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S2 Ep. 1: Deal or No Deal


For 11 hours, Monica Lewinsky faced off against federal prosecutors who wanted her to help them take down the president and threatened her with decades in jail.

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Monica Lewinsky didn't know it, but her lunch meeting with Linda Trip was never gonna happen. Lewinsky was waiting for trip. Food court inside a shopping mall in Pentagon City Virginia just outside Washington DC typical, suburban mall brightly lit with a movie theater a Macy's and white tiles and the floor Lewinsky come from the gym. She was still in her Besides close, and she was reading a magazine or she waited for her friend. It was Friday January, sixteenth. Ninety ninety eight Lewinsky was twenty four years old about two years earlier should become involved in a precarious relationship with the president of the United States as see you later told her biographer. Her relationship with Bill Clinton had come to overwhelmed her life. She found it hard to think about anything else. Standing there, the Pentagon City, mall, Lewinsky, look from magazine and she saw in the trip heading towards her and an escalator sudden
She gestures. Let me Linda troop was coming down on the escalator and gestures towards men behind her, that's journalist Adler. She wrote about nickel and what happened to her on this day in ninety ninety eight prevent fair and the early times, and suddenly, these guys apprehended and they keep saying that she's already in steep trouble with the law and can only get more steep unless she does, as they ask the tumor who approached Lewinsky were wearing dark, suits and carrying badges they said there with the FBI attorney general of the United States. It authorised the criminal investigation into her actions, the FBI, its invited Lewinsky to follow them to a room in a near by writs Carlton Hotel, deleted. The Wednesday that she was not under arrest and was freely any time she agreed to go with him later. She said she went because she wanted to protect the president that she was thinking. I have to fix this.
As the scene in the food court unfolded. Linda trip had to give Lewinsky hug Monica. This is for your own good. She said just listen to them same thing to me. Legs much of a trip had said Lewinsky. That was a lie. While I was working on the show, I discovered that Not everyone knows who Linda Trip is: twenty years ago, It was a world famous supervillain Her name is synonymous with treachery and manipulation trip workers. Officers Monica Lewinsky for much one thousand nine hundred and ninety six one thousand nine hundred and ninety seven. During that time. Lewinsky's spilled her guts to our colleagues about the affair. She was having with Clim eventual trip started, recording her conversations with Lewinsky and then after making fake lunch plans with her the Pentagon city, mall trip delivered her friend the FBI. The agents led Lewinsky the tenth floor of the Brits Carl them into room one. Ten twelve
the standard unit furnished with a dresser a television set a bed in a chair, Lewinsky met two men from the office of the independent council. One of them was a prosecutor. Bruce you'd off the only thing new about Monica was from the tapes than we had heard her voice, but didn't know what to expect how she was gonna behave or act or anything with that she was not gonna, be a very submissive person, but we were are prepared for personality and what happened at all when she got there, you don't, colleagues were working for, can star the independent council. Investigating Clinton for more than three years. They were there to put money Hulu Lewinsky in a brace. That's a prosecutors call it when it confront appetite. Witness in a criminal probe at it you were something Lewinsky had written a song. After affidavit, which you claim that she had no had a sexual relationship with Bill Clinton. The point of pudding
and the brace was to scare her in telling the truth and to convince her too can star go after the person. He was really interested in the president, so they take her into and they say you ve created a crime, you sign a force affidavit and it puts means trouble, You may go to jail for twenty seven years you'd all colleagues, just a delusion that you could make some of that prison time go away. If she agreed to work stars office. All she had to do was take part in it. Recover operation designed to catch the president committing a crime. Monica Lewinsky had a choice to make tricky collapse with a star investigation, or remain loyal to the president and risk decades. Long prison sentence on January, sixteenth ninety ninety eight,
