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Ep. #540: Trey Gowdy, Wynton Marsalis

2020-08-29 | 🔗

Bill’s guests are Trey Gowdy, Wynton Marsalis, Nina Burleigh and Rick Wilson. (Originally aired 8/28/20)

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Welcome to reach me apart from HBO making real time. Nobody. I were back in this dirty. Nobody here we're back at this
man. It's been a long time. I was in my office today it was a family raccoons in my desk, but I guess we adopt a bullet therewith Hurricane Laura hit, but not too bad boy, but it was allocated some damage. I always think that I have only Jerry for we'll see, here was alive to blame. It on his son, but are Jerry junior dash he's in trouble, partly as wipe, was having an affair with the poor boy, the poor boy- and you know, allegedly allegedly he would he would watch he says he did not have sex himself. With the with the poor boy he's in a bad jellicoe is not a snake handler, but he would allegedly watch from the corner of the room, so so at least social distancing was made,
tat if you were watching the republican convention. It was a great week if you love reality shows but hate reality. Why did you see the gipsy trouble speechless? I buy the inner term speech. There were three fact: checkers were taken into the concussion, The protocol I mean the people in the crowd, rejecting for more lies for more alive, but what we learned a lot from watching me convention, I did, I think what we learned is that from loves women and immigrants he's a humble but brutally honest patriot and he hates corruption, and he is built the greatest economy, since man began to walk erect and the proof of that is that the demand these days for coffins plywood, rocks bottles and replacement plate glass,
never been higher hears it. It's so bizarre that at the republican convention they just kept talking about. Rioting Loading and vandalism that you can expect under a democratic rule, except that's happening now under Trump. There are theme, is that all of the rioting and the violence we are seeing now wouldn't be happening. If somebody like Donald Trump was in the White House, this guy, some salesmen, you know cause and twenty sixteen it was like. I will end american carnage and in twenty twenty. It's like this one person who can stop what's happening under me.
And that's why we must do like Donald Trump, so we can ring rate of fire Merrick again again. Yes, some of these speakers that they headed the convention may painted a very ugly picture of this country. Kimberly girl go foil, you know, don't don juniors girlfriend jewish she's Democrats want to destroy the country and a maggots said that they gonna democratically to invite Amis thirteen to live next door. I wouldn't do that and the Mccluskey member that couple from Saint Louis they He said that the Democrats want to abolish the suburbs and who then Jerry followed Junior, said under the Democrats back to watch the poor boy
your wife, I mean as Democrats, yet Kimberly Gulf while boy did you see her speech, she was there on the rails. I work when they although she goes loud be in bed with that girl we'd like say why? Why why she, even speaking Is she speaking? Six and twelve key speakers at their above a convention were named Trump in a waste. A former presidents, an elder statesmen, speak at conventions. Now it's like dad we're be ok. If my girlfriend I spoke of the convention. Girlfriends, don't usually speak conventions, but I suppose it'll be all right.
Well, another week, another police shooting of unarmed black man and to protest this, which yes, we should and we need to the NBA and and baseball players lot of them. They they did not play this week and boy. This is gonna, get people's attention because riding is one thing, but forcing men to talk to their wives, we got a great shout: we have trained, Gaddi need a burly work. Well and letter will be speaking. I went in Marseilles, let's get it started around. My first guess is the former republican congressmen from South Carolina and author of doesn't hurt to ask using the power of questions to communicate, connect and persuade tray grab a gouty, a tray. Thank you for being with us, and I gotta say erratic congress. You look like ten years younger.
When I feel twenty years younger, so I'm sure you were watching the republican convention all week. Now you and the chief pro you're doing the Obama years watching everything the Democrats did. They went at a one out of bounds, legal wise anything bothering you they're like about using the White House, maybe for political purposes, the way he did Well, I mean people are welcome, took to judge the propriety of the legality of it. The legality of it had to act. I just have to trust Patsy Baloney, why how scale so that he ran all the traps I get it. It was unprecedented. I get it, it was unusual, My understanding of the Hatch ACT is you can lose? You want your free time. You certainly can't for someone to political to participate in the political process, but I didn't watch.
Much of it is, you may think I watch, but I would. I would need to ask pat How does the hashtag allow the following that you are not quite as charitable when the Democrat thrown off together? but meant that you're just like now, I gotta trust this guy. I think he knows what he's doing ok well we'll let that go. What about when Trump said a couple of weeks ago, The only way I lose as if it were rigged do what do you think about a thing like that for America, good bad thing
Well, I got a lot of weight uses bill, but I'll try really hard not to be a relative first amending that politics on a much more in tune with Canada, the prosecutor that existed for twenty years- I don't like it when Republican say that I don't like it when Democrats said that at the present would not trust the election results in twenty six saint. I did not like when Secretariat leaden weight gain advice to Joe Biden. Wait. No one, no one of either party has ever seen. Anything like that. No one has ever said. If the only way I lose if its rigged. That's what he's saying. I do not think this is a recipe for something we ve never had an America which is people not accepting the the results.
