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StarTalk Live: Building the Future

2013-03-28 | 🔗
Is humanity on the cusp of momentous change? Neil deGrasse Tyson and futurists Jason Silva and Melissa Sterry explore the possibilities that lie at the intersection of technology, human biology and urban planning.

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Skip the commercials support star talk on patriarch to listen to every episode, commercial, free. Welcome to start off your place in the universe where science and pop culture collide knocked off begin right. Now, I'm near the grass Thyssen and a host of STAR talk, radio, I'm an astrophysicist. My day, job is with the American Museum of Natural. This and I'm here with my comedian, CO host Eugene Eugene below I'll, be loud. I've got to futurists we're going to talk about the future of signs future technology, in particular the intersection of technology in the human body, the intersection of technology, the future and of cities.
And when you start with adjacent Sula Jason welcome. Thank you. So much for having me has all over the internet gesticulating what the future should be making you feel bad because you haven't done anything to make it happen. So I'll get back to you on that in a moment, and I've got Melissa most hysteria thank for flying from London process. For this it I'd love, that's aid, again, a plaza, also a futurists, and she thinks about what the future of cities would be or should be, and so we have someone who is thinking about the human body, the human mind if someone thinking about human cultures- and I just want exhorted- jump right into this- if I may to we're going into space, I do astrophysics some bright at this from a space, I'm a space person would go into space,
many people, myself included, are disappointed that we're not sending astronauts. I like robots, but I can't I would still like to have people doing this. You have an opinion on this year. Definitely will you I like the idea of astronauts to actual liked area, sending artists and poets into space, because I think that they can really gradually lately poets yeah. Now there was actually an article in news: weak, a wild with outbreaks they're dead weight. We know ass, a poet fixed fix the engine work Manuel worldwide less now, but I think that one of the things that people talk about often is their NASA and other organisations don't do and a good enough job of telling people why? and sending human consciousness into the cosmos is its own mesmerizing reward. I mean that is what it is to be. Human Weedin stay in the cave, the Heavens state on the planet like we go, we transcend our boundaries, and so I think, perhaps by sending artists and poets they're in article in news. We called rocket man actually from I'll back said that this would be an interesting thing to do, but interval
The argument against robot. I think that allowed people are deciding that it's maybe less expensive and easier to send these robotic crafts out there may be less expensive. It is right all right, Essex, right, fair enough. And for those that thinks well, we should focus on the humans. Look, I think, our love. You know, I think we could focus on humans also, but I think that we should dismiss these robots are saying that that's not like sending humans, because we are, we saw our cognition to these robots, the mind of man, crawl, Mars. At the moment I mean we're there. There's a cognitive philosopher, called Andy Clark who says that technologies like ours, extended fino type rights are exoskeleton, it extends our thought region vision, and so We should think of these robots the way we should think about our iphones. As extensions of our mind, it's us just like the termite colony is part of the termite. It's it's exoskeleton. I think that that's how we should look at these robots
Don't you think? That's. Ok, that's good, while good, not wow, crazy right ass to just to make that clear. Read recently on the international space station were exploring creating sort of an internet that might work on an interplanetary scale and someone on the space station control, the Lego Robot in Germany Orbiting the earth, so this is an example of what you're saying I saw that does pretty cool. So this is an example here, so play. Will I am song in space? I thought I mars. Actually I thought that was pretty cool. That's too bad I look at me these robots. Increasingly, the instruments are are becoming extensions of our sensorial instruments that we're equipping these robots with something with with eyes with cameras. Maybe they can, they can examine this soil. They could
yeah yeah, and I think the article is wired, we're saying it's gonna, be the future space exports to be more like avatar, so they're talking about like robots that will be able to control with kind of like full body virtual reality systems in, and why not? You know with the exponential growth girls of these technology, we're gonna be able to create all sorts of immersive environments, you're an earth projectors into we're good and not a lot of and obtaining an extra indicated in avatar. But my question is yes. The reason why were sending robots is because is too costly to send people the moment at the moment. I think, given the choice, we'd rather go ourselves, given that its constantly we send the robot, but can you ash and plus space is supremely hostile to human biology. Absolutely you now the gets Mars is no heir and you know is poisonous and new
die. We know, sir, I mean it seems impossibly complex, but so that the idea of jet liners before we invent all normal. I ask of you no further back Columbus going to the new were right. Didn't have to worry. I dont think whether the new world had air to breathe right or whether they be would in trees to repair a ship that broke imagine, kneel and buzz crash landing on the moon zoologist. We build all the circuit boards and and relaunch ourselves. No, that's not happened. But that's the argument of those that are saying that they want a cent robot. Let me that's why they make a good point. Here's my question: do do you or some move, like your people, your community futurists Has anyone thinking that you can modify human biology to not be so susceptible to the definite forces or space?
