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slashed he, oh you are now. Let's get your questions. How happy I found myself their healthy? I should specifically shall be. so it, and I'm just wondering and I've been wondering since it happened. Why would he have with only two, that is to say in the first place I heard that he wanted to get married. He needed some documents, but really it seems unbelievable timidity would take that chance he could come is one that I would love to hear it. Kathy from Westchester. Thanks requesting you know, I I get where you're coming from when you say it's unbelievable to you that he would take that chance was unbelievable to me, and I think most people is that he would be murdered in a premeditated fashion, which is what the evidence seems to support in that embassy.

And composure was not an intelligent operative. He was a journalist and audio prickly radical. As for reading, I discussed in the last part cast episode, but he must have assumed that for certain MRS. He could go into an embassy that citizens in another country and have to worry, maybe be harassed and not have to worry that he would be murdered and his family would not have to be worried and he would be butchered, Now, if you things have happened since last week in this fast moving since last week president or the one is made statements about what happened spoken fairly, strong words. What's interesting to me is that this story is not limited to Laurens, didn't foreign policy or international relations. It's really sunk into the consciousness of people in the country. And as I tweeted over the weekend, because it is important

in so many ways. It is important for what it says about who doesn't say about truth about democracy, about justice, about freedom, especially of speech, and it's it's fascinating that this one story has come. Did it everyone, as I think it should in a free set on the package last week? You never know in a capture the attention of the world, sometimes it can be one picture of a dead child in connection with the refugee crisis. When other pictures of people who have perished dont cause that effect in here the world is watching. President from has said some things that are regrettable. But has been on other occasions will but stronger than you would expect him to be. But yes, he said aloud are very regrettable about this. in part of the reason is that I think it too. telling story about an individual who worked for the press. Who is american resident, U S, citizen children and also the brazenness of it, and also some of it.

in a really sort of gory Cobb details of what might have happened, the drama of fifteen or more saudi agents flying into Turkey just before the murder happened in the embassy? The reporting that one person was actually a forensic specialist, why would you do that? If you just want to engage in an interrogation and there's this matter of the very evocative bone saw. I would that is lots and lots of reporters are repeating without scepticism. Some of these details As far as I know what the time we're taking this on Wednesday morning, there has been independent confirmation from a year a source that that I'm aware of or by a U S press agency, that there was a bone, sir, The only thing I would say is the other way. To believe that the turkish reports are credible. The reports that have been clearly fed to turkish pro government

birds by Erdogan and others, but we have a lot of experience with the turkish press. I have personal experience of the turkish press with making about me, in particular with respect to a case we had. So While it may be true that summit Things happened. The way that the Turks have been saying there happening. I would caution you and being careful not to believe absolutely everything you here, and while he at the moment is, is the most visible journalist who has fallen into her. while the other irony about this is, as has been too committed by lots of folks Turkey itself headed by earth, one is not exactly known for being open to a free press and being tolerant of a free press and actually letting the press be free so there are a lot of weird things going on here. I think it's important the world is paying attention. I think it's important that there be some consequences and I guess we'll see what happens, The next question comes by email from map whose paper love your show, I'm a special agent with the Justice Department, investigative agency, one other. Fbi. I've noticed

you talk about cases in which we work are usually, though, not always described. The federal invest. It is as FBI agents? I was curious, this in my district, the F B, I D, eightieth and h aside comparable numbers of cases to our? U turns office, my question is: does b I bring most of the cases in question. Why did you prefer working the kind of cases, the F b I brought or the agent just inaccessible shorthand for mass audiences. Great question and one may vary the outset that I enjoy working with great respect for every go federal agency and also local agency, with which we work. We worked a lot with Nypd as well. I have it head on as you know, what your listener. The current please, commissioner of the Nypd, had of Counter Intel John Miller. So we worked with, folks, including the d A t f iris, which you didn't mention- agents from the from the housing and urban development from the Commerce Department from the state depart,

and so I guess it is sometimes the case that, as a matter shorthand when you referring something I may without exhausting every letter of the alphabet, refer the FBI telephone, One single out who helped us make The most important groundbreaking cases in our office were are in house. Internal federal, investing who were not associated with any outside agency, but were the best of the best who wrote it. Nypd or other agencies in the past, whom a lot of corruption cases are gang cases help to exonerate people who are prosecuted by other officers who are serving time for crimes. It did not so I'll be more careful going forward. We do a lot of cases where the FBI, every terrorism case, was led by an FBI agents of the joint terrorism taskforce, but there were agents from other law enforcement agencies were part of the J T F, as you know as well. and is probably true, although I never looked at the numbers, because I never thought about it. This way, it's probably true, we did more cases with FBI than with other agencies, didn't mean it

