Bill’s guests are Fareed Zakaria, John Leguizamo, Noah Rothman and John Avlon. (Originally aired 10/16/20)
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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the HBO real time with real time start the clock. Thank you, okay. Thank you. Thank you very much for thank you Papa. I appreciate it braving all the protocols, the mass the separate. Thank you so much for doing all this bullshit I mean necessary bullshit.
Jeez. I was disappointed. It's supposed to be a debate last night right and then you know, Trump got Covid and, and they said you have to do it on zoom. He said I'm not doing that, so they had good grandpa and bed. Grandpa I had dueling town halls, I had a flashback to the seventies. When the only choice on TV was Barnaby Jones or Matlock. You know. Did you see the trumpet on NBC Joe was on ABC I was on. Thc is the only way I could get through this and, of course, the Democrats. You know they always fuck up the optics. Oh shit. As I say, as I fall off the fucked up, the optic completely, these morons fix shit, but Biden's questioners were
so he was always looking up. You know and the squinting Clint Eastwood trotted decided angel light bulb, but the Trump one was just amazing. Trump defended retweeting this crazy conspiracy theory. Did you see this about how Bin Laden wasn't? we killed by a bomb like as a grocer. Violent Emmett could do anything good. So you didn't even do that. It was a body double and then a bomb. I have seen team sex murdered to cover it up. Trumps would defended this then, which led to an undecided voter from Bridgeport Kinetic to ask a follow up question. Are you on bath soul? This moderators Obama got three. This was great. Jackie, said the president nonsense ones: crazy. Uncle
Apparently she has not read the book by trumps. Niece called Michael Is he uncle? I mean, is actually a book about my gravely. I know it's getting so crazy. The October surprise that the term people have now have you seen this. Its hunter bindings laptop Joe Biden near, do well Son Hunter, was this laptop, which apparently had incriminating evidence with maybe stuff about influence peddling on it that was contained in his emails. and apparently in according to this hunter, was trading on his name selling access to his father, accepting money for nothing but Don Junior calls living the dream and the part that get almost wearily about this. How do we know
about these emails? I well, apparently Don Junior not done hunter took his computer. Which wasn't working to a computer repair shop as we all do in twenty twenty doing. Ok, maybe I don't know the computer and left it there and forgot about it because says: do Giuliani. I even get into how he's in this because he was drunk and the computer repair, Man is blind, I'm not making that part of the story. No, I swear to God it's in the paper legally blind, so how the blind man knew Hunter was drunk how you, how you repair a computer if you're blind- I don't know about that either, but in the process of repairing hunters computer blindly, he wrote again, don't ask
hunters emails and turned it over the F B. I what is that how you fix a laptop nowadays, you read somebody's emails, it take the plumber saying well the problem, their pipes. Is you have ok in your underwear drawer and also on again this week, embedded it this hunters computer, a picture of him passed out with a hooker and a crack pipe in his mouth. So many questions of all. How do we know it was a hooker could have just been a crack enthusiast whose legs got caught in a fishing net.
Also who passes out on crack is my other big question. I always thought that heroin yes, but crack. I thought that was more of an up drug, but you know I'm so anyway, amid all this, the hearings and we're going on with the Supreme Court with Amy Coney bear it and be seen heard this week. Oh my god, all these hearings with the same that they're all the same, you have a brilliant league mind. Can I ask your thoughts on a legal question? No urine. and you know I did collar or not of weeks ago and the Trump Administration put it in ad. They were very mad, but come on I'm going to talk about her at the end of the show, but I gotta say this part. She was in this cult catholic church
called the difficult, and I read this week. They thought large bell. Buckles were sin, because they draw attention to the crotch we'll go on on the Supreme Court, because you know what else draws attention to the crotch Clarence Thomas going look at my crotch, but trump? They think this is helping them with the Supreme Court. I don't know Trump is bleeding support with suburban women. He was begging them. This is not a paraphrase. This is what Trump said word for word the other day in Pennsylvania, suburban women. Will you please, like me
desperate husbands, buddy! I can change we'll, take a trip. These energies rallies by playing. Why I'm see I'm not kidding a gay and them hooking up at the gay This tells me two things: Trump doesn't know what this song is about, and
Ms Graham is in charge of the music. That's what this tells and it's not just among women he's losing among all white voters. This is becoming a very unpopular ticket of flies have stopped landing on MIKE Pence. They asked come about that this week. She said she did notice during the debate that the fly landed on him, but she said it was very confusing because during debate prep, they told her if you want to make MIKE Pence nervous.
