Due to the graphic nature of this killers crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes ah modifications and discussions of murder and assault that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen its April twenty. Fourth, nineteen Eighty seven, a small rural village outside of maiden the capital of nor Sumatra, Indonesia, Sugar cane field, sprinkled the tropical landscape cricket, sound locals, pray all seem to become twenty one year old, Shriek Gamala daily, a peaceful incline girl feels lost and in need of spirits or guidance whose to talk to you than the local sorcerer, the spiritual leader offered jungle, town and maiden. Surely the

sorcerer, could give her advice, saying a few healing prayers and finally cure her insecurities so. Shriek Gamala asks for a fifteen year old friend and dress to driver the far distance to the sorcerer's remote location deeper into the jungle. Shriek Gamala feels embarrassed for needing spirits or guidance, so she asks Andrea to keep this journey a secret. After her source recession, she would figure out a way back home herself. Unfortunately, undress would be the last person to see her life or Rather the last sane person to see her life within hours, she would be brutally strangled to death and buried in a sugar cane field, Three days later, all the stars aligned just right after several nights. Of heavy rain, a young farmer. Why hundred into that same sugar cane field, in search of food for its livestock, with

topsoil washed away a peculiar mound was perfectly visible and the sea. Farmer wandered closer and closer. He found shriek Emma day, wheeze naked and decomposing body. Her hands tied behind your back her throat brutally strangled to death a shocking travesty that shook this young farmer and the entire community. Yet this was just the beginning: an unthinkable wave of horror was only moments away from crashing onto the small indonesian town Sri Gamala day. We was just one of forty two girls found in this masquerade hi, I'm Gregg pulsing, and this is serial killers. Today, we're going to do

deep dive into the life of a mud, serenity and fascinating world indonesian sorcery. I'm here with my co host Vanessa, Richardson Vanessa. Licence psychologists, a psychiatrist, but she's done a lot of research for the show how everyone we like to ask a quick favour. Would you, like five star review of serial killers on your favorite podcast directory. It seems no simple, but it really helps us out and don't forget to subscribers their because a new episode comes out every Monday. You can also find us on Facebook and Instagram at PAR cast and on Twitter at PAR cast network, Now, let's get back to the case of Ahmad Sergey months urology the sorcerer from Hell admitted to killing forty two women aged seventeen, forty from the years of nineteen. Eighty six to ninety ninety seven, yet many believe seraphim may have killed even

dozens more. His maniacal murder spree all began with the bizarre dream and nineteen eighty six that lets Reggie to become a sorcerer, a mystic healer forest community, the weather may have respected him as a selfless spiritual leader Surat. She had a single goal in mind: murder, seventy women and slurp each of their saliva. After drinking the saliva of exactly seventy murdered women, he believed he would then become all powerful invincible. Serafine motives were unusual. He was also to say the least and unusual man. The following is a direct quote from strategy. We are all human beings, we have our strengths and weaknesses and, if I remember correctly, I've murdered forty two women and as we will soon discover surrounding developed an obsession with his own strengths and weaknesses throughout our decision

this murder, I hoped it deeply analyze. This quote: how is it possible murder might not remember his number of victims, disarray She view his murderous ability as a personal strength or a personal weakness in his mind. What is his weakness? Let's begin. Our examination of sir algae, with a greater understanding of exactly what it meant to be a sorcerer and Twentyth century Indonesia as well The sorcery magic play a pivotal role in developing Surat, jeez, bizarre motives, but also Seraglio used his respected status as a sorcerer as its primary method for both luring and killing as victims. Clearly, before we can analyze seraphim specific case. We must first understand much more about the role of sorcery and Indonesia's culture in general sorcery refers to black magic, wizardry and witchcraft, over a sorcerer in modern day, society would more likely be someone who claims to use magic, spells or summons Superman.

Spirits in order to cure people's problems, a sort of spiritual healer, you could say that Magics relationship with religion is a very complex subject, but yes, a sorcerer would likely to have some sort of spiritual ability to fix problems, yeah and scientific understanding in our next efforts, It will take an in depth. Look at the specific methods spells and rituals sorcerers use will see exam. Me? Why and how women believed seraphim might have fixed their problems, but for now to focus more on a broad, historical and cultural understanding of how sorcery impacted surgeries background sorcery is clearly not prevalent in western culture, so makes sense that sorcery more greatly affected strategy as a family lived in rural Indonesia and For numerous reasons, the role of spirituality and magic has a long history and Indonesia greater than and other asian cultures, Indonesia,

