Neil deGrasse Tyson looks at the relationship between television and American culture, with the help of writer and producer Norman Lear, author Saul Austerlitz, and co-host Chuck Nice. Plus, Bill Nye remembers “All in the Family.”
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Skip the commercials support star talk on patriarch to listen to every episode, commercial free welcome to start off your place in the universe where science and pop culture collapse. Norton begin right now, many we're featuring my interview with Norman Lear. Norman Lear. The legendary tv rider and producer, perhaps best known for creating all in the family back in the nineteen seventies, so I ve got as my committee co host
Jack knife always good to have you here? I was gonna, be our talk. We didn't come jackknife calming. May I body go right, you feel succumbing. You know I kind of always feel sit commie. You know what I mean like I wake up and there's a laugh tractor. Some people have a sound track to their life. I have allowed in my life, so you you turn it we have nobody's laughing any discussion of Succumbs in Amerika. I need somebody who's. We're gonna need, even though such a person existed in this land, while it ain't make you buddy. Sitting right dear left, added,
saw us through its all, welcome to start, you wrote a book called com history in twenty four episodes from Island Lucy to community. That's right and these we, like your favorite, chose throughout yeah. It's a mixture of some my favorite shows and some shows like Gillikins Island. I've watched more absent of Gilligan violent than any one else should ever have definitely an expert. Now this isn t you boast about this gets you dates at the bar right or a combination of pride and am. I right is the best kind of actually was guilty about Gillies Island Good, or did you just have to be in the book like from your professional opinion? It is really bad, it's really really bad, but we No, the theme song so exists. Something was good enough about it too just work its way into our soul and it's kind of representative of a particularly bad air.
Television. Why? Up up up up? We get back to you on how bad words not imagine what it actually killed a three hour tour industry is levelled at so he's the king of the circle. Gotta, be Norman, there's gotta, be Norman Lear and makes us who invented an entire genre from which we never looked back. Wasn't just a regular old tv producer. He produce shows that I made you think in ways. No one made you think before putting real issues in topic. He came by my office at the Hague Planetarium and I snared an interview with Norman Lear, all ninety two years of check it out, Sir thanks for coming.
I'm happy tanks and you are, I cannot believe you ending due to lack the means. You see everything, so you were born before quantum physics was discovered. I was never told you that just a few one by one under refrigerated before airplane, not before their plan. I got. I know my history well enough for that by being, for there are plans in the sky cause when, when for the reject before was a common way to get around three point before Limburg crossed the Atlantic before Quantum Physics was discovered before the expanding universe was discovered before hobble, the main, not not the top, the man discover.
That there is more than one galaxy in the universe, tat. We live in the milky way and you look out and though these fuzzy things and people thought you just fuzzy things and hobbled showed that these are actual other galaxies. Island universes unto themselves, you're, wonderful, all this. So what what is it what you ve seen everything. What is it? What is it I know so at some point so so so I we'd like to believe that folks, who have seen everything Herod carry some wisdom in some insight began. The truth of it was a at eighty, eight and eighty nine. Back when you were younger when I was younger yeah that didn't occur. That much when one turns ninety suddenly one is supposed to have a great deal of with them. We don't change everybody
the changes. I now get. Applause standing up, and everybody assumes I'm why nobody is somehow Why is that? Eighty eight, eighty nine, I swear nineties Normally I gotta biography out. I want to buy out if he called even this, I get to experience and They came out last October. There was great just get names I got more clips to come. I just love the fact that one Norman Leir drops by like how cool and too You are probably the only person to ever interview him who start your interview with Damn you are, he took it well. Why are you not so interesting for me? Is he pioneered content on sitcoms
and putting in material that previously comes wouldn't come near and I will get back more on that a little later, but when I think of content that people might have been afraid to put in today, I look at shows like the Big bang theory. That's all science in their front to back up and down the middle. It is the geek sphere, the geek culture, first through the lives of scientists Phd scientists, and that was surely a taboo, if not scary, topic for writers in the day and at what do? How do you feel about what does it mean for producers to say I really do something. No one is done before that. Take some gonads right to pull that off. Definitely, although at the same time, the Big bang theory is a very traditional kind of sitcom with a laugh track, and it is feels very conventional and away, but the scientific asp
