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Sir of the new book brave, not perfect, which came out just what
a girl stop apologizing, and I could not believe how
We are aligned on this idea of women, not
reaching for perfection, but reaching
the courage and reaching for more she's, also the
under of girls, who code she's, doing incredible work out there in the world, and I know you're gonna love her message as much as I do. I Rachel Hollis and I've felt a multi million dollar media company with a high school diploma and the free information I found on the internet in the fifteen years that I've been building and scaling my company, I have become deeply passionate about helping other entrepreneurs to do the same so each week, I'll be sharing tangible and tactical advice and inspiring interviews with the same intention being
are the tools to change your life and your business. This is the rice podcast personal. Thank you so much for joining us on rice podcast. Today. I have been waiting for this day for weeks and weeks and I feel Supra lucky to get to have a conversation with you for listeners. You are already aware of your incredible work to get to hear a lot about more and for maybe
listeners to get find out about your story for the first time ever activists?
why not you I haven't had any days were talking times, though, where we are.
So if you would take assented journey, you tell us about your Kirk's. You have such an interesting career that leads into the company. You now run today, yeah, so
My kids came here as refugees in like nineteen, seventy three, so I was
quintessential girl I felt like it. They had second
vice encounters through so much in this country. Life for them was already a struggle that, like I could be
an added stress rate. I mean just three days. You work at the right place does not give them a lot of trouble, and so I feel like very early on. I started thinking more about what they wanted that, rather than what I wanted
leaving a time. I was thirteen. I know
that's easy, but, like I love
this country, is it literally saved my parents, life and like I knew that I wanted to do something to get back, but then I found myself,
after I graduated college and unlawful with a three hundred thousand dollars that suit alone. That
and so I naively thought like I'd, go work for the man
You know I have to say
learns like a year to clearly didn't read like the interest rates in an I got stuck here and I can afford
myself and my early thirties being like. Is this it's like your life and is a killer
ass going into law. Was that a passion of yours or was that something that you sort of dipped in too because of your parents? That was a passion, mine, we'll let you watch. We watch tv and I thought that I feel it fighting in the court room and not like reading a bunch
I commend for myself and I don't think anyone fully explain to me what a career in the law for many look like.
I was always a debater unloved arguing I loved advocating like that was that half was bright. I think I got stuck
I hope this happens a lot of people because oftentimes
I come from a lot of money and you have that day. You feel you have to make choices to sacrifice, or that like
till. I get your impending life arm that are in the here and now and so you're you're in law, school or your. Are you out when you decide by a figure out thirty? Three years old, I mean a job that I hate in our been like a minute raid. It's like it's been like ten years raid.
And a miserable and I'm coming home every night for my job, I tricking of very large last wide and just asking myself like. Why haven't you?
here, and I had never felt that
add or that depressed before and remember one day, my
sitting there and my best friend calls me and I go
like windowless conference room and I start crying
like through the tears I hear her say, like just Quinn just quit,
and it's such a simple thing to say, but I didn't feel like I had agency to quit your here, I was
This job that people dream to have you know who was I did like feel like I didn't quote liken, or was it
did you ever gonna destined for me, and I felt that way, and so she gave
and so she gave me the permission to grant my career and then I ran for United States Congress ago. All gone all gone there, though, that the big clarity in their method. You quit your job. How in the world have you thought about politics like Canada happen? I loved politics that I loved. I had a very romantic view, a politician in that light,
If you wanted to make a difference in your community like run for us in
probably worked on my first campaign when I was eighteen years old, and so you know I had knocked at doors. I had got rallies. I had no I'd I'd been, you know, I've been
activists and organizer and
not to be. I felt like I had some good ideas and most funny at every time
participated in the book. A process, I always heard people say, will image room brothel image, but Rob is the more young women's runs. I was a great,
I'm ready to write, and I again
it it's Sunday so funny reaches the limited like what you don't know
it's better to walk into things and not know everything. A hundred per cent- and I was
yeah like I can go shake every hint and I got the democratic primary and I ran again
who had been there for eighteen years. I just didn't think she was all that effective
I had some ideas and I just thought I could shake every handed meet every voter in
figure it out again.
I lost miserably like in willing or dutch lacking and by now, like I put my job so I worked for your thou within a ran through my saving, so I'm broke, I'm like humiliated, angered ever
Maybe the democratic establishment that await my turn and I haven't.