that's a very interesting question of whether we can make ourselves immune to the deathly forces of space, but certainly we are going to be tinkering with our biology. Ethnic biology is going to be the next thing. That's gonna be swallowed up by information technology. When biology becomes an information technology we met stir, those information processes of biology and weaken, reprogram, basically the canvas of life itself within other able, because people side look well now, but I think I actually, I think it sounds really fascinating. There's a guy called one in Rica's ease, create great TED speaker It talks about life Code and he says that we can. When we can write with biology the way we can write with basically digital. Could we have software? That difference is that this time have softened. You can write its own hardware, so we can basically right. Structures that manifest themselves in physical space, we can basically reprogram ourselves, free, Dyson says in the near future, new generation is assessed, yet he says in the near future. A new generation of artists will be writing genomes with fluency the blatant Byron Road versus. So when biology
because the new instrument for the artist, what new forms of exquisite things, might we create and we're dealing with life itself, so we can turn ourselves into something post. Human, much interesting and maybe not subjugated to the same limitations that we currently have. I like that, plus you can use as a as a template all the cool things that other animals can do, that we can't absolutely row another way. Yeah I've solely in all, that's gonna be possible. Biometric risks can be the next big thing really what a model ourselves after things at work, better and other species, and we should have that we should have that fees. I remember growing up people, so the human body is this: Pinnacle we're not a pinnacle anything, no effect. That's prior! We ve created great technology too. Stand ourselves through our instruments, stood inaccurate, like I said I decided to make up for our inadequate. I would have voted very, very.
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our energy and technology, I mean they're, saying that, yes, we will be able to reprogram our biology and basically upgrade ourselves, but also with nanotechnology matter, becomes a programmable medium. So when you can build Artifacts were at the national scale. Then you have Maybe you have blood cell size devices that are made of more exotic materials in biology. They can interface with our biology in ways that we can't even see. So maybe we can replace thirty percent of our white blood cells, a red light does with synthetic ones, and we can do now stand or water for five hours and indeed the example Kurt while uses. So let me ask you: molested, you see human organised places, communities, towns, cities being touched by this thinking, yeah, it's all about connectivity and one. I think I d like a dynamic crane. Looking at the way the ecosystems of response to natural disasters, you used the word
I owe mimicry up- just means biotechs. Basically, it's just my name and kings. Burnings ya, know what that means. Bioethics is literally looking nature and stealing great ideas from so what you were saying about copying species that can do stuff better than us. That's all it is traditional, borrow mimicry major using the power of the tree of life. I was making use of ideas to a database like velcro came from some plan obsolete in you know. If we were thinking about how we might apply this to exploring space with
and possible planets, and it may be bigger than earth. If you think about inhabiting those, the gravitational force would make walking on running a very different experiences which could even more than they do at least, and if you didn't engineer, the human you'd have to create an exile skeleton to respond to that, and maybe you know one places you might look at four announced that would be at the bottom of the oceans where the pressure forces our extreme and looking at how you get what appear to be very delicate creatures in these incredibly tal environment, ok, so stole ought to be learned, is absolutely wrong. What is interesting, a lot of this bio mimicry actually happens. Inadvertently like there is an interesting thing. They came out recently talked about how, when forage your aunt hunt for food, the patterns in which they do that mirrors the TCP Ip protocols that govern for me, flow on the internet or that the information about yeah say that again that basic