Whiskey Wade that choice for eleven mind bending hours. It was a choice that would set the course for the rest of her life and also put the fate of the Clinton presidency on her shoulders is slow burn. I'm your host Leon Nathan and a long history of the american presidency. There's never been anything like this sacks flies and constitutional duty to these kinds of issues are not private. Member's Congress is Roger to overthrow the commander in chief. What has happened in this town? Where is the decent over the next two months? I'll be your guide everything you never knew, but Impeachment Bill Clinton How did a turbulent series of sexual encounters between the president and a White house in turn go from being a secret when all consuming national obsession, how ensuing scandal, change our politics and shape the world. We live in now. What Americans think about talk about, they were forced to pick sides
what are they miss in the process? episode, one deal or no deal. When Bruce you'd off joined the independent councils office in MID ninety ninety seven can start restoration was focused almost entirely on money. Star was interested in this. Its financial history, specifically something called whitewash The Arkansas real estate deal that has dog president and MRS Clinton since they arrived in Washington. The special prosecutor has been looking into this case. You don't. Forty six years old when he was recruited to join a starting. It was an accomplice. Investigator he built up an impressive record after public corruption in Florida. The lawyers. Working for star are some of the toughest prosecutors in the nation, Bruce you'd all nail more than a dozen judges mayors and cops for corruption. While you S attorney in Miami most of the politicians, you'd off when, after in Florida, we're Democrats guilty, but you don't
We join up with star for partisan reasons or because you wanted to get Bill Clinton. You'd offered a Democrat himself. He had voted for. The president would attracted him to the star probe with us. Eggs. I need to work on a case involving allegations of corruption, part of the President United States a me it doesn't. You're looking have an impact doesn't get more impact following that the within, six months of you'd offs arrival in Washington star? team had received an astonishing tip from Linda trip. It caused destination to swerve into questions of presidential adultery and deception. You'd off was sceptical about this new direction. You may I went up there for expecting do investigate the president's involvement relation mob met in a real, a deal that had basically a white collar investigation. This not miss something I signed up for and snapped not something that I feel terribly good
bout you'd off wasn't crazy about the idea of putting Lewinsky and embrace, although he mostly kept his doubts to himself Some of the more hard charging prosecutors in the team already thought he was a softy. Later they put up a joke Chart on the wall there office where he was labeled Commie wimp you'd have suggested that it wasn't a good idea to confront Lewinsky with a group of men and women All that none of the women in the office were available. You'd office in his mid sixties, now He lives outside Fort Lauderdale and works with a white collar defence attorney and he has, hard time talking about the Monica Lewinsky investigation. When I spoke to his office earlier this year, the space would toggle between Friendly Cautious and agonized any fidgeted with any small object. You'd get his hands on as he answer my questions, There were times when you'd offered, stop and think for a full ten seconds searching for the right words. His case. Bobby Monica Lewinsky
should have been dead on arrival, and serve no useful purpose. You'd off, really hates that the Clinton Lewinsky investigation happened. He hates would put the country through any hates thinking back on that long tumultuous day in the Ritz Carlton Hotel and kick started. The whole thing Monica Lewinsky that afternoon you'd all saw young woman dressed in spandex, and a teacher Fighting back tears and biting her fingernails. Prosecutors in the office of the Independent Council referred to the January, tenth Lewinsky operation as prom night Bruce you'd off, despite his reputation as a dove, was one of the two attorneys in charge of persuading Lewinsky too The other was a prosecutor from LOS Angeles in Michael ethnic Hammock who died in two thousand fifteen
was known in the office is something of a charmer. Here's reporter Susan Schmidt who corridor About the star investigation called truth at any cost. He was you know, the nice guy in the office very good, looking guy very Isabel Schmidt covered the White House for the Washington Post. In fact, you helped right the first major newspaper story about Lewinsky a few days after This happened, other people wearing, next room listening and down the hall, you know so it was very carefully thought through it all went haywire very quickly. The first mistake came FBI agents who brought Lewinsky. Came when the FBI agents, who brought Lewinsky into the hotel room for some reason, allowed Linda tripped, join everyone inside Lewinsky who under Immediately the trip and betrayed her stared at her former and with rage and her eyes before someone finally thought to get Europe out of the room.