There is definitely something a bit different so that there are a lot of science jokes in that sitcom I've. I've watched with a couple of times- and I to say that there are not shy about broaching the subject of science in where they make jokes. It's real science either you have made, and we hope about so you guys each of you back. Let's go back to. Seventys when Norman Lear made its mark. How old were you jerk? Were you born? Yet now I was groovy That was my that's my knees back in the seventies regroup. How big was your for how we measure was born in several important avenues in ok and you were you a participant in the seventies you at this point in the late? Seventy in the lake? Seventy, so most of what you wrote about is from history books yeah cause. We want at av land, reruns and tv or the reruns. Ok, you can get to feel it in the moment at the emerald. Listen up,
when you right now so so. Can you comment on on shows that our rich and social commentary and the risk that the producer takes in that is there well. I think it's interesting it Norman Leir, really pioneered in that sphere. You know this shows from the nineteen sixty in particular were very bland, domestic and normally a really blew that up a show like all in the family premier, and it did all of the things that tv was not supposed to do to be topical to be adventurous to be dead.
I'm not supposed to do means. No one thinks you can make money doing it right now about money, right, a bright and being scared of of really engaging with the issues of the era so shows like all in the family and MASH and Mary Tyler, Marshal of which premier pretty much the same two year period are suddenly tackling the norm and civil rights and feminism in a way that had never really thought somebody had to say this is a topic deserving of even a sick com, not just of documentary exact right, and so we can wonder what could motivate someone to do this right. That's that's absolute like I said this is because it doesn't make sense if you think about it, doesn't make any sense at all, given the other. It was on the time or that created the legacy of sitcoms, like I love Lucy or by some of my favorite so the day we're like green acres and others a crane The shows that have nothing to do with any social conditions at all and deliberately avoid any social conditions are definitely did
really avoid yeah right, like always sure today, so given how audacious such a step is, it makes you wonder what could possibly motivated him to break them all this fine now back my office. What was motivating me just like you know what what we and our families relevant. We talked about what is happening with our kids. What then back to a greater voucher. You have to think that somebody wants to watch that and before you are programmes, tv then, and often now was an escape for people. They didn't have to think hard thoughts, I mean I want a city is saying this is real and I'm gonna showed back too. You know I went to prison and I was nine years old- buying the furniture now's my father's in prison in my lab and some strange full puts his hat.
My shoulder and says you're the man of ours. Now now that's sad as could be and funny as hell, I'm the man twelve years old, and this is drawing depression, and this is my last point. Eighteen, twenty two, your nine years, all this waiting, thirty one item, twelve years, all young eighteen, thirty, three yeah so I think I must be old man most must at that point, to see them humor in the healing and the human condition cause there's that now always wonder, what must have gone through Norman Lears, mind to turn sticky social issues in two things that are just hilarious. Making everyone laugh we'll find out. When we come back. We're back dartle from the whole of the universe
we're featuring my interview with Norman Lear, the incredible tv producer, ninety two year old Norman Leir, who lived through the depression who who saw world war to use active and we're we're. To was a soldier in and makes you wonder how much, how does this influence someone's life someone's plight? Someone's sense of humour, even so, I'm just wondering what what mental process empowered him to make people laugh over things that might otherwise sound like tragic, let's find out? How did you make people laugh because that's a secret rest I don't know what that is. How did you do that that few people. Can do something doesn't make it a secret Edith. Trying to tell her neighbor hunger around all family, trying to tell our neighbour,
she may have breast cancer that she Edith may have breast cancer as a very serious moment, but we know either and we know she can't say the words not me, but she has the problem, but because breast is a word you people say- implied company initiatives, my certainly not in the nineteen term. Certainly not, It should be the same needed today of writing, but but certainly not a nineteenth century. And at the other woman who we know in the end the audience you're gonna find out have had breast cancer and when through it and has no problem, there's no hilarity to be had there, but there is a amusement and and so and they end those websites, hardier and warmer, because the audience is caring.