has anyone else's efforts and my deep respect in partnership with other folks. I miss all of them, The next question comes in an email from Eric right typewriter. I was born in the U S and came through school learning that the? U S is the greatest democracy in the world. Lately, though, I have started to think that american democracy like the Atari computer, I bought before entering college nineteen. Eighty five, it was was a great machine at that time, but, so outdated as to be practically non functional, You have spoken movingly about the wonders of the american system, but are certainly not blind to shortcomings. Deeply. American democracy is a positive example for the world. Lots of profound question that has sat implications and also uplifting ones. I like your reference to the Atari Alot of listeners. The show Bonanno you're talking about I hadn't Atari computer, which are there, was a one The thing was way back when overall I think american democracy is strong and is a positive examples.

World, but it's like anything else right. The health of a person can deteriorate if you're, not careful dislike. The health of the body politic can deteriorate if you're, not careful and their lot attests coming up. the institutions that I think remain strong, although are at risk or the judiciary, because people are independent, but you have to be careful about how far its wings in a particular direction. I think the press is still strong. The first amendment still lives, but there are threats to the press. and integration of truth. So there under siege a little bit having congresses a mixed bag as bag said many times anything. The test of Congress will be what happens after the mid term elections if the house and send it don't change here. I dont know what will happen if they do change here,

and I think, will be a great test for the opposing party to figure out the way to be responsible, diligent in their oversight, which means doing it in a way that is not vindictive is not in the gutter That's not counterproductive, but that's fair and reasonable, and what the founding fathers I think intended for there to be a check and a balance which we have very little at the moment. So is american democracy, a positive example for the world. I think it will be if more people vote in this area, I think it will be if people can show that when they the norms are being trampled either they stand up and say what I think is right and what they believe, and I think that there are lots of opportunities for both members of Congress and also private citizens through peaceful. Test or through eloquent responses to things, I think we're going wrong in the country to show everyone that, if you do that things here: you'll get sent to jail, you don't get it the gulags you're, not shut up,

and if you were demeaned by tweet or your ridiculed or made fun of that doesn't shut. I remain overall optimistic. The american democracy is a positive example, but its clearly being tested. my guest this week or Samantha be she's. The the full frontal weekly comedy show the heirs of ten thirty and Wednesday nights on TV s. I talk to her about it. raft of comedy the magic, of the daily show where she worked for many years and finding humor, and even very dark news talk about what a joke goes too far. Like that time, President Trump tweeted about our work, choice

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really. I think your big deal in that set that so nice to hear him not a big deal with my own children will that's how it works. I now, since you mention that, can we talk about you yeah see you're you're married, yes to Jason, Joan I am, who is also a comedian Yes, he was on the daily show. Funny. Guy knows one issue: unless you were here, he's very funny, but can I ask what guess so? What is it like in your house? no joke, he till the joke utility rolling back and forth. Can you imagine how unlivable that would be that towns if you're gonna find. If you have me over, it will be fun if you came to our carnival of as a guest but to live, and it would be Suffer Vonnegut biggest my question. So, yes, your lawyer, sometimes each other. I married you order and lowering his work. We come home like I do some worrying stuff in and you do some worrying stuff for the nice, so do studiously avoid being funny at home because its work, I know now it's silly

Natural further cannot know it. We we talk about work, a lot in a serious way for sure yeah, we talk seriously about it, but we we just had our anniversary Mary for seventeen years resolutions like you. I think we're still laugh together. That seems important to me. Will you find you feel funny? Yes, I've, even in non professionally funny housing? non professionally funny households we still are not cool to our children or to each other at all. Relationship obligation to laugh more heartily at your husband's jokes and vice versa. Now, if no, we- I don't know, I think we're pretty honest with each other. Actually one thing is true, though we always have each other's backs. That's important, like we are each other's biggest fan, probably harshest critic and away from others toughest critics once when Jason tells her job.