either way: TCP Ip protocols work to send information. This is this smart, engineered way that we figured out at us and that on the web mirrors away forage IRAN's hunt for food, like they share the same patterns which is really interesting or how the information sharing systems that comprise the intern. Look exactly like neurons in the brain. These men made things that we call man made like non natural when they work really well. They tend to mirror these patterns from natural systems, which I think goes to the bigger picture is that where of nature, and anything we make is just an extension of nature to take the long view and you look at earth- is a single system. Everything that we call synthetic are man made is just evolution is just nature unfolding in another way. It's part of the continual Kevin Kelly calls it the technical, the sort of man made extension of our nature, but it still nature the notion that computers are getting so fast, Miroslav, doubling in speed and capacity every eighteen months, or so
at some point. Two things are gonna converge. What are those things? Well, here's interesting thing about exponential, the exponential growth curves of more law, that most people don't understand it. We have a brain that evolved in world. There was linear and local by the world. Now is global and exponential in the famous example that cars while likes to gives you take thirty linear steps, you got one two, three, four, five, thirty steps later you're thirty, you saying those same amount of steps exponentially, would go to for eight sixteen by the thirtieth step, you're at a billion that's why you're smartphone today is a million times cheaper, a million times smaller in a thousand times more powerful than a sixty billion dollar supercomputer. That was half a building in size forty years ago. So when you take that twenty five years into the future, what you have you have basically computers disappearing from the visible space I mean we're. Gonna have molecular size devices inside of us augmenting us. You have robot leading people robots eating up, I mean now, but ways chances
of robots. Eating people in yeah well already say: is there a pocket lifting fear fact? I think that mostly it comes down to this idea, we keep talking about the robots as them, but that us these are. Figures are: the emerging will eat ourselves. No yeah. I think we just will continue to do what we ve always done, which is to use these tools not to make something else but to extend who in war we are. I think that, since the dawn of computer, he s doing that for our mechanical body since the dawn of the industrial. We inhabit our exoskeleton sting wisely when talking about it like it's a new thing, pretty much I mean, turns mechanics as we live inside condensation of our imagination, but that's pretty much skyscrapers jet engines. These are things that the human mind basically spit out and then the human mind now resides inside of these things. So, while the talk over singularity actually Kevin Kelly's, as we have seen
there? It is before the emergence of language was the first when we could not have imagined a rich symbolic world of language when we were the early hominids on the other side of that line, and I think the metaphor- that's applied into the future. Now that we're going to the point where it's almost impossible to make predictions because, like staring into the sun, we can't really see what can happen when then In point happens. The acceleration reaches a point that internet sharing. That inflection point is workers while says it within thirty five years like down or not, they will become living rocks, let's run but trot. Ok. Well, I think point of inflection me: everything becomes linked with everything else and matter becomes mind. So no reason to fear. I ran It means we basically impregnate the universe with intelligence. I mean basically, the foe flourishing of nanotechnology turns all of matter into programmable medium, the full flourishing of biotechnology all of life into something of further aesthetic artists to manipulate, and then artificial intelligence means not biological Intel.
Instead, smarter than we are, and they can upgrade itself ad infinitum whose do who played the jeopardy Watson, Watson, Watson, wiped the floor. A hundred percent with the best players a pretty ever had right and it had to use natural language. It's already well, because we're taking now Watson and we're making it read all the medical journals and the world's that we're gonna make Watson into a doktor. Now you have a try, quarter excellent have an issue with that mean even I would genes that replace our physical but horse effort, people have pacemakers, people have been sink, it's not something I'm only we're all the world is going to be different one. Second, after that happens, well, I think it's just a series of incremental steps that are gonna be happening so fast, but I think that the world that we live in today would be unfathomable, two people even a hundred years ago. So I think that even when the singularity arrives. We might not notice it because of our own kind of he. Dinah adaptation is like that. Funny video, where the guys talk about on an airplane when the internet doesn't work and he's complaining and he's like do your fly.
