberal- and you, Sir Thomas, who is these days right to be have only on the show. My hat your help, I think, with critical about the latter, is the latter is a warning. Cry from inside of the institution's meaning. What we're trying to say what the letter in what Thomas I think, J B in informing it was saying happening now, with its growing culture of liberalism, is different from criticism Thomas and I and you will were used to criticism criticism here. Closer in the work that we do criticisms great. What cancel culture is analogous, not criticism. It is about punishment, it is about making a person radioactive. It is about
away their job. The writer Jonathan Roush has called it something like social murder and I think that's right and I think, a critical part of it. If you look at a bunch of instances that I hope will get into its, not just about punishing the sinner, not just about punishing the person for being insufficiently sure it's about a sort of secondary boycott of people who, with Jane to speak tonight, or appear on a platform with that person, and we see just very obviously where that kind of politics gets us if conversation with people that we disagree with becomes impossible. What is the way that we solve conflict and, after her Unlike whereby and not disagree with that, much get, this is Russia's internal level. This is this is the critical thing out. Politics in this country has come to supplant religion and I believe it has for many people. Politics has come to be
people's almost religious identity, and so you see it on the flight with the kind of worship of Trump as a deity. He can do nothing wrong and you see it on the left where to be anything less than defending the police, or about the police to choose the issue of the day makes you something like a heretic bright and that's an enormous problem, because what it's meant is the collapse of moderate. It's meant the collapse of this enter and the reader I of this country and the whole deal with this country. The reason editing sectional with all of its flaws- is the major part from history. We say: clannish ness tribalism, but we can overcome that that there's something bigger than lineage or chain or the political tribe you belong to, and I think what were seeing right now. It is the very scary moment is a kind of return to the mean of history, and I think it's up to us to defend the ideas that have made this country unique and departure from history
its people, inauthentic. For those who think that this is just again celebrities, whining herb elites or something that was a survey recently in sixty two percent of people, people, you know regular people say there are free. To share with they truly believe, and we become eyes to call them avatars. Does your real self, who talks around the kitchen a bar with very close friends. Are you trust and then there's this public person, which is even if you have a hundred followers on twitter or whatever at the office sometimes even at the drunken claim when you with friends, you can't trust they might tackle on you at work. If you say a bad joke, or something and people don't like walking around on eggshells, so I just want to read so puts a meat on the views, both parties is exactly from your letter. Editors are for for running controversial pieces. Journalists are barred for writing certain topics. Professors
to get it for quoting works of literature in class and researcher is fired for circuit, circulating a peer reviewed study. You know when you go when, when the science has to come. Second to the political correctness, we're in trouble am I right certain this is this is more about the just elites. Absolutely, and you know the KEDO Institute study that you site it states also that moderates liberals and concern. Those are all afraid to say what they think. The only group that says that they don't feel this fear is staunch progressives so that most of it that I think the two percent is an ideologically diverse assortment of people in The reason why this critique that this letter was in defence of elites who don't like taking Chris says social media. The reason why that doesn't ring true is because so many
people have been emailing all of us to, let us know their editorial assistance. There associate professors their people in law, firms that don't feel comfortable thing, what they actually think and Firstly, an act of generosity when you have someone like Malcolm Gladwell or someone like J K, rolling signed a letter like this and make it so that these people a less alone, and let them know that there is some support for the views that they have cancellation is not about bringing down elites back to earth. You only takes a few cases. Actually, too an enormous on worker, a fact that has a chilling and stifling and narrowing influence on all of our behaviors. The onlooker effect is really what were what we're taking a stand against. Alright, let's go to bed Please let us know you resign from the New York Times it was read in Congress. Did I parted that, because the for heads of the big tech companies were testifying before Congress and Jim Jordan, who I don't like at all