home. Yes, is it a dad joke by definition, and he doesn't mean you win always, but my children find him so funny they do don't hear they find me shrill, They don't think it's interesting. I obviously work just fine as each other, we go Toda too. Oh, but the kids don't want. See me as funny. They don't hut typical, didn't want to think about it, because most of it is one. I think of me as like the lady who comes home and puts on a house dress and accelerate areas off the floor debate, but they know that you're gonna cool their friends must think that really cool links that no, I don't think so. Now that you didn't just my daughter, it's possible beats demographic, our peoples, that other people's doubters think that bitch you know, and if I, start to think I'm cold. The very quickly disabuse me of that

That's motherboard right! That's what they're! That's why you have them that's exactly The only reason I reckon you so airy that really really really arrogant hasn't. Can I remove remove their narcissism that right away? That's it doesn't work for all people. What is what is in your oh, I have for the listeners Razumihin in Zambia. Hands friend of mine gave me three Catania Ursus a fairer party, with its It is physically silly putting it has the texture of silly putty bulletin, prettier collars, and I think it's for physical therapy, for you hand one right, emotional therapy. For your mind, what I want to tell you is that the next phase of my life is just me at a pottery, we'll kind of only in part, partly jogging. Actually, love working with clay ochre make your beautiful and then it's gonna melt immediately, because it's basically everybody what makes a person funny

I don't know next question I didn't know. I only heard we destroy the man. You gotta bugged allies, in which we now have. we don't know that you know that you get really you're, not gonna, come up with a really tight answer. Needy people become funny Beata how I was like the only weapon. I had my arsenal. Growing up, that's for sure will he's a thing. You said, oh no, you said once I'm gonna quote from you. Ok, I think that you become a comedian, because all you feel is self doubt. Yeah, yes, probably comes out of a place of insecurity, but that measures be surprising to some folk because it takes a lot of self confidence again on stage of out there. So how do you balance between insecurity, lack of self confidence and having self We all understand where those it's a weird. If there is a will, there is a weird alchemy to I'd like I would never met the loudest per of now.

Urban. If you knew me, then you would never say: oh you'll be on tv one day doing jokes, so you for a long time? Yes, that was deal to me. I watched it religiously every day. Thank you call the daily show. Yes, I can see them. I can see their office from my office we're sitting in your office right now. Actually they are even those view. I have a great deal for a kid, pasted Elsa, so the daily show. You should consider a Pike S sometime well peace now, if I can handle it So I read about your audition. I have the daily show in Ireland. I've had a simonov was wanted by hope. You guys are friends. Could you should be yet in his show is he's taping to show up the street just the new knowledge, and he describes With some exuberance his edition in the thrill, it was to get job on the daily show yeah. It was like for you. It was a similar, throw. It seemed, lose really really a longshot. I mean the king came to Toronto. The audition me in Toronto, annual, Canadian yeah they were waiting?

a woman in any women on the chauffeur a really long time Will he couldn't London in America legally can have any plans to know it's it's. Actually. It really benefit of me greatly that they did such a test for search for women in the United States. and just felt there was no single women who the really capture the tone of the show is so they did come to Toronto because someone lure them, I suppose, to come and take a look at the bounty of women, on the markets in Toronto and other I'm you're doing one.

But things get comedy and my spare time, but I actually worked it and add agency. I was just about to give up the performing arts entirely actually and transition into a real job. At an ad agency until Fruit Martin you're Doin faint nightmare Doria, I'd sort of habit, I worked a lot, but it wasn't really consistent enough for me. I'm gonna have a life Jason. I reread we had first house, we have a nice life and I thought okay. I would like to have a future one day. I'd like to be able to save money and stuff abruptly shouldn't. Be enough, roaming, arts and then, as luck, would have it. I moved to New York and thrust his history. Would audition like me nervous yes, was there was a trained really hard for it actually worked the through really hard, because I knew that jail shows my favorite show. All I really wanted to do was a good audition for them, like the best edition of my life than I thought. Ok, that will be my swan song and then That's it then back realities and then back to the original. But I thought oh

fine, because if I put the most of my heart into this interview for the show that I love and really Arusha. Then I'll know that I exited with honour from this the that has asked me over then I gotta get up, and so I came to New York and I did it in the studio with John, and that was that was very scary. Those very scared for me, but if you're scared, we are performing comedy scared. When I'm performing com, you have you turn off the fewest the outside stuff. It's like having a conversation with John that was scary right during the committee was easy router. If I now it's really you ve heard of the political party again and now I'm daylight and other parties back into another. What that you took a tone it being credible if I sculpted something so magnificent with his body acutely so surprised. Yes, you could yet