Through the sky connect to the internet. In your complaining, when the signal drops Louis Autonomy that transportation that's been influenced greatly by technology, of course, right from ports drawn buggies, do the automobile two aeroplanes, but I can't help would be a little disappointed that planes today or not faster than planes were in the nineteen sixties and we don't have the flying cars. I blame you fair enough. I think the problem is that it's going.
The light in the dark, their oil different forces at work, something I've got four star wars here, but when it comes to technology with seeing essentially our world split into, because that there are those who embracing it and running with it- and there are those that very resistant to it. So I think we'll see quite a mixed picture. Who are at the point now, where advances in transportation definitely on the edge, and they will happen in some of the most ambitious small city projects and the kind of things that will facilitate them will be smart data when I'm not just talking about information flowing from your smart phones, but you know I am referring to projects like Planet Valley in Portugal, where they'll be hundred million senses across that smart city they'll be the truck everything from what's going on with the environment, with the wind direction. You know with the temperature to where people are west of needs to be going on, and I can inform innovation in transport,
Should this not necessarily really radical in terms the vehicle itself, but in terms of the organization of the vehicle, and I think that is replicated across all the spaces where we sing huge advancements, meaning clothes we know yeah, I think of how much time you waste when work hat, which route, whereupon she you, go on this kind of transportation or that if you can get that information straight away, the amount of time humanity weights on free will learn I know I don't want everyone with the amount of time who spent under the now. I would like to point out, but I would like to start a free will. Some banal every now and then all of life can be not that now well, but I mean if we can just free up our mental faculties to machine so that we can have more space to be contemplated in dream about I've. Already on that night computer calculate pie. For me, that's great memorize, the digit, an ice
famously said, don't memorize anything that you can just look up right but think it was actually Socrates. He used to say that the technology writing was bad, because if we rode things down, we wouldn't remember things. Are we atrophy brands and, as always, in the sphere of basically outsourcing certain faculties to a technology, whether its writing or something else, but in the end, I think it freezes up to do something far greater as ain't. We get to free up space to probe what Stephen Johnson calls the adjacent possible, which is kind of this shadow future that hovers on the present state of things to map of other is my favorite example. That is was all the fear that, when technology
influenced the assembly line the productivity of assembly, why society would be so productive? You don't work two yeah exactly. Listen Melissa, I'm old enough to remember you didn't go more than a week or two before the week gleam genes, would extend. All the virtues of the city of tomorrow. The homes of tomorrow transportation of tomorrow, the kitchen of after everything was about tomorrow we will, coincidentally, on route to the moon when that was happening. The world's fair flushing, meadow queens did I create the nineteen sixty two nineteen sixty is created that worlds there. So what
into all the cities of tomorrow- and how can we not make that mistake again because you professionally are trying to create the city of tomorrow policy raucous problem, hunting that you're gonna blame? their exact crazy. We vote for them. One thing it is in the world of science is in your area. No idea can be big enough. The bigger the better Biomedical cosmic scale, but, for example, if you think about city plumbing city planning, historically house being circumvented into a sum of its parts, so, for example, if we thinking about resilient natural hazards, the flooding team or over here the heatwave team I have a here and it's all segments it and just a quick point. I think you have more heat wave teams in London than we have here, because here we have air conditioning
we salute yeah. We feel that it inside each of our old. Exactly you please go away. I don't want you make a good point through the crack teams that are specific, but if you look at, for example, of forest, think about how a forest responds to the citizens, sprang its budding its gearing up to regrow summer it peaks autumn, its losing its leaves its Janata mean the whole year is a series of changes. That's a forest in. If we look at a city Or how does your city really change to the seasons? The changes may very superficial, but we now have the technology. We have smart materials. We have adapt structures, we having entire buildings that can move- and we have to- says the information,
