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Science and Psyche in Film, with Darren Aronofsky

2019-11-29 | 🔗

Neil deGrasse Tyson explores the scientific, metaphysical, and psychological aspects of filmmaking with auteur filmmaker Darren Aronofsky, co-host Paula Poundstone, astrophysicist Charles Liu, PhD, neuroscientist Heather Berlin, PhD, and Bill Nye.

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Skip the commercials support star talk on patriarch to listen to every episode, commercial free from the American Museum of Natural history in New York, city and beaming. All is based and Start were signed up. Your home address ice in your personal astrophysicist. Tonight we explore the extreme from the depths of the human psyche to the cold vacuum space So, let's do this covers tonight- pool of Palestine
Welcome to prepare Europe for a long time, and you also recent book the totally own scientific study of the search for human happiness where you actually do experiments, even though you saves on scientific, I do experiments every chapters written as an expanding. I do experiments with things that entire people thought would make me happy right also joining us is start talks resident geek in chief, Charles Lou, Professor back the physics of the City University of New York in Staten Island. Featuring my interview with Oscar nominated Director Darin, our enough ski down. His he's, the man behind popular films like Black Swan Noah, but its direct toiled debut, was for a film called pie, as in the mathematical constant, three point
one for one, five, ninety six by three, five et cetera, I'm pretty decimal places this report, one for one third, nine to sixty nine on before you know it we're getting thats plenty, more circles you go or other than that Georgia. We're good we're good for most circles here, so it because of this. You know I had to ask him about any sources of mathematical inspiration in let's check it out in high school. I had a really great man teacher the head of the department, Mr Schneider taught this weird elective, which was like I just mysticism in mathematics or something oh Wheeler, about the fag and his cold yearning around really fascinating stuff, but he also talk about pie. How could we remember purveyors with authoritarian serum, There is a whole sub text.
So what we are currently in his life and his followers. Monks are somewhere revolve. So that was interesting and then all these weird kind of mystical ideas that you know if you actually take the height of the gaze of verses with a vague you get there. I dont know if it's true, you get a more accurate number of pine and what the Egyptians were using. So he was just turning us onto these different ideas by me. Now it's become really popular. When, when I was doing pie, there were no books on you know, cosmic geometry and all that stuff that was very few books up and now it's become people are really into all those connections. It's like math, being the language of nature and repeating patterns and different shapes, and that you know it became a big theme imply the spiral idea
connects us. So your pie on the brain and from what I understand you enchanted by fibonacci yeah. I mean a lot. You seek lies its we. This is MIKE we're connection to it. My zip code as a kid in Brooklyn was one one, two, three five right now so there's one plus one is too and then two plus one is three And then three plus, to his five right to one one, two three five, I was my set out he's crazy, so gonna seven not fit gray, they would not she's zip code.
So, Charles the sole pie, yes, is about a mathematicians obsession with number. Yes, can you relate to be absolutely I can they are so called not dimension by the way, my wife is a mathematician and my son, one of my sons, a study to be a mathematician. Their fascinated by numbers to accept the mathematics of far exceeds just now members what's cool about numbers is that you can get lots of neat things happening in you. Don't really know why and that excites people in store there is imagination, makes them think about mysteries that you don't understand you can over manipulate numbers and thinks it has meaning all the time, all those whom it all the time, and it's actually a kind of a caution that we want to make sure that things like that. Do not over Whelm your legitimate understanding of the limitations,
The patterns you see, but do you really mean manipulating? Not so you can measure you can measure things and then work for hours to combine numbers or divide them are multiply them and come up with something that you deem significant. And then you assert that the object had that significant, very deep within it, and then you extracted it by half manipulated measures of that object, I would never do that not just to be clear. Never so exclaimed Charles and the feeble, not she sequence- words, relevance to nature short fibonacci, just as you described in the clip there, you go one one, two, three five, a etc adding the two previous numbers to get the next number. It turns out that, as you go forward, the numbers grow very rapidly. Exponential scale and, as the sequence heads toward infinity, the ratio between
number and each successive number approaches what we call the golden ratio, which creates a spiral pattern that can go into infinity, always repeating itself in a very beautiful, an interesting way. Darin also mention something called cosmic geometry! Gettys, do you have any sense is sound a little Mr Galvin me yeah, yeah, cosmic geometry or sometimes on a sacred geometry, is too shapes the way, say numerous allergies to numbers or astrology is two stars ochre in the sense that people saw so many cool things about the unit. Throughout about the world around them that they could put in the context of shapes and structures that they thought. Surely there was something
a mystical, perhaps even divinely, deeply significance. It turns out that there is not because you can always find ways to relate shapes to one another to the things that we imagine we see in the end, almost all that is coincidence, but it's a good place to start to start thinking about things, relationships, relationships that eventually we the scientific truth eventually, eventually, but not right away after I got the scoop about his film on math, I asked him how he found ass to become a filmmaker in the first place. That's always a fascinating story and I got it from headless check it out. I graduated I scholarly animals backpacking on Europe's and I ended up any one of those finding herself. This is what you were doing still, there they'll have founded and ended up in Marrakech in Morocco and the germ of the big square. You better now is amazing place.