sorcery, primarily stemmed from the Java region. One of the large indonesian islands. Worse Rogers families from that's right Java is made up of agricultural areas and, as most japanese people are historically farmers, they were greatly influenced, indigenous farming rituals to attempt to control whether and natural disasters without a scientist understanding of nature. Javanese people were also very superstitious occurrences like a drought. Now be explained through environmental sciences, but an historic job, they relied on mystical explanations and witchcraft so than those spiritual based. Farming rituals naturally impacted the mindset in future culture of the job in these people. These indigenous practices in a sense lead to an increased belief in magic based healing I can a persona exactly a blend of several religions is another factor that increase the presence of spirituality and magic in Indonesia. One of the primary historic

regions of the Java region was known as the above gone religion, which was mostly violent in the so called peasant class. This religion blend indigenous polytheistic beliefs, with aspects of Hinduism, Islam and Buddhism. Most him, fortunately, for our understanding, this upon gone. Religion preached that natural spirit live throughout our environment and that a sorcerers magical ability can channel these spirits and cure people's problems another, very similar term for sorcerer is showman shamans called Do corn in Indonesia claimed to channel trend in dental energy and spirits down into our physical world in order to increase healing both shop. And sorcerers you some sort of magic or spirituality to heal people's problems and both were trusted and respected members of society, but wait exactly

our common was all this magic based healing. Did the majority of indonesian people engage in it in general, belief in magic healing was very common in Indonesia, back in the seventies and eighties he's each individual obviously believed in the power of spiritual healing to varying degrees. So there are not known exact percentages of people who participated in spiritual healing, however, magic stealing was popular enough in Indonesia that more than fifty people and so reduce small village, actively sought him out Current indonesian shamans claim to hear from desiring patients every single day, oftentimes Sherman sorcerers or even used in conjunction with modern doctors, so in other words, spiritual was very much a part of mainstream culture in Indonesia. Exactly spiritual healing was not some crazy radical idea that only affected a few people, magic and virtuality is deeply ingrained in indonesian culture, with greater address

serafine world, let's dived, into his disturbed childhood. We just heard how prevalence or serene chauvinism based magic practices were in Indonesia in the mid twentieth century, but sorcery first made its way into sororities life. In his early childhood syringes, father worked as a subsistence farmer and, more significantly, a local sorcerer. It's worth noting that the official record keeping in Indonesia was not up to power in the mid twentieth century. Since some of the facts surrounding sororities childhood in family life, our bit mysterious. In fact, several reputable new sources have even reported Sarai having different birth dates some say January, tenth, one thousand nine hundred and forty nine. While others reported December 12th, one thousand nine hundred and fifty two. We will see how Indonesia's lack of institutional organization affected, siraji future crimes. His ability to

under the radar and even the bizarre aftermath of his arrest. Nevertheless, we can be sure: that's Roger S, father had a great influence on his life most significantly, thereby ports, that's Rogers source were father was abusive Chissano as a young child. That's hardly pricing to hear that a serial killer was abused as a child, as we ve discovered time and time again. Many sir he'll killers, suffered traumatic childhoods. It has also been said that seraphim face frequent bullying ass, a child from his peers, the combination of his fathers. Use and peer bullying likely Leds Roger to feel deeply week to have a low self esteem. This shit, he tied into his motive to kill women and drink there, saliva in sir, Do you mind if he could slurp the saliva of seventy dead women? He would be good did an invincible superpower the ability to never get hurt someone who's so desperately wants to be invincible,

Is likely someone who is also felt much pain in their past? Yes, oftentimes, p, Those most obsessive goals are a sign of their due best in securities and not only did Roger, seek power and respect through this imagines. Superhuman invincibility, but he'd also eventually strive to be respected leader in its time, unfortunately, being a beloved spiritual, healer forest community would not be enough to overcome his childhood trauma, he'd, eventually search for power in a much more harmful way too, but first Vanessa there's something else. I'm curious about relating to his father. If Surat his father was abusive and clearly not a good role model that I find it interesting that Sarai ultimately copied is. Others profession and became a sorcerer will return to our story in just a moment. High its Gregson vanessa- and we have some good news for all of our incredible cults listeners as it. Thank you for your