There. It is flat. I got a great show that John ABLE and Noah Rothman and a little later I'll, be speaking with the very talented, John Leguizamo, but first up he is the host of CNN to read. Zakaria, gps and author of the new book ten lessons for a Postpandemic world to read: Zakaria is over here I was so tempted by habit to lunge at you this man from India. This is a perfectly nice substance, so I read your book and one big gobble. It's great great, read, quick, read so like right out of the days headlines amid it's about the pandemic, very gutsy, to write a book before the thing is over right. They call it proposed pandemic world well yeah, because we see in Europe its Endemic coming back in the
This thing is far from over the world but that that your someone's gonna happen at a big like, oh boy, I should awaited well. I think I know, live. I think I've got it about right in the sense of what I am talking about. Is we now understand this unit, these problems in a way that we didn't? because this is not going to be the last pandemic and and one of the I talk about in the book is this should be a wake up, call to realise we ve been living in a way that is very risky. You know if you think about the way in which we're spewing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and eating the way we the the do. I talk about the factory farms. Will family farms are essentially a petri dish for the next pandemic? You're just going to create larger and larger, more powerful viruses? The way we subsidize people who live at the edges of forests? So you know so I feel as though we ve got. You know anything
are driving the fastest race guy in the world and we're like who needs seatbelts who needs insurance, but the What you're really saying is we need to learn. I know where the learn species. Really I mean my question to you is: do I say this because it sounds opossums, but I dont think one is gonna. Do it another word one pandemic, I dont think we're gonna change after one. I think you are the work which going. take more than one because people just gonna go. Oh, that was a fluke. Thank God. Twenty twenties, over we're back to normal, I dont see less cheeseburgers being eaten. Take a look at what has happened, station. We are really these other countries that have handled a pandemic. The best South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong,
Taiwan more than any, also the thinnest well, but so part of it is yes, they don't have the dead, the obesity problem, which is that your absolutely right a kind of disease multiplier, but they all went through Sars and mergers and they did battling many of them Taiwan. we had to handle it not so well, it was a worse and that logic and they learn from it and they revamp public health systems. They did, they moved only and aggressively. They figured out how to do contact tracing either. So you can learn now. Here's the The tragedy Taiwanese handle this better than anyone else and, by my view, twenty four million people in the country. Seven debts to give your sends New York state, twenty million people. Thirty four thousand debts. Now what the Taiwanese did was they used they never lockdown bill. They. It was smart contact, racing testing. You know it occasionally very selective closures, but they use good technology
phones, but they usually well. All this stuff was invented in America. The technology was invented in America. The software was invented in Amerika, the guy running that Taiwan response was educated at Johns Hopkins, so they ve taken our secrets us and we are watching while they getting it right and we but if I'm doing again I agree with all that, but you're mentioning one half of the equation. In my view, the external part there's the internal part, your immune system, I fighting internally, because viruses are everywhere and you can avoid them and externally you need to do both. They were successful. because of both because their healthier internally and what I object so much about what this country did. Yes, Trump of course fucked it up. We expect that, but sat the people. The people like doktor, foul g in those those folks who, with the medical, is that they never once had the courage to ask the people to get themselves.
In better health, as the best way to ensure that they are cowards, they are cowards able not ask for that little bit of sacrifice. I agree with you, but I'll tell you one part of the problem. Is we have a health care system that is so broken and it is particularly broken? for poor people, because I saw a really interesting study, which pointed out that you know we. Germans were lot healthier than american and even though germans are very rich and them they they have died. That is not completely ideal. The big difference was in Germany. Your annual visit to the doktor is free it because you know it's been its universal health care and I urge you annual visit to the doktor. The doktor always tells you four or five things like don't smoke, don't be overweight exercise, but you see about on when you drive those just those constant reminder:
I actually play an incredibly large role in your ultimate health outcomes, but we don't. We have lots of millions and millions of people who don't go to the doctor because they can't the Ford don't have access to good food. I mean that has to be part of the solution and the other thing is about America. I hate to say this too, but it's true when you're look at how other countries sometimes were successful and they really think about America? We can't we just not that bright. We're lazy Can I treasury low video watching the baseball game, the other this is what no I'm glad the sports is back. It's been a real lifesaver. First, there was none now they're all on at once. It's pretty amazing the other day you could watch basketball, baseball and football all. At the same time, it was a husband's dream.