Well, I would say two things I would. I would want to know what you mean by rigged if it means I have a strong media headwind that I can't fight through that's one explanation, but your Secretary Clinton device to Joe Biden this week was was dont contest I mean, don't don't don't can see. So I made a Republican would view that comment in this. Will you are others my view, the President saying that the only way I lose as if its rig, I dont, believe the mean of all six out, the last seven popular votes for president and those were rig. So I dont believe that I do I think that there are some rhetoric on both sides that could be cleaned up. Ok, really, you're, not complete play out of politics. I got to tell you that so let's talk about your book for a minute or a couple minutes. It's your book and We are here to sell it, and I want to help you you say you left politics, because you didn't see any
please mind changed in eight years, like any any debate ethics committee hearing, nobody ever change their mind, which I find to be one of the most depressing but honest things. I probably read about politics in a very long time. Does that include you? Where are you part of that? one or did you ever change your mind? Now me, there were times that I didn't vote with the majority of the Republicans. There are times that I got a bad dating from heritage and one of the other scoring agencies. Offered an amendment together, I think to destroy that. Illustrates that the best I was sitting beside Destroy that illustrates that the best I was sitting beside Joey Kennedy on the floor, and he was giving me, which I will forever grateful to have both sides of the argument. Any polluted by saying, but I think in your district, you should vote this way. He's right. I mean the only way I could lose their primary and a republican primary and
away most members of the house can lose is- is a primary not in the general so Well, that's when our neighbours we well yes, when people ask me: what's the number one problem, I cite redistricting, not money, which may be a problem too, but Redistricting Jerry makes only purse in german environment. So that areas had procured a way of saying we are both parties do it. I mean, I think the republic exhibit a little more, but they both do it so that there are safe districts and so that you're right. The only way you could lose it is by someone who's, even more of a conservative than you and you're pretty conservative. My district, I was
I was criticised a lot for not being enough enough. Well, I know, and indeed your book you're talking a lot about bi partisanship and reaching across the I'll know, and you know you speaking in good faith. I gotta say when I was reading this, I'm thinkin you, the Benghazi, I think your prosecuted, Benghazi, for two and a half years on that same Benghazi, shouldn't have been looked into a course and ambassador was killed. We should look into that, but this bi partisanship it seems to come over people The second they leave office where wars that way You were in office. Well I mean you mentioned by the Gaza. The first hearing we had was praised by Dana Millbank at the at ease. Earlier conservative, the very first hearing we had. He wrote about the hundredth one, you have but we only had what three public hearings Bill
that's kind of my point is we had very few public here things always getting a lot of pressure from the right to have more public hearings, they're not conducive to real investigations. The executive branch investigations being done behind closed doors. Those are conducive, not congressional, Lastly, geishas we had two and then we had Secretary Clinton, but all Leon Panada everyone at Joe. Why I'm everyone else we did was behind closed doors. So do you think Trump in his time? His first term here has done anything that would rival Benghazi. As far as impropriety I mean I don't wanna play the. If Obama did it game, but you were the chief prosecutor of the democratic during the above. Make yourself, I'm gonna play with anybody in other jeopardy. Category would be things Craig Rowdy would be looking into. Anything in mind that comes to mind. A trump has done that might rise to that level.