Lewinsky remember saying, saying: maker stay and watch. I want that treacherous bitch to see which has done me speaking. The soft even vote Emily explains, explained Lewinsky why the independent Council office had summoned her. It had to do lawsuit. He said: of sexual harassment, lawsuit that had been filed in nineteen. Ninety four by women in Polish Jones. Lewinsky knew all about it. There has been a legal cloud over the Clinton administration ever since Arkansas Native Paula Jones made sexual harassment allegations against the present Polly Jones, a former Arkansas clerical worker, who claims that she was set They harassed by the president. How damn? If you hear more about Jones story in future episodes short version is that she worked for the state of Arkansas. Booklet was Governor Jones judges that in nineteen ninety one, then Governor Clinton Lord her to a private room at this little Rocco Del during estate conference in May unwanted sexual, advancing. Usually
to understand about how all this fits together. Basically three, separate, storylines converged, put built. This presidency in peril. The first was: can stars investigation into the Clinton's financial history and white wire. The president's is tat. A special prosecutor cannot stars white water investigate. The second was Polish Jones. Is sexual harassment suit Hollow Jones? Sexual misconduct? Allegations against President Clinton continue to wreak havoc among members of the White House staff. The third was Clinton's relationship, but Monica Lewinsky, we'll traced the origins, these three threads later in the series I'll- just say that they started coming together in the fall of nineteen. Ninety seven apologizes lawyers found out the Clinton was carrying on a secret relationship with the former White House. In turn. For Jonas, team that made Lewinsky a very useful witness if she testified that shit, on an affair with Clinton. While
working in the White House. You'd help establish that he had a habit of pursuing his female subordinates a pattern of behaviour that would make Jones harassment claim more credible, and so on December 19th ninety ninety seven Jones is low serve Lewinsky with a subpoena Responded by signing a sworn affidavit which she denied having a sexual relationship with Clinton and stated it always behaved appropriately in her presence, not long after and Stars office learned about Monica Lewinsky and the false affidavit she had signed. That affidavit and leverage over her and that's how she herself being marketed no pending on city hotel room by the FBI. If you're looking to reduce unnecessary trips out and trying to
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allies. She had set me up as to FBI agents flash their badges at me. That's Monica Lewinsky. Speaking on stage at a Forbes event in two thousand fourteen Lewinsky declined to be interviewed for this podcast, she's only spoken publicly about her ordeal and a handful of occasions, pretty bunch time she has talked about it. She has made a point describing the fear she felt on January, sixteenth. Ninety ninety eight: I was ninety wait up to twenty seven years in jail, for denying the affair in an affidavit and other alleged crimes twenty seven years when you're, only twenty four yourself, that's a long time might Emily. The nice guy and Stars team told Lewinsky There is evidence that she committed perjury witnessed hampering and obstruction of justice
but she had not only lied and her affidavit, but she had encouraged other people, including Linda Trip to lie in her behalf, did Lewinsky commit these crimes. Technically, might have look. I can have empathy for someone as a human being and at anybody can but which it was wrong and she got caught. This is attorney Do you ve been hack? He served in the star team. Prosecutor alongside Bruce you'd off and MIKE Chemic. He passed through room ten, twelve, so times and January sixteenth. So she was conferred did with her conduct by federal prosecutors. Fbi agent. And in no uncertain terms MIKE and Bruce under that she had violate the law and that those criminal case that made against her readily. Again, all that may be technically true but in reality no jury was ever going to convict a twenty four year old woman for lying about it Culture affair when the hardliners on can stars team at the notice.
Plus they knew they didn't have much evidence on the here's you'd at that particular point. It was not necessarily known to us that this relationship was not a figment. A young impressionable girls, mind the lack of but he didn't stop the prosecutors from telling Lewinsky that she faced grave consequences unless she agreed cooperate with them. They told you that want to make a deal. You'd have to move fast because Oh, you, as a witness would only go down. Lewinsky had a gas as to why The prosecutors were in such a hurry. Believing There has never been anything quite like it before a president of the United States in the same room with a woman who has accused him of sexual harassment as Lewinsky in just about No one else. In America, New Bill Clinton was set give a deposition. The Polish Jones lawsuit the following day, Jones's lawyers, we're gonna, ask linen all kinds of intimate questions about his personal life. It was a very big deal,