distance to inform those prices says ok, so that just means when the next disaster comes. You just know more about how you die, if not inventing the next disaster. In the end, this, what you want to do It's why you set your level of ambition. You know you could say well we're happy with what we ve got its light. Looking at a car and single I'm happy that it can reach this maximum speed and its safety to this degree, or you can say, that's not good enough. You can have the ambition to me faster to make it safer. We ve ten. But to accept that our cities are ass, they are, they don't have to be this way. You have a point of why they are as they are, is because its citizen re created it out of their own energies? It's why you have a community here, that's different from a community there. This is older. This is younger. This is a poor. This is more educate and that's the personality. The organic growth
city some of those failed cities that I've read about the plan, the ones we are the city planner. The annual plan modality know you but that's the irony I mean in nature things a bottom up, for example, if you think of last city. Must all city reminds me of the dome city in Logan's run because air thing is so organised and planned, and then the citizens were Bell, but as long as you allow me participating in this process of adaptation to create, if you like, the seasonality, whether or not that is the resilience to natural hazards or about the cultural activities that are going on. You know, for example, today we see billboards that use Ellie days it's all very static. You ve got layers and lies materials imagined smart materials that organise themselves at a molecular level to restructure themselves to inside
My have outside your mind, Google, at another time with your eyes ass. You go yachting this down now, but that's very interesting point that you made about the planned cities. It didn't work out because the best city seem to have a kind of self organizing property to them, and I think Jeffrey Westren, Santa Fe Institute thoughts about how cities are really like organisms. The exhibit like balikh properties and I think that's fascinating, because it goes back to the whole idea about, like the man made as just another manifestation of nature in cities are us in their an extension of us and they create spaces in which ideas can flourish and the best cities they tend to follow those patterns. Those metabolic patenting, that's fascinating, sip Melissa! look at any city take New York, not that is in every city. But it certainly an interesting city. Their buildings built a hundred years ago and buildings built yesterday, So how do you say but put all smart materials everywhere? You can rebuild everything I e economy
the strict thumbing you could have smart coatings on buildings that, for example, work in seeing whether species were changed color in response to environmental conditions, so they adopted their environment. They mitigated the HE island of usable and hide from a hurricane. Hopefully yeah I mean you know, and also the great thing about the moment is that there are experiments cities going on all over the world and those very much taken character of those nations and the most interesting things happening, whether space for experiments. Action in the developing world in Brazil, in China and you ve got kids Experiment thing, and they are hacking technology in this a city is the mother of invention, in, I think, will see more of our culture in the developed world in places like New York City and particularly, if you get two point, one: hey insurance on going to cover the damage that was done by this hurricane or when you get to the point where no one's gonna, so you out
you yourself have got to create that solution and think about the weird thing in the digital sector. If you are using technology that was a hundred years old, would you be in business in the historic cities universes, victorian sitting. It is crazy. The built environment is on the cusp of acknowledging, like God, we ve actually gonna get me the time we ve got to take advantage of this opportunity. To provide an asteroid impacts, parade of is aligned with the destructive so that both part of the same cycle of events and one leads to the other and acting nature does have a positive response to some asteroid impact sites. There