Contingency plan, I'm also
as you all of you can really, I don't like people feeling sorry for me in an absolutely when I would meet people feel they are you. Ok, I'm, like I'm fine
you know you're a diagram number now
can I ask everyone this? I just there there's some similar, I'm a three which is in a chamber and we do not like that filling a vulnerability, and so I wondered if that was I gotta figure. We probably like after you out here, you're right, it's like it. It's like
feel vulnerable lake when people's day are you ok to me, then in particular? Now I feel I have evolved
and much more open about things in it.
That I just wasn't back then, but the big kindness,
fi lose its horrible I'm devastated, but
wake up the next morning. The first thing I feel is I'm not broken.
Like I M, not broken
He thought for so long in my life that if I did something it didn't work out that it was literally break me in
it was a shock to besides,
but be like a look here.
Can go find another day and it was
massive aha moment for me that, like I can let my life
differently. I can take more wrists, I can get rejected. I can fail in addition,
and hampers you know when I was running a campaigner Rachel
I was so joy fall.
I was so happy? Every day,
It was like a new day.
Just feeling like I was alive,
he's doing things I had never done before. I was for an audience ass. They had never. I was bickering things out
all hard and exhausting, but I felt very lives and I feel it
I want to make sure that listeners really here that right now, because one of the questions I get ass most often is about this fear of failure and there's two things that Russia said that I should like are so valuable. Wine is
even in the struggle of trying to run this campaign right, like you, are
I think it was hard as egg, I'm sure it was physically and mentally emotionally exhausting, but at least you were trying
people will never feel
because they won't even allow themselves to try the
Another thing that I loved you that you said was that you welcome the next day and you knew
so here, I'm I'm so here I can stand back up. I can go again and when I'm curious about is, do you think if you had a push yourself into an unknown like that? Would you ve ever understood that in the way you did know,
then playing my life and living my lifestyle choice. You know I would have been
I had for so long and I've been giving up before I tried it, but all I can do that. I talked myself out of so many things and
it has again. I thought I would if I didn't work, I wouldn't be able to recover and it was a fear of not being.
Was recover that help me back from doing things day. I knew deepen my heart. I wanted to do or Ireland
He had to do so. This was it
big juncture, my life for me, because it like it, shifted my thinking
shit in my thinking to realise that all you could try something in a car like your biggest dream and you could. It could not work out and you could have enjoyed the experience and felt alive and be ready for the next obstacle our journey
And so what was the next obstacle, her journey girls
started, which is now so then I I lose,
sitting there like ok, I lost the lake, I loved it, and so I want to keep change making. I wanna keep helping people on what is the one thing
that I saw on the campaign trail that like really moved me, but I think I can do
difference on it. You know much since my peers
numerous refugees. I literally
The jobs which I was twelve like Basque, Arabians retail, like you name it telemarketing, and I really believe in the american dream like. I really believe that leg through hard work
your education, that you can like march up into the middle class and my family is really reflection of that and so
I was running for office. I'd I'd go into these.
City, public schools and I'd say boy in a parallel.
Full of boys learning the code, not a girl in, and I was like what's going on here,
like? I knew something about
the boys covered. I didn't know that started in high school. I want it to at interest in it, so I started kind of every day,
a job is in a working document.
But during my lunch break my at night, I would go meet with people
who were professors
each in computer science, teachers that were teaching science, education and like organise women. I just wanted to learn everything there was about. Why were there not why women not to
largely. Why were
less than eighty percent of technology force female? Why were
you know, computer science?
classes in high school or minutes all only twenty percent of them were girls. Why, and how came
this idea about teaching girls to code in summer camps,
the thing Rachel she didn't know how to cope-
didn't. I didn't know that about you have a funny. I was the Palestine specifications major. I was terrified of methods, islands, but because
everyone that campaign and tried
something and it did it again. It didn't break me
I suddenly felt like well. I can check on other challenges about things not be
perfectionist interest in it, be ok it. So it did
occur to me that lake I had to
had a code and with expert and subject to start something what I felt like what I needed have passion and the will to want to make a difference and wanted and want to create opportunities for girls, and that's where I was coming from,
did you when you were doing the research as you're trying to figure out? Why are women and technology? What
the findings was just there not exposed to it at a young age, and so they don't think of it when they had a college or like what was
was the reason that you found yeah? Look. I think that
but my new books are about. I see that we raised girls and boys differently. Absolutely, though we encourage boys- and I have done so- I I feel
he's guilty of this too, like weaker
her voice till I crawled to the top of the monkey bars and just job
to man ought to toughen up. It is normally added through physical best dealt with our girls,
was pretty much from thirty months. We are protecting them,
one in the name of of again physical danger so would like,
well, honey in adults when you're spend too high, like your dress, sturdy little lake. Did you get
toy back from her like say sorry. The word were insulin.