you could depart with honour all it up. It just looks like a big orange reaping tongue. That's hanging out of a dead dares mouth I'm sorry, let's nurseries, energy that you painted from looking so reminded egg with an audience of loving me. Oh no is terrific. So why do you think the daily show was such a big deal? What what was the tone of the show that you thought you got well? This is actually trail. It's in a sound tat when it comes out of it. Now but this would they liked or sigh and me was that I could perform the cereal, but also I seemed really over it like I had been in the business for too long like a haggard veteran of the news, so what they were looking for was a person who could deliver, semi, serious news and comedic way. Russell seemed like she had been in the business for a long time and had been beaten down,

They were really looking for their bigger. We held reality. Yes, yes, without us what strength and I'd leverage pray. I dont livers on how I thought of Wade. I think it while you know when I started their assorted in two thousand three. I a very dedicated viewers. no, but I wouldn't say that it really kind of mainstreamed itself until two dozen for two thousand and eight, you know what to with the elections having John found his footing with the show he had changed the format enough to suit his needs and that's when it really he was able to kind of turn the ship in in the direction of his own personal passions. That's when the shower really started to

for you to love interviews. You still do you did one with me. The new shall now frontal turnover means is even nooning on for two and a half years, or so well, in a relatively relatively new. Think of us is established establishment. I don't know want to use that night time again, I think, is cutting edge row. Thank you and it's evolving, but so you interview a lot of serious people. S in a circle way. Is that how you describe it? Have you prepare for an interview of a straight serious, non funny person? in a way that funding to the audience we, oh, I don't stress over at all, so I know the material in all we're gonna be talking about because its whatever the subject matter is its of Your interests mean, so that's why he drew near and then it's mostly try to have fun and mostly just try to have fun in the moment. I didn't you,

fun right. I had a lot of only you're going to come talk about that in a second ok, but what you just said makes me think of something to you ever bring people in under false or mildly false. This is a social burn Cohen. Does he know? Do you think about such burn cone? I have always really liked his work actually didn't watched the latest incarnation of the show. I don't watch company, ever that's interesting yeah. I don't want the past. What I do. I love that you don't want to. Competition, or you can get away to don't us on relax, I don't know, maybe I just know that without sausages made in it. I don't find it interesting anymore, but I don't really watch comedy all that much. See now here's what I was impressed by immediate and appreciate, and maybe some Folkestone both came on full frontal and when I did a similar kind of sketch with, on that issue. How much work you put into its letter? shows what retail you and I taped like an hour

Something like that and therefore behaves bit. You did, including in Essen M guy, coming out of a clean war which, thankfully, from father, didn't make it until I met you instead of letting anal. Doesn't your parents watched it? I did or what they thought of it, because that was you know: they're they're, not severe rum, my prince of really conservatives were they like, stayed stuff? They like it will act when I'm like it's, why it's funny your literally the second comedic presence in a row that interviewed for this package last week was was for aids a a lot is again they like it when I'm on, like for shore GPS so you're saying as they did like, and I don't think I like the way why under they liked him, but knows little, it's a little risque sure. But my question is and with his onto I think we taped it and where law school. If I can in twenty minutes only three four and may it maybe that was most people too. A couple of minutes: new mail it and with he. It was so funny

There is only four minutes, even if that's true just say so, and it and it's fine and an gimme, some putty. Normally we just three or four minutes with ex but there's a lot, but but a lot of people wrote a lot of stuff and figured out a lot of funny things to do in the world. The things that we do worse funny when I sit down in a real there are so many directions apiece could possibly take. We think that we, the three line, is going in. We think that we know will be, but a conversation can take you an interesting directions, and so you want to be able to pivot and follow the direction of the person you are speaking well. or follow the theme in a different way. The news also changes. We need to be a little bit nimble, so we always really overshoot and then see what works best. Spittle comedy more difficult than other kinds of comedy I dont know