but you know this is the thing that you make this a conservative issue. That's that's good! For conservatives, because he's not wrong this end its not wrong. He quoted your letter from your letter bury saying everyone lives in fear of the digital thunder, dome online venom is excuse so long as it's directed at the proper targets and Zuckerberg agreed. These agreed basis said social media is a new ones, destroying machine and I agree, I don't want to live in that world and and burial
does a twitter is not on the mast head of the New York Times, but twitter is become its ultimate editor. What do you mean by that? First of all and gratifying that heads of those big time being tech companies agree with me, but I think we need to look inside their own houses. The fact is that the reason that the New York Times and all these other newspapers around the world had been decimated is because of the products that they sit. On top of the reason that Twitter is the assigning editor of the New York Times is because the printing press isn't the printing as any more it's, because the publishing the printing press is in each one of our pockets, these technologies have severed our relationships with the you know, the editors and the newspapers were used to rely on what I,
in that letter, when I wrote the twittering assigning editor, what I mean by that is that, in order to do our job well, writers and editors, we need to have a level of bravery and thick skin and fearlessness. And you are living in fear of an online mob. You know it all it takes. Is a dozen people to repeat a lie about you that your racist you're, a transport but you're, a big it for that lie to become true and that's extremely dangerous. Now the thing that insulated is that when you, when you're leaders at the top who say we don't care about that outside ways, you're going to stand by you and the truth that your pursuing no matter what the problem that happened at the times and its reference,
in the letter, a Harbours letter that Thomas help shape is that my boss got fired for running and head by sitting. U S son it now. You might say that Tom Cotton is detestable, but you just agree with them, but I don't want to live in a world where the views a path of the country can be heard in the paper of record and that I fear we were headed Well, you you are, I don't love you are going to sell, but that's part of what was talked about. You It was an unlawful. You talk to an unlawful discriminate. In a hostile workplace environment. Let me ask this about the link between this issue of cancelling and race, because it seems like that's the ultimate issue, with the cancellation culture, if you're
the wrong side of of what that is now in a course, Sir Thomas. This is one of your big themes and this it's a theme that goes back to the nineteenth century in american history. Should we integrate? Should we become a people who don't see race at all or, as the current vogue seems to be gathering, should be a peep be a people who see it everywhere. So once you give us your major theme on that, well. You know one definition. Of insanity, is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result? we have a long and tortured history of believing what logically, is not real racial differences between groups of people, but by leaning into this fiction and and and reinvested in the race idea as a way of making a healthier society bessie. Is totally wrong, headed to me that the two voices that dominate the conversation I raised,
right now and America are robbing the Angelo and Abram Candy, both of whom are absolutely uncompromising, in their view of racial deference day, to paraphrase Dames Baldwin, they both insist that man's categorization is the only thing, that's real and that cannot be transcended so that its weight. Individuals are irredeemably members of oppressive and print and approval of an oppressive and privileged groups, and blackened those are inescapably members of group upon whom White people act either for good or for ill. But blacks are, agents in this and then Asians, and so many other people who don't neatly slot interval. Rachel binary. We don't know what they say about them, but for you Angelo there's a kind of circular logic that very devastating. If you're right, you're, inherently racist, to deny that is to prove your racism and to admit that is to prove your racism for candy.
