James Golden, a.k.a. Bo Snerdley, is joined by renowned political consultant and Conservative Mary Matalin and her husband, Democratic strategist and commentator James Carville. As decades long friends of Rush, the two share deeply personal stories about their relationship with him and his legacy on broadcasting and politics. This episode also contains a special feature about Rush’s radio program during the George W. Bush presidency, narrated by the host of Coast to Coast AM, George Noory.
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Mary, Matlin and husband. James Carville, welcome both of you to this product S. Areas,
No, we don't do this thing. I have to start by asking Mary and James separately. When did you
Meat Rush, Mariano first thanking China. You met him before
You gonna, let me, madam, we, the revision, and yet I used ever apartment raw like right on Fifth Avenue and New York, and the first time I met him at his candle or whatever you call. It was one of them.
Side his Upper EAST side digs right and marry you with at the time
honey. We worked with wrought certain his wife with GM member there.
We had dinner at that. Would then
No, that was Et Cetera, way lived in central park. We went in a dinner with russet, but
Saint James ironically
he hit it off and I knew brush before was rush. We kind of, I think my dad turned me on to him in the eighties Ladys and then we will know been constant companion since then
James would tell you, since I never turn Ahmad not leave. I must see both of you remember that those TIM westward christened shows, and we
do missing those of us who I mean we love seeing your family on meat, the press with timorous it I'm gonna, tell you meet the press, of course, that was back in the golden age of meat depress, Jane Dummy
elaborates on me the rest, because I think this is a turning point in a lot of things, went Timorously Pass, but interesting. Sad
sweet attributed timorously in our relationship is James. Tell em to adversity.
Think James. You sit here and there more than anybody else like two plus elaborate and town Maria out of ours on other line on about more than a vague bob. No overall time rocket for me to brush but could be wrong, is probably change their evil.
and I would just like my friend and they we had- they fall tickets together, Bedaub below
a basketball, the wizards tickets together his son-
I didn't talk sports talk, radio show for some time and are you right when he died?
in June, the first night, when you all engine and thought of Washington Journalism nothing. It died with temp born in
just you. It was one of those kind of that,
and you know it was his toes diet, it's difficult and was sir, but twelve years ago. Thirteen years ago it was the first he died. The first night that we were gonna spend in our house in your own said. Elizabeth was almost to the date. If you look it up, maybe it was Jus Nathan. I think the data
but the real problem. I gotta be unfortunate certainty, animal reform, I don't wanna talk politics, because that is commitment. Not. Why would I do want to talk about rush, though now
James. You know Russia nickname, for you will have heard what was it answer, my child
I want to remind me again: there was serpent head sharply there I think very come here.
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Why would I came from where it is grown, arise with job Bush? You well jabbered ales neuronal job. It was job boys because I was so smitten with James and I was honest rocket
of a career trajectory and I fell in love with him, and it was in the middle of that campaign that I was running. He was running, cleaned and so everybody's like. Who is this guy? No,
You know, and we just saw my team eagles. That's it! That's the guy and ride drill said this worse. He looks like a thief,
you swam to close to a nuclear reactor and job dossiers like a serpent bad. I love a man. Well back quickly blows workers
quickly became very quickly became you're, a nickname, wanderers limbo Shell and James. As you may know, I don't know whether you know this or not rushed. We had a lot of bits. Yeah people tell me about it, not yet how in debt that I've asked that I've never met in our part of the end up.