I really do other guy, I know it all seems hard to meet counties. You know it's listen. It's not hard work in the sense that work is harming still. forming it's. You don't carry cushy in its it's fun to do. You know it's a lot of thinking and doing and trying and experimenting sorts, it's actually to get to a place of comedy that people sort of shrug off. Actually, it's a pretty. Arduous journey. Did you think it was weird going back to the village of her second that lots and lots of people would get there actual direct news from the we shall. We literally faking arrange unstrained joke about right. I mean an odd, I you think that's not true, I think, would be say that a lot, but that it's not really strictly accurate. I think that if you didn't have some comprehension of what was going on feeding have some understanding of the news of the day. I don't think you would find these v. funny or engaging. I think you come to it with more knowledge than you think you have and so

really just a different way to analyze the news I mean I think there were following, techniques of journalism. We have journalists working for us. Certainly I do Ah you, why do? Why do you have journalists? Because, being being accurate as very important kits it's very important to us. We worked very hard, we factual constantly but explain that because part of what you're doing in comedy. Exaggeration and a little bit making things up right in. Pushing so explain to me Why is there really it's ok to make up that? Ms Mcdonald has another much Mcconnell living in his chin like made up, it is hope. It's made of but we want to be clear about the stories that were telling but there is a myth, Mcconnell any has achieved in that he has attended his another. So you have your journalists, they they fact check their. Yes, ok, I think I understand

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the technical archives are. You are you anyone are you angry of half the Chauffeur America, but now I mean no. I think we all kind of we set very trying time the very troubling time. There's always something I can get my myself not about for sure yeah super you look For that- or you just happen to be anglo- have to look very far to find something that flames the fire of outrage these days. So what are the top? Three things that inflame the virus is, surely we will show on Wednesday saving it all up for the show I don't need only general last week, I don't, I don't well, obviously the killing of journalists. The turkish consular was so very troubling, and I don't think that we have

reckoned without you know, that's an example of something that's very well covered. Does not much weaken. Add to the conversation about that particular stories from probably won't Agamemnon. When saying there are other things that are happening, that we will. The issue was not that, as might be for some people that it's impossible to say anything. Funny about that circumstance, because it so tragic I mean. Certainly we have been confronted with stories that just don't make any sense for us to do. I can't figure out a way to frame it. Comedic leave you feel limited. The comedic in gaol does not make itself known. And so you kind of law the stories for a little while and sometimes it just never makes itself none. The comedic angle doesn't make itself known, as you just said, discover the thing that make the thing discover something that emerges from the material itself. It's all about its magic.

Just gases wherever you decided and the obvious. Why would you please you find it would say you ever you made a different. Sometimes when you ve covetous, so, for example, Georgia, rape kits, I dont know until that story per second well. Ok, there are a whole lot of people working behind the scenes to close the the loophole regarding it gets in. Georgia was limping tested in an angle it yet so it was not our work that change things. It was the decades of work before us that actually made change ways keep getting credit for it, but it was not We brought the issue alive for sure I don't know that suddenly expedited things which is pulling it into the

national conversation, but I think it would have happened without us as well. There were people on the scene. I don't like to take credit for things like that, because I know its not innocent the show. I know it's the hard work of lots of lots and lots of people on the ground in Georgia. Would you would you most gratifying about this work. You do it really merges my to favour it stance of entertainment, journalism in company. It's not you know, I love to be able to break down news. It's just a genre of television that I have personally enjoyed in benefited from for so long now. Look I loved the daily show was the perfect convergence of things that I really care deeply about getting to work with it in this way. Is its incredibly gratifying like to talk about things that

Other people are talking about or put a spin alone make them palatable. Utilise things. Give advice for journalists from your perspective could do a better job in some ways of sheriff. of them could do a better job, but I should think there's two tons of great journalism happening right now. In you know, one of the things that you don't have to worry about and what gives us the freedom to speak. The way that we do this by the way that I do on the show is, and we have no access to anyone, there's no pretense of access like we don't have to actually worry that, though, house won't, let us into their dumb briefings, will never be invited were not invited to any would uninvited the party so wicked, say whatever and no one can ever stop us will they can but Thank you for the subway and how to get into this other topic near. So aren't limits charm on what people can say. No, because there's a law against it, but because of you know what people's reactions might be sure

and so there was a time when you said something that may alot of people really upset, including specifically in most vehemently the White House and have another quote before I get to that question that one I hope to upset them. Many more your husband, Mr Sam be said a lot of performers one, go as far as she's willing to go into my? My first question is he said I am told that sweet, Why is it important to go far and What did you learn anything from time when you on your show, referred to evolve a trump as safe as a feckless seaward few noticed visas for March the number Of times in ways that you for the worm feckless since then, I'm just saying over here before you here,