And they basically you know at sunset, you got snake charmers enough food hawkers and have all different types of people and they were storytellers, and I were I pushing through this crowd and seeing this old man on a cane speaking in his language, I don't understand a word, but everyone like ass, he moved. He just became this giant now, psycho storytelling, it's about that was evidence for you I just like our storytelling was not only international but possibly primal yeah, and I believe that in any goes beyond language, and that's the beauty of a film is that you can watch a seven year old and I ran or an eighty year old in Scotland, and if the film the film can take you into this subject of x, prince, and then you suddenly realized all human going through the same types of chow just in their own unique ways, but you can connect with any character
don't be sad if it turned out that the guy encountered in front of the restaurant in Morocco was just listing the dinner special and then he launched his career unnecessary. Well, there's a man trials. Pieces stories examined stories are way to connect. Anyone on the planet is so deep viewer, professor. Yes, I was once a professor at not anymore. Do you storytelling to help your students can request
all the time real? Yes, it is pedagogical wise to do so. In fact, studies have clearly shown psychologically, educationally, etc. That human beings are very much interested in narrative. If you can tell us worry about the universe, if you can tell a story about whatever you're trying to describe it's much more likely to be both remembered and make an impact, then if you just listen The information which was more universal matter stories, aliens like stories, you know what Why do you say we saw if they got around a campfire and yet how to react to know I'd I'd say this is like asking: what's more universal you're right leg, you left leg, oh you're, levelling, then that's the answer. We need close to walk right. Think about when we created members were hopping when we could the constellations
how do we remember these weird patterns of stars? Unless you tell a story? Oh there's, a Ryan hunting or defending himself by the dogs are behind them, and the ball is in front of them. Things like that. Telling the story may indeed be the way that we connect with aliens in the future. First, though, with the man right once we send them we will not u series of leaps then they know? We understand something about mathematics and then we can tell. Let me tell you about what my mother in law glory did yesterday with the roast threats and alien grandmother. Name, yes, go you thought about it. Because that's part of the story is light. We haven't even met the aliens yet an already we're stereotyping tax will break down this college. You are facing extreme situations in food.
And start operator This is starting from the American Museum of that creative bookkeeping. My interview with Director Darin Aeronauts Ski and I asked him how he uses film to explore the far reaches a few minutes. Check it out. I think they are. Does the half take people inch by inch step by step into extreme places? I mean that's what I've done. A lot of my work is like myself. Here. They said again take taken already in second place.
