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CAFE Insider 07/29: Mueller Testimony Aftermath

2019-07-29 | 🔗
In this clip from the CAFE Insider podcast, "Mueller Testimony Aftermath," co-hosts Preet Bharara and Anne Milgram discuss Russian interference in the 2020 election and the forthcoming nomination of Texas Representative John Ratcliffe to replace Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats. To hear the full episode, join the CAFE Insider community. REFERENCES & SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE IN U.S. ELECTIONS “Report on the Russian Active Measures Campaigns and Interference in the 2016 U.S. Election,” Volume 1, Senate Intelligence Committee, 7/25/19 Preet’s tweet about Trump & Putin’s discussion to form an “impenetrable Cyber Security unit” in 2017, 7/28/19 “Mitch McConnell blocks election security legislation,” CBS News, 7/26/19 “Russians probably targeted election systems in all 50 states, Senate panel’s report says,” Washington Post, 7/25/19 See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This either. The saying I would charge- or I would definitely charge, there's a piece there. I feel We strongly that there's something about accountability, that were missing right now and then we have to figure out like what is the accounting the mechanism and, let's even talk about the twenty twenty election peace cow. Do we get to a point where we hold our current government accountable for the fact that our election systems, it said that report him at last Thursday from the intelligence committee. The by parcel report said that all fifty states had had election interference off if all fifty year, extraordinary, I mean there's a lot. We can talk about this, but one of the things I was I found chilling was this question. They have the beginning as what's the motive, and so did you follow this like there's two possible things they have the first is that the Russians were infill trading. All these systems and they have ip addresses. Internet protocol, dresses that the Russians were sending to these are. Let me
the election systems where they were able to sort of access. Information about voters when possible motives first one they say is that there were testing it out for future use and that to me is killing the second option. With which I actually found less compelling was to basically influence the election by showing their ability to central I can into these voting systems. There are lots of reasons. Why don't think that's his car full of an analysis, but this is real the serious what do we do about a free, no pressure there and rebuild their pending in the Congress, the witch which Mcconnell Descent Majority wants to move on the bottom.
problem in all this is that the president doesn't want any of these things to get attention even on going forward basis, because any suggestion that there will be interferes in the future. He does not suffer that from interference in the past and even though all the until services say there is interference, even though there is basically unanimity that the Russians interfered and the interfered in the side of present drop in one present from to win, That undermines present trumps vanity about the legitimacy of the election in any attention to a going forward, even though it's good for the country, he is like an emphasis on. I was on monsignor late on the evening of the testimony with Rob Razor republican lawyer. Support of the president in the thing we talked about was. Why does the President show some leadership
Actually they will be good for him. He could say. Look I won the genuinely say what everyone say between sixteen I to care about America. I took care, but elections. I took her about democracy and I to care about interference were foreign adversary, so we should pass these laws and we should be strong going forward and its good framed for another reason. If the thing he cares about the most with his fragile ego is doubt about the legitimacy of his election, he could get reelected. I know people who want to hear that, but he could easily get real and if he has not taken any effort to do something about it, and there is, as we know, there will be some forms of interference between twenty election. He will then have the burden of having defend against a second illegitimate election right because he never did anything about it and, in fact, in the last time round encouraged it even though you get charged for it. seems to be, if not encouraging it at least passively, allow it to happen, and the other thing is once people have seen in other countries, the Russians basically gotten away with it. There's no price to pay from the president. Other countries gonna get
on the two completely may, as like the United States, elections are open for business an end. So why would a foreign adversary a hostile state power? Not do it you tweet it out last week, and I thought this was a great thing linked to one of the Donald Trump tweets was, from July nine. Twenty seventeen I swear to you. I thought I like I in your tweet was wish. Someone had asked mauler about this tweet reporter still can ask Trump about the abject idiocy and disloyalty chose and here's the Donald J Trump tweet and I discussed forming an impenetrable cyber security unit so that section hacking and many other negative things will be guarded. It's like the fox in the Hen House, one or one he's like. Why? Don't we just let volumes and take over election security, and he can do whatever he wants to do, and I mean it about the next time. Anybody, Maria by Roma women? What happened to her or anyone else? So how does the president shall
Some of these statements is, it's not just not sure about the ocean He literally was saying we're gonna get together with Putin. The person who was responsible Election interfere and whose state agents have been charged with committing crimes related to packing entire election and say let's you and I shall impenetrable was impenetrable impenetrable, but it's really very unclear and impenetrable cyber sick. already unit but garden. Maybe he meant what he said guard the negative things. What does it say it in so that election, hacking and many other negative things will be guarded? Genetics will be guarded, shouted he actually is very clever, so we can. We can preserve the interference the bad things about him will never come out. They can be guarded to your point you're right about this about how important it is for the country itself a very foolish to think that all the hacking from foreign adversaries will benefit you, as the president currently believes right. It could be What goes around comes round in some future election. There could be some country design.