A great deal about the outcome. I hadn't thought to think about it that way, if your invested in, if you, if you care, then it's a different kind of laughed and if it's just celerity right, that's that's it. That's a brilliant distinction there and we went for those kind of last year. There were about in a serious problem with these people. And when they were called on to laugh at the other guys, frustration in and fear fear they made it more they whom a more tender and as a result funny guy man saw, is their difference between funny then and funny today. I think that the kind of top quality that we are practised is not as much in evidence. Today. It's really fallen away. It's been replaced by a different kind of comedy, which I think is equally sophisticated, but is more self referential more comedy about common,
and less invested in the kinds of tangled and thorny social issue? What I'm an amateur comedy about comedy mean something like community or thirty rock shows that are very much about the process of making comedy that are about comes about it, ok, on the table. These also guess what would produce something I ordered at a fresh very soon I dont yes, like the do they had seen within the scene. That's what we're looking at now exactly workers were already in on the job we already rail How do you make difficult stuff funny? You know? I don't, Does that mean you can't make a funny little difficult start? No, I don't. I don't really do not actually know I do The thing that you have to do is not talk about the difficulty. You talk about what surrounds it oh, you know, for instance, before my father died,
he was in the hospital and I know it was gonna die and I did jokes about might being in the hospital, but I never talked about him being sick. So that's Corbett distance. There is, in order to use that phrase right permission to allow bring science you find a way to brace of orbit? Ok, so, but I only floating so you find something. That's that's in arms reach of the tragedy right that gives you more comedic later Is that a fair way to put your the fact is pretty much? Everyone knows somebody who's been sick, so, instead of talking about the person and their sickness? I find a way to really that experience, because that's really were colony is you're relating experiences. So what we really want to know from Norman Lear is how far
take the limit of the comedy you will reach war? We come back, have secret for you I'm gonna consider singing all of the ads on this shell there's just one. And where to get out of hearing there go to patriarch arms last star talk and sub where does at the five dollar level or higher, to listen. The star talk ad free you can download all current episodes into your favorite podcast player and never We're here, another commercial on star talk ever again. You will definitely not have to hear me saying if you support us at Patria, dark coms. Last our talk, radio I mean- I'm just thinking I mean just say-
talking about the impact of sort of edgy sitcom comedy, as I nearby legendary tv producer, Norman Lear and in particular, something that he did, that I don't know the people much before he managed to create comedy folded and woven within feelings that he was able to bring out from you for the characters that he betrayed. So the fact that you cared about the cap yours enabled a whole other level of comedy to be reached for let's check it out in the nineteen Seventys, we were there high inflation, the women's liberation movement, was emerging right on the heels of the civil rights movement, and so then you have like Maud right. I mean that was
very strong character and puts their issues. You dealt with like like mental pause. Who test That's that's all day. That's my mother, my eyes, my daughter's! They all deal with it. So what so this? So the message here is that we need to take creative people just expose into every problem in the world. Could then he'll turn it into something that the rest of can embrace and react to. You know is simpler than that. We don't have to take them in exposed if they live and they are expose. I know, but we know we're afraid to talk about it. We afraid. Maybe no one else has it. We don't Oh, how we don't really understand our feelings. We need someone to interpret our feeling force. Isn't that that's what you do is an hour I'm thinking about the interpreting our feelings, I
think more raw catching that are now seeking to catch them, not interpreted? They interpret their feelings. I'm something about that. This is not a casual ass. Her you say interpretive their feelings. That President Clinton gave you a national mental, the arts. What was in a citation for that today, did I hear in particular for that by reflecting society and television shows reflecting helping people understood? Well, I guess you see. Interpreting is not far off help. Israel understands you, like my word, interpret ram, rethinking advance that is, I've read. You know, let's take a specific example in Maud she and her husband discuss whether not she should have an abortion and in another episode, Edith wants to invite her african American,