Public person, but in Iraq married my avatar. I get in her car that she had previously driven
It would be unwise, radios, amnesia change it right away and of your, but why I'd attack? If I were to say something about rush, is when you become famous?
and I've noticed this amount, like people only know you for what you famous far right. So if, if you're a baseball player in youth anguish, you have a life outside a baseball,
The people are just not that interested ended up modeling interested in it, and they want to talk to you about that will obviously not probably too feeble Mary was closer to. It was rushing by present chain
and resolved to that. I had to spend a fair amount of time and,
but both some word and multi dimensional people somewhere. I wanted to talk about issues are showing your dinner
raising the shed in precisely the same thing about me, but we could talk about other things very easily. Was one stilted force, conversation Deb, the boats, multi dimensional people, so you didn't have white, uncomfortable small talk and I think that safety nets can import
because the blog site people when people come famous there only known for the saying that they become famous for, but they have families and they have attrition. They have been
children or I have been a number of things that idea. What's up, I always found it. You know easy to the social situation with both of these men and women.
not feel uncomfortable of war or anything like I wouldn't,
tell my James tell Russia's James what our rush gave us for a wedding present
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Let's just say was hey: you gave a magnum of nineteen sixty one obray of which the ads
pretty nice committed images that any new. Why
he D. You know, and I could talk, you know, villages with him or anything like that, and I am, I think, we're gonna open it thanks. Here
it's getting a little long in the tooth. Yet I don't want to sell it cuz. You know when somebody gives you a gift like that, then I'll give it to the seller. I still have
Michel overvalued gender controlled temperatures article I think, it'll drink your spine from November rang and great power cut posed covered thanks.
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three James Golden wonderful. When I'm glad you, I am glad that you are opposed covered now. Can I just get your reaction to this? You, ok,
those of us old enough to remember what the campaign was like between a bush.
forty one end and Bill Clinton Remit.
It was a pretty heated campaign there and then comes the surprise, and you too took
Everybody by surprise when
news I dont know was leaked out, or did you announce it that
you two were indeed in love with each other, and you were having a relationship. How did what was that
action at that time. It was the view encountered. What were we had a relationship prior to the campaign, in fact
when I was gonna Harris La Federation, fowl
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nation in Philadelphia gorgeous building. You know the angel holding a fallen soldier and where it was among,
people in Washington, insiders. It was pretty well, there was not a secret
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if all allowed and that campaign present HIV Bush in President Clinton became really close. I mean it was almost like of Arkell Depression Clinton and I count
the library on Donnie Bastard. Very you know couple three times
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we were in two thousand and six, which is a different place and we're gonna be
in two thousand twenty six. I I don't know exactly how
It is the sands, but it
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Let me just say this to you and I'll get your reaction to it. I don't know whether you to realize it or not, but for a lot of people that that are really political people. I believe
you, two are an inspiration,
was in a way you symbolise something. You symbolise the two people who are on opposite ends of the political spectrum cans.
will have a very loving relationship with each other. You guys have been
married for a while. You have kids now that a groan
I'm still here the love between both of you- and this is as apparent always been a real thing with you, since you guys decide,
if you were in love with each other right.
oh do you share the belief that this is somehow that this is in any way you two are larger than yourself glow nap without much it ever our conversation. I guess I go back to the original thing if it be
How much do you known for something of course, is it the way that we are in the living? There was a guy. I think it is Walter, Shapiro wrote a review of our book and his point was it's not surprising that something like this happen?
in Washington, but would really be surprising if Mary merit a tree sergeant denied
Ironically, I walk there would have been for you. If you would, you put you know
boys and girls in the same kind of profession in a way that there are other examples of people like us remain. I guess it. Europe pass the Baton Kelly out and George
the jump happy to do, but like Anna Bennet John, partly to a good friend of ours, there will be no definitely a job, but it was one of the famous Barclays of Connecticut an Arab varies a fort worse, then she's a barbarian accomplish poster our to turn. Nineteen eighty eight in New Jersey, something terminate their instances of it because it is just a weighted Nigeria. When you start mixing compounds, I'm I'm gonna stick agenda and I think that what was helped us is. We maintain interest in things out about it. Does it does it gets? You know about them? The describes a healthy interest in politics are denied, but we have no all kinds of stuff we enjoy. So many other things: football, family, food friend.
history. Ok, now, let's take the politics. If we can aside out of the question, what are you think russian boys legacies gonna be games? Were already saved in entire medium of communication amended
saved a M radio and they did the weighted should know a person's legacy is how many knock off? Did he create meal, but Mary go through the list, a name
of people in our arab bow. Our only limit my remarks to positive remarks, and what would note that I heard no, not our problem
tat, I d make that open up whereby but potentially de well, we're in.
action that is really divided into Paypal. I think divisions is a problem with that kind of war to say what a divisive god. But having said that, what I'd like to focus on crazy, you know he created a lot of knock off and none of them ever became him.