this is what they do after the game they used to. Do this all the time and others still do, is look at this their shaking hands. They form two lines and they slap hands with every single person. You could design a system to make sure that every person got every other persons germs, that's not entering into the game. We don't need to do that. I just feel America can't be Sweden, we're just not that good anymore. I mean, I still think it's puzzling, isn't that I mean, as I said, we're the country that invented the internet We have the event in the Amazon that was thorough people, smart, happy, lapdog about arrested and by the way, most of them emigrants Riah, but but but look at you, I mean you ve set up exactly. How do you make sure that we can open up economy? Look at the show like I had to get tested well, I got on the player on here. I have to get tested before I got in the industry I'm everyone in in the audience that that
HANS. Where a mask you still have social distancing. If you You do sensible things you can get back to normal, the vice president of Taiwan. This guy who ran it said to me a lockdown. Is already an admission that you have failed? What you are trying to do because They had to isolate and quarantine. Two hundred fifty thousand people, in other words one percent of the population in his point, was for fourteen days we inconvenienced one percent of the population, so the other. Ninety nine percent could continue businesses. As you know, I mean what we're doing here. I am so appreciative of and that you would go through this and you would go through this. I'm happy to do whatever I have to do. I just don't see it happening on a massive scale, just bar in the in the video you showed up, because it reminds you part of the problem, as we have this american exceptional idea that we are the best in your showing a baseball read this. the game where basically those
one or two other country teams from outside America in the world? And we call it the world Series to me? That's a metaphor right It's the worst series when it's, basically the? U S in Canada, yeah but bars. I really feel like bars, is a big part of it and look I'm a guy who loves bars. I've spent a lot of time in bars. I hate to speak against bars, but I feel like that once you get a little drunk the mask, some of you forget about, I feel like that's. A big part of the solution is just restaurants. Yes, we could do this. I could be doing my stand up act. People could be performing, that's ridiculous. I can be on a plane. I think you could be in a theater but
The bars where there's dragging it Bob, I think, that's just a recipe to fuck the whole thing up. Part buys and get you absolutely via. The toughest churches are also tough, and I am sure that that pains deeply right. I leave it there very badly so much great book, please get it through. Car everybody all right. Let's meet our panel. I don't want to get anywhere near you guys. Okay, he's a CNN goddamn. Now they put these in a group so that we make sure not to get too close, and then it always falls out the fucking thing. I He is a CNN political analyst and author of Washington State, well, the founding fathers warning to
our generations, John Athlon. Okay, thank you. Andy is the assessed and editor of Commentary magazine and author of unjust social justice on the unmaking of America. Noah Rothman, Noah, hey guys, all guys today, all right. So I want to talk about the court, because I've been watching Amy all week and it's very depressing. She doesn't know about global warming. She doesn't know about. Maybe we could re criminalize homosexuality. We got to do something about how we picked the court. This Adam shift was here last week and I was asking him about: doesn't the constitution need a page? One rewrite which is a tough
so because you know a lot of people, think Jesus brought it personally to the founding fathers, but the Democrats are talking about packing the court terrible messaging, but I think they should and by the way we can it's not that hard. You know it you just It's not written down. I was saying that last night drew you know, trunks everything by war wasn't written down. We should do that. It's not written down, we could add three justices and I think Biden should do it. And then have the just then be sixty six and then have those six six decide another three have a court of fifteen! You got to do something to even the score, because the thing is it's rigged. Look I mean Republicans. Republicans have invited retaliation because of the unforgivable hypocrisy of blocking Merick Gard and then applying a different standard. But that said, we got to have a democracy.
Movement in this country that goes way beyond election day, we got to strengthen a lot of the institutions that Donald Trump is run roughshod over as they were unwritten, democratic norms and and and look I'm fine with talking about term limits for Supreme Court. Just Stephen calibration endorse that are one of the founders of the Federalist society binds not actually is in its institutional, sunlight we're gonna. He doesn't actually want to pack the court. You can hear that really saying in the lot. We don't know that, but but before an election, we I have so many reforms does are unfair Camaro, after this experience and we got a really. Why is this one of them, but I think it s. I think we need that we need to take on corruption in the executive. We gotta restraint of presidents ability to prove to pardon. We gotta get have more election of regular range. We have appointment by fluke, whoever does
yes, while you're president, you know Reagan and Nixon got four appointments. Each Carter got none whose yeah you know this trump gets. Three it's the there were democratic plan was Ruth Bader Ginsburg doesn't die. That was their plan. Well, yeah no, she was approached in a broke upon this term and she actually, I believe it was our post where she said. Who would you want to see on the court? Then me? Well, this is what you get. You want to strengthen institutions, you don't change them every cycle, which is precisely what will happen in the event that they wanted to pursue this core packing plan, and I welcome the opportunity for them to do so, because it would require blowing up the Senate and swallowing up Joe Biden entire term, sacrificing just about every other incremental but achievable progressive reform. You could get in the interim, so go ahead.