Every single aspect of our lives, every idea, every action. Every policy is either racist or antiracist, with no grey and between what other aspects I lived in shared reality is so neatly by forget and over simplified, as that we don't even accept any longer and for good reason that even sexual difference is so their or a matter, and we are accepting that now in our understanding of rapes and racism in its also just it's an unbelievably flatly in category is the person whose grandparents crawled out of the death camps of you? the same as it do. They have the same lived experience as a person whose grandparents came to this sorry whose ancestors came to this country and the Mayflower Is a nigerian immigrants immigrant to America different from a person there lived experience than a person whose father grew up in the Jim Crow South. That's ridiculous,
on its face. Even if those people have the same amount of melanin in their skin right am I find that everyone is always having a certainly on the for a liberal left, a contest about whose whose whose better on this issue- and somebody was saying to me the other day about dumb theirs there's never been a black woman governor and I was like yeah, that's bad. It signed that. Terrible, we should elect won an or more, and then that would just become a contest of who hates that more focused more pistol up about that, and that's not what really is going to move us forward. I feel I feel like the the view of Obama and Martin Luther king is is being lost. Do you feel that way? Yes, I think that when we were in danger of really rare,
Investing in the idea that race is real and that it cannot be escape, that is the fundamental category that defines us that way. People are essentially different from people and were in danger of making people living. Today I worked, a world where everybody alive today is a representative of the thoughts, misdeeds and circumstances of their. Sisters and that's not a world that I want to create. Your post is what we are going to do. I want to connect with Thomas just said: the idea that you know people are because of the sense of their ancestors there's an array. Relevant cheese that connects to cancel culture, which is what we are talking about. The for the letter was signed by luminaries, but there are lots of people in this country who are feeling this and the immigration of cancel culture who aren't famous. I spoke to one of the last his name is much. Do you want? It is past
Jenny and refugee who built an unbelievably successful business, called holy and in Minneapolis, if it he has two hundred m, oh yeah they may promising the bakery. They her restaurant, someone discovered the tweets of his daughter. Did she wrote when she was between the ages of fourteen and sixteen years old immediately when those streets were discovered, they were horrible tree they were racist. They were anti semitic. All of his accounts were cancelled from places like. US and sounds his The least owner of his bakery kicked. Him is kicking. Out of the building and you scared he's gonna go bankrupt, you fire. His daughter he apologized to breed have anti racism training. None of it was enough and he said to me I believe the american dream, but is this America? Is it America to hold a purse a business owner liable for the sins of a child when you were a teenager that seems deep, Latin America where I'm in accidents.
Example. But there are lots of extreme examples, examples that aren't extreme but also makes me Always gonna go poor. Are these perfect people out there in the world today never made any mistake of any kind and don't they think it's gonna come back it and by them in the ass. Well, that's the whole point theirs an argument from self interest. That should be prominent in the debate around consolation. To paraphrase Christopher Higgins, when you violate someone's free speech or you proposed to violate their free speech. You are, in effect also making the rod for your own back. There The liberalism can be picked up and used by only one, and we all seem to think that it's just outside who always get to decide. But of course, that's not true, and, of course I mean flight robes routes, Pierre, couldn't escaped the deity like we should learn lesson from that, and the fact is that cancel culture can come for any of us which is why we have to resist it
right- and I want to make one in this week when we think about an extraordinary lifelike Jean Louis. I want to make the point that his was a view. His was a point of view that was divergent from the consensus at the time that he was alive. Things look so clear to us now. Back then? At the time he was defying consensus, minorities in the powerless and the oppressed do the best in societies and spaces better then, are maximally open that are maximally tolerant of divergent and even heretical points of view, and we need to have all the points of view that we can have, because we don't know what the truth is actually going to shake out to be, and twenty fifty years down the road we need. We need to challenge our consensus. Views ran