this is a historic first. Never before has a sitting president's heading, have sworn testimony in a court case where he is, the defendant happens tomorrow morning in Washington. Lewinsky was right at the start. The quarters were aware of kittens deposition when it decided to say you'll prom night for the day before, given that Lewinsky's was an apology ones. Witness list start pretty sure that Clinton would be asked about the affair and seemed likely that would lie about it here again. As Rapporteur, who Schmidt The star people were thinking, just let him go into the deposition and he's free to tell the truth or not. If he's gonna lie, you know so be it couldn't deposition was one thing hanging over the proceedings in room. Ten twelve but prosecutors had another reason to try to hurry things along a reporter from Newsweek was ready to publish an article saying, STAR, is looking into her affair with the president, the rapporteur had reached to the star team, and he told them His peace will be going to press that weekend
as wanted to secure Lewinsky's cooperation before that happened, because once her was out in the world should be If it can we less useful to them as a witness, what would cooperation look like First Lewinsky would tell the prosecutors everything about her relationship with clear and How to agree to testify about it. Under of that was the easy part. The prosecutors also wanted her to wear a wire. Is Lewinsky understood it permission, to carry out controlled calls to cleanse associates his friend Vernon Jordan and his personal secretary, Betty Curry and possibly the president himself. The goal was for Lewinsky to get confirmation on tape. The Clinton and his cronies had lie under oath. In response to questions from. Joneses lawyers, She heard a mixed pitch. Lewinsky panicked should begin shake
Stopping sobbing so loudly that a member of stars team could hear her from the hallway virtues, hatch, I thought you was intimidated. I thought she was angry. I thought confused. The term she seemed Mr Lewinsky cried out. Her. Life was ruined, and she wondered allowed. But what would happen if you threw herself at the window? Hears Adler again, there's these geyser official geyser, saying to her. We have enough to send you to jail. I mean date, you say that to anybody there going to be terrified, I mean who would not be scared by that? about two hours into prom night when you said she needed to call her mom by this point. Starting to look like MIKE annexed good cop approach wasn't going to work to ratchet up the pressure one of the starting Combative prosecutors came into the room and told Lewinsky to knock off at the decisiveness with members, him telling her Monica we
you're, smart you're twenty four years old, to call your mommy but Lewinsky insisted the stars guys wanted her to make a deal. Make up her mind unheard terms. Lewinsky's mother Marshall Louis lived in New York. It happened. She was something of an aspiring gossip columnist. She had even published a juicy book about world of opera, called the private am of the three tenors four months Louis had been, during let her daughters relationship with the president. It worried her when she picked the phone and heard Lewinsky say through tears, ass. She was in trouble. The FBI Louis. It should be in the next train to Washington the train right. Take at least three and a half hours. In the meantime, all the occupants of room, tat, I can do is wait. Soon. The tension in the room gave way to boredom and restlessness somewhat for another tv watching
some Ethel Merman movie because every channel had cop shows and Emily. Didn't want her to see these cops shows because they all involve snitch is he was thinking that that gun it? You know queer. Their efforts. Cooperation as evening fell He told the prosecutors. She was feeling claustrophobic and she wanted to stretch your legs. By making one of the FBI agents agreed to accompany her back to the Pentagon. City mall wander around a bit and get some semblance of fresh air, and so the three of them went helping the first upon. The excursion was crate and barrel. We're Lewinsky, the household goods to lighten the mood by cracking jokes, it was a very strange juxtaposition of this sort of
bristling law enforcement operation going on you know upstairs, and then this care. Free young browsing and Creighton barrel cause they were waiting for her mother. Taking hours after cretin barrel Lewinsky such immunity, the bathroom Jihad, and the FBI agent waited for, and the FBI agent waited for her of their sight, and she was out of their sight lines. She did something bold. She went pay phone and dial the number for Clinton Secretary Betty, curry, curry was one of the two people start security wanted one to set up, but Lewinsky thought of curry is an ally, she could get her on the phone call. We could then get a message to Clinton and why, name about star, so you wouldn't Purging himself is deposition the next day the Lucy put it later Betty was the only one that I knew. I could call for two seconds and say something cryptically that I knew would get to the president but his favorite. Betty Curried, didn't answer the phone that day looking
How can that moment? It's hard, not to wonder how everything might have turned out. She had curry, had told They can start knew about the affair. Would you ve told the truth is deposition the next day and avoided the accusation of perjury, but heard did not pick up and so Lewinsky deflated met back up with hammock and the FBI agent. By this point it was almost seven o clock. We're still more time to kill and everyone was getting hungry tree got dinner at a restaurant at the mall called mozzarella american grill, while Eight Lewinsky asked Emma to explain one more time why she was twenty seven years in prison. He kicked off. The crimes should be charged with on his fingers. Perjury obstruction of justice witnessed happened, Unusual, it would be for the federal government to prosecute someone for covering up in a fair and a civil loss it at the end of the meal. Lewinsky made a point of paying for her.