and give that one a shot, because I think it's an empty threat, but it's better than the messaging that they're getting around hypocrisy, hypocrisy. The Republicans were hypocritical in two thousand and sixteen eventing a standard for themselves that they then violated yeah, that's true, and if hypocrisy wasn't the water that politicians swim in it would hit harder. yeah, but you know, but hypocrisy used to be the unforgivable sin in politics and then Donald Trump normalized. It made it table stakes right, and this is what's so discussed, boat's going down right now we have normalized lying, normalized hypocrisy. We have normalize the idea that we that that might makes right and in that invites a powerful response. What we got to do is find a way to reconcile a nation without getting rolled when it comes to negotiating with people. Whoever recently are motivated. Look Donald Trump has shown that fear and greed, It is still a powerful motivator for people, even in the. U S and those folks rolled over four and abandoned so many the principles they said they want supported and
so we got to learn. We got to really strengthen our civic backbone to get out, but as a practical matter, wouldn't it be better to have. Justice is appointment to an eighteen year term yeah. So, every two years, a president gets to pick so you don't do it that way, so draft a constitutional amendment. Seven Congress submit so the states decided an amendment. I think it requires a constitutional amendment to workers. I I states. Don't you can add states, it's not that hard. All you got to do is that to yeah, but there is a reason why we have only ever done that on balance, even in the Anti Bellum period, there was a balance associated with that states that he wished corrupt. Then the attitude to codify the eye this stone. In my shoe, I bring it up all the time. They must hate me and then decoders would I don't care. There should not be too decoders what look The problem we're getting and its structural again is that you're going to have the? U S. Senate, have fifty members or thirty percent.
population is, can be represented by a majority. The senators that's not sustainable and It's one of the many reasons that we're going to need to get. You can't have Republicans winning the popular vote, one time of the last seven and a porting four out of the last six judges. It's what's happened, but people are going to start faith of democracy and that's exactly what we need to stop. We need to increase faith of democracy because we got a whole bunch of folks overseas, the one to talk about it was Columbus day. They ripped down the statue of Lincoln in Portland. I gotta give us shudder to fret artisan when he did Portland. You have got it right for Portland. I do I love is love play in Portland but I guess I missed a lot. That's going on in Portland the mayor there, TED Wheeler is about to lose to someone who's and Antifa and Lincoln. I mean
He was pretty woke for his day. I mean look, I'm finishing a book on Lincoln right now, so I take this personally, what I'm finishing a book on Lincoln right now. So I take this personally, but if you can't figure out the difference between tearing down a statute general in general, you Lincoln probably sit that one out I that this is one way to cutting their campaign out for Donald Trump. All these cats there's this kind of comic classroom is what we were afraid of win. The movement started targeting people like confederate figures, who were odious and worthy of being torn down, as there was no deliberative process at work. Here is purely mob justice and it will get worse because there's no limiting principle and now we're seeing that on display people like TAT Wheeler in Portland and Jenny Darker in Seattle had been terribly permissive with this organization with these groups with this, this is the oligarchy, but the conservative movement doesn't have a champion to attack it. Republicans do not have a champion to say this is not what
you should do. We should be imposing what the presidency has law and order. People dont perceive Donald Trump as the law and order candidates. They see him as an agent of chaos, but generally so conservatives, people like me, are very frustrated that we do not have an effective champion to say this is wrong and we should be doing. That is an end to perspective. Your Christopher Ray our FBI, director pissed off Trump recently because he testified Ex treated him. He said the biggest chunk of that are individuals. Most divided by some some form of white supremists ideology. In the words most of it is coming from the right. He They are responsible for the most level lethal activity in the last four years, but then he did. He said as a point of clarification this year, the leaf, attacks, we've seen have seen been from from anti government or anti authority types. So
Think what he's saying is yeah the white supremacist are still the biggest problem, but now we've got this other group, the anarchists and I was reading in the New York Times, which is usually pretty sympathetic the Portland left, but even they wrote this article on the front page. The marches in Portland critically moving to residential neighborhoods we're demonstrators with. bullhorn. Shout shout for people to come out of your house and demonstrate your support. sitting idly and watching a protest without participating nowadays is to show tacit support for racism, I'm not down with that. Not one. I'm home, I'm home, yeah sorry, this is where there is. There is aid to tell Tyrian streak that runs through all extremes and and and focus on. The left me to understand. Look. Democrats dont need advantage for hung around their neck. You know every time a couple of