bacteria that thrive in those sites, because I reading up a new nutrients that have arrived on site and networks, It is positive for those species. They didn't go extinct, absolute. We can't survive and Astrid impact we would argue that something like Sandy or some of the extreme events that we have had their technology, is there a new engineering innovations and new systems that could build greater resilience to these things and whether or not there taken up depends on policy makers and ultimately depends on people. Knowing about this stuff, you know it exists, you're, not gonna fight, for it augurs really technologically literate policy. Absolutely the communication of these ideas in these technologies. What are some of the things that could help again, something like Sandy that you know
Europeans are the tough ones. I mean the first thing you ve gotta, think about is the complexity of the site, whether or not hurricane is really going to affect you from a structural position is always going to depend on their site that your built in Europe is going to suffer from liquefaction. It is built on very unstable foundations. So,
It's not very well position from the perspective of would be mean about it. Isn't I'm just saying it's here, but you know how to any kind of, though a little bit more about it than my though I Kiowa, but some of the results we could possibly bring in. Obviously, looking at the way that nature belts resilience, you could, for example, to stop the storms, urges you could put barriers which are in another kind of classic levies, but where you create animal graduated system, that which would help prevent now, which is also one of what really your biggest problem, is a storm such when we're engineering buildings. We haven't thought too much about extreme storm systems. You know we tended to bills. Staff is teenagers full frontal to whatever, when systems that we can plan cities that are intelligent, interacting with wind, so that you know think about ok from what direction will the winds helpful,
city. How could we re caught the kinetic impact of wind exactly the same listing? All the religions are one buildings with skyscrapers or design their design, Windsor Jewelry thought of as many do not engage rails, yeah the swing stuff, but not at the extreme level and part of ice, because it s assumption that insurance will pick up the tab, You know, that's why, when you look at tornado alley, I mean everything you just said. If I make you look at some old photos of New York from a century ago, peace or look how quaint that is with the horse, drawing care, the gender cobblestone I wish I was back in that I don't wish. I was back in their time for many reasons, but leading the list I would say, is that street now, like worse manure,
flies everywhere. Can we remember this? Please streets were dusty. That's what people worse spats to prevent us from getting on year, laces these aspects of that world. I don't want any part of let alone whose servant I would have been. So there is a big issue about how to make the streets healthier or less offensive than they work as all these flies, flies or health concern right, so they talk about with things you can put it in the worst feed to prevent the flies when wanting to reproduce in the horse It was all he conversation about this and so would solve the problem. Cars right. That was the solution to that there is another one. They were theories about the maximum number of people. You could possibly have lived her acre because of the communicable diseases that would run through it like wildfire. You wouldn't be able to stop it, so there was a help limit that was posted and no one thought about like and of acts.
So here you are trying to have a city survive hurricane and I'm saying we're going to think about the future that bring out the top folks and say: let prevent that GEO Engineering, Janjaweed branch about the engineer, a monster that eats wind. I want the data come where I need you. I don't want you to have this. I mean how to survive. A storm is like the medical community today living with a live. If we were, we cure debts that right now is living with near now, Gimme here. When you grew up, did anyone have to live with anything because people died? A lot I remember the fifty, but I think a lot of people use the double: that's why they could live with it, but actually now we do have the tills through.
Inter disciplinary approach, where now able to bring the sciences together when I'm on a global scale to reading Stan what's going on and on when we really understand what's going on, we can see those cycles. We can see those kind of events. For example, we used to think that when a natural disaster happened at a natural virgin Sally, The best thing to do is to go in and apply all these ideas we have now. We ve actually started to really study and understand ecosystems have their own repairing strategies that better read it. The we are in its hardly surprisingly, been doing it for billions of years, and I think now people get a bit scattered about. GEO Engineering and they say, oh, my god, we're gonna, be designing the weather and is already scary. It caprice stuff that actually is pre incremental. It could be very subtle.