I don't know that our is your shows alma. Let you frame, and how are you won't? I don't know that I was the chief prosecutor against President Obama, but less accept that that that's how long characterized there were, Americans killed in Africa and I think Democrats you had an opening if they wanted to to have multiple hearings on that there was an armed and armed forces event that did not turn out well so about, but impeachment amene impeachment consumed just to get what one republican jure to switch. His vote
Peace may consume the country for for how long, so I think both sides do it to the other and they will continue to do it and until there is a consequence for these quote investigations, but you would have to admit that Trump has done some things that you probably would have looked looked into. I made a small is like they broke the law, with security, clearances and and using unsecured phones, which was The big thing when Democrats do at the chinese spies walkin around Mara log out that no security there, he leaked israeli intelligence. He sided with Putin against our american intelligence agent. I am wondering if that was something you would have looked into. Do anything when the Russians put bounties on Our troops in Afghanistan are paid money to buy a hush, pointing to a born start, invited to Taliban to the White House or to the camp David on the anniversary of nine eleven, the hat Jack, the ammonia,
clause, none of these things, you think you would have looked in- do if it was the other side. Oh sure, it all started off our conversation by using the word relativism and they both sides doing date. They treat the other side differently from the way they treat their own side. That, if that's the charge, I plead guilty to that. Ok, so What does your prediction? What America looks like in November and December after the election? If Trump does not, when I mean it
If he doesn't work, I think we're gonna have what we ve always had hope I pray, which is a peaceful transfer of power. I really do that. I don't think there's any chance. The present it is going to stay in the White House after his term is up. I just I hear it. I just don't think that's going to have. It will have the peaceful transfer, a pile, I'm sure it was difficult for President Obama to hand the keys to present tromp, but he did, and I think it present tromp was not successful. He'll have to get used to job. I bet they're somewhat different types of people, but we will see a final, I didn't even very good standing up in my prosecution as a former prosecutor, you see so many people around the president who have been convicted of crimes. Man afford Flynn Cohen, Bannon, Stone Stone. Have you ever
I've ever as a prosecutor, seen so many people around a guy who were guilty of criminal activity and the guy in the centre was not a criminal himself. Bill as a prosecutor, I really didn't look at people. I look at fact pattern. So you take each man afford. Is there any evidence that the president was also in debt to Ukraine? Did what manifold did? Is there any evidence? The president was in Cahoots with Roger Stone when he came in and lied to Congress? Is there any evidence, the President of Michael Cohen, I think he was also charge with false statement, so allocate fact patterns. Don't think the present was well served in terms a who did the vetting for him when your lawyer is riding a kiss and tell, but that is not good vetting on your lawyer. You in there
We're here may say we need to go investigate this person criminally you investigate fact, patterns and whoever is involved in that. You prosecute ok, congressmen, your brave to do this interview I a fish. I did it rather than the congratulations of Vienna Congress will see you down there Thank your treasure. Like you I'll get us or our peril. She is a national political journalist and the author of the Trump women part of the deal which comes out September. Twenty second Nina Burly and he's got Vander the Lincoln Project and author of the New York Times best seller, running against the devil applied to save America from Trump and Democrats from themselves, Rick Wilson, thank you both for being here greater have you as our inaugural guests, back here in the studio first since March, it's it's empty its gloomy, but I'm glad you're. Here so we just finished watching the republican convention
today about the lying. And yes, of course, you know, my question no is was an effective. Was this and effective convention for the Republicans. Although I think that the commission was ineffective in a big fundamental way, which was the ratings where my work, Donald Trump Gonna lose his today. When you see Biden, Gander ratings that either there is an act out, because I also think it but in the basin avi bide was talking to moderate. Public and swing voters trying to invite people en Donald. Rob was doing what he always does, which is trying to narrow cast to White Non College voters and with all the scare tactics that are involved and that all the crazy.
Without the Antigua anarchists communist for coming to make you get Geisha, remarried you're the whole crazy talk yeah, I mean the ending with such terms ending last night. It was, I thought it was fairly effective. Talking and first of all, the people are there no masks. You know which is somewhat dangerous in this atmosphere, but also looks bold and just look. I mean if you're selling optimism, which is what Republicans have always been very good at selling and America is an issue at all. It's up to five and gets elected. It's gonna look like some of it does now. That was not a weird. I don T know when he started talking about. You know we're where we ve been the pioneers and where the, where were the rebels and where the people who don't cut down the toll
reason you go as high as you're. What I don't know if that's tough, doesn't sell, especially in a gloomy moment. I thought it might not. It was affected at that point. I thought the regular Jos were effective, but then again I dont know how many people watched it. You know how many people the people I mean you. You checked out the rags wreck. I dont know how many people watching as I watched it. I wondered how many people had their computer screens tuned into this, but the for me watching at the end the end was like watch super spread, arrogant in New York and, as you know it s here as he went on and on with his talk and they kept pandering to the oil. Hence mask listen, I'm in New York very unusual, a sea masterless people and it just if it was like
Well, it's a game show on epidemiology or something where you know super spread errors are, will will whose survival survivor covered or something with the game showed that the romanian and I dont. I don't know how many people are. I love to see the numbers on that when that, if that, when they start coming down with it, but you're right, it was, it was selling positivity it was.
You know that fireworks nice fireworks chinese, probably what are you awake or whether the also does exhort you also goes like Wilberfloss agreed Giuliani in the audience you write a demo for common early. I think it likely Wilbur wants is like looks like he's, was come sweet angel of death and take me into a well yes. Well, Wilbur is not a guy. You should go out without a math right now. What do you make of the attack on the the suburbs? I've never heard that tactic before their destroyed the suburbs. You know what gets destroyed suburbs grab grass I mean I grew up in the suburbs I feel like. I live in suburban kind of area. Now I love the suburbs. I've never was a person. I lived in New York twice, that's a great city, but I don't like living in a building like no.