By inch by inch step by step into where into very extreme places, because I think that sort of showing the range of humanity I may I end up telling the story of these characters that they don't have ordinary journeys their doubly going somewhere really far. So you know I wanted people to understand not only Portman ballerinas, kind of motivation or urge had dreams and bloody longer as she slowly gets possessed by you know. This need to be perfect than this succeed and as the issuing of the lashing you take low steps. It's like an requiem for a dream. You see what what I love about the book is that it was this. You know these two stories. One was like a typical drugstore,
of young kids and one was an old lady who was just sort of addicted to a dream and how being addicted to a drug could be the same as being addicted to not eating a chocolate, because you want to lose weight and that how that kind of conversation in your head is the same sort of biochemical conversation that you're you're grappling with your grappling with enough. That's me was fastening, but the show that you have to be its really inch by inch. You see her look at the box chocolate you try to look away. Is here look back and you do something with a chocolates get a getting more exciting through sound in design and you slowly cannon the audience of what she's feeling towards its psychological seduction, yeah tackling Georgia us to discuss the psychological seduction of film is neuroscientist the Berlin. Had a brilliant friend start off your assistant, professor psychiatry, at the icon, school of medicine mouse
I am your research focuses on a range of neurological disorders. What makes a movie psychological throat? Well, I mean basically the action, the main action of the film is happening usually inside the main characters, mind, and so the action doesn't take place externally please internally and often there's some ambiguity between either for the audience or for the leave character between fantasy and reality, and that sort of takes you on this journey. So when you're observing it, you don't know all the details in the head, but the directors trotters feed it to you, little bits, and so this mystery and a little bit of terror. Yeah I mean any time you get deep inside somebody psyche theirs.
Gonna, be some terrifying, a bit you wanna sort of beware. I mean there's a reason why we have these fronts and why we present ourselves in certain ways that foresaw absolutely because if you really get into the deep crevices of the mind, there's gonna be some dirt. And would you said that the emerging movie is an example of the deep psyche? The poor emerging now you're, referring to as I've thought about that psychological states and conditions. These export of EV include obsessive, compulsive disorder, addiction, narcissism actionism these you're familiar with all these yeah, I mean he drew out his fancy, always kind of also plays upon, listen missions and illusions, but in particular, obsessive compulsive disorder, perfectionism Black Swann, in part even in in the fountain believe, characters obsessed with trying to find a cure for village, Bree, age or brain tumors.
An addiction, and he was really interesting what he said because it's true, I study behavioral addictions like things like being addicted to food or gambling or the internet, and what we find is that the same nurse circuitry is involve a behavioral addictions, as is involved with addiction to drugs to chemical addictions. So it's true, and that's why that film was so amazingly well done, is that it's the same brain chemistry and so do sing technology will ever. Hours to see inside of someone else's mine or or or generating the visualization of dreams, rather than just knowing that they're having a dream through rapid movement, I mean the thing about the mind: is that its subject afraid I'm sorry can we can objectively is which neurons are firing. When you tell me you're having a thought of, let's say seeing arose, so
rate. Limiting factor is we'd have to map out every neural correlative. Every thought you ve ever had, which is a pretty difficult task, but even if we could do that right, then it would just be a sort of a computer simulation would say that neural Innovation looks as if he's imagining arose and then we can sort of credit image of that on a computer. So it will never never can get directly in anybody's knows what you're saying as you you would you studying the connection between my seeing arose and the Neuro Synaptic response train? you draw arose based on this impetus based on his impulse exactly. But what you're telling me, as you can never look into someone's brain and just draw the picture that their scene It is one I will. First of all, there is nothing the brain it there's darkness in there. You never actually see anything. Thinking, there's like a little can now that's funny. They had things because european skies