Bruce over for dinner Jesus, seeing that in order to so so these are. These are frontier issues. I think with interesting. Is that we end up not so much just talk. It's not just an episode about abortion is an episode about a character that we care about a character that we know really intimately like Maud thinking about having an abortion and instead of there being an episode of all in the family. That's about integration and some sort of arid way. It's an episode about how's, Archie Bunker, going to risks and when an african American sits down in his arm chair. So it's really bringing at home making a very famous answer in his favour. Yes, yes, so is there anything today? That's that edgy or we If we touch all the edges and no edges left, I dont think and networks had conquered, haven't episode about abortion today without people being up in arms about so we ve regressed in some way,
Yes, so their levels here you can imagine influencing the viewer but habit influencing people who then influence we once others and there's a multiplier effect. So, let's see Norman there's reaction to knowing that you can affect people and other people who those people effect themselves as fine, so wanting to influence the public is another thing to influence people who then continue to influence, and when I read that a tray Parker one of the creators of South Park was influenced by, the irreverence of your storytelling and we might not have had South Park Certainly, nobody wanted to do that. They loved Archie Bunker They decided to do Archie Bunker as a small boy continent. They have said. You can find no than at all
Who would I didn't know that I didn't? I know that I, like I did you you do know that was new to me. What you did notice no smell. We back the next. So I see the datum that lets. You know, though, with back to what we were talking about the changes, so you can be irreverent when you are animals. Ah, the animated cartoons are completely and totally irreverently guy, like family guy, this again and South Park of human people, Canada Ideal, because you can do a cartoon, I guess only issue which the most influential should come on your life in my life here on your life, I guess Seinfeld cycles are right in your native anywhere. I know I grew up in LOS Angeles wow wool. Ok, but you Maude. Yes,
because I'm not married to an aging woman going through men, salvage people employed others. We want to know what other forces influence them I ask that of Norman Lear, I'm gonna find out when we return on start Norman Layer pioneered succumb television, but I'm a science person. So I would like to know that. Has science touched people's lives in any way I'd even in such a way?
and I wanted to see knowing that Norman Leir live through and observed the space programme and the moon shot. I wanted to know. Did this touch him in some way that otherwise influences life? Let's find out what he says office when we landed on the moon, given how much you had seen how impossible was that in your mind, your state of mind, was it we landed on the moon. Anything is possible because we used to think it was impossible. Is that I think I was wore an observer who was fascinated to the point of thrilled. By reaction. I was observing in the world around almost anthropological, seeing the yes more that I guess I being bore the scientist observing it then the
The eventual participating in the celebration itself. In my book I that's a kind of a theme we in his in his autobiography it's even this. I get to experience. He talks all about how this happens, and so I was wondering how things effect you what's going around going on in life and in society. The fourth force science might have on you and it can affect you. I think, even if you're, not conscious of it at four, for example, in what's the number one succumb today, the big bank, there, the Big bang theory- and I think We have a relationship with that, even even, if you don't know anybody like that, their characters are entertaining, though they be caricatures their entertaining, and so what kind of what ass did it require to pitch a show on science when no one else
doing it, no one had ever done it would. I think I have a theory that they didn't say it was a show about science. They live on the name alone: the Big Bang theory and the people in Hollywood. Like so. That's your theory now, ok so signs his chin. Over the years and can influence you in different ways. And I'm just curious. The changing landscaper science might have influence Norman layers. Let's find out what he did. You know we're living at a time where I'm hearing from kids in college and kids about to go to college and from people around them that you have to go into business to make money And making money is where TAT I say that one
they ve been Bay, the greatest disappointment science, which was bigger premium. It seems to me ten years ago is diminishing along with a lot of along with medicine, a lot of other things as it is as a career in interest for young people, because hedge funds and investment and real estate and so forth, deliver so much more money, so much with so much less education. So it's a brain drain from one sealed to another from the fields that could be shaping our future two fields where people just get rich, but at some point to getting rich off of industries and innovations that somebody has to be.