At the end of the meal. Lewinsky made a point of paying for her own food as, if to say, but you didn't want to be in a prosecutors debt. Then the group- back to the hotel room and watch some more tv. Finally, The latter can be a woman in a rang. The Doorbell Lewinsky's mother had arrived. The first thing Marcia Louis did after she got to the Ritz Carlton was Hug her daughter, the two of them went into the hallway. Were they spoke alone for a few short minutes Can't do this Lewinsky, remember, saying can't wear wire account. Can't recorder phone calls, Steve been hack, one of stars prosecutors, call snippet of the conversation, happen. I walked out in the hallway, while Monica and when her mother were talking, and I overheard Monica mom, say two Monica you gonna tell me for everything they need to now. I'm gonna be done with this And Monica said I am not
The person who brings down the presently I've sent the prosecutors told Louis that, if her daughter cooperated We are prepared to grant her immunity, meaning oh charges would be filed against her and she wouldn't face any prison time. Louis listened, but didn't feel sure that she could trust the prosecutors If they wanted to talk about a deal, she said they would have to speak to her Ex husband, Monica Father from you'd, often annex perspective this was yet another obstacle to getting the deal done quickly and uncleanly as Louis Ex husband in California in briefed him on the situation, The prosecutors began to accept the Lewinsky was not going to flip before the end of the night. You didn't, have to be a sphere to know where this was heading. This was gonna, be one you max. Lewinsky's father put his daughter in touch with a family lawyer who specialised in medical malpractice law on lawyer got off the phone with my comic. He told him
I would not be making an immunity deal with anybody at least not yet, then told Lewinsky and her mother to go home. So that's why they did more than eleven hours after Lewinsky was first approached me: food court. She and what's got into Lewinsky's Suv and drove to her apartment Happened to exclude the Watergate Complex in Nepal, owned by her mother, not far from Richard next. Team of burglars broke into the Democratic National Committee headquarters. Nineteen, seventy two Lewinsky later, recalled worrying that her apartment might be bugged. For second, she he talked about, maybe fleeing the country. They rule it out because they figured I'd, be stopped at the airport Lou. He said she wanted to try to call bakery again tat. You could one Clinton about what was happening. Louis made, her daughter, promised that she wouldn't, when they got home Louis was so worried that her daughter would try to hurt herself, but she made
leave the bathroom door open while she took a shower. Meanwhile, can stars prosecutors wallet the feet. They were extremely depressed. At the end of the night, they felt like their whole plan had failed. I mean she got away, they didn't the deal, the deposition, The next morning- and they came so close Emily was cursing himself and so upset that he had not. Close the deal? I just don't think they expected it to go the way it did in the end January sixteen could have turned out a lot worse for the prosecutors one thing. They manage to keep their investigation under wraps into after cleanse deposition when politicians as lawyers, ask about Lewinsky. He lied just like the hardline and starts team, I suspected he would but Lewinsky's refusal to walk right into where wire meant that the office
the independent council would have to spend months trying to prove that the internet, the president, actually did have an affair. They would you scores of witnesses, dig through phone records and pour over Whitehouse visitation logs, whose this right away. This process would irreparably transformed Lewinsky's life, not long after that date, the Ritz Carlton Bruce you'd off that up leaving the office of the Independent Council in part disagreements between him and the rest, the team, ran so deep Twenty years later, he still feels queasy when he thinks about his former colleagues actually building a criminal case. If Monica Lewinsky. One, would have to ask themselves what good is it? Sir To indict a twenty four year old girl For lying on an affidavit in the ship which leave would represent the first time in the three, a bad jurisdiction where some was indicted for such what good would it do to try some online
what interest, as the United States government have that our vindicated by that kind of prosecution, because to me, if you were to pay to keep that change. You wouldn't need to have Monica Lewinsky flow. You go, which have been sir by having a very public humiliation of president of the United States, You'd have told me he'd heard that one of his former colleagues, Mr Team, had recently said in an interview that use proud of the work The office had done in the Lewinsky case. The guy barely said. He thought dictated by the to movement. The had caught up to the idea that powerful men shouldn't advantage of young women and a bill Clinton I urge you to be taken down don't finds that line of reasoning appalling. The humiliation and hurt too Monica whisky. Now it then she's expend a jet something to be proud of.