an end where we think about Jean Louis. We should think about. That was a guy who saw something wrong and stood up and spoke up for it, and he didn't just add here today that the prevailing consensus at the time right, I'm sorry, I'm just gonna added. He did it unbelievable personal cost and when we're thinking about the cultural problems we face and Billy references before were there's, you know, people had avatars the about public persona, neighbour, private persona and too many people right now. I do not want to speak up because they are afraid of the consequences and the ramifications. The only way to stop people start to speak up. Well, that's a good question. Why did if, if most people don't like this- and there have been a number of surveys about this- like something like eighty percent, including most liberals- do not like this atmosphere, why does it retain the power? the Dutch who has this power and what an how can they exert it so fully? Is it just because people are too afraid when
someone sticks a microphone in your face. I think this is what it is. A lot and they say this person said this. Even you, if you really think and get you a real person, takes that wasn't so bad it just much safer to go yes, what a terrible thing they said now, I'm on the same side of the debate and the twitter mob doesn't come after me. How do you get back to twitter? My party take down the main girls. How much you want to reverse show I think that you know we're in uncharted territory. I think that we can't really have a conversation about what is new indifferent and why people are so timid now without talking about technology and by the fact that people are really accustomed to or built for then some celebrities aren't really built for a hundred thousand. In the case of someone like Justine's echo a million or more people criticising you
call your names and coming out your job. All at once. I mean that when you have a big enough quantitative change, it makes a qualitative change we're in a new territory, and I think that the onlooker effect it cannot be overestimated. People see what happens to somebody like just in psycho. They even can see what happens to somebody Strong enough to survive it like Heaven heart particularly, and they know they don't wanna come anywhere close to their. So we all keep our heads tat much lower and we all- I just our views to two to three to two- not stick out tonight rough many fathers and has a devastating effect on the free exchange of ideas and its end and in something that we haven't tackled. It were participating in a mass psychological experiment with this technology companies you don't know where we're headed with it, I agree, and I think that one very obvious way, but this stops is by you know wanting for individuals to stand up. It's another thing for companies
preparations to stand up trader Jos today. I recommend everyone goes and find it finds it without an amazing statement. They were criticised because they have different ethnic names on various food. It's kind of teaching in thought. You know trader, whose aids on their beer and they were criticised by a very strong online boycott. It said this is racism and they said no. It's not it's fun. Our customers enjoy it? We enjoy it. Sorry we're not changing at that thing right now is sort of like a profiling courage, rush, there's something about our moment, but that's really what's replied right, you're right! That's what we need more of because being able to speak freely. For those who say we oh sure this is an issue, but you know in the age of trumpets, really just a small. It's not a small thing. Being able to speak freely is the light blood that only a democracy, really our very way of life, so yeah, ok, trader Jos, they gotta do something about the parking lot. But I agree with you that that's a good thing, but I gotta go
you're a great thank you for coming on and keep keep at it because you know we we need to keep at it. Thank you guys, aren't you bill well in well in a ban. Knows I guess the most chilling came from Trump himself. He tweeted that he was thinking about delaying the election and I know what's going to happen, but you can tell you serious about being president for life because he's talking about a book, we got advance copy of it because that's what people do when they want to burn their credentials to be president for life. They put out a book and his is called people. Don't know that because that's his big claimed to fame he's always telling you things nobody else November. Healthcare is complex, Nobody knows at Lincoln was Europa. Can people don't know that? So this is his book and look at some of the things in this book. Babe Ruth was a fantastic baseball player. People don't know that most people do
When you look at a mirror, everything is backwards. People when, when doctors stole that talking about your poop, nobody knows bad, but When a woman gives birth, the baby comes out with a cord attach most people don't know that Pizza made from cheese, tomatoes and dough. People do not notice. Eminem is a rapid, but also a white guy. Most people don't know that. And the wizard of OZ, the whole thing turns out to be a dream: people and women can have orgasms just like a man people don't know that. Our ideas and after a great act, Roma and the committee decided at least least wrote this who's here.