Engaged in on the other side of that fact about tell those who, like pebbles on the page, you known you work at the beach, we'll pick him up like the reason why laughing, because Isaac Newton has a very famous quote where he refers to pebbles on the beach, with my surety actually paraphrase it sometimes. I feel like a child. Picking up pebbles on the beach keeping one that is more shiny than the other when the ocean of undiscovered truths lay before me, that's great. All all the truth, around thirty five, I was profound Newton. Just perfect profound guy got
you know what something tells me he sums. Halsey Isaac Newton is alone I'll just say so. Can you reflect on TVS attitudes to science over the years? I think popular culture in general has gotten a more positive attitude. Science recently away from the kind of doom and gloom of scientists causing doomsday Boy towards alternative for in the sixties, where my favorite martian sure right and we had a dream, a genie sure that one one of my favorite shows ever because they were, astronauts or because I guess that's why? Because of the aspects, I was a sensitive time in my hormonal development that show how all I could think of how much really idiot he is that, through this woman a gmo? You do anything with any does, but these distracted by his his astronaut career yeah well, because we all know the first wish that most of us will have, as I want to
view directed towards evening, you look just like you, so So would you agree that things are improving capital? More confidence, normally or had in this common yeah. I think you can look like add a film like interstellar, which has a really positive outlook on science and the scientists are the heroes of the film and enter fully fleshed out characters with emotion, in families and end their husbands and wives and children and grandparents exactly there not just sort of Doktor Strangelove figures right right, we're wire Herod people with lab coats that you We addressed when you need an answer, and then you leave him behind, not caring if they ve ever been in love or whether they actually have genuine personalities or our planet Scientists feel love. So do you see a bright future for more science in sitcoms, given the success of the Big bang theory, I think in some ways the Big Bang theory is likely to be one of our times. It's it's hard for me. To imagine away that another said com is going to be. How could you possibly say that when there is unclear
phone numbers of doctor dramas lawyer dramas, cop dramas, not going to say this one science program, you can't think of others. I would love to see more, but I'm guessing that network executives are likely to say well, the Big bang theory already cut. I don't know for gonna go back, there was less action or we already had a doctor programme ten years ago, when I can have another, doesn't know that disagreed imitators. Something tells me you you have just said yeah can I change. My answer is I know you're too late, so we know Norman Lear, help change and mature our attitudes as television viewers, and he did that period of time where there are yet leave sitcoms that had spin offs. It comes the Jefferson's Maud and the like, but what's the up to lately he's ninety two years? All these still at it. Yes
he still at and way. When he came by my office, I had to say what it would you been doing, late you'll find out after the break in a moment and start What do you start off from the hall of the universe to the American Museum of Natural history check nice, like I said it's always good, to have an expert on sitcoms. I didn't even think that was a thing to be, and you are that so great to have you here, because topic of interest, this whole show has been Norman Leir all ninety two years of. We know from his pioneering succumbs decades ago, but I wonder what he had been up to lately and he told me he he founded and organizational people for the american way, and I I heard about it, but I do know quite much about it, because it sounds very Republicans
the let's find out what he leaves people for the american way. I did a sixty second commercial TB appear say in reaction to the proliferation of NGO, oppose on television, mixing politics and religion, then it had a and a working their final piece of factory equipment. Clearly, but the hijab he's look, and the camera and he says that he and his wife and his kids sit around the kitchen table talking politics, and they I disagree about a lot of things now come in. She's on the radio and television telling you and telling them that they are good Christians or bad ones depending on their part the whole point of view, so he wins abstainers. Gotta be something wrong when anyone, even a minister told you, you are a good or a bad christian community.