You want the Democrat to win and it is all bad for us, it's bad for him, a foreign power on either side pushing into the election. One thing I want to I'm an disclose one of my past secrets period, which is then you may not know their rights. We get some music. When I was a g, I ran the division of elections for the state of New Jersey and I agreed to give to the Secretary of State, because the easy really should not run the division elections in Sir, for many reasons, purchased way too complicated. I also ran by the way mixed martial arts. and the horse you just showing you just narrow, showing that's gonna, be like a joke of what what I can speak to put one of the things I ran the barbecue. Have you did your years all barbecue results, but I didn't really run it. There was a figure and that's a pretty good thing. The barbecue dinosaur barbecue very brig, Yummy, Lufthansa, going to the joint intelligence report, the came at last Thursday weren't things that they have
lay dead, and I think is so important to talk about is the fact that the states are just not equipped to deal with election hacking by a sophisticated state run far. Adversary, and I can tell you fuck, I think, the election folks that for the same Jersey, George, eight talented is no way that this they're, not cyber security experts. They wouldn't know how to respond. There's so much that the federal it needs to do and airspace and two to say that, turn charge of elections. Okay, but there are plenty of spaces. Take education, for example, that are hybrids where the federal government has standards and rules, and the states also have standards and rules, and so there is a space here that if we do not fix this, we will never be able to feel confident our elections, because that is a level of sophistication that the states they just don't have, and I don't expect them to have people in college Mcconnell from Germany Macro, believes the hold on these bills and put them on the floor. So one thing we're sitting on the panel
seen in last week was there was a congressmen Rackliff who some people like this. When I said- twitter, he was prefect of questioning, asked this question about the inversion of the burden and whether or not there was any policy backing for mothers, apparent decision to say no exonerate women talk without a lot, and I think there could answer that. I think it is not quite fair what I'm insane, but it was effective tissues. A pretty strong questioner and I got, my attention and mother was not able to push back at him in the way that I thought he might have been able to and some of the Son a panel said well, he was gonna he's auditioning for the job of director of National intelligence, DNA and after reporting as we come into the studio on Monday morning July. Twenty knife is that he's gonna be nominated because their coats former centre, never on the same page. Quite on the same page without Europe has announced his resignation and it looks like coats is being pushed out just clear, it looks like the president has treated out negative things about cuts in the past and we should talk about Anko
Just for second he's, a former senator. He also like other members of the intelligence committee has been very strong in saying that Russia has the election and that we need to do more for election security. So he has been at odds with the president. I would our very much on the substance of what happened in TWAIN. Sixteen I think codes has been. Honourable. I don't want to endorse it. Things done, but I think he's very much been willing to step out and say, contrary to what the president has fought and said that he thinks it there's a problem, and so, when you speak out the president that put you on the outside, and so the president. Now putting in representative Ratcliff, who is a former you the attorney former prosecutor, so you ve done terrors. Cases. You know you ve been topsecret. Third, I've been Topsecret cleared. I've been briefed on intelligence matters many times. It still fails to me like dna. The director of national intelligence should be an intelligence, someone who is part of the intelligent, community and not a prosecutor. I don't know that's fair enough and I was my first
Actually, I have maybe minority view in some of these things and all positions of leadership. I think there is an important factor to consider, and that is direct, relevant expertise and experience, and if it is incredibly important, it is not only thing their people who are really smart, really good managers are very good judgment who I would trust to leave. Basically any agency even if it didn't have a lot of subject matter, expertise in the way, the might want, because you know they're going to higher good people. I know that they have the jug argument. Example of us somebody who was belittled when he was first selected for the position didn't have intelligence experience with racism, member of commerce, I hope you enjoy the sample of Cathy Insider package to listen to the full episodes at the capitol slash insider and become a member state's cathay dot com. Slash insider to the many
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