And that's that when you, you know, you ve done something. When you got successful people
what aiding you and
Nowhere in my life and we are going to Grady
oh, but I always take such pride and people and care painted at work. For me,
have gone on to do a lot of great thanks you so that that that's what she got to feel good, I mean I am sure that the rush hour, but I have no doubt that he bleed
the things that he said, and I am sure you have to take a certain amount of pride that so many people imitated him and that I think is, is monolithic. Anybody his head. That kind of you know info
action. It right wing media. At all I mean I was few hours listening to him in our work in Kentucky. Unlike nineteen, eighty seven
I am being AIDS. I debts that that day, you didn't you know to do. I'm sorry, but I couldn't do three hours programme in five days a week for anything in the world and
Do you know he was a minute? He was not only modest man, but be honest in terms of his professional career. He didn't have a lot to be modest about
I got it. I get up loved common only. I would very much
He loved her. I should love you, and I am glad that you have asked me to participate for a few minutes in us, I'm her.
be that you did I'm so happy that you did James? Thank you so much. I do appreciate that you'll love it.
Now Mary, I tell attention- I mean. Actually we can't talk together. This is how we, where we were halfway decent and ten, because he knew just talk over each other. But can I just pick up on one point that that that James me
It's so important. Its ties and little bo run everything even saying yes about this period and not the things that people didn't know about brush mean, of course, who is more talent. Teddy was Tellin Unlock from God in you to James, but the other Jane, confusing Jews, but he picking
that point that James me in real life rush was an overly modest humble he had. He knew
with the data was, but I think to the very end he was moved, struck, shocked awed by his own reach. He also was a gentleman. He was courteous, he was gentle, he was patient. He taught me how to use it. I found when, in the flip found days, even son,
but he was appalling. Math ourself, toppling Matthew Y know, architecture, new aviation, economic spy crab, the guy
The real renaissance man and that's why that debts, to how I think of Russia and the other thing that changes to Saint James, listen to my lab, where we were in the car together, he does, he could do more better than anybody. I've ever seen include
James, but this is one of James. This talent make the complex, but it's just that just now you know everybody, I don't I don't wanna make complete,
our sins, but I don't know anybody else. It had its deep, a philosophical and
it's the end, literal understanding of so many topics and he had first principles any was steeped in history,
free, and you know what I'll see knew that I don't know anybody else. Their nose is ass. He turned me onto this is what
we'll liberalism real legacy? Socialism is a key understood. Liberals if you read it and eat he inspired me to do that,
We need a lot about the russian Revolution and even preceding that marks and near the enlightenment, and all that he knew the whole threat of history that lead to liberalism and
understood how became a racket and how it beat how it transited the globe and that's why he was always a step ahead of. He always knew what the democratic
I do before we even knew what was going on, I want the problems I had with Russia early. I was, I was kind of a hippie dippy
environmentalist in my old days, and he when it started to turn into a racket, and he connected it too
environmental wackos, which I kind of understood, but I couldn't understand the motivation. That was the other thing that he could sus out and explain the most
and he never attributed ill motives attributed
the reality. Even for you
the mayor of real veal, so he knew what they were. Gonna do and he would say these
to give all I shall rash and he was always literally literally sometimes decades always years ahead of where the culture in design guys was. It is literally an all time. Twenty assent
three genius? I said I used to tell him it was uncanny. He would make predictions about the way something would roll out.
and sometimes I would be one of those voices of come on rush, serious
and within a few months or a year
and I was maybe longer whatever he predicted would start to happen. You know the beauty, the gift,
gave him a new challenge him. I knew a pole, call them
you made his particular. She was thinking. There was another thing he did that I've never seen anybody do with the aplomb that he did it. He would think out loud and he would think in full paragraphs and complete narratives, but you would push him and pray
and pick em and understand what he announced was in his head, and he thought everybody knew you guys were a great team, James, a fabulous
What I wanted to Know- and I was found an interesting- I wanted to know how he arrived at these conclusions or room, and you know he gave me the freedom to disagree with him publicly.