He's dead vindicate one for advocate that kind of position- I don't think so. You don't have to agree with pursued off. Worth dwelling on his anger feminine because he's not the only one who's angry a lot of who played a role in the excellent Lewinsky soccer, get angry when I think about it for all different reasons. Some are aims: the current presidency survived others anger. The political forces that aligned against him were so effective, crippling administration. And there are also a lot of people who are angry and be half of Monica Lewinsky. I was a middle school and the scandal broke. I remember it. Sort of I remember me: confused about why Clinton gotta stay president, even though he been impeached. And I remember that as a child of Democrats. I, Clinton side and believed sort of Bigley an eminently
star was in the wrong I'd like to think that I felt sympathy for Monica Lewinsky. I also don't know if I did a lot of people didn't That's part of what I want to examine and this season of slow burn They get into the minds of people who followed the scandal and talked about it, argued about it and want to add a few root. Why they reacted to it. The way they did. I want to but how I would have reacted to it. If I ve been able to pray, That, then, is the person I am now. I want to excavate the aid, power and privacy in character and want to consider how those ideas, privacy in character and one it or how those ideas have changed since the donkey nineties more enlightened now or something we're not appreciating, but what it was like to live This story in real time, and these were transformative period in american politics. A timely culture of no holds barred, partisan warfare that we're all used to now, first took hold in Washington General
sixteenth. Ninety ninety eight representative, turning in that era, you would argue that determined everything that happened next. If Monica Lewinsky had agreed to cooperate that day,. It's likely can star. We have been able to seize the moment and he would have sent an impeachment for all the Congress very quickly. Instead the better part of a year, and by that point, the scandal had worn off it's possible that if the peace, process and started sooner while public outrage Clinton's conduct was at its peak, the president would have been forced out of office. Four, Renate Adler: this is the part of the story that gets forgotten Monica Lewinsky's refusal to succumb to can star save bill. Billions presidency scared as she wasn't that Friday afternoon, Lewinsky was unwise. To get wired up and sent off to spy on the president, That is where is she comes through? I mean, as as I can't imagine anybody else, which just said no
think there's an honesty, perhaps under everything. The picture is in way. Monica Lewinsky presents yourself. Doesn't skies. Sir said I just think. That's admirable I just persist in thinking that didn't do it, not that it helps you and give though, the Newsweek story that was supposed to come out that we can got held up by the magazines editors, the affair, soon came public knowledge anyway, thanks to a story on a previous, the obscure website called the drudge report from there Lewinsky rapidly became famous around the world, the President may in turn the accusations and the aisles Tuesday overnight explosive news about the present. The center of the controversy Monica Lewinsky Lewinsky has been described by a number of sources as flirtatious and mildly obsessed with the president. One law enforcement source put it this way quotes we're going to die.
Angle an indictment in front of her and see where that gets us tonight. The fate of this administration, how it will go down in history, is in her hands. Reporter started sticking out doing his apartment at the Watergate one day. Her neighbor bobbed, all republican senator from Kansas, who had run against Clinton in ninety six brought the reporters, a box of donuts later Lewinsky moved out of the building. She sent letters to all the other residents written on blue stationary and which she apologized any inconvenience might have caused next week of slow burn, we'll go back. The bill Clinton Chaotic first year in office revisit the strange forgotten scandals and conspiracy theories lay the groundwork for eventual undoing they just have gone being their own worst enemies and their actual We stand amaze were more than happy to take their mister.
And exploit them for all they would work, slow The production of slate plus Slates membership programme signed up sleigh plus two here bonus episode of the show this week and every week the next two months or first vote episode features it behind the scenes discussion, but the making of our new season why it was so much harder than making the first one the bonus It also includes a fabulous interview. I did with the round her gay and lily Marauder creators with noise miniseries about Monica Lewinsky but imagine her life after the scandal. She started a handbag design. Yeah come areas which are incredible. Option if you think about it, because they really are a product of trauma This episode of Slow burns CO produced by me and Andrew Parsons editorial D by Josh Levine, Gabriel Rock. Searcher Madeline tablet our theme song by special relations, and this episode featured music by wet who's out. Still run is out now are
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