Tackling global redwood Dana push on our values. I'm sorry is called memoirs and misinformation. I read it. I loved at ease and national treasure, a national icon, I'm sure it will be a national monument someday Jim carry as we had another these crazy monuments. We will not be daring hours the damaged economies around. So I wish can be together in person because you have such electric energy. It's almost have love to touch on you not to touch exactly that. Do it's it's almost certain that we have to do it By rejecting. I wasn't thinking you and like you're, such a hard guy to predict. I dont know being home alone. By the way you would have been great in that movie. I think you, even as an adult I beg you, could have done the movie as the child, but then accepted the burglars or imaginary. In your mind, never existed so we home alone all day like the rest of
How do I inquiringly Is that a good thing for you? Do you love that? Or do you hate that I could see it in no way? It's it's! It's it's great in its horrifying. You know because I need to be encouraged to be social, I need social encouragement. I need you re go out and either and they tell you can wear masking. We can do this and you can do that. I say what a flat you once well, where the management new anxiety about agencies, nothing on the subject of platforms and what about these? That you have a reason to be angry when you smelt something what about painting? I know I have this in my home and I'm gonna hold it up to the year. I bought this at your young, a gallery showing in She's your merely picture a baby Dumdum. It's you have many a mean yourself, political with your painting. I have this and I love that I bought this and it's gonna get males you lot of money someday. I mean it's
It's amazing it really going to blank and accurate depiction of the political record of that it is called the wicked witch of the West Wing, and it's called the wicked witch of the West Wing and its I, I love it, after crop at a pretty penny to get me to part with this, but does go away many. I can't put out their bill so many. I can't go away, there's the Lincoln Monument with a shotgun shooting himself back either. I'll bet, but you say you're gonna losing your muse. You know I mean no. What went what were you pay? and if he goes away what? Oh, my god, ash. There are so many things, there's really so many things, but that's the crazy thing about this era. You know that this this one may women, I a lunatic trader, is able to capture
These I gazed entirely. Almost you know end and everything else suggest second terror. As far as our interests goes because we're in actual mortal danger, you knows Oh yeah, it said it's all our minds and he gets our attention and he gets too much attention and you know. Basically I will. I say back and I look at you and I go for God's sakes- can't we see this for what it is. It's a heist man, it's not Khatami Plaza! ok and we Bruce Willis is on the wrong side. His it's. It's like it's it's a guy who's literal. His entire life is focused towards creating chaos.
Meant to this. Like the oligarchs plan to you, know, divide and conquer, get us fighting with each other fighting with ourselves end and then they can still whenever they want to steal. You can turn the world upside down shake until the money falls out. Well as someone who played Andy Kaufman once it must strike you as it strikes me that really a lot of what he does plan to you, know, divide and conquer, get us fighting with each other fighting with ourselves end and then they can still whenever they want to steal. You can turn the world upside down shake until the Mai falls out. Well, as someone who play Andy Kaufman! Once it must strike you as it strikes me that really a lot of what he does looks like performance are well and exactly I don't think he's smart enough to do. Performance are I honestly, I just think he's he's a wounded wounded. Being you know, and that is
the difference here. Let me talk about. I talk about that date, and I talk about it in the book, is, is the difference between here? Let's get layer materially must not like Donald Trump hijack all your time here when did really about Europe. Which I have here. I wrote you after I read it, I loved it. How did it happen nine years of conversation. Friendship turn in the three years of insane work and something. So what I think is beautiful and I can say it because I'm only responsible for half of it by an early now, it's just an incredible, I don't know what else I think, I'm embarrassed about it. Let me tell you gonna sellers list. I was just shot in the best possible way and in but at this point people are gonna like a cheeses. What this dude I mean that's when I tell them what their fees outer, when we tell them what have work into the tangled and what that, let me describe it.