It was just amazing, an astounding and he could sometimes
Tell by look as I've looked at him a certain way. Why are you
get me like that. Do you not agree, and that was, if I didn't ok, I don't.
and why and then he would explaining. It was wonderful that way. Betsy at that is a hallmark of a genius
is somebody who is always challenging their own perspectives, their own ideas and is trying to understand how other people think and how their perceiving, what he is, that the person he or she is saying he always.
he's had than he liked. We disagreed with didn't ya. This always t up the liberals. First, that's right! That's right! He would demand that if someone disagreed put him up at the top, I wanna talk to them. These people are not interested in democracy are not interested in representative democracy or a republic. We are
a battle for the over all kind of countries. There's gonna be we're not in a battle
ever who is going to win every four years, we're not in a battle or who's going to be President who's going to run the Senate who's going to run the house. The battle we are in is
virtually and literally about. Will this remain the United States of America as founded? That is
what is being waged here now, Mary, you, the people that have been with us, the lifers, the people that were with us for the full ride.
Remember full well that in our very first compliment of guest house, we had a guess, toast rotation,
Doktor Walter Williams, lab harm me too,
tony snow, oh yeah, nor miss him too.
and Mary Matlin near to
James, I would know you were you are in our rotation, you guess how did they show many times? What was it like when you said that we used to do this?
A lot of Washington DC allowed at the ABS
studios there their headquarters in war
in DC. They allow us to come, then use their studios and they will always, by the way very nice with us very gracious almond.
To come in in those days.
am I used to fly them. We used to do the show from from those studios. What was it like for you guessed hosting the russian membership? Nobody,
you're a year only like by guest and the orbit of rush, but I think it's pretty good when I forgot about those days in one
you didn't because, and I did have a daily radio show which, when I cut my contracts and nowhere I wanna be on in any position except after brought slim. Why don't wanna beyond then? But I like the two that thing that rate that I
don't remember most is how bad I sucked. When I came up to New York, and I was frazzled and frenzied and I'm sitting in his actual chair behind
the EU be mine and I just could not get my shit together and you were so kind and you just the only highlight em when I did that, and I was so TAT was like a week. Was my dad came on and devoted to my dad, the wine Russia's devoted his dad, and it just
That's what I remember your kindness and my dad coming on and that I was so inapt in the world of rush Lamborn. It really makes to understand the skill set that he had in addition to being brainy link. Radio is that it is the most pleasing.
medium if you're chatter and its habits, the most difficult
and I do remember always miss in the hard out.
always missing the clock, always talking over people. So he thanked-
for having me on what I remember you kindly single you're in the rotation as it was then you're gonna have a but you're going to have a big loss of listeners. Give me out and we're gonna get my folks refuted here
believer. She was Mary was great cause I'll tell you one thing Mary always did, which was come prepared and Mary
new and knows. Subject matter of politics like
Nobody else. I mean this is Europe. This is I'm outta here
You saying that you and James Union will talk about politics and may be withdrawn.
the family, you don't, but you are a political
and an you you under
they politics, you know it from there
inside and the outside all other stuff. That's quoting quote in the weeds. You understand that stuff in you can talk about that stuff, but you can also talk about big picture politics and in all of that, and so that's what you brought to the table in them and that's when I know you still bring to the table Mary except I found myself because
I just this, this environment is it so ugly and uncivil, and I won't be cliche about it, but the speaking of the week,
you mentioned earlier that russian I
we were so on the same wavelength and we went through so many campaigns together that, if I
and he knows a lot about politics, as you know a lot about everything, but he wouldn't have these like blind
spot. So I would email mail and in real time
I don't know. How are you going to do this in real time? Each sort three find out of his thousand emails amenity, find the one in it in a big. Just. I just send a minute headline in the in the title or quick sentence.
where he was offered another fact to add or some pull data or something I had that he didn't know, and he seamlessly incorporated into his subsequent remarks, and it just was. I felt like we had such a study.