The people are right on the other side of the wall. What how do you destroy the suburbs? Well, what I dont care- even I don't even know what they're talking about. Can you decipher that? Clearly, this is a I think, if you look at it from the very beginning of the pandemic, their stop there, Why did they handled it? Stepping back was real. The aim that chaos? bread riots in annex Lastly, what be alarmed has delivered to them, Now it is there that was their strategy to you here talking about suburban housewives, it's like a Larry, Flint hustler spread or something very someone. Current housewives, we gotta get those suburban housewives, frightened and all they need is video. They just need video, like the step that was going on in Washington, the other day of be kids in front of the rest.
Can I say that I have that piece of video people don't know its black lives matter, protesters all white that I saw who are progressing a spartan costume, their harassing this woman, whose eating wanting to make her raise her fist in solidarity with their cause, which I believe she was in solidarity with it's just that she was eating. I think she's, basically saying look, I'm eating plummet show the very Then we can talk about it yeah. This is counterproductive. Right. It's a block wildly so ochre bill is this. Election is a referendum on Donald Trump Donald Trump will lose. Joe Biden will win. This is a referendum on woke, should heads yelling at people in public, then it's,
to be a much harder race and that's a technical term of aren't, we use in politics woke should have read these people who believe that their that this war performative starts do something the Mona they voters, they doubt here's. The states that are in play this year was constant, Michigan, Ohio, The council they get. Those are not woke. States. Liberal Democrats in those states are basically moderate Republicans right. They don't love that stuff where they are not there, not crazy about that stuff right and I keep saying if a white people like that seem to be culture, the approach. Creating how how mad they are at racism from black people. You can't be matter at racism than black people themselves. Then it becomes about you white person. That's my take on that. They know. What do you think about the Karen phenomenon is this. This is part of that, where we have named this new group that we can then it's ok to go after it sort of a spread of.
From just originally was sort of racial thing. The woman in central park, and now our Karen just seems to be any white woman of a certain age. You don't like it. Region, aided arm you know among the in cells in, I would say it's a meme read it to something. Were some guy was bitching about his wife, Karen and then and then, and then it became the Karen's oh all, white middle aged women are all uncool white women and what's interesting about it. Is it was the meme ah I guess around January there were maybe hundred thousand hits on it and by the middle of the coverage? Let's say April or may there were three million? Half?
I just hear these people are really good. Black ups and black arts, the social media make platform using social media platforms, and I dont want to sound like a human on conspiracy theories, but I think that its two two separate off white women, humiliate and cow white middle aged women at a time when they just really need suburban housewives because they fled this. This president, sooner who, as a game show host would have lost his tv show because of his twenty four orca and counting near me, two things Wrote me just really need these white women and perfectly timing time jeez. Everybody is calling white middle aged women Sharon's and dissing now and they are the backbone of the trunk resistance. Mynors, there's there's research on how many white women are envelope stuffing in going door to door,
you know they hate Donald and they are the backbone of this resistance in southern their separating them off from the black black women in that its it? Yes, the left is diverse, and in these things he was very easy to two wedge in awe, and I know Rick has some thought on this because he, Sir there are a number of of care and on the right, but their carriage with a cue they merged q and on and terrorism and add some of them are the ones who go on these. Like hearings and We know that it in County commission hearing about like water quality. They start yelling about Cuba, nodded and child cannibal, pedophile rings and pizza restaurants there's a there is. It has become a week, sort of cultural Hallmark right now and it's also a secondary artifact of everybody's got a phone camera every everybody sees everything now social media spreads you're, crazy behaviour, its incentivize spread crazy behaviour, because its viral software dicks or Anna?