protest, reducing insane they try to associate with the democratic ticket, whereas what we radicals party. I mean you've got your militias and you also have legit folks on the far far right serving in positions of power in Congress. It's not commencer. That said, if people don't appreciate how this is a feedback loop between each shot that the militia groups look at Anti fun, use it as to excuse to try to bring guns into the that's, and that's one got. We touch out for around election week is because they're all print plaque gonna do arm poll watching to protect the poles from Antifa and to crack down on mythical voter fraud and that's going to be a powder kig. We got to watch as a country, the inner,
play between his extreme is really dangerous. There was an international group this week that monitors hot spots around the world. You know where war might break out and for the first time they said they're going to watch America on our election day, fun stuff, it's terrifying. So Joe Biden during the debate said something about this. Antiphon particularly mentioned Chris Race said dismissed. This organization is because it's not an organization, he said it's an idea, man and it is but the mischaracterized those remarks to suggest that that made them less threatening. Chris Ray's remarks were intended to scare you, because it's more threatening that they're, not an organization that can be infiltrated that can be monitored with finances. You can freeze that you can disrupt. It's an idea- and we don't police thought in this country will happen in Michigan. Recently is a good example: if Europe, a white nationalist group, white supremacist group going online and trying to drum up support for a terrorist plot, you're talking to the FBI, the other personally
line is a law enforcement officer nine times out of ten. This is organic. This spontaneous this is something you can't police. Interesting and I'm sure, there's someone on twitter right now saying you know three white guys talking about race. That can't happen in America and you know, almost always. When we talk about anything we have. We have a black person on the show here to here to say: yes, people white people can talk about it. Would it would be wrong only talked about it with other, but having said that, I must that one other thing from an article. I was it cited that the protests increasingly this. This is important and critically dominated by white people. What is more, this useless raise but more offended than the victim. You know
I dont know if the Democratic Party which, in the name of willingness to Rachel issues, is actually not in line with Black America so much it because there are more liberal blacks are modern. Forty four percent, moderate, double liberals, twenty eight and conservative twenty three percent- that's gonna! go up is illegal by the strongest voting blocked in the primary. Wasn't it correct and at while everybody was racing to the left on social issues and woke issues, Joe Biden, crews, to the nomination behind the support of african american voter right or our progressive, economically don't going, but it also heat he did not over index twitter talk. He did not over index folks, who are incredibly loud on the far left, but dont represent the Democratic party? It only twenty percent of Democrats, party identifies as very liberal, equally split we moderates and liberals, but you gotta, pre small core out there on the far left their disproportionately loud and anyone who comes to raise.
yeah, it's true. I mean white fighting. Fifty five percent of whites identifies a very liberal and Democrat Democrat stimuli at an end and an end, like thirty nine percent of African Americans so There is a gap here, and this is when you get drawn into the outrage olympics. Everybody loses but frequently you run headlong into an irony where you get a bunch of white protesters and people acting more extreme and in their politics than the african american community. That was the back motor Joe by the support, and I don't know if it's ever really that much about the african american community. I mean many of them are sincere, but sometimes it just seems like. Oh, you don't want to be coming in second and I hate racism. The most contest.
You know, but at least we have to have an honest conversation about race in this country and I think we're beginning to do that. I mean you can't separate talking about american politics from race, so that's making the cake for up that's what we all need to be able to talk about, but that's some of that's not not really honest. I mean when we're having a conversation, some of those critical race, theory stuff, for example, that's now being introduced into federal departments where it's associated with diversity, training among the things that you have to do. One of these documents that I read explain that How would you define critical race, theoretical yeah, you're right? This is racial sensitivity, training right that Donald Trump just found out about and boy. Does he hate it, but not that's anonymous because he says they took this is like I saw this, I'm sorry I'm going to let you get back. I just want to explain so people know what you're talkin about. I saw this phrase in the paper I've never seen before, diversity, consulting industry, I didn't know they had won and whenever I see consulting a Milosevic,
but I certainly can. I certainly can imagine how racial sensitivity, training be good. There are some people who do need that yeah Donald Trump, Donald fix it, but he's saying- and this is where I come back to you- so that Rachel critical race theory saying you see race everywhere. Would that be inaccuracy. In my view, this is a critical perspective. Obviously do not share this view, but it's a marks in analysis that essentially posits that every facet of society is somehow related to race, racism and deal original sin of slavery and critical race theory posits particular people like even Ex candy, who say that there is no, not racist. There is either anti racist or racist, there's, a complete binary. You are one of the other and being anti racist