Our girls for danger and failure and we're doing the very opposite with her voice right,
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I read your book and I remember that, but you know as you're going to the intro in this part- and I was by myself yesterday with my daughter, whose two and a half and she's jump
in and out of the pool onto like a little platform in and out in and out, and I started to say be careful and where I don't know
because it was subconscious. I know I'm going to talk to you chair, remembered that scene of, like you know it, you didn't tell the boys to be careful, you are like everybody keeps flashing and I just held my tongue etc
My husband, I got that huge fight about night, like has shown by storms for kids,
was it not me, I'm afraid the dark, and so, of course, I gotta by my baby. I buy the night applying it in you, no good.
My room to manoeuvre has what sums up the stairs pulls out the night light
rain, or shine through measures and finally make. What is your problem, like he's afraid of the dark, and I began my family's happens. My asked his like. No doubt we got
we are talking and unlike knowledge, Sean was a girl. Would you let him ass the night? Will you
it happens all the time in its not intentional. Remember its second nature. It's the way we were raised at the way we are raising our kids and so those the concept.
This is a bad or in a brief
we become second nature for voice as they get older and make lots.
Businesses right. They ask for promotion, they asked for reasons and for eyes, it's the opposite
We start getting addicted to perfection. Its are becoming
of identity and
yeah, but women are twice ass. Likely to suffer. Depression is meant of with all these professions rears its ugly head, and you write about this in your new as birth rate, they perfectionism had rears its ugly head in every aspect of our life.
This in your journey was birth rate. They perfectionism had rears its ugly head in every aspect of our allies in the apology parted
Fine, so interesting because, as I've been out there with women universally
well I'm like Montana, like New York, like how many of you in the past week,
and down the street and someone
opt in to you and you, Sir, I'm sorry
Absolutely all of us! It's like you,
sorry for taking up space you're, sorry for existing, but it's something it's exactly like. You said it something that we ve had innocence.
We were a little girls. I definitely was raised to be
good little girl to be polite. To make people happy too. You know to smile and look pretty and do all these things, and it's no wonder that it follows
you into adulthood, because that was the whole
of your childhood was being taught
do exist in a certain way. Yeah told
bring it becomes it, but I do think that the word have attacks that are. I do feel like it's you
On learning kiddo,
but you, but it's like it's like losing weight right. You fall on and off the wagon any up to be conscious of it in its I've, wanted dont like him for me as I like. I did that one
the thing, and now I'm brave now like a fish farm,
the time and I have to catch my stuff
travelling for your book tour and that it was a mere in the end of my West Coast trip and like we're going and we gonna the inadequate the airport task in I can upbraid and
with my Fatima, has been sure nothing
look at my husband, United Work and sixteen our days, I'm an overview you take to find the best ass to foster the backlash and I'm still married marquise. Anything. Ninth episode of petroleum haven't even hotter, back and forth thrown evidence at me all I wanted to sleep and have a glass of wine
looking at my husband, who is doing exactly that and I'm sorry
man myself, but why did you do best y hear about this? Your attitude about this and it because I'm at all, I feel
I have to be a martyr because they feel guilty? Yes, I haven't
perfect mom yet, and so of course,
we know that only forty minutes, other fibrin March, up to the front legs were switch and forty, yet discuss figure,
bring me the wine at a great rate, but at least it does.
The matter is
if you are in this house of where you are and that we do fall back and forth because it so ingrained in us and so
what are the things that you have found are helpful for women if they find themselves in this place of
wanting to be brave, wanting to try something new falling.
To this pit of perfectionism, which, if you, if you're going,
attempt anything new there, it's an app.
Salute impossibility that you can do it perfectly. What
What some of the advice you would give to listeners who find themselves in that place right now, right so
First thing I would say: is the champion:
If you're, tired, like you, cannot be brave,
if you're tired you just like my brain just exploded like Margie, you can,
be brave. If you're tired is the quote of the day, that is so good. Will you unpack that still
every woman I know was exhausted. Like were
Did it thought
it is no wonder re born.
His papers, you want to be in, we put off doctors, appointments could suddenly going to the doktor became selfish. We put other people's feelings before us, for we need to go for a walk. Will at all get to it later. You don't sleep enough. We don T break, and so all of that is making us, though
and exhausted so hard to kind of left yourself out its edges, it's easier.