How amazing it is whenever we watch the time, lapse. Video like a skyscraper being built at three months accelerated, and would you see that has just been realised in real time when seen through time lapse, who I think that form? ass during of biotechnology. Nanotechnology makes all of the physical world basically are clay. Arrest literally realise into being, we can turn deserts into oases. It's like dream. Engineer without a world building stuff, but in time lapse mode like it'll, be on that I'll. Do it right some of this stuff, though first in Brazil, in trying to re? Well, if you are able to see if you were able to see an entire city, if you were able to see New York and fast forward in five hundred years of development or three hundred years of developing use, it literally our thoughts transform the world in men. The decisions of individuals, overtime and economic disease. We will make change the topography of a place. We changed. The pot replace more than geology, does
If we give fast forward that it would be like that, I think used to be a mountainous place, and now it's days we left a few mountains in just four four scenery, otherwise, Yeats, our island. We can tear reform, we set about tariff forming other plans. We can tear form Ireland Planet imminent. We say this is really expensive real estate. Let's add some will you could have another building and we look at that upon islands in Dubai. There's just astonishing. You look different Sky is the future of the earth. I might there be unintended consequences we are facing now, climate change That is where is there's always gonna, be unintended consequences. The man that discovered fire was probably bird at the stake by his neighbor technology, extends our sphere of possibility again extended in positive ways and negative ways in there can be unintended consequence. But you know it's you look at it as a single system,
it's a self remedying system. Will you know when something it doesn't? And then, if a guy with a dozen then we would dialysis not in our interests is not an evolutions interest for that to happen. So it's like if evolution becomes self aware them yellow arrogant? But if we can take control over evolutionary destiny, then we can sort of remedy the consequences that we didn't choose. Like global warming cook exiting good to fix it. After the worst well yeah or or see it coming before, it's too much of a problem and addressing so what then of the forest analogue, which I thought was so beautifully conveyed where things are unbalanced over the billion years that it took to figure out what balance was its imbalance and everything we do that trips up? What nature wanted to do on its own yet is gonna. Have some Ruby cube effect down the line and maybe it'll get ahead of us
why else? Is it that every science fiction novel I've ever read that reach for the latest discover a technology portrayed a this future, because that makes a better story, but I think that the fact we're still here, I think it met. Ridley wrote a great book rather rational optimist. He did a TED talk when ideas have sex and basically talks about the last hundred you progress at all the ways in which the world is getting better through all these incremental increase. If that's, it doesn't make the news, what makes the news is if it bleeds Lee, Then we have these brains that overactive and make the less looking for danger. Is that what we have inherited as a way to survive
positive. You know you have you have Stephen, we have these men or that you have everything Steven Pinker, the myth of violence. The chances of a man died at the hands of another man. Today are the lower than they ever been. You know we ve, we have increased the population of the world, but the percentage of people living in poverty and actually gotten smaller. I mean there's all of these ways in which we have improved the world, but it's just it's not given that spent in the news, because this is not what we pay attention to. I think the important science fiction is bringing menacing, because it's very easy for us to get it above. Our thousands think we think it is right that the subject is fear of technology. Day that you are talking about any future world is a great maybe to watch nineteen. Seventy six film, where the I'd areas, the artificial intelligence sauces out that humans are a threat to the planet, so decides, is gonna, kill off our leaders and replaced with clients in those planes can interact the sum total of the topic Ecological Energy YAP. We should be scared by unintended consequences, but you know what, if you don't get a good
staring at the bad guys are going to do it anyway, so horse shoes, we gonna, wrap up here, just if we have enlightened policymakers and if money flows and all the ways and needs to technologically how long into the future. Before we have the city of the future, that you imagine very saying that I want a marked quantitative answer than that. We will have very smart cities binding twenty twenty eight years, yet whether that is the kind of bionic city I'm talking, I'm getting a timeline of between twenty forty and twenty fifty ok, I was sitting on it is like the far you me yeah contribution melody you do. I have an estimate is to win that might happiness
You know a well if it occurs. Whilst predictions are correct, I think over the next thirty years the world is going to be transformed in ways that make the last thirty years look negligible. I think that we could see that level of transformation. However, every exponential growth of anything every period will say that about the previous period fair enough. That's what exponential growth, notably the case. I have a quote from the Brooklyn Daily Eagle Year, nineteen hundred December thirty, first, the editor rights. We can scarcely imagine that any advances in transportation in the twentyth century will rival that which we have accomplished in the nineteenth century right, but we had railroad, lies, accolade original right and we need us revolution. We transcended the limits of our muscles with the digital revolution, we're transcending the limits of our mind, transcend and transcended around airports. Back then could have made the same statement at each period. Yes, I'm just saying so. I dont see your statement now as special over time.
Next person say the negative you're absolutely right. I think we can always an exponential growth in Europe. I think that we can always rely on our cosmic restlessness to assure that we're never done. I think we should pursue join me in thanking my panel starts. We should listen. The star talk, commercial, free, joint star talk, I'm patriarch for as little as five dollars per month and the ads will disappear. Learn more at patriarch dot com last star talk radio,
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