requires a lot of action on your part to seek pennants through. Isn't it also, but you you're either a racist or your races, and you don't know it right? Yes, it's all of the above, it's a very comprehensive theory and its beginning to work its way into the aspects of the federal government, one of them being these diversity train them. which include some anti racist elements, and there was one document I saw this is. I think it was indeed a national land laboratory, which is from your nuclear research facility, required individuals who are participating in this seminar to Caen The first episodes of racism in which you engaged, and it's not something you can opt out of you- have to confess episodes racism because, of course, to engage in society and solid did not know it. You know it, you must be educated and how you get so soviet, so Scientology it that about That's what we're here Look, this is the blind spot in the left. They don't understand how pissed off people get about extreme political correctness. There were well in extremes, no question, but let's not pretend that D. Training is anywhere near as big a problem. This countries, races and- and
to know. One thing work some about some people focusing exclusively on the other way outta the president does and it would, while at the same time, he's gone to great lengths not to condemn white nationalist groups, and I thank you and on progressive Remy. You know so so you know, we're going to find anyone who likes yeah. This is that we can neither yes, I know I think it's that much about ideology. Joe Biden does not get on with this, he seems afraid to say as much, but it would serve him well, I think, to strike a more definitive position, because we all know implicitly he's not. He doesn't believe in a lot of this. He doesn't believe in court packing. He certainly doesn't believe that racism permeates every facet of society and that you need to confess your original sin. I don't think he believes that, but IP is is afraid to alienate the members of his do short, but but but a bit again enterprise, not a big Joe Biden, penetration notes that mean Mcdonald from didn't, want to run against Joe Biden
Have we gotten a whole of ukrainian mess in the first place that got led to the impeachment? But all these things are sort of distractions against larger backdrop, and we are eighteen days out from an election, and democracy really does hang in the balance I mean we need to set a good example and and Donald Trump has said out loud first time in our history, president said I might not respect about peaceful transfer of power. I mean Amy on The bear it saying into her Supreme Court hearings. Well, I don't have an opinion on voter intimidation. Well guess what its illegal! Let's start there and- and this is a serious moment for our country- and so I don't want to get distracted on stuff that we're gonna have to deal with for a long time, because Donald Trump's, a symptom, not a cause, we're going to need to find a way to reunite as a nation? It's going to take time. We need to strengthen our democracy, but let's not get her off the ball about getting complacent or acting like this thing is
over or acting like anything's more important than this election that we've all got to show up and vote for what whoever you vote for show up, because we got to defend our democracy big time. Well, then, why do you say whoever you vote for, because what the fuck does that mean what it means is. Nobody should be telling someone else how to vote. What we do need to do is say, look if you're trying to not count vote if you're trying to subvert the vote, if you're trying to subvert the popular will, if it's close and that's what Donald Trump is basically said, he's going to do that's a dangerous moment for our country. we are working on the knives right, so why? Why pretend that we shouldn't tell people who to vote for a vote for the guy who plays by the rules. At least I mean what are you talking about? What I'm saying is look, I look. It's not a real secret where I am on this is just like. We got a bunch of contradictions in journalism. It's not biased to call Donald Trump, a liar because he's demonstrably a lie.
right. So you can say these things about worrying about what I'm saying is people got to show up, we got to play by rules and we got to stand up and walk to the polling places or mailing your votes, because this thing matters more than any other and are lodged no dice, That's why? There's really only once. I don't know you're a democratic donor. Well, I meant more. Why would you say that I mean you know it's like these people who are like? Oh, I hate Donald Trump and I'm gonna write in Abraham Lincoln, oh Jesus Christ. It's a binary choice! All these people who work work in the Administer creation. That always say well, you know how bout it be if we weren't there and like that's done argument for reelection we binary the weren't, for they were working in here in the administration of this all the time for people who work it'd be so much worse. If I wasn't there and then they're going to pretend to be members the resistance, when it's all over that that argument work for me during the Bush administration, Colin Power, glad state, but it didn't do anything in the Trump administration. Nobody can.
Contain him. Nobody could end not even a vodka. and we know he has a soft spot for her all right. Let's bring out John, he is an award Emmy and Award Tony winning, giving him every award. That's enough to the award winning actor and committee originally directed his first feature. Film critical thinking now available to watch on demand. John Lucas AMO is with us: hey, hey, what's up John Pill, what a pleasure great to meet you long time fan first time interviewer. I was lucky I'm afraid you fought for ever. Thank you. My friend I was looking at. Here I am d b. You ve done a lot of all these man. You have really worked and I'm an immigrant.