now. It is all a bloody and There's no, I mean look inside people's brains all the time. You know our sitting on ur surgery and we can actually a patient be fully awake and we can talk to them and be looking inside the brain and manipulating things at the same time, very soon corner there. That's the only way to notify change would be exactly courtiers. How do they do I've I've I've right about that before? How do they do that way? You're having somebody's having brain surgery, you can talk to them. How is it possible will basically there's there's no nerve endings in the brain, so actually bring. You don't feel any there there's no pain naturally came with her fingers is somewhat urim. Do whatever the only thing is. You have to none the scout and once you get through there, you can do so. What Do we actually can map out a bluish green way to glibly about five? You fill this gap, which is purchased, the report. Then you just go in and ass all. Well,
he's gonna, know to him for only a few moments ago thought there was a screening. What would either view our ports? Would you, Charles allow heard? put you on one of machines die. What are you thinking? I a hundred percent? Would one hundred prolong told, nah cutting into first of all, my scalp is really sensitive. I really would like to call my hair, so just cut my scalp right off the valley. Do you think your field is just not mature enough yet to come to the just took somebody up here. Is the picture we're starting their experiments now? Where, for example, I can show you a picture of a house, let's say Versus a cat- and I can see we can do no imaging and see what your brain looks like when you're viewing either one of them, then I can put you in a scanner and say just imagine something don't tell me what it is and then, based on that, we can predict whether you're imagining a house or a cat is
on occasion and end they just all day long sought CAT House CAT House, then you'd, be we can pretty much their mind than oil. So basically we can really simplistic mines, yeah yeah, that is exciting. What's up schemes is also known for its weren't taboo topics in this field and in the fountain, his film from two thousand and six confronted how resistance. Process of death, and I asked you about that was check it out. I think there's something spiritual about our journey towards death that the West has turn their back on. It's not something. We respect. It's not something daddy, it's not something. We teach retrial avoided at all costs at all costs, and yet you know literally, we lock up our old people, we don't take care of them and it's a lot of suffering as opposed to easing people in helping in taking people on
I'm farther journey. You know it's funny as when we're in kindergarten we collect the fall, leaves sign of death as this sign a beauty, but we can't sort of apply it back to our own kind of reality in our we decorated with which it decorate we and we glorified the universe. This cycle, what's happening with you, have the beautiful green entrance into Brown becomes bare and that idea of this the goal rebirth and recycling, which is really what's happening in our work. I even now rely right now we're recycling each other and this world. So look I'd like to live in extra time eighteen years and a healthy way, maybe even more for my son and stuff, but I think a bigger part of the conversation should be about how you know what is life without death to terrifying idea and death is really need to be
it can be something that's beautiful, Heather why we saw resistant, maybe just in the west, but perhaps in general, where we saw resistant to the inevitable. We have these death well. In their said, there are other species that sort of understand after there's a reason striven orca that carried her calf around Orca weeks, yet more got that had died and carried it around four weeks. So they have some idea of that, but I think we're the only species that really can anticipate our own death, which leads doings. I'll be right and even religious people who in suppose, we believe. In heavens, you shouldn't be scared of that, because you gonna go to some beautiful place. They wanna die either right. So there's something about, I think, losing your consciousness. Your awareness or even comfort in oh, maybe our bodies are going to be recycled and turned into something beautiful, but if my consciousness isn't there for eternity, that's quite frightening to people show but
we're fascinated by death in movies and news stories in and what does it mean to be fascinated by some thing that we fear? Will I think that it's the great unknown? Is this great mystery and so films and media, and we can either interpret what happens in death? To give us comfort mean the fountain, and it was an example of that in a way that its not just there's nothing, there might be something there might be something special and so in we if we can visualize that, imagine what it might be like today. That might give us some comfort and that, I think, is our obsession with it. I think cubes or fascinated with T Rex among all dinosaurs, because they can be eaten T Rex and in the universe, are fastened about black holes because you can be eaten by a black hole. I think it's fastening at one when children first, I realise that there are going to die and how they interpret them. For me, that's why I became a neuroscientist cause. My first real is eighty five. I was gonna die that can I keep my thoughts. How can I keep them on? My brain makes them. How does my brain mcmurphy