Team thing going on and then on the last year I I I've never seen such courage and bravery. I happen to have had health issues with contemporaneously Lee with his and some of my friends were gone,
to my friends are going through the same thing and I dont know how he got up and went to the studio. It's often as he did indeed put off this came. I mean it, people, don't it
just so unusual in this sort of animal essay, snow flaky, but this in itself
media gratification and, on
courageous and easiest way out of sight, guys that we find ourselves in a rush, showed the courage of George Wash
and I mean I can't I can't even I don't even know how he did that both you were there a minute. Just the just stunning
me and he made a huge
prince and he it I really felt like he was gonna bring it over.
the line just like he did in nineteen. Ninety four, which was amazing,
blame the ninety. Ninety four. We marked people by the way he the night, the Republicans head ban, but we had been friends for some time here. At that point, I
literally like a month after I got married, I flew out to California, for a book party is thinking quick doing. Both parties with this might have been one of the very few
books and his mother when State Milly was theirs beloved. Merely I loved her and he is
All the time that I know preceding this Republicans were wandering around in the desert for
They had been in the minority for over half a century and he became
and honorary member of the fourth Congress, because he they couldn't get there in their stay. You could see this problem today Republic and have a hard time speaking with one voice, because their speaking in to media see a brush went above that
out the first principles and how the policies of this that the new Gingrich revolution at that time was really Russia's revolution. How it how the first principles have these policies were predicated on these
first principles and everybody was shocked. We want that. No one saw this coming suffer rush. The report,
gives one the majority they won.
one that New York governor. Is that,
Jude, Rudy Giuliani, it was a complete sweep, and I can I credit and many due to and anybody who knows anything about positive. How message is delivered in penetrates good, a tribute to the victory and the fine. It's victory in the last century for Republicans to rush limbos. Ninety ninety four and I really can't colony anything else, but a campaign has other completely transformation.
act was operation. Chaos sees the hunting on politics way more than anybody whose in politics might say that that little I purple
but he had its much influence as every day operators have on politics, but in the big picture in the historical,
but there he had more influence than anybody else, that is fair to say and towards the his his let's
in the sixtys, when he and Catherine started doing the history book, he had identified the problem. The way ahead of the curve that we weren't learning history right so he's covered so,
many generations with with this unique talent of his in it. It's just. I can't even keep a train of thought when I think of him my whole brain just smiles at just lights up. I guess that's everything about him with such a special thing. He also was in real life.
this is a really main point about living. Happily in all areas that man,
and had a sense of humor. Yes, you do. He was funny in the first decade why any just with she was always so much funding could be around which the arduous dismiss them. So
James, I'm listen to and Sundays, and I mean all of us- and we were, I think you know I still have dreams. I I I miss him
I was talking with dawn the other day and don't
Listen, you know she still aspects to wake up, and just one
all of us to be back in the studio together, and it's just still really
don't mind, numbing that that that we wanted
find out. He was sick. Well, I guess I literally found outer when everybody else did, but I knew
I know I mean I just I just I don't deserve
weird, but we were telepathic connected and I knew
Something was frightened.
Before dinner when he announced it. I've just will not. I do remember not being even remotely surprise just sad
I thought he was gonna beat it. I really thought he was gonna beat it.