Can I go with the flow rate in
The thing that's gonna make other people happy and not rock the boat had not changed.
A job that you feel about the get out, a relationship that you know, you're. No longer luck with that person is easier to just doing the thing. That's easy, which often is not the british banks
So the first thing I sail to to women as like you arrested,
thereby dealing. You know you can't be brave, retired.
Assets, so God I love that that's my favorite, the heating than ever the native you for, while because it so simple and it's not
cereal, it's like not out there. It is just a real fact of life. You can
a lot of things if you're tired. Quite frankly, you can't be effective. It's hard to
productive. It's hard to be joy, fall and
We're all pouring out every ounce that we have until everyone around US
instead of taking
their ship of what we need in order to not just survive but thrive in the life that were inside of me.
If you feel this way that women are more tired than we have ever been
absolutely ray. I think you're more an across the board, a processor purposes, prosperous, press village, oppress everything like we're. You one thing to be universally have in common is we're all exhausted yanza.
I'm getting a question. I you know I've had a blonde
I did this. I had a blogs. I've been online with women for
Seven years and I'm getting a question all of the time lately that I have never gotten, which is
What do you do when you are in total burn out burn out?
and these are like sterile moms. These are set
great teachers. These I'm
I got it once I like her, and now I get the question all the time and my. How did we go from you know? Halo,
practice some more self care, too
totally burn out, and I feel like I'm not like I'm drowning yeah
an interim and helped raping arrive here alone. You're lazy, if you take
himself care right, you're, not hustling, working heard enough. You're, not you know, you're not going for it and in that's just a huge problem, and that's why you I do these Friday posts on Friday is that I think it so
organ for women like us to show the real reason
What you would like IVO, really hard and then I crash the ailing,
we crashed, get sick crash and I get back about, and that is what I have learned
yeah my week were resting
so my the the big shift that I have done in the past. I'd say eighteen months, Gazette absolutely was my story for a decade. I m
This sounds idler deserves my
weeks, I'm working so hard, I'm up at five, a m, I'm doing all the things I am present as a Mamma as a boss, I'm doing whatever nights
I am in sweat, pants and I am doing
thanks. I don't go
the grocery store, I dont cook, I don't I mean,
everybody's alive? We might be in Turkey sandwiches for dinner, but I have fully release myself from here.
To be a certain way alike, I I, I guess, I'd come
mental eyes like this- is when I'm in a sharp and Madeira really hard. But the only way that I can do that is if, in the
other times I'm just.
Really hard core
came the chance to recharge so a lot of times with the kids, I'm like eyes were allay here. Our it up, you know, watch a movie together. Arena play a board game like Mommy, can't we I can't go.
Go with you somewhere, I can't go jump on the trampoline. I literally don't have the energy we're going to be together, but it's going to be with the lowest energy I can
and that has really really help
let us try there. That's really powerful, because you know it
like even as a even if we're working and we have help. I do know about you, but I feel like the weak and comes around, and I'm like. Ok now is when this, what I used to think. Ok,
when I shall show the world that I'm Superman
now is when I show the world that these babies do not miss out by having a working mother and at the
and the day I like all
These kids want, literally all my kids. Why is time with me where I am present, and so am I
play the phone, I'm not even wearing a bra but brother. We are going to hang out and we are going to have, but it's it's a very low, very, very low key fun, but that has made a huge,
a friend of my life
ray I'm tryin that that's very powerful springs. It's true! You have this pressure to almost give what you give your careers, your kids at the same level of intensity and vice versa.
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think it's their seasonality to write like you're on a book tore it it. Just. The pendulum is going to two way in this direction of work.
It is its soil. It requires so much energy for you to travel like that and beyond, and take pictures and do press, and so
there is going to be some sacrifice there in that season with your son. But then the flip of that
it's ok! Now I made it through this difficult season at work and now what do we do in as a family? How are taking a vacation? What Fridays can take off so that we can have more time together? It's like
my my wish. My hope for women is always that they can just fine the rhythm networks for their family and ethics.
Stability, salt, Orton in making sure we create workspaces that do that, because its it we can do that we can build that annex. Were there
see I was about organisation, but its harder
yes look, rest, his bag.
When the day I think I've been so decide,
practicing imperfection you know I feel like. We think that if we don't do the
afraid to send an email with a typo within
so the way I always tell women, this is like emails.
Every woman, I know, is afraid to send an email with a typo within and show like.
Re, read and rewrite and re read and rewrite with a hundred emerges and explanation points
By that time, it's like there's, not everything else.