and how can I keep them in a very advanced? I put a Plato up, we know so trolls. How do you view death coming from the universe? Everything dies right, planets die stars die even black holes, this very holistic, and so in my sense that the concept of death is really a transition from what you are now to what you will be in the future. So in that sense, if you're comfortable with that, there's nothing to fear. I think this idea of being uncomfortable death exactly what Heather was talking about, we're afraid that we would have a legacy that eventually, no one will remember us the things that we value from others. Some play. No one will value us for it, and so that's our search for eternity for longevity for something in the future. If you think Astra physically that the idea well, you are going to change, but somehow what you were
it becomes something else that maybe even more grand and more beautiful, though we're back, but I don't even think it there. It sort of that's a bit of a narcissistic. You, like I wanna, be remembered. Guy I know a narcissist, that's all I wanted. I just like experiencing life and even care farm remembered whatever, but I want it smell the rose and you know exactly see my children, and so I just like the experience of alive or are you afraid of death? I I I I don't even like in my turn, is over in a game. One last question before I: let you go you if science could prevent death? Should we like the question? Well, you know in so far as death is often caused by some sort of illness or disease which involves human suffering. I think if there is something that we can cure preventable disease, we should
and as we start doing, that life will inevitably get more longer and longer minority living way longer, even just the invention of antibiotics rate, and so I think for sure we should do that, and if it becomes that you know, we figured out a way to keep us alive indefinitely. And maybe it's persons choice when they want to go and they'll. Be the you know, those feel bad for other people that we lost. You didn't have the option to stay alive and I don't think there's any more than other than the fact that it might get a bit boring after while you and then you can choose to go, but it would be nice if it could be. Your choice went to go rather than having some horrible disease. If we choose today will need more planets? Yeah? No, I mean that's where you gonna have, obviously, are you in charge of the population? Guys assumes people die right, mixed in with the birth rate,
there might infused old guy, you still making babies, we need another planet. There need a bigger planet, there's probably at least a trillion planets in the milky way: Galaxy alone Think we'll call it what you re talking about these these lives that go on forever. Are you talking about having like more of your 30s. Moreover, enables functioning with a body that is like a lady just died and was a hundred and seventeen to resolve this woman in the world. She called everyone. Kiddo, What does he say? Are you? Are you talking about extending the years where you're, a hundred and twenty, because by the way, coming out what's wrong? With a hundred and twenty? I dont think here in great shape, but it doesn't have to be the case. Studies show that we humans have a greater bias towards age than anything else,
we re, Sir gender or anything like that. Why should we feel bigger, biased against the writer? Why should we have that bias? If we can live forever, it no longer matters. Age is just a number. How many experiences have we had? How many places have we gone? How many people have we met and enjoy the company that becomes the measure and not how long you been around was based on me. Std rates in nursing homes or people have a lot of Heather. Thank you ve already. Next we learned some of the science behind Hollywood's movie magic, nor have secret for you I'm gonna, considers singing all of the ads on this shell there's just one
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the Americans with me for my interview with Filmmaker Darin. Paradoxically, I ask him about the movie magic behind celestial objects. It is film the fell Let's take it up in the cloud tanks like in the old Spielberg films with clouds are coming up over. You know over the neighbourhood and stuff, that's that was basically pouring ink and milk into into actual tanks and they would photograph it and then they would combine them and so every single effect in the fountain, his photographed all of the nebula. All of that stuff,
none of it is Fiji and he must have like the celestial scenes and including a supernova were through microscope, and that was just basically two or three different chemicals reacting and when they, good picture. You know dropping a little over as brilliant yeah. This brilliant became a great and recommend you get this texture and weariness. That is exciting things to think about it, yet that that's a good sign, but I hope that our efforts- patient of women through Nebula was rugged b plus in addition to the mass connection the therein made in the movie pie, you also featured in ancient Ward game go and since then the company Google created an artificial intelligence project, alpha? Go that learn the game with such proficiency that it can now be any human life. So I asked him about this