You know the ski church church where Where does rads yeah it they're they're, not acting? Maybe you can easily find many men acting badly but many times their armed, so maybe you're not getting up close to her gently. What the kids name and not enough Canosa road. While there is some, don't get up close to those guys with their with their weapons, well, Urim, but nothing scarcely more than that. But there are people on the street from both sides now with guns, because we are the gun country on you're allowed to carry guns and the combination of people in the streets who have guns who hate each other. Who think if the
beside wins? It is the end of the world. When is there going to be a Lexington Concord moment and we're going to see a pitched battle in the street? I'm talking about a gun battle between american citizens. That to me, is the most frightening prospect on the horizon. Each area chaos is chaos. Is the friend of the people that we want to see this country go down in flames, that kind of chaos that kind of ratcheting of attention there's a lot of similarities now between the weight that the kids Rocca were were radicalized for ISIS. There told things like unless view taken action against these bad guys. Then our culture will be destroyed, you're. What your your family! to be killed it's all over and these kids like this guy, Can ocean are hearing unless you take actually gets Antigua you're going to be your family
destroyed, the suburbs we burned to the ground. You know it's gonna be nothing, but MS thirteen and and all the terrorists are coming to kill. You said their hearing, the same kind of radicalization language, the iterate across it in in the Middle EAST in Africa and other places where these young kids, who are vulnerable, are convinced that their actions, are justified and that their and that their liberated from rules about not shooting people but not, but as someone who is certainly run campaigns and seen report I can run on law and order and win and studied historically campaigns that have been won on that issue. That seems to be what Trump is running: he's the law and order candidate and The Democrats facing that right they seem to be hesitant, in some ways, for example, to condemn the looting theirs.
Because I understand what causes people to have the rage that would make them load. Although I don't know why looting is always associated with the rage, I mean, sometimes they just they're just taking shit and and it's not if people you would even think we need this yet. What what did the Democrats doing right or doing wrong in facing me law and order candidate? Will they needed to stop down, is defined? The police think the millisecond it started and they were slow and Joe Biden has now got my head of it a little bit, but they were slow off the mark on that. That was a trap set by the trunk campaign and by Fox for them at the end, once the progressives took off with it, I could have told you right away the group that hates that message, the most or Looking Americans they re, they need legitimate policing in their communities. This isn't something that they take lightly was one of those areas where, as I said, that
because the same Democrats from themselves, they dont to follow the lead of every single progressive, bad idea that comes down the pike, that was a spectacularly bad thematic idea. Then the only thing that sort of suppressed it from doing more damage was the enormous fuck up on covered on transport, as things just kept, building up a building up in building up a kind of stepped on that message, the binding campaign is now. I had a bad, I would say, but then to be consistent, that you don't worry to enforce the law. We don't want criminality on the streets, we don't into the White House. We gotta go across the spectrum on this, so so I was watching his speech last night and, firstly, he seemed Loki. Here like sleepy down. I was very surprised about that. I wasn't surprised muscle, leaning on the balcony standing next to a veto, peronne that I you know I was waiting for that to happen in America
I was surprised at how how slow he was with the reading, but I was, of course, look as a comedian. I know I've done outdoor shows its the worst Indians. What we want is we want a rathskellers, because the labs bounce off the walls, and it sounds great when you're outside, whatever noise people are making in the credit cut it dissipates. So it didn't. You know that was it tough gig, but I was noticing what got the biggest applause. I think the biggest applause wouldn't when he said free speech on campus judges, a crowd went nuts when he said we need free speech on campus. What do you make of that Nina? That's part of his people
The people are responding to this. You know the imperfect equipoise to the armed young groomed men wreck has just talked about. Are the you know? The woke me college educated. Your call Edam private school, educated kids who been who you saw in Washington the other day rampaging, who have been really and told the check their way privilege from an early age and it's part of their education, it's part of their it spit. You, I've seen it and that's what they that's, how they think and that their side of the that's their side of the story. There there that there, the the analogue for the armed men witches you know, they're like lambs, to the slaughter and any they're the ones who are running the council, culture they're, the ones who are silencing
just sent among their own there in that there is one thing that the right has right and then there is a problem on the campus so, but I thought I actually thought that there was a loud applies to the other the judges. I know, I know that he did, they did respond well to the YAP. But this each to me was in our data there saying Its plagiarized was plagiarize from the first speech. There sit there so many similarities. It was illegally written speech. Our slogan it made no answer interests there were there were point, so I dont get ideas again. I just felt I wonder how many people are even listening to this speech there. Maybe they tuned in for the fireworks, but yet I think they don't care they dont themselves doesn't matter to prevent war. Is These people are under one of the things in the speech were just then they go through a checklist now