For people whom I want to get this year. Funding up your own plug Jim I now hear that bears the judge Gary I was just too big. I we couldn't you can move back of it. It's the picture. Check out little generously to promoting democracy movement, what it's so, but What I immediately was grabbed by was the fact that it's a book where Jim carry his character much the way in a sit come. You know that became the the blood now Larry David started it with curb your enthusiasm or maybe Jerry Seinfeld really, but that was lower. Half Larry show too, but where Jerry was Jerry and fell larrea. Larry David, so is it? Is it really that you say Haagen and
is it that person or is it not? And of course the answer is both it is, and it is an that's what you do in a novel. You are Jim, carry run, but I am here engine. Carry your cabinet resents me making fun of my only go. My own. You know very much rang out in my own everything at night, my hunger for for specialists, and at the same time, it also makes full of perceptions. People have about Hollywood, that you know that this is what famous like with your famous very bizarre thing. You can't understand. Unless you get it, you know you you can you want to walk on the moon or you want when your little kid. But then, when you walk you when you go there, you gotta have a suit and you gotta have anything like that. It's no place to live, It's what you and most Eastern approve its bluntly that this is a find other places that are no place to live
while I am, I love her, but I'm begets going to Mars to me. It's like Vegas. I can go to Mars, like banks, managers shut in a room and control the climate. I can't hear already about flag biggest these days but Jim. Once again. Let me plug your book. Let me say one more one more step because it strikes me as a book that could only have been written by a Canadian, because you know you can eat You know you look at America and it's like you want to be part of it and you don't. You know you want to be at the party but you're very ambivalent, about it. I know you're a fountain of talent, all the people of come out of Canada or the party I'm at the party. You know, I'm the door. I'm nature is an extra effort on I'm trying everything I can to let people know that is not normal, to sit and watch a present of the United States
obsessive Lee as spew out purely discharges on twitter all day long, you know of acquainted your back to rob the idea of Europe. Even if illusions, but Europe says we're your talk. I asked you a question about your book or document trumpet them Trump really isn't a big The book not now I'll bet, tyranny. Its but tyranny. Yes, well answered uranium sighted celebrity too great great theme, and also you have a lot of other celebrities by their real names, who you what words in their mouth I'm sure some of them are mad at you and I just after No, I have no idea that, but I can tell you this so far. I you know Nick Cage loves it he's out of his mind over. He thought. Overheat was awesome. Would you know immediately heavers honored by the whole process, Joan Dangerfield sent me lovely emails about bribed what she loved it and how much Roddy Dangerfield would have loved it and and how I dealt with that that character in Canada. The fear that
teacher larceny I and all that stuff and it we're action. Can it be talking to dead people and stop soon having relationships with them I just want to read one little quote here, because I thought it was so funny pointing to the fact that it so hard nowadays to actually do parity. You cannot stay ahead of how weird shit is and at the end, and I want to give too much away, but during the alien invasion, Conway West says you need not be afraid. They speak to me supernatural verses, I am one with their jam and I'm not so sure he didn't say that this week yeah Then it's a very strange thing: we're parity becomes very parallel with reality, but we got a mark. These things. You know he's one of the great characters of our Zeit gazed at this moment, and I wanted him to have a place in it no matter what you do. What I do. I go out well, for me it was a real gift in this town. Am. I was I was home,
We had a month or last month and to have this book right. They gave me a few days of. I read it very fast rate pleasure. I recognise that a great man love just read out from you. I I admire you so much and in your opinion, our finnish. Therefore, I love that in our right very, very lucky yeah we both are all right. Let's hope we have Luck in person soon- and I will see you soon- jim- carry hassling our either. Thank you. Ok, for no role. The squirrels era, Miss Woodley Regulator, gay neural. Someone has to pull trump aside and explain to them that when you brag about a sing, your dementia test, here. Also admitting that it was recommended. You take a dementia test its our sing, you had to do it in the first place like boasting you change around diapers there were
If in February you tweet keep american grade and then in July you tweet make Amerika great again. You have to admit that bitch, In February, in July, you ruined America someone has to remind the czech engine light. What country this is Oh there's something wrong at every don't deal with it now its growth going to grow, bigger problem come on Jack engine like this? Is America call us when the car the fireball. The woman in a pan era who protested wearing a mask by yelling. You, for Your ass, you can smell it out your ass. You think that a mass gonna protect. You have to admit one thing: If someone forded on you, when you're, rather they were wearing paths, narrow dont, be