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common than you might think. According to Yale psychology Study, thirty percent of abuse, children will go on to abuse their own children. It's rather predictable for any child to mimic their parents behaviour lives, similar future lives as them. We learn but the world through watching our parents, though severely abuse children and clear, have more incentive to drastically change lifestyles. It, unfortunately, is not always the case. So, what's wrong, this case, even though we may have suffered much torment from his own father, Sergey still If admired him in other realms and sought a similar career and in a perverted sense. Perhaps it was his father's abuse that even further pushed Sgi into following in his sorcery footsteps, maybe Sergey felt so damaged by his father that he subconsciously sought to cure his pain by finally winning his fathers google, if he followed all of his father's bizarre advice, if you like A very similar lifestyle and career is his father, maybe his father

would finally love him or stop his abuse. That makes us clearly sororities eventual vision to become a sorcerer was closely tied into his complex relationship to his father. His relationship with his mothers are teak was perhaps less tumultuous, but also a bit peculiar. So cheek was a housewife devoted to Islam. Even late into strategies, life saw teak seemed preoccupied with his son following her version of Islam, including who he was allowed to marry under her personal into rotation of Islam. She viewed polygamy as acceptable, except in the case of a man marrying women who are sisters. This is obvious: that Sir Rogers mother followed her own understanding of islamic teachings with a very detailed fine tuned lens. This, though, brings about an interesting question: how exactly did

Islam and sorcery mesh in Indonesia and the mid twentieth century. How might that of work for syringes father to be a magic using sorcerer and his mother to be a devout Muslim, firstly, it is important to note that religious beliefs often very quite drastically between countries and cultures, so any information provided about Islam, that is specific. Disarranges culture is likely different than most customs around the world great point and today will be focusing unjust, chauvinist rooted Islam, the subset that affected Seraphim life in Indonesia, In fact, Indonesia has a larger muslim population than any other country in the world with about eighty seven per send of Indonesian currently identifying as Muslim regarding the juxtaposed

of sorcery and Islam that's a complex subject. According to most Islam, Ec Scholars, sorcery is actually entirely forbidden by Islam. So how did Sir August parents navigate their conflict? A devout Muslim and a practising source word don't sell. Traditionally go together. Well, there are variations of most religions that include more magical and mystical elements, whether it be christian and mysticism more jewish Kabila, so leads some Muslims, especially insarov Jeez parents, home and Java believe in it islamic mysticism. As we briefly discuss the ancient javanese people were highly animistic, believing that Everything has a spiritual soul, so, in the mid twentieth tree. These more mystic magic based beliefs, blended with Islam, so most likely syringe his whole family identified as Muslim, but practice a sort of mixed Islam and ancient mystic spirituality. Unfortunately, we cannot be one hundred percent.

Sure of House Rogers mother felt about her husband and son sorcery. It does seem most likely that their belief systems blended together either way. It seems that Raji was more greatly influenced by his abusive, mystical father than his seemingly docile islamic mother, but Siraji wasn't just influenced by his parents as an adolescent. He became involved with the worst group of pierced. The following quote about seraji is from Seroogy's childhood neighbor. I was here since one thousand nine hundred and sixty two. We grew up together and even played when we were kids. However, he started to grow evil evil in the sense that he committed thefts and got into fights and quote after facing his father's abuse and troubled psyche. Seraji eventually ran away from home,

on his own. He had defend for himself and find a place in a world that seemed increasingly cruel by the time he was only nineteen years old. He became so unhinged that he engaged in frequent theft and violent behaviour. This would eventually led to his arrest and a ten year prison sentence. After he was released at age thirty one. He briefly became a cattle breeders. However, he would soon be jailed once again for cattle theft. This would unfortunately be his last time in prison before is rampant. Murderous pre began as we discussed in previous episodes, most serial killers dabble in increasingly serious crimes before murder, it's very common for serial killers to be violent, children and lawbreaking young adults However, it's interesting that sorority was specifically caught and arrested on two separate occasions. Many no,

we'll serial killers may have committed early crimes, but they avoided capture, especially in America, if a man was previously jailed for violent crime. He would more light we began in investigators watch list by the time of his murderers. One would think that seraglio, previously violet criminal would surely have been a possible suspect when dozens of women disappeared from us while town. However, as we ve seen the record keeping in Indonesia was not always quite up to par and as Seraphim simply developed a new persona. He clearly went unnoticed by authorities. He was able to hide. Is criminal passed ass. He became such a trusted and respected leader in his community. I'm wondering how you think this present time might have affected him. Prison affects each individual differently, while prison might reform some criminals. It clearly did not reform Sgi, who became a mass serial killer soon after leaving jail. If we d sect sir