check out the main character in pie was also ago enthusiast that right, yeah. Ok, what did you know ago. I didn't know much do make a character who tat night. That's that's the cool thing about making films, they basically Patriot, four years. So it's almost like another university degree time I do, but it gives you the opportunity to see the you know when you get to talk to experts in our own tried tried to call you about certain things and just get inside and The research were doing, and in our when I did the fountain I got it brain surgeons and actually watch surgery. So, as one of the great gifts of filmmaking is that you get to sort of b a dilatory through all these different. Worlds in the game. Go this pre dated, I think, alpha girl, yes, absolutely from Google. Yeah as the air. I gather that the who was so what did you have a reaction to that? The alpha go here? There was
interesting, I came out. There was fascinating, not only that they beat a master at that at something that no one thought would ever happen, but the way the computer played undid thousands of years of tradition in the way was played so that now it's affected how people play each other so yea. I actually has changed us as people match
beating us, it's actually taught us something to think about it in a different way. I think, in order for I to play a game like that, no lifelike way it would have to be able to flip the board when it knows it or yellow the other Blair they adhere journal. You were an important vote, really worried. You need that yeah. So deep TAT, Charles, are deacon. Chief first start talking, give us a critical review. The game go short months, popular here in the West, as knows in the Far EAST, but it's a long standing tremendously tradition base game. It was invented more than two thousand years ago in China, the chinese name forego is wage. She, which litter means surround
being chess. Your point is to try to make sure that your pieces are cornering or surrounding the other opponents, your opponents pieces, top bottom left and right, and because it such a big board and because the rules are so simple, it has been calculated that there our twenty billion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion. Google possible legal board combinations so it is a remarkably difficult game to block votes. Were Google as a number, not as the name of bananas, rice, one with a hundred zeros after, but in reality it's actually very hard to calculate the exact number of possible outcomes, because the numbers are so huge. We can't rap heads around them, even though the number of atoms in the milky way galaxies far smaller than these combination is really really hard. What comes next? We answer your cosmic worries about the origin of the moon.
When start talk. Return is starting from the American repeating my interview with Filmmaker Darin, Aeronauts Ski, and he recently produced a science series for National Geographic called one strange rock about our own let's check it out. We were trying to do. Ten, our portrait of the planet, basically showed how amazing all these different systems have to work to and connect to make life possible. So we have a straw to me. We have urged science, we have chemistry, we have biology. We have anthropology and sociological and kind of blending it as a portrait of all these different ways in different connections,
we then, but the kind of a question was had how we can unify it. So we in the room had this idea about going to astronauts. Who actually have this amazing thing called the overview effect. They all have. A similar thing happened where they start to see the planet as one system and they such seem cells, not as Americans or islands. They start to see themselves as our things, and I find found that really of inspiring idea. So one strange rock is just this kind of
full portrait of of Ali systems working together in ways that are just fascinating your head. What makes heard my friend you do, Neil I do and me and Paula and all of us and all the algae and all the lobsters the concept of life. As we know it makes this rock so much stranger than any other wrought with ever found or may ever find. So once restaurant is torn from the perspective of astronauts looking down, but we as astrophysicist. We look up yes, but I think we have the same view without having the benefit of going to space. I think so, but but the surely some benefits from looking down what were we feel sure when we are trying to understand the unknown, we look around us, define analogues and extend them forward right. The physics in the kitchen, the chemistry in
pod are the kinds of physical and scientific processes that happened out in the universe on other planets or in other galaxies. So we looked down to us and the more we understand about where we are now the better we can understand. What's out, there draws get more deep shows what the physics in the kitchen well. Thank you. Take your frying pan and you put it on the stove yeah. It gets hot because the burners are touching the stove and the burners on the stove. Then touching the pair you have him. That's called conduction yeah this convention right. Furthermore, once you put the water, the sauce in the pan, the liquid in the pan starts moving around in pieces kind of me