Three times is not to get happens. You could do that, but I feel bad for you, because, finally, you get a shot to direct your own will be critical thinking. I saw it it's terrific and then the pandemic hits so it didn't get what it should have gotten, because it should have been at all the festivals which got canceled, but it is on streaming. I just wanted to say to you: it's a really good movie, so people will see it because that's the thing about movies: they last forever there around and it will be around, and people will see this movie, You should be very proud of it. It's about chess detriment had great time making it. I mean it's a great story. Thank y'all. It's a true story about five Latinum black kids from the toughest neighborhood in Miami called Overtown who the schools were defunded, you know there's no trickle down it calmly. We know that's bullshit, so
the black, nothing and it's one teacher Mary Martinez that I played took him to national chess champions in nineteen ninety eight and then to win five more championships, five more with other kids in his in his elected. You play chess yourself. Amateur me I thought I saw it's a level above where I am to the place for Tigo. I can act like a play, and I know I know you're, very outspoken, on what you think is the lack of his band. I'm sure, you're right representation in show business and movies, and television. I've read closer musing and there's one guy. Applauding saying things like Latinic, brother if not, if there's not a latino when it what's the point of watching it. Oh yeah, I mean
The largest ethnic group in America come on. I mean we're twenty five percent of the Us Box Office in less than four percent of the faces in front of the camera less than two percent of the crew less than one. percent of the stories zero percent executives. I mean it's it's just like living in a cycle socially razor, and what about the fact that voting Why are we not what we're doing about show business there, which is a category unto itself but voting wise thirty two million eligible latino voters now, which is for the first time more then the african American, which is thirty. So my question is why don't they have the same same influence? We were just talking about the fact that you know Joe Biden got the nomination because of
african american support? I mean african Americans really control that nomination, not that they demand a black nominee. Obviously, but it has to be black approved. And you have more voters. Why don't Latinos have that same power? Well, America is so binary. First of all, you know it's always. You know just black and white and the rest of us get forgotten, but I think part of the problem is that candidates. Don't reach out to us the don't talk about our issues they're, not putting people that look like us in their cabinets early enough on so what we really improved. I mean Twenty sixteen rapid numbers of that next people have registered to both and they're registering to vote in record numbers right now. Look like people like AOC knows how to work with people
you got to knock on their doors. You got to stop, you got to call and you got to talk to them. Obviously, where Covid, so you can't not happened was doors you gonna talk to us about our issues come ass because we was fine words friendliest motherfuckers in the world. You say latina acts that next year, oh I read an article that said that only three percent of well, I can't latina ex people, know that word. It's mostly white thing. Now it s a wolf. It's a walking white wipe political, political, its latin people, that one don't want, Letty You know to exclude women out because when you say quickly latino it sounds like we're just talking about dudes and you're, not including our sisters and all the things they accomplish on. Okay, all right! Well I'll!
try to get on the page. For that one. There was an article I saw on the paper this week that talked about How- and I thought this was sort of trading on stereotypes. It said that the Trump is doing a there are well with young latino men because of the Marquis small factor and Why? I say you shaking her head said: is it people for republican royalties for re, let's just get real I just feel like there's a level of of self or or just lack care for for the rest, your latin bugs and sisters who are in cages who are being demonized by the. President, I mean hate hate crimes against people away up. and how can you not? I mean twenty three people were shot Paso for just being latin and you mean you don't care, you gonna go for this break it down.
So president, I just feel like it's, but it selfish when they do polling. It's interesting because. The concerns like what is most important to you, of what You know folks in America is pretty much the same as everybody else. Immigration comes in eighth in their list of important things. Well, surprise we, land. People are just like everybody else. That's what I'm saying I thought you were jobs. Nobody wants jobs, but once again- economy, everybody wants to have the same opportunities. That's I don't see how outlets contradicting what I was saying. Ok, I'm just I'm just asking questions
I am ass away and what do you think about the scare tactics that Trump is is using a means talking about buttons going to tear down statues the Virgin Mary and that he's a communist and he's got all these bun buzzwords that I assume are used to to try to scare that community into voting his way, he's clever man he's clever they've micro, targeting latin people in Arizona through app because they know. All on. What's up this brain. To stop that you know. Biden is about to school the virgin Mary for small he's a Super Catholic, come on I'm a godless coming. You know like, like yourself but he gonna be like the Grinch, with a big bags the virgin Mary is carry those heavy. Statues come on
the virgin Mary and then in Florida, they're going after Colombians telling them that if you vote for Biden, he's a socialist and he's going to turn Columbian to Venezuela because they know we got four hundred thousand Registered Colombians in Florida could help flip to by so They really clever man insidious, but we're gonna get what we ve done to figure them out and and blow out all that bs. Okay, well, I wish I could have a drink with you on election day, but I'll do it virtually thank you, John, or to wait to meet you even at home. I zoom all right, John Liam all right. Thank you, John Time for new rules, everybody, okay, new rule of Supreme Court nominees, get to be evasive and avoid straight answers and their job interviews, and so does the rest of America. So barren
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ticket can swap shit off a bear. And finally, new rule Democrats have to stop talking about packing the Supreme Court, because it's already packed with Catholics Roberts. Thomas Alito cabinet. So to my air and Gore sick who IDA why counters Catholic because he was raised Catholic and is now episcopalian, which is just a Catholic who flunked Latin. And once Mitch, Mcconnell and company are done faxing, Amy, Coney Barrett to the bench, seven of the nine justices will be catholic. Look. I have nothing against Catholics, except my entire up but they are only twenty percent of the population If seven out of nine justices were Jews or Muslims or Buddhists, would that be ok.