now yes, every every week, someone says a word on the shoulder wonders. Last week, the courier Europe, your co comedian, chimera Hannah dine and he never defined it out for him. So you get in trouble because you said I did the idea, I mean cutting trouble. It was used here for it was Seward that I'd muse on the show, I don't know twenty five times prior to that moment. It was just context truly, I think, in the new cycle, everybody was very much talking about Roseanne in employee people in the exact exactly on. In That way, I knew of weakening the context Maybe not everyone knows this room. You were doing bit on, and you re migrant children, the separation of families at the Borders Shirley. I and then you made a reference to evolve Trump, who you Basically, accusing of being what a hypocrite when going back in time. This,

story. It had not really taken hold of the public consciousness until the weekend prior to the show and people really all of a sudden learned that children being separated from their parents and the new cycle over the weekend was all about baby is being taken from their parents. It was terrible, was real reckoning and The new cycle was, it was just captivated there nothing else to talk about. We should still beat. I mean things. Are you should do not treat? This aspect is not fixed we're not by a long shot. It was outrageous. People were from reaching out. You would have to be living under a rock in the Marianna trench to miss that new cycle particularly if you work at the White House, and so there weekend. She does put out

Was it really super tone deaf to eat about our own kid, and it was. It was good anger. You, I interpret it as purposeful and curl actually, and so that was the end point of the act that we did about children being separated from their parents, which were all so angry and just inconsolable about that was the end of the act. It was too much for people fairly puritanical country. If I can just be honest about that, I come from Canada. We care about the seaward they're, not that much and people flipped out, but would you understand why they did frankly, no frankly now And I don't think that all you get I'm sorry yet really mad right now act. I usually general. I usually do something about.

I understand why sliver of her? ants. Why was upsetting for them? Ok, it's! a final word. It something that I used very consistently on the show. So to me I didn't think that it was going to be such an outrageous moment. snow. I frankly don't understand why the entire news media pivoted too, that I do There was a much bigger issue, much broader issue, to be angry about that everyone could have been focusing on end Did not end for many many days thereafter. It was all about that I said it was really the word her round. The world certainly have friends you have. Guatemala and they were like hey. We heard about this thing. Leave like it really was It was really a moment. I dont relish. A lot of my audience was on happy with it. So I understood that. Ok, I get

why do you think your audience was unhappy about it? But you can understand why trumps people be unhappy, but why related people? It's you know it's the worst words that's been used against them in the worst day of their life, so you don't wanna, you wanna trigger people in way necessarily so I I'm a hollow jack. I did wonder powdered because it was ok with two fervour: people, that's fine, sound came message received and I very apologetic in particular that it took the story out of than his meaning and toothless. we of the migrant children out of the new cycle of bumped it out of the news like lids breezy to me, I was out. Ages, I'm still on never never ever be able to. Leave that that happened, but it did pre keeper odor after that You have to be worried. Now,

if we now the next thing is gonna blow up. In that way, I have to say that I have to give credit to the people who are responsible for Having a show- and here they were very good about it. We were very supported here. I'm very grateful for that, and I think that with full decorators at all, I now understand. Perhaps that that word is to launch an ant, I urge you to stop using the word even in other contexts. I actually did stop me. Yes, I did because it seems to be, it seems to be too distracting right. I will take another issue. Jenner is much in the news. The me to movement too bad things being done by lots of people in power in the media industry and in the comedy business, including. People like Louis UK and others would make of that. You think it's we prevalent everywhere or anything. Certain industries have a bigger problem. We isles using their power. That's such a rhetorical question.

Thats adorable now I'm gonna just looking eyes of every other woman who's in the true. Yes, it as prevalent in every other industry. Of course. Yes, with think about that is stories you read about are for done on some industries and others level sort of no quite why that is all. I think that IRAN There are a number of industries that are really ready for their reckoning. Yet maybe, but the legal industry the legal understood. Your latest version that, from a legal judgment here, a lot of stories about the financial services industry. An item you're any, but I know that there are. There are a lot of stories to be told emerging from now on. I mean that world is not this year. There was anything in particular about meat. journalism, recovery, not at all, wherever there are