being energy around, that's called convection and then, finally, when it gets hot enough that you put your hand over the past ten and then you have the sauce. That's radiating heat out onto your hand, so that kind of convection, conduction and radiation is exactly what happens inside the sun. The way that energy comes out of the sun is first radiating from the nuclear powered core thermonuclear powered corps, then out convicting in the interior of the sun and then being eventually radiated out past the surface to the earth to our faces, which then can touch other things and then conductor you anything with thin apparent joint, so daring errand ascii made may tackle big questions about earth and injured, but he had a question for me
about the moon, was it out the buddhist peace, the arthritis, mostly guess so, Why is it all agree? The question is: if earth didn't have life, what color would it be? Maybe that what you should ask okay, so so the moon is made of mostly of the material that is earth's crust right across the mantle and are best ideas or that there is a early in the solar system is a collision between a sort of approach, our planet and earth and its side swipes earth right and if you side, swipe, earth and earth has already separated out its ingredients, they heavy things had fallen to the Middle EAST where we have an iron core. We ve all heard this. Maybe you didn't think through why
So there's a point when earth was molten right when you're molten heavy stuff goes false and lighter stuff floats rife, so the iron goes to the middle. The lighter stuff, such as what we call the silicates, which makes rock goes to that surface right and now something sites wife's us is not reaching into the core to get it. So you have all of these silicates in We think we might have had a ring right, Saturn, ring for awhile briefly Fund would have been totally at so people ask me if I were to go back
time what I wanted. We need to see the rain visit. I want to see the formation of a move that it take me back, we'll be at a safe spot, everything, clunker popcorn and watching that so its side swipes, you get a ring, the ring, the colossus and it's a it's. It's a dog eat dog, so the bigger the chunk of matter, the more gravity it has, the more rapidly than a creates, a wins out very quickly and unstable system, and then you get the moon earth would look like that. If we don't have weathering. If we didn't have life, if we didn't have the weathering hides the evidence right that you ve been hit right ends, the moon was no atmosphere. You get hit is gonna, be a billion years from night. So that's why we don't look like some interesting
I wonder if the social Affairs had their own questions on this very topic. It means is the time for cars Well, you can pull your impression ideal, Renee Douglas from Pittsburgh. Once you know what actually defines a moon, for example, Mars is moons photos and day most are not round and are captured, asteroids the other still moons, but they re pretty lay as far as moons go. So what is a moon rock the orbits? A planet erected orbits a planet. That's a moon, also orbit. Another say asked
like the asteroids are moves to yet so it's a smaller solid object. That's orbiting! Another solid object, that's probably not a star, and both the Arctic is large enough. Then their centre of motion sits in space between the two of them. Then you might call that a double planet, but the Arctic is not so massive that it pulls the centre mass out in space and its deep inside the larger object. Then it's doing most with emotion, around and sold. Such is the case with our moon and us, and all the other moons of all the other planets PLUTO has a moon that so big. They does this and the centre masses in space was more like a double object for our say double planet into what I thought I saw coming here not now get demoted,
keep an eye on. So we aided and abetted that since you drive, you didn't care for it to be a plan, no we did a first. If I had known that, I'm not sure what it from your movements. I do Matt, wolves and on Facebook wants to know, because MAC doesn't waste time. There was no. Why does earth. Only have one moon, but Europe Jupiter get thirty, and does the earth have moon envy job well, Jupiter has now, as far as we can tell way more than thirty moons the reason. Basically, the Jupiter has so many moons us, because there is so much gravity that it can hold onto more moons and there's more material, more objects in the orbit of Jupiter, for it to capture had more material to start with to make moons insight He was well institutions at the same time in the same place here have to tell them to meet us. Ok, sorry. Does the earth of moon
envy, I don't o Neill. Should we be envious of the moon? I'll, tell you why not? Ok, because we have like the fifth biggest moon in the solar system and so coronation about, but where the fifth biggest plant in the solar system, so it kind of matches right, ok, tightened. I figured bigger and Ganem enemies, rigour that might be it we're in the top five moons of the hundreds of wounds in the solar system, so I think we're out of the moon envy. We are beautiful eclipses that no other planet has caused major, so tiny compared to the size of the sun and moon is nice and fat and proof It covers the son, a beautiful eclipses American Army unite science. Guy takes a trip to the moon.