An eye. I he I thinking I do want to say so.
the game. Does he never had a bad day, even though he thought he did that
think how many people you know do something as long as they he did that who come to work, talk about being prepared who come to their job every day with the level of intensity and depth that he did in those days recompensed. Look yesterday. Don't think I did a good job, I let me try, I just who keeps that that debts self criticism and that self improvement and then at reaching for the stars, ah as part of their fundamental being, and he kept that on at a whole different level like a transcendent God given level,
his last year and I I could feel when he was having good days and bad days it had so screwed up his talk in not as time is looking at the clock. You know this because I never saw met many clocks as
did in that last year he was so in his zone and I'm sure he was doing it on all kinds of drugs to be
you can't just take I'm and I still, but I'd I'm never
ever seen it, and we can expect to never see that again he's our exit, excellent medical miracle.
he. He that's what I said in and I was in on one of the Earl earlier podcast. I mention how at the innovation, sometimes
She would be so exhausted, he couldn't even stand up. You can barely stand up, but he gave everything that key could into each one of those shells, and- and this was something
as you know, going into thirty three years of being ass, indicated how's the before he before he realized he was sick before he realized something was wrong. Rush was still and an even of course afterwards, but he always
Gave it his best shot, he didn't mail in he. Never male doing. He was still excited about
being on the radio. This hadn't become just a dull routine to him. This was something that he honestly did
If he was born to do and he enjoyed it, this is loved it and he gave it his best. Everything
you know, when he used to say more,
more funding than any human being should be allowed to have your town. He lived his life in Europe,
it wasn't without problems, and he overcame so many things as you and David S, brother now, and all that, but
He never even founded in when he was going through his various trials and tribulations like who doesn't animals in life, and though
trials and tribulations that he overcame that were of his own doing, took enormous courage and then so much of the things he had overcome were
sternly Ex imposed on him.
and I know in the beginning, then our everybody knows knows weariness, psycho, tie
in our social media world, but one people
to after him. I think it surprised a minute heard him in
way that heat and understand because he was his purse
was never mean, none will people ever.
He was mean there is nothing ever mean about him. Did he ever mean bonnet? I've never know no. Nor was he raises. Nor was he bigoted, nor was he all these other things that the left through on him as a means of trying to hurt him
and diminishes credibility? You know they came at him. What what we're all accused of these days? You know what
offering border. Is your racist if you live in a way,
Cameroon, is your raises, no matter what we we know all that, but they did that to him first. So, in a way he was like a punching bag. Any
nay, learning vehicle or preparation vehicle. For
All of us that our called racist at any moment
man, you know tat. He was a massage earnest in the end, he
some say he with it of terminology. That was my favorite thing.
Aye, aye law. I left the feminist is whatever way, I'm sixty aids and were kind of the same age
why could hang in with them when they said my man, a woman needs man like a bike, needs
and they turn a novel idea. Politics, instead of really equal opportunities
famine. You can't even use the word not anymore, but when he said feminine see I just to this day I crack up because it was all partly no such so portentous like they were so untouchable. When he's
in doing that, and it was any really hit the nail on the head. If I may say that a lot of feminist that took it
feminism in the wrong direction couldn't be
you know what I dont really more. I say this, but he knew TAT pour out what the essence Abed fanaticism was, as did the same with all kinds of liberal fanaticism. He understood that in it never tainted his
so all just inspired him to get people
understand not only what they were doing, what they were planning to do, but what to do about it and to keep doing it and keep doing it and keep fighting
and the other thing besides never being meet anybody. He I'm sure he had some depressed days, but you he
how many times and people call in they were crying or thereabouts to cry, or they were so forlorn or they just given up including peace.
lost their jobs and stuff, and he would just talk a back from the brink and adjust that had such a magnifying force for so many people they didn't call in
He had tell you home when I was on the road everybody everywhere. I went people ass this and you know I must have had caused more than you that I think-
member, but everybody always ask me about rush, but
What was he really like in? Was he really that good and Bob,
He really well
my mission and James, I'm having I'm having a rush, rushed through me, heat word, channeling rush right now he sing, he misses everybody and he loves. Everybody
So grave. Only really was grateful. Memory used to say.