Jeez apparent in securities and childhood. The effect of his prison time might become clearer. We know that Sir Roger had trouble childhood in which two faced abuse. We can also deduce that he said from feeling powerless and weak throughout most of his life, so We can ask ourselves how those insecurities might have been either heightened or amended in prison. It seems rather clear that they were only heightened in prison from just looking at Reggie he's, not a big guy. He's small and very thin its doubtful that he found power in Greece, while in jail. Yes, he was likely surrounded by more negative influences, I'd past late that he was only made to feel weaker and smaller in prison, perhaps even experienced further bullying. If you will maybe his prison time was the straw that broke the camel's back. Maybe this final experience of feeling powerless and breakable is what led him to seek ultimate power by killing innocent women

though prison was meant to reform him or at the least, keep him away from society. It did just the opposite. It certainly an interesting theory. Are there their notable serial killers spent time in jail right before their murder spree. Yes, the most notorious one would be Charles Manson, occult leader who led the murdering of seven people in nineteen sixty nine. But before creating his murderous, commune man, since similarly had a tumultuous childhood in which he actually faced juvenile detention and jail several times before his mass murdering at the age of thirteen. He committed us. Ring of burglaries and ended up at a juvenile detention centre, a jail for kids and teens there. He claims that other inmates brutalized him sexually until he eventually escaped. Did this terrible experience in prison, possibly also factor into his future desired murder? Will it's hard to be exactly sure what leads anyone to commit such atrocities, but increased trot

in one's childhood, certainly doesn't help their future psyche, and this wouldn't be the end of Manson's jail time. He would soon return to prison for crimes including transporting stolen cars, failing to appear at court and forging checks by his release. In March of nineteen sixty seven Manson, a thirty two year old man had spent over sixteen. Years in prison and other similar institutions and his murder spree began two years after his release. Did nineteen sixty nine that's right with more than half of his rather young life spent behind bars. He clearly learned about the world from other criminals. His peers were consistently poor influences, though we can't necessarily blame prison. For turning him into a monster. His repeated prison time clearly did not reform him or teach him to be a better person and significantly he was during his time. Prison that Manson developed his religious philosophy? It was these ideas

He would eventually preach to his group of murderous followers, known as the mats and family. Clearly similarities between these two killers. Not only did they spend much their early years in prison for theft, but they also both started murdering soon after their release from prison, and through their murderous breeze, were somewhat cult like Manson created a queen thy commune of murderers who followed his rogue ideas about religion and spiritual philosophy. And those seraglio didn't exactly created called. He was similarly driven by Tsar spiritual goals, and he also used cult like rituals to gain followers and thinking about both of these killers, who clearly did not benefit from time in jail in their youth wondering is there any more effective way society can prevent the development of serial killers. A better way of assessing when people should be released from jail

Clearly Surat, you should not have been allowed back into society, but there are all sorts of theories about how to best deter violent crime. In my opinion, there's nothing. Anyone could do to entirely prevent the problem of serial killers. However, it certainly couldn't hurt, to make society more aware of early warning signs like causing harm to animals precisely and then having increased mental health resources for parents and children. It certainly makes sense to help it disturbed child before he reaches a breaking point. Surat jeez breaking point seemed to come soon after his release from prison when he was still in its early thirties, to start a new life after his release, Sgi felt lost. He soon move to North Sumatra, deep into the jungles there? He began training in sorcery, will return to our story in just a moment now. The story continues

months Rogers years, training at the North Sumatra jungles remain largely mysterious. Unfortunately, there no known documentation of his time there, and we do not know exactly who trained him off how we learn sorcery but Vanessa, how sorcerers and chairman's usually trained well, firstly, in words to all sorcerers and Germans. There isn't a single method of training each sorcerer, uses his own highly varying array of methods and there's not a single school of thought or textbook. The teaches them, given that some shamans are trained in physical health practices. Biscuit include, midwifery, puncture and massage therapy, so they wouldn't be given scientific medical training per se, but instead they might learn the most effective places massage someone and various home remedy style methods of massaging these physical healing practices might, So be combined with more spiritual theories of the body, for example, may be massaging someone's foot will alleviate pain in her stomach