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my interview with surreal film director dairy, loves his blockbuster film Noah. We imagined the story of the great slugs in the Bible and I asked about the challenge of creating fiction from a source that some Take literally, let's check it out. I think the whole fight over did happen. It didn't happen is really bad. I too have I think the power of those stories is in there. They are. Stories. Good example is like Icarus, and we all know he didn't fly with a pair wings. Yet I say the word Icarus, you understand exactly what I'm getting at and what the morals of that story is so to have an argument about. Did the whole world flood or did just the Black Sea get filled in
then he would actually collect all these animals. Does it doesn't really matter the power of that and how it can inspire us in the reason that we should in no respect those stories put their part of our culture, the part of all of human culture. They belong to one group. They belong to everyone and out of that literature. We can really learned things about ourselves. The same way you can reach Shakespeare in the wake you the greatness. The way you can look at way oh, you can look at your Maya myths, all of em they're, all part of human culture. There all our stories and they all have a power for his story be truly powerful is not actually true. I think so. The first time I tried stand up my blonde, but my best friend and said that I was really great, and so I continued to work and that help keep me performing and that's how I became I don't want you successful, but you know what our different told you the truth. We would you
today. I do not want the original story wasn't true, either well, with growing any number people, yes I'll, be a stand so, Charles as scientists are, you tend to, because I am occasionally to investigate stories like knows flood to see if it was actually be possible, absolutely and like say, did Icarus wings may have the lift actually to carry him up high things like that they're always funded. Think about how much live do think. You'd need even have enough clearly yeah precise Emmi, his wings. What it had to be like the size of this building due to how much rain is needed for northward. Did you ever go figure of forty days and forty nights without stopping you assume that say a good sunder storm gives about an inch per hour, so you multiply that I don't want any more times for you get about eighty feet of rain gay and, if you imagine
did he feat of rain? That's enough to sink a lot of buildings back and biblical times, so that seems reasonable to me. Now. Did the reins come down like that? I don't know you'd have to think a lot harder about the media, illogical situation, nor to back so I thought a lot about the weight of forests hammer. And there he can lift, but nobody else can lift it, and I found a clue in one of the four movies about how much it would way, and I did the calculation and it would. The density of that hammer is equivalent to cramming a herd of three hundred million. Elephants into a chapter casing like an informed start. Basically, no precisely well accepted within it was later corrected and they said no. It weighs forty two point. Three pounds: made of official material or remain Google battle to Canada, and so I had to concede. But I, like my,
you bet your ass, theirs, better or metal, supposedly changes its density depending on who picks it up. You have to be so called worthy in order to get up seats of your now worthy. Then all of a sudden is like three hundred million elephants encapsulate ending my vacuum. Is made of whom is the only one in the house that can list it. You are worthy of all is worthy, but before you wrap things up tonight, we're dispatch from my good friend bill. Nine eleven dispatches and this one is on the science of telling lorries through fell. Let's check it out. We all love these Neil because we stories. We don't just like this. Worried that we like how story is being told. Think of a picture created by an artist. We hope it brings out some emotions you want to over. The artist is driving open a it comes to a picture.
Language you, the viewer have to provide. The transition from beginning to middle an end, but with a moving image, moving picture. The transitions are built in its always changing with time. The creator, the artist or director can change locations. Change, characters, even change. Events in history in the blink of an eye, and then, with your eye and brain you merge. Those moving images together, It was seamless story, no matter how the story is told, though, if it's a good story, you want to know what happens next. That's why I love this policy Those were the Bowery.
We all love stories when the first tapestries for stories were constellations of the night sky characters. Interacting. No matter where we were in the history of civilization on this planet, they were cultures. Stories on the night sky and fiction has value whether or not it's true because their lessons
They are to be learnt the lessons in Bible stories. Some people take them literally. Those people tend to not be scientifically letter it if they take the metaphorically. There are lessons to be drawn from fairytales little evaluate fairytales her. Whether or not it's true you sit back and say what does that mean? What's the lesson and why and so when I think of storytelling, I think of the potency of communicating lessons
sexual information, not data, but lessons and boy do we ass humans need lessons and these lessons, if they're good, they will transcend the moment. They will transcend time three. We passed down through cultures through the present and into the future, because those are the lessons that matter for civilization to survive itself. So that's what I think of when I think of stories, but I look up at night. I imagine that I'd be one of those storytellers to carry knowledge wisdom
inside from one generation to the next, for me, is my cosmic perspective. Keep looking wish you to listen. Start all commercial free joint start compatriots for as little as five dollars per month and the ads will disappear. Learn more at patriarch dot. Coms. Last star talk, radio,
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