And if faith is this super important element of life as Barrett and a republican supporters say it is shouldn't. We have a healthier balance on our highest court. The fastest growing denomination in America is nuns. No, not that kind I'm talking about atheists, agnostics and people who, when asked what their religion is, say, none. we are twenty four six percent of the country, not anyone here but of the country where's our voice on the Supreme Court, an atheist. Thank you
all right, I know they're out there. I know where you are my people, what suck them we're? Just us and atheists actually make better judges, because we don't have to work to separate church and state we're not torn between rational decision making and what it says in the old book of jewish fairy tales in two thousand and six Barrett told the graduating class of law, students keep in mind that your legal career is but a means to an end. That end is building the kingdom of God. No, it's not it's not the point of a legal career, a new pundits earnestly debating whether she will vote return row, verses Wade. Of course she will she's been grown since birth to overturn rovers is weighed she's like the terminator, a robot programme to fulfil
One task, except you wasn't sent from the future she was sent from the past. Here's the truth about Catholics in America, there's two types: scary and not scary the vast majority, not scary, not doctrinaire, in fact their famous Ignoring everything the Pope tells them not to do they divorce, they use contraception, they have premarital sex, they have anal sex, sometimes all in one night, but there's another strain of uber con. surfeit of Catholics who have an agenda, an enormous and growing influence to achieve it, and it's really about pining. return to the middle ages. When the church was the state the attorney general is one of these people. So I was federalist society responsible for putting forward
I've justices on the court, the Knights of Malta and Opus Dei. Members, where a little spike chain around their thigh all day to remind them, Now I know what you get MEL Gibson for Christmas, these old school Catholics. They play the long game, Amy Bear It has been on their radar since forever, because she was raised in an extremist catholic community called people of praise, we're a husbands, response possibilities included, correcting his wife. Should she stray from the proper path And where women were called handmaids, yet these folks who make Jehovah's witnesses, go, don't answer the door; they speak in tongues, otherwise known as babbling.
something called the marshal goddamn I dont like I don't know, I don't think you should go back to the negotiating table, but good guys, don't gamble good data. That wasn't I'm doing it, but that's what it is and they do it too, and now it's on the court. It's not wrong to call out nuts when shit is nuts. Thank you. I know I'd get to deal without you. Last year, Pope Benedict the spare parts Pope the first poked ever collect a pension, He wrote a letter for the world where he d
the loss of morality beginning in the nineteen sixties, he wrote this is his words standards, guarding sexuality collapsed entirely that why sex films were no longer allowed on aeroplanes. Because violence would break out among the small community of passengers. ok, one what airliner you flying and to what the fuck I think we all remember those days in air travel when there was more leg room and that also show porn on the flight he got so horny you'd punch, the guy in thirty two b but it can also wrote his words that quote because
the revolution of sixty eight, whatever the fuck that was pedophilia, was then diagnosed as allowed an appropriate really. Is that what the human by the kids are all right You know before anyone at the Vatican starts calling anyone else, a pedophile. You might want to check the color of your cattle, because we traced the call coming from inside the belfry Amy Baron said this region, no strong feelings about climate change, but very concerned about large belt buckles, Chuck Schumer said Democrats won't make Barrett's religion an issue, but they should because being nuts is relevant,
thank you very much. Let's a shell, I want to thank my guest John Evelyn Noah Rothman John Leguizamo for Zakaria we'll be back next week. Thank you very much Rob hatch all new episodes of real time with Phil Mark every Friday night at ten or watch him any time on HBO on demand for more information log on to HBO com.
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