Ah, no matter what you ve given me and no matter how much you think you ve done for me, is nothing in compared. He would tell his orders to what they did for him and how he was eternally grateful and gratified by what this audience:
had given to him and his family, and he really meant every single word of that Mary. I hope people realise how rare that is because he was completely matches rarefied at
swear, but his own level. You know he was his own level and he always believed that in it that such a rare occurrence, because I've seen too many James says my james- has two people get famous
and then start believing their own press anomalies is not merely to the right or the left. It's like everybody gets famous thinks there untouchable
they in a way they become isolated. I'm you couldn't go out with Russian when we went to Patsy's once after a tv show, you know just couldn't go anywhere with it, so it's isolating, but he he. He always stayed
genuine and knowledgeable and not angry,
The man had there's no anger that fuelled his like it does so much and in pilot
text. The man was a happy man who was born to do what he was doing and in Catherine found the love of his life, and I think it's like changed a lot
move to Florida too. That was a lot. There was a big, I don't say. Would you
have a normal kind of a normal life he could drive where he wanted to drive himself. He didn't need their people
wound him for security all the time he could have a somewhat normal life. Yes,
it wasn't a somewhat normal life because he was so surrounded himself with objects of interesting
beauty and allay wasn't in any way showy, but he wanted to share married, have the spring fling every spring of misleading be spent
its people and one year I have to invite Vince flat and they became great friends, and then he had the he between Chad, the twenty four people,
one year, and he just shared everything. He put everybody up, don't you got married? He and Catherine. You put everybody up at the at that hotel and
we had hair day. You know like we're he's just
so generous with his success and will end its biggest here.
of any body and entertainer in trying to in house that's on tightening of hosting always made everybody so happy comfortable entertained and was never a big foot about it. You know I'll take another story like that.
Right after while this is but when we were first when the White House in two thousand for- and I was then working with a light- I had too little. Babies are baby low, but I want to work with Dick Jason went back in the White House in the first thing to Jane you want to do and that this was the first party we planned at the vice president's residence was to do it in honour of rust, because Shania
stood what happened and ninety ninety Foreigny really loved rush, respected Russian in many ways got the same kind of incoming. That rush got is
Then nine eleven happened, so we had a scrap, everything has changed and I could not be in town the same time that Bush was the president was so
for continuity of government, so when we finally had it was after restarted, losing his hearing- and there was very frustrating for me- couldn't be in a crowded with two carpenters for him right was painful for him to be in the crowd and her
cochlear implant it was painful, Miss was even before is calculated thing and he was just all is trying to deal with. You know, like the hope there is another thing who else what is more important to speech, then hearing hoping communicating he never lost
his voice in every came unrecognizable, but I do remember that night. How humble
oh and moved e, he wasn't, but he couldn't really here every thinks I was sitting next on. Transit, Matt, translating inanimate, repeating everything, and I knew tart he's talk many times
some will then, at the time I'm leaving
A notary talked about their party anyhow, we wished his dad had been around to see it and-
again another instance so beloved an end so humbled and thence.
Oh, in a way he was so rarefied in in a way that every so many people in my, but it never failed to surprise and never he never took it for granted. He was always not every time he came to the White House, the man S perpetual, childlike
in wonder over things is stored in this country and people who are true public servants and eat they just he was tee and he did
Jamie had a very lovely relations, but everybody is to say. I think I need rest
for anybody else in my world needs a mere is in charge of Russia's I'm not in charge of him
Europe cannot get on Russia. Can you caress, but I never never ever call they told me. I could call for anybody
and the only one I just made a liaison with them. Then he had his own room.