And so what I say to women is, like you know, send an email with a title when it and light
promise you like nothing, will happen because we go quickly from I have a typo too. I'm sorry,
me too, I'm an idiot, I'm fired and like ten seconds when you realise that the worst possible thing that you things that happen, probably isn't boy tat bed,
and so this idea practising imperfection is really or like going to the grocery store that a full face and make a barn or bringing sore about cookies. Your kids birthday party, like it's ok,
absolutely! Oh, my gosh, absolutely eminent guess said that there is a really interesting idea that, because some of the things that you mentioned are not like, that's not, I will bring us or about cookie all day
happy to show my Rosita to the world. Here is my skin. I am right now, I'm in my office, not where we make up, but I am sure that
There are things in my life where I want.
To be as good,
That can possibly be so. I love the idea of identifying the thing that you personally need to like unclenched on, like
It is the thing that you know that you are
He too hard on yourself in this area and you
need to be graceful about, allowing yourself to do that
imperfectly and just keep trying you totally and
and my leg,
hearted waiting happens. Is that like it's like for me, what isolate the hat on failure is is to imagine the worst thing that could possibly happen like superior man,
I make a candle lose reproof, everyone's, not laugh at me in a minute.
A sword enemy for the rest of my life?
haven't worn, inner enemy is very dramatic. It sounds a little bit like you're, a pirate, that's bearing empowering alike. I like
What I'm gonna do some anger. Somebody cause I'm going against the grain and there never gonna forget that, which is what happened but, like my point is this, I think once
visualize. The worsening
happening when it happens like a kind of experience like it the little matter, but it works the end,
kind of the same thing for for practising imperfection. It's like you realize that, like the thing that I thought was that what's gonna happen, just didn't minutes, ok, yeah, I think so,
for me and business if, when, if and when I get anxiety about a new plan,
that we're gonna lean into and business, let's say I'd. I absolutely do that. I imagine ok, we're
case scenario: what's the worst
that can happen here. Like I don't know the product they.
The products or someone suits us or, like I just like, and then I just quickly make myself. Ok,
if that happened. What would you do and if that
then. What would you do and get annually
no matter what the answer is your like. Well, I just keep going like I'd figure it out. We would be fine
we would have a blip we'd have to navigate around it, but I but it by
kind of following it down the rabbit hole, at least for me, because whenever
feeling anxiety, the ads
for me, as always knowledge, if I can do if I have some knowledge or if I can do some research it makes me feel like are
I do not know everything, but at least I've got a little bit of I
some tools. I've got some ideas
how to navigate around this rather than just staying in this sphere, loop of what could possibly happen yet
and, like you, ve kind of like Youtube,
the whole work and you kind of now. You know what what's the alternate
any mimic scary
absolutely we you talk about when you started it just for people are familiar with girls who coax. I want to make sure that they understand
The business is because a lovely you started a business in an area that you like. You started this visit, you dare not. If you didn't know how to code, will you try
because so many of our listeners are
this dream of building something, but won't even allow themselves to take the first step for fear that they're gonna get it wrong or else
tat, we ve kind, have been told anything that goes back her asking raises
action. Is that what you have to be an expert in something to star, whereas I often think that the best business people are trying to solve a problem that they faced Warsaw
not from me Ray. I saw we wire girls, not coding asked.
Curious about understanding why that wasn't happening and
started approaching it like in some ways. Writing a book report like what are all the reasons why this is happening in an Indian. Had this idea- and I didn't let the fact
wasn't an explorer almost
me and in some ways had I been a woman in technology and had gone through
I probably would have had a lot for a pilot been harder for me to launch grocer code because it would
oh, no! No, no, that and that that Canada swayed where's my night activity is probably would allow
We do not build a movie, that's which billions of euros-
in some ways. Your passion and not your expertise is the benefit
totally, we have to see it
that way and then certainly do most men.
Bigger are starting businesses about things that today, as you don't know anything about, but just see an opportunity, and so
you know grocer corroded set to non profit. We
basically have two major products we have.
One we run these free summer immersion programmes. Everyone is listening, go on girls who coda com at sea.
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pretty amazing, I'm a big I'm, a big boy
Rachel in our girls like I just. I think that they're they're gonna hear less certain
they're gonna leave us in that
where we can do to kind of its best and land and allowed.