The political point of view. That's not the american way and I took it to Father Hesper, Notre Dame and he just let them He said made and the guys say what I just said was terrific. He said: you know. You're gonna find Norman that mean I'm church leaders will agree with you, but in addition to what you are saying, political, somebody else that's troubling them in me. I should what it said, Sir said: the way they tortured scripture and those words let bake in my head. So it's interesting because he did that in the nineteen eighties. That's when that organization was founded, I don't, member religion being a topic in any of his sitcoms. Was it not quite so much now so much Archie Bunker is obviously an equal opportunity. Bigots alliance is gibes, are out there.
As members of religious group unanimously the jewellers. Unless so so, what do you think those taboo back? Then I think it is taboo in the same way that a lot of the other topics that all in the family and some of his other shows TAT yet, when he tackled environment have apparently to taboo for him until later on, when all shows we're done. He takes on a whole other political angle, now there's some pretty funny jokes and on the family about knowledge, and I gotta get me one. Well I mean Archie is talking about how he's respects the Bible and yours That's so much that he doesn't want to ever go to church. So Archie reasoning, larger us have argued under your, doesn't have anything to do with the local priest. It's it's too much of a good thing, while at the same time he's lecturing. You know various people in his household about what the Bible there doesn't ok, Buddy Buddy, no time is their conflict talked about
between religion and any other emergent philosophies, or even science, of course, that they know is even gone there. Yet now, in fact, let's go back to my unit with Norman Lear and just talk more a little bit more about religion and politics and at what he tells us. I don't see any problem with them, making their religion a big point of why there they would get elected if that is who there representing so May she was a scientist is if someone tries to take a religious philosophy and then create legislation based on that, because any legislation affects everybody. No matter your religion and then there's you and overstepping sort of the privacy of and the sanctity of a belief system. But my that's what happens and I believe, when God gets in the palace, where my senses
perhaps the next thing I want to do is Sunday Morning non sectarian church service that celebrates our common humanity and and and what kind of secularism is right. I mean as an aspect of it: yes, but it's not really just like a lot of things are not really disguise at once I don't want to do away with guide or anybody's set specific method of prayer, belief, but belongs here like no to the prince. No two snowflakes, no two peoples compact with the almighty, the deity. God is the same in It's so much the bologna of each of us keep it there keep their keep it in the family, keep it in the church and the public
where we celebrate that river of reverence that nurtures all of us, that's sms, as one more as a general idea occurred when we come back We want to tackle one of my favorite subjects of them all the cosmic perspective on starting back on the American Museum of Natural history. So, of course we know that tv can our entire view of the world affect our motions, are actions, maybe even how we vote a person who is an expert not only in comedy but also on the role of television and influence. Our lives is a good friend of mine bill, nigh the science guy. Let's find out what he has to say,
about this topic. Miracle: museum, natural history, sir, if you would so Norman Lear Crew, in television that we had. Never before you are saying, is our media reflects society like whatever is going on in society, are going to see it in our media in our newspapers and television shows, but Norman Lear gave us something to think about it. We want to show, as I remember the scene and all in the family when he bunker- has a beer Sammy Davis Jr takes a sip of hands it back to him. An Archie Bunker ass to decide whether or not it's gonna take a sip from a black. Beer Everybody knew the implications like this is why one is
I mean we're all humans we're all in this together, but somehow we feel that we're different from each other, so Norman Lear took three centuries of injustice in slavery and crystallized for you to evaluate in just thirty seconds. I mean that is not easy to do, but Norman Leir did show. After show week after week, year after year, you ve got to respect their weight ago. Mr Mere you change the world, bring on the light I can't believe only people drive in this town. We ve been reaching my interview with Norman Lear. He came by the in my office in me I said: let me nab him first