you call the Cultural Alamo, where they're playing to the insecurities of the trunk and the insecurity that Republicans have built up in their own political silo, so foxes always telling people they're gonna, cancel Christmas, they're gonna, take away your guns, take away your village and what you do this in this at this, and so he was going through that check was, and yes, the speech was a hot mass. It was written by three or four people speechwriter. You could see the consistency on the tonality of it, it was all over the board. Delivery. As you said, it was. It was low energy too, to use a phrase that Donald familiar with it was dull. He was but what they get me was leaning against the podium like a drunk on a white poached here and you're. Just not a good speech was that it was a tough. Then you know to work by ok, final question: I was mentioned in the model Jerry Farwell. You know no one hates to give religion a black eye more than I do so, I'm not gonna glowed, but yeah I mean
Gary Folwell Junior, the wife was having an affair and allegedly with the poor boy. I think that would duds known, allegedly Jerry, Follow Junior was watching. We heard this with Roger Stone used to like to have the wife with certain people in and then watch and and poor man effort. We also heard the same thing: what is it with Republicans and coupled I notice the funny Mocha talk, a conservative poker rock rib conservative and it changed loses out about why black king? Why why why one? Oh, I don't get that you want to watch another man with your lady. Was it like this? This is something that I find richly ironic because the greatest
insult in the twenty sixteen election had since then the trumpeters use against any was never trot personal repose. The trunk is to call them a cock. Last time I checked, these guys are the ones who are racking up the points. The reverend cook. Well, this is the latest example of this thing, but these guys whatever it is in their heads about be about that particular form of humiliation. I'm not gonna, kick shame them, but I am going to picture, but because they are so fucking hypocritical about it that you have they're the ones who are like. Lose their. My about gave everyone everything else, and yet there is very far while watching his wife get written like like a carnival ride by your point. While allegedly we don't know what happens right. Thank you both very much. I appreciate you, hoping as your able nude new deal
today here in the studio citizen, thanks, ok! Well, as I mentioned in the monologue, Deb Poor, Jerry, Farewell Junior, you know I feel for any guy who so wife, as you know, been stamping out on a limb and apparently that that's what happened was she was doing it with the poor boy I mean it happens. Pool boys are very exact. Say they got that thing that they put in the pool and everything- and you know what was he watching? We don't know about that. Allegedly he was watching, but we thought it would just be a good time to do twenty four things. Whenever two or more are gathered in my bed. I'm a good tennis player, but almost any one can look. My wife can read that two ways I feel Well, I call the father, the sun and the Holy goes. The holy throttle, my boy, I believe the Lord is present whenever two or more are gathered in my bed, I'm a good tenants.
Urban. Almost anyone can, like my wife, can read the two ways. I feel the only thing I can convince my poor who has stopped working in the driveway My favorite food is sloppy seconds. My what my wife's nickname from my penises plan B. There's a sign in my bedroom. This is no cut off around a pool. You get my book, we're sticker says. If this vans are rocking, it's probably my wife, fucking, the poor boy, this forego funny thing is we don't even have a bull. All right. Here's a ninety I'm Grammy Award Winter and the First Pulitzer Prize Winning jazz musician is new, album the ever funky low down its available now and all digital music platforms. My honour to introduce, went in Marseilles Winton
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they rest right. Everything is, is in teams. Democratic, republican and red state in Blue stayed in black and white, and you seem to be pushing back against that and I find that very refreshing and in this atmosphere, do you wanna tell me a little bit about your face is about making that album Giovanni weeping hustled thinking if every decade It's eighties, I've written a peace that deals with America, our our social life, themes of class race, politics civics in general, and I have been driving across just got, I'm afraid the flies by DR everyone. I know people in all the states in a good spirit anonymously
people all over, and this piece is entitled the ever foggy low down and it provides a blueprint to show us how to rise above populist propaganda on either side in the hustle and encourages all of us to have a much deeper level of common, on occasion and engagement with our largest possible community is really. The only thing is going to save us is a collective, creative, And other music satirizes the things that divide us action and it encourages us to see an ironic detail. How foolish about this stuff is in an enforced to inspect very closely what is going on in their fight for the world that we all can envision created with and not against others yeah. I completely concur with that message to difficult message.
The crust nowadays, because people are on their teams and they don't want to hear anything different when I criticized the left, even though I am a liberal, I hear it a lot like. Why are you saying that we're perfect their evil and an eye feeling? That's not gonna get us anywhere, because that's not the way the world is that's not the world the way the world will ever be. I know you sign the Harpers letter, which was a letter and harbour magazine a couple of months ago was organised by Thomas Chatterton aims and it was signed by a hundred and fifty very impressive people, mostly almost all of them liberals who were basically pushing back against cancer cold. And saying we failed stifled. We do not want to walk on eggshells anymore. We want to be go to speak freely, think out loud and not have to suffer repercussions. You are one of the seiners, and I applaud you for doing so. Why didn't understand all about
who signed it. I didn't want to send a bright actually sandy, because there were some some awesome. Black conservatives on on, on the letter and I've just what did you we should all speak to each other, but then it was a it'll cost. College and all these things are bizarre form of imitating other elite forms of oppression. Is my blacklist Mccarthyism Salem, withdraw so on people who live there comes a certain type of oppression tend to create that same victimization when they get the chance. Get some agency. Is, it is not. Uncommon, is different forms of attempting to keep quiet, When I was one of my mama, whenever she really didn't wanna hear what you was there, he was a boy. Why are you talking about? We are talking about it and I want to say is: did you shouldn't be saying anything though the public space, now it is in a people, trolling people be paid to be on the internet people dedicated to shut and everybody up, and what we actually need is a deeper dialogue.