To create built in a day like they're gonna solve big problems. That's also. I wrote this book because
I realise that many times a thing that standing in their way is not their ability but their perceived ability, because a perfection some so it's up. They immediately go like. I can't do this, even though they have
I've tried it with its then
taking that their minds, aspects that are neither good at something. Your bad said that all of us can account for this. But how can you learn- and I thank you again- you learn that through bravery and through failure
To risk taking it so
It's so interesting, because I think that
So many of us grow up believing is that in all
to be it. It's like an order.
Perfect. We have to do things perfectly, and this
the total mindshift that says it all,
her to get better at some.
We're not even try it we're not trying to be perfect, we're trying to improve or trying to grow in order to do that you have,
to be willing to.
Be very good at it. You
have to be willing to fall. You have to be willing to fail because it is in those like it's the strength that you get when you're standing back up or the lessons that you learn, I'm sure as affair.
A business like. I know this is true for me. I'm shirts, you for you. So much of our best practices came out of our biggest failures as a company thousand persons
and also like I love what I mean. I think you're searching you're so incredible
because you build your empire and nobody gave that to you.
Back. She probably had to fight for the recognition that people would have gotten have their dead one. Fourth of what he darted out there
you were not the traditional re like sir
definitely if they were the bearer guy, though all therefore thing for her good things and insulin, that's
I think for so long as we speak. Well, I'm gonna work will hearted. Somebody will recognize me, and I know that you have to create your own destiny, to create your own success, your own power and there's a lot of fun, and that too,
but I love I mean we and our Preachin on the same, like to the same church, I feel like because
This idea that you have to take their ownership of your life, you
have to be willing to two not put it
your partner, your friends, your sister, your parents like, if you want something you ve gotta, be willing to go after it either.
If you go after gosh, must especially go after imperfectly. It's just the willingness to try anything.
It is by the way
raising a boon shall write most some things. Don't work out, like I'm sure, like people method that the other,
people often look at our life- big, oh my god, you're so lucky and as another ten things that happen on a daily basis. Like you know, I had five miscarriages before I had my son.
Fertility for me has been that thing, but ever you know I have kind of
stood up to it said I am not. You know the Myanmar Wait, a minute
she's going in
you going in and keep I'm not gonna give up, I'm not gonna. Let this situation break me and I think that, like I think that
often times we let we left,
of our biggest pain and it's over biggest obstacles stand in front of our destiny.
are so good guys if you are loving everything the rashness saying- and I am sure that you are the book is brave, not perfect.
It's available, I mean anywhere, you can get a book and I'm sure it's on audio as well,
This is the big audio but crowd, so I'm sure they're gonna run over an audible and grab that if people are obsessive
like, I am and they want to find out more information. I definitely my birthplace interact with Russia is on Instagram, but will you tell everybody where they can find you online
Find me at my website. Rush was Johnny that can follow me
in Saran Ambrosch Mr Johnny follow me on Twitter twitter com
It's what I do want to learn more about. Girls returned coming closer co, dot com, but you can find me,
Thank you seriously. Thank you. So much for four
for the wisdom today, and I think what I am most inspired by and your story is that
You walked through
forgot season. You had a failure that so many other people would give up
and you turned that failure into a platform.
You use not not to help yourself but to help other women
and that is so freaking
spiralling not just to me, but I'm sure to Oliver Listener. So thank you, sir.
For the time and for Lightner hearts on fire today
thank you Rachel. It's been here
just sit and talk to you and me
We decided we're gonna be best friends, and now we are perfect, perfect use a good fire latest Joe,
did I mentioned. I have a book coming out. Here's the thing it's called
get out of your own way sceptics guide to growth and fulfilment and wherein the priest cell window of windows
I am super excited about. Having written a book for both men and women about the twenty,
eyes that I once believed that were keeping me in my own way. I have written this from them
effective of someone. That is totally differ.
Rachel Hollis, even if the format is somewhat similar to girl wash your face. I wrote it from
the ways someone who's been skeptical of tools like this book or even the uncovering, the listening to for ever and ever
Through that lands that I'm talking about the ways that I was getting in my own way and I think in uncovering the truth
behind those lies. Not only did it
me get out of my own way to help you get out of Europe's. There are two ways
when I say thank you for preparing this book. I have created an e course any course yeah.
In the course of sixty minutes each course called finding your why it's a fantastic resource
It's available absolutely for free right now for having pure the book and, if you
to get out of your own way the book that calm right now and follow the problems, not only we get Icarus, you can hear the first thirty minutes of the book.
Again get out of your own way comes out March. Tenth, I'm super super excited about it, get out of your own way. The book dot com hit that link follow the problems, and I appreciate your support.
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