interview time and we did. I generally carry with me a cosmic perspective. How I think about the world and how it all together, and one of the things I worry about is how people can take hours we have of the universe and cherry pick it in ways that serve only their private interests or their political, cultural, social rights. This interest- and I wondered- is there a way that the creed? you have. Norman Lear can be brought to bear on solving this problem. Let's find out what he told me Very I talk about it Sister of some years ago, she was complaining about something in her community and I see well what'd. You write a letter to the mayor of the Aldermen Herb Council banner and she said well, I'm clearly, I'm not knowing where
so I call her back a couple of days later. I says he thinks she would not possibly of the influence that you would. Yes, she led the name and there the implants- and I said Clare- and this is a prayerful woman, a woman who thinks about it- I said Clare we are living on planet among which there are they tell us. There are billions. And the universe of which they tell us. It could also be billions. And this has been going on for, but who knows? How long can you get your fingers closed to measure the difference, the influence. Any two of us for the importance of any to us You being one individual on a planner, Barbellion IONA Reza Billions and well, but but you could do better than well but
That's because, as I see it so that way. And that's important costs, but we call a cosmic perspective. Is the bigger view? Yes, and I think about tat where everything is in context, the size and scale in time and everything the master saw just two shows like his just make people laugh or do they actually empower? People too then take responsibility for changing society. I think they definitely empower people. I think what s interesting is that this come from very beginning has been a very domestic medium about the home about the family and what normally or in some of the other innovators, the nineteen seventeen managed to do. Was they took that domestic form and invested it with some of the hot button issues of the time and made those personal as well shows any evidence that people changed after this. Do the people more easily election of what we already know is out there. I think it's a MAC setting
changes people's perspective, but with sitcoms you look at modern family. Don't you think that that is add something to do with the way that we view that will people war is now much of what we already know is out there, who, I think, it's a mixing. It depends on the show, I think it's always falling behind and catching up and jumping ahead. I mean You mentioned modern family, but I think I show like willing grace really a photographer push life. You know about willingly out about what counts as a secondary, definitely not a drama yet, and I think that that definitely had some influence. And the way that we thought about gay people and their relationship to society in general. I mean sitcoms come into our house, so the people who star answer comes are our like our surrogate friends, so I think encountering a person on a regular basis, even on tv, begins to change people's attitudes in a way that other things are.
I sincerely that encouraging, because the characters on the Big bang theory there all caricatures of what they represent, but I'd like to think that everyone wants to for a geek friend rigid, a party right, I'm not allowed to Saint, I'm avail, your geek car, so Norman layers. Ninety two years old- and I did not want to end my interview with him without asking him four words of wisdom for us all, find out. Somebody told me this once how's fussing around trying to something like this thence answered the questioner further, some people and Anna rabbinic looking. I was she agree was older, came up to me afterwards. He said mister the I try to tell you in the What you took so long trying it was criticising The swedish way- and he said
a man should have a garment with two pockets and the first package a piece of bread, ravages retina, but thus and ashes. I am proverbial grain of sand about the breach of life, and the second pocket should be. Piece of paper on which is written. For me, the world was created while few things have resonated so clearly cleanly with me. Why me? Why didn't, but was Neil Jason Boy for, if not for this moment at this moment is for me, following the camera, doesn't know it, is going to be here now for me. You see, I was born. Now two years ago to be here for all of you, I'm confused my job
these have five pockets reminded of a quote similar to that. I think it was my mark TWAIN who said the two most important days of your life today the born and the day. You learn why? Oh my guests, my co host check nice tweeting, it just chuck NICE Comic S, right, Chuck, nice guy and saw thanks for coming on my plans, you gonna blow for having you got to book a second history in twenty four episode from Island Lucy to community, but I'm gonna buy that now because I didn't oh, you can do that with the aid. Of course, Norman Leir is all about even this I get to experience. This has been start on. The collision of science in part,
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