Dialogue and he has jazz musician. That is our you know. We have a ours, is the art of listening and of creation. So is, and we have a certain type of live and let live culture. I believe that all the great musicians are play Que dizzy. You can name now and ask them anything that deal with teaching have to learn how to listen. Listen, it's skill! It did. You always do and work on an improvisation, conversation. Improvisation, just letting conversation happened. I think, is something that we are greatly lacking and also, I think people talk about. Well, we have to reach a crust. Yes, we do. We haven't Republicans have to talk to Democrats and Democrats and Republicans, but also wouldn't you agree, We need more more dialogue within our own groups with In the group within the left, within the right talk to each other, and if you don't agree that
ok too. Well, you know, groups tend to be like gangs and you again you win us. Are you? Are you yet faced us rational, desolate? The ever ever low down is about a normal again with gangs. What they do is you have to commit a crime against. Someone was innocent enough that binds you, and you know this is actually the time to speak. Against the. What have we been doing is not their work so, instead of us having a vigil file country instead of was heavy things. If we actually work amounted a constructive, you know we're busy. We busy at the Oregon and fighting with each other in China. Now you know, of course, stuff like police violence is a prime example will be talking about. The Supreme Court in June, the didn't wanna seeds night case for seven or whatever was dealing with without with qualified immunity. Does
that would have changed. The state of things were just interested at the country when everybody's interest me talking about it obviously has a tremendous problem that, when, under the radio, nobody said anything about the high court in Ireland, inside. So you start to get a kind of ETA reason and we think They don't have leadership which in this morning, We don't really need a centralized leadership in the strange Dunaway effectively at decentralized, is helping us survive not becoming like any other place. This a despotic I saw you, you do ever come back in a full, but but you know this, this does not just be a whole the last time, a majority of three hundred million people needed Awesome police for some I've been up and down the country. Have they begin to get four hundred people who in Chicago and they represent millions? people in the end is not, and speaking of something of the right is trying to use in a campaign. Rigid makes already used this tactic
Well, you know Willie Hoddan. These things work is supported every point in order you notice what MR gas is. You have died in a fire, some other and then create a problem with them this far beyond what the problem is. Indeed, you got to defend yourself. Remember Caesar with wood because that would not to Togo wearing girls, but there's some girls all will be here. We ve got to go attack these people, young woman, stand what they do. They eat their babies. They do that. What don't stop here, so you know you're gonna be in your house next week. Last animals people went out gonna pick on the poorest. Most disenfranchised people are most under attack and they're gonna be the enemy of the United States of America. A man is in his up. You know the question for the four this election is gonna, be. Will the large group of white voters there? Did you ve been
many of you laid down through these issues, with the figure of race and white supremacy, reinforced by white and black, and whether a Hollywood in the jungle media can make an opera products to sail to you making. You believed to stop what is that right body of people who never own plantations, hoop important intellectual, been struggling in this country to getting it. What do you got finally, wake up and realise their money and power is the issue and that the people who continue to be directed to attack have neither of the two and they don't have any. They don't have the ability to actually do anything you The focus should gaze was actually exploiting and manipulate you enough. People exist on both sides of the coin. Focus on that you know is not public, people with no agency in the culture. We have to remember, you know. Racial discriminate It has always go hand in hand with labour and collects, and no this web lightly
and a large number white voters have a common cause. Remember most lynchings we're not because a black person looked away woman list, it was because somebody request affair wage. That's the truth of what of the of with the numbers. I tell you about. It so you know till the traditionally exploited mass of White Americans, the ever foggy says, keep your eyes on the cash register and don't look at the people stage in a fight in the store And then we won't be all right if we cannot manage to get a very powerful coalition of those in whose interest it is to see new ideas about what our country has come to the fore. I am so glad I got you talk about that, because that was this amazing to hear and more like that, on the album I recommended highly. I thank you for doing this in order to speak to you, thank you and I hope to see you
and I M Sunday in Person year and inconvenient- we ok! Thank you can't we thank you, but we are not a promise already lead our time for new rules back in the studio, still not audience no audience somehow. You can sit on a plane with people, but we can't do it here. No rules after Kimberly Gulf Oil speech of the republican convention. This week Later My dream well, yeah report begins, can never again bring up the Howard Dean thing like that. Right, although to all those
Democrats who watched Kimberly and thought how could Gavin Newsome ever have married this crazy person welcome on who among us doesn't like screamer. Neural, if your job is to show off these softer side of the Trump lighthouse than maybe deliver your speech dressed like ill. So she Wolf of the S s it's it's vintage Hugo boss from nineteen thirty six. This look doesn't say message I care it says, checked the attic neurosis to create a porn site called Crozier Fox where the cattle These are what famous event leaders and conservative Republicans or into such oh humiliation, by a gay hooker. Well, then, TED Haggard, that's the one for you as an m click, Jimmy swaggered Andrew Incest, click judge, Duggar and of watching your wife.