Ship subsequent to the first time, was with Dick Cheney and he I think he enjoyed
Those shows, I think they enjoy each other. They did. It was
current on the year that they did because they would. You could almost feel the bond of come round to repay your perseverance here in your devotion to serve as you and your Rumsfeld, both of you have given your lives. Their country have taken all kinds of slings and arrows for it, and I just want you to know that I am at the top of the list. Among people have a great sense of appreciation for what you ve done. Well, allow Russia remain mean world flattered that you really it's it's an honor to be able to know you in, and they get no your family and your friends, and we wish you the best, Mr Vice president, keep on so,
thing marry his legacy. What is Russia's legs?
you know it's. I try to separate out myself as a friend and me
men tee. If we will, because
really was in guiding force from my personal lie. In addition to what I dissidents and inspiration, but literally like I don't want to write a book about our experience, because are you crazy one percent of the people in the world of ever done what you ve done, you owe it to them. Did do you owe it to the public to say what it's like if you're going to tell the truth, I always tell the truth. So he taught me ended to writing that book and it turns out
but not a bad writer, and I write all my stuff longhand and, as you said, I come prepared and I'm just you know. The first born girl child perfectionist
he made me do that any open up all new horizons, so there's a personal legacy for me, but his public legacy is
in addition, it what James said absolutely Trance talk about transformation. He was a transformation of force in the in the industry, but he, I think in his dreams, show him to be the this error as equivalent up like a son.
Awkward tease, you know, I know and know how I'm I'm the dumbest man in the moon had cells. I know I'm smart, as I know how much I don't know- and I am
are any- was the smartest man than I ever knew, but he
he always was seeking and explaining virtue and
essence of a representative republican Freedom is Birchwood, takes virtuous people and virtue requires, and freedom requires constant vigilance, and he, I think in the span of history it will
he will be understood by fair people by fair historians, which there are very many as a pivotal transformational, sub socratic type person, and if I give you
flash forward. He is in the modern era posting light. Many was more like Edmund Burke then rose Pierre. Do you know a key, a good rep?
Jenna controlled Revolution, an incremental revolution of a constructive revolution. He just, I think his legacy will be that he guided us through
very from the industrial age to the information age. Fair me there.
We very tricky while maintaining the principles that got us to the position that we could continue to progress
constructively and humanely
and globally. If we, if we had taken his anymore than his advisers,
wisdom of the ages and it was reality was reality I just stopped and his legacy. We will really be that honestly that transformational and I think Catherine tuna- she really brought the kind of support and structure
love and faith, and in any am that that he was always kind of not missing, but you know what she really hit them.
sweet spot in man, I'm it
That's what I want to remember about him that he found not just success. He found his true love and is true place and is
is? It is true life. He lived his past life and that's that's a legacy in and of itself merrier command. Thank you
and I am- and you know what I also want to. Thank you not just for me not just with the time you did here, but you know all of us said love rush. We thank you for being such a good, steady, wonderful friend,
to our rush. It woods mutual and hours just say this about rush, theirs
Nobody that ever was in the presence of the man ever that I know of liberals or conservatives are a political people,
didn't think he was the most gentlemanly interesting
humble informative person. They ve ever met
and that's true. The man was just used, just everything
the likes of rice, we're not gonna, see again in an information and- and I have to call you bow- he
No, he knew I dont think you could have done it without you without the whole team of forests, but you were like the his constant touchstone like do you know it everything he said
He won't take a look at your. How many times has eastward retirement this
but you don't think that you disagree with me and it was it's like he was. Never you never talk with just so cool like you. Do you know where you were and he would describe it sitting behind a good thing, and it just was that there was a beautiful relationship and, I think, a legacy.
two, because it something when some some beginner, where the length of time that he had the same key, you have to be a good person with loyalty which goes both ways to
the kind of team that he had, which you were there,
your head, I'm so we thank you both Nerli James Golden best best best for you and please let me be apart,
your life going forward. Oh yes, you know you are you know, I love you so much Marian. Thank you for everything and thank you for doing this with us, and you know
Anyway, I mean I'm still heartbroken Mary, but you know this speaking with you. It brings it smiled, it's my leg in Bristol handsome yourself too, and so I take it that we like you, he doing
you're doing- and I dont think anyone to
maintain and further Limbaugh legacy better than you, ten thousand
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