Shamans often learn these physical techniques from apprenticeships, with more experienced chairman's and by simply find themselves since they're not actually providing any medical surgeries or diagnoses. They can learn trial and error and Homelight one learn, magic spell said, rituals involved, sorcery spirituality rituals seem to be a bit more. Common was Rogers practice. Then, with the physical aspects of communism, in order to become a spiritual, sorcerer or Sherman? It is first necessary to have a specific spiritual make up, in other words, one already be a spiritual person who, more or less has an instinctive all sense of magic in the world over the seems rather subjective. Any person could claim to have the spiritual make up as a westerner I would agree, but if we fully by into the practice of

sorcery. The indonesian teachings would tell us that there are certain individuals were born, simply better suited to channel spirits than others. So once someone accepts that their naturally connected with the spirits of they would like to learn to be a professional sorcerer, what do they do? Next They would most likely be trained by a senior do. Corn and older and wiser showman, who act as a teacher leader and role model. Sorcerers training vastly differs, but it might include extensive meditation fat sting and repetitive chanting? All of these practices help to foster and focused spirits within each sorcerer, helping them to better stand themselves and the world around them with this clarity source Yours could then be more helpful in giving their patients advice and guidance vessels rational, and similar to Hell. Some buddhist monks and other religious leaders are trained. That's true. The difference exists in the discussion. Of magic and spirits that a sorcerer would have with his senior do coon, whereas a training Buddhist

on my discuss human suffering and self awareness, a training is more likely to discuss how magical spirits impact their emotions and physical feelings. Also there chance and prayers would be more about channeling spirits and less about a single deity and in some cases sorcery might even digest special herbal medicines and potions that are believed to increase their potential for magic since Roger spent. The majority of his young adult life with little to no connection too magic, it seems more likely that is training would include some sort of this herbal medicine, though we may not know much but the specifics of Syracuse training. We do know that he has said this quote. No, I did not learn source free from any one else, but my father end quote and again we face the question of his bizarre relationship with father, clearly his father acted as senior do coon in guiding him throughout his spirits training. We don't know how long his father

guided him or how his father explicitly taught him. However, its the less fascinating that it claims all the spiritual understanding came from the man that abused him. This also about the interesting question of the true motives behind why he became a sorcerer in the first place. Did he these plan on using sorcery as a sort of ruse to murder women was we're sorry initially, just a new way for him to make money for so a new sort of con that wooden land and back in prison, or was it in fact a Jew? you an interest spawned from his desire to please his father and final when his approval, or we can never No those answers for sure. It does seem to me that a month's heresies desire to learn sorcery stem from a genuine place for whatever disturb reason. He admired his abuse of father and seem to want to start a new life after his prison sentence, making The illegally had clearly not worked for him in the past, so it makes sense

He resorted to the one lucrative and legal career he had experienced his father's sorcery and he eventually does source retraining in the jungle to return to his home town in Maiden Indonesia, for the next few years, He lived a seemingly normal life as a farmer part time. He spent the rest of his time offering a sir so as a sorcerer to his neighbors. People soon believed that he was a brilliant sorcerer and with a great ability to heal their problems. Word of his powers quickly spread through his community and he became increasingly busy eventually with reportedly steady stream of clients, even local businessmen and government agents came to see Sir Archie. Now, where respected leader of his rural community, it's rather surprising how he managed to appear to make such a turnaround after prison. It's amazing that could convince his community that he was so reformed. He was previously and aggressive and troubled thief, who spent more than a decade behind bars.

That would not exactly strike. Everyone is a man who would make a great spiritual leader in society. That's a good point. So how do you suppose you convince so many people well for one. We know that many serial killers are experts at appearing normal. Whether there can seeing dozens of future victims to trust them or spending years, avoiding capture Syria killers and sociopaths tend to be me. Asked her manipulators. Sergey was no different and we cannot be entirely Europe's Roger himself believed that he had magic powers to heal people or if it was all a simple con, but regardless he clearly was very successful and convincing those around him that he did have powers. One way that these serial killer, strive to appear normal is by maintaining normal family lives and a nice persona in their communities, and during this period between his prison time at his murder, spree Sgi did get married. In fact, he married three women at the same time, out of its not surprising enough, all three

These women were sisters. Polygamy was actually not uncommon and Indonesia. It is still too today, however, Mary women who are all sisters, was abnormal in a rare public interviews Jeez mother had much to say about this quote. I wouldn't forbid him to marry two three four five women, but not women who is siblings as a Muslim. He shouldn't have done so we advised him three times, but he was still unrepentant. End quote, I must say it is a bit odd that are only comments made ice, Roger S, mother, we're about her disapproval over his marriages, not about as mass murders, but more like. Be shed on his marriages next week will learn more about how all three of syringes, wives would actually be accomplices to his brutal murders will also finally here about the bizarre dream that lead to syringes horrific killing spree will hear from Sgi himself about it.

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