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And finally, neural democracy isn't a spectator sport and of trumps going to try to scuttle the post office. We need to fight back a statement of the ways I always imagined. Donald Trump would try to steal. The election fucking with the male never occurred to me, but I didn't think he could take the money Congo, gave the Pentagon and re directed to the wall, and he did that I sure wasted allotted time and civic class with those note guards. Since April, the president has launched two front campaign against the postal service, first undermining trust in mail in voting by calling it corrupt, so letter he can challenge any resulting doesn't like, and then by undermining the postal service itself a lemon, Running overtime, firing leadership, reducing sorting machines so that
when the surge of mail and ballot starts coming in in October, the postal service will be to God it and strapped to handle it and ballots won't get counted. He wants it to fail. It has to fail for his scheme to work. It's like a postal version of the produce. And there's all sorts of anecdotal evidence. Now that this system is starting to crack people not getting their male getting very late! Last week I gotta mission. Rolling stone with Bob Singer on the cover. There's a never ending well of creativity and the right to keep people from voting, and this is the latest dirty trick. Maybe there is something we can do to fight back. If tromp was going to reduce male processors It is in our power to give them less mail to process in
recent absentee voting begins in two weeks on September fourteenth and Pennsylvania two weeks. So I say you have two weeks to use the postal service or everything you normally do and after that hashtag free up the mail. Given essentials like receiving paychecks, prescription drugs and, of course, the Victoria Secret Catalogue. Dont there's the mail for anything but ballots until the election is over. You know how we pull over for fire trucks. It's time we do the equivalent for male trucks. Let this be our October surprise for Trump, So that means get all your Amazon crap. Now all this shit You don't really need candles and fuckin driftwood art elbow moisture, guys you're get it all out of your system now and then lay off the add two card button for a month. Same thing with the rest of the male letters.
I guess: there's a certain charm to an old school letter written out in cursive, but go back to charming after the election is not essential blessed Person has sent a letter that mattered was the Zodiac Killer dinner with the humorous yet vaguely insulting birthday car but you send your aunt every October, getting older like driving a classic car, the rear end sanction the fluids leak yeah. I will say that over the phone this year get collar up and say and gertrude- are now like a car, you're rearing sags, and your fluids leak. I'm sorry to hear that over the phone. But I may have just saved democracy. I'm sorry, but we need to give our besieged and intrepid postal workers the time and space they mean to deliver nothing but ballots so pretty, the month club cancel it wanted the month club get
gun, something else say: monkeys, ransom, notes, know everything there's no paying your bills by male good time. Join the new century, no save the date cards no get well cards postcards! Please, please! We have instagram now you're, embarrassing yourself. If you're still sending postcard so watching a movie on Netflix in twenty twenty and then trying to send it back. If you want to use, toys by male sorry, get your ass out to the poor store and by your disgusting devices and jellies in person, and, of course, mostly would free up the man would be getting rid of this shit capital one. I dont know what
your politics are, but somewhere in your evil bankers hearts. You must think we should all at least get the chance to vote so next month. Don't send me an application. We can throw it in the trash. For me all the businesses that fill up our mailboxes every day really take a little break bed bath and be and took a shark, does the mail me a coupon every week or dies those postcards that look like from someone. You know what are just real estate agents Ragging, hey, I guess all this shit box for one point, two out letters with pennies taped to them to give me into charity the circular from the gross restore work. We have hot dogs, Pierre. We know As for ninety nine dollar Lasik, I surgery was ninety nine dollars to fix my eyes. I don't want you touching my face and here's something no one has ever said: hey gather
everyone. The latest penny saver is here: if the Post office wasn't so overwhelmed with the mountains of hot garbage that flow through every we might stand a chance of foiling the fat man's plans. I don't want to lose this election because of the mail. This is some thing we can do. Ok, that's our show My guess tray Gouty mean a burly Rick, Wilson and wooden Marseilles we're off next week and back on the eleventh of September goodnight folks? I told new episode of real time with Bill Maher every Friday night at ten or watching any time on HBO on demand for more information log on to HBO dot com.
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