stupider than your spouse. Here's a real quote on Facebook. From a woman in South Carolina who hates wearing a mask quote my huh, and had to wear a mass got a business trip, and now he has clear media and she believed that he can Romania from a mass and it was a story. Rynch coincidence biggest, while he was away her under our neighbour herpes Finally, Neural America's top health officials have to find the courage to do what the health officials Huntington New York, did they told the end I town of two hundred thousand to go on a diet, because, as the head of the programme put it with covered, nineteen, your twenty as likely to have a poor outcome if your o obese, actually it's worse than that public Health, England, found that people with a body mass index of thirty five to forty have forty,
and greater risk of dying from covert and over honey. It's a ninety percent, greater risk, even being mildly obese, makes it five times more likely. Touching the virus will land you. In the I see you and now people are gaining even more weight, they call it the quarantine, fifteen geez, I remember one plagues had a slimming effect on people. I don't think it's a coincidence that the countries with the lowest rates of obesity have had the fewest covered, deaths. Maybe China is in hiding all their covert deaths. Maybe their secret is if their obesity rate is six percent, and ours is forty. Two and pointing all this out doesn't make me a dick. In fact, the shame is on everyone in media and government who was too cowardly to em
size. How important an issue this is because the virus made it an issue. Obesity was already killing slowly, but you mix it with covered and it kills you fast. Its grey more, you wanted me for saying that, but it won't you. The scientific truth of it. Look no one deserves to die because of their weight. And we should spare no expense protecting vulnerable people, no matter why their vulnerable but make no. Stake America. Fighting covered is like a boxer who into the ring out of shape and is taking a beating for it,. Every day we hear the same warnings about fighting the virus where a mask wash your hands have sex through or a whole the people in charge of health. During a health crisis, Doktor Fouche E Doktor Burke's,
Surgeon General Adams headed the CDC Doktor Redfield National Institutes of Health director Doktor Frances. And then ever really mention the one major thing most people could do to ensure a better outcome. Should they get it to me? It's such a scandal. These doctors won't look straw, in the camera and say the number One thing you can do to improve your chances is to be in bed their general health and the number one route? That is an improved diet to be a doctor right now and not discuss diet like being a clown and want to balloon animals. Why not an all out campaign to educate the public on the dangers of a diet of sugary chemical laden, crap, crispy, cream honoured front line, doctors and nurses in April by giving them eighteen million doughnuts, which is like honor
environment with napalm and why not pain to make it a priority to get decent food into poor neighborhoods. Why not? For repeat, say about a mask yes, say with a recipe for a healthy meal, I think, so many lives could have been saved at the very beginning of this crisis. The medical establishment had made a more concerted effort to tell a man. And while you're in lockdown getting free for not working. You need to do something to even the poorest person could switch out soda at meals for water. It'll save money too. The national campaign to get in shape would have dramatically improved, chances against this disease and made him feel
better about ourselves to boot, but it was never even mentioned. Even in a country that loves challenges, the ice bucket challenge planking, although this will make you puke challenges. Condoms up your nose. Mannequin challenge quite a challenge that one. Why couldn't gotten behind a real challenge like? Oh, I don't know getting Althesa, the virus doesn't kill you challenge, but as shall Obama found out. Just try They give sound nutritional advice, get you vilified in America you're a health, not that's what they say about people would just ain't right there. Not a weird hippy shit like vegetables, no, no we need to stop glamorizing gluttony, diabetes,
This isn't just a theory and with this view risk now enablers and glory of fires, you're playing with peoples, Ives. If you're always on about how this is a life and death issue, and it is, we can have body positivity, be a third rail, any more political correctness can I've seen it before this issue is two fundamental to who lives who dies and two house cesspool America is The in getting out of this crisis. Right. That's our show. I want to thank my guess: carry Washington Sir Thomas certain Williams, very wise and jim- carry we'll be back next week. Probably in my backing hi tone new episode of real time with Bill Maher every Friday night at ten or watching any time on HBO on demand for more information log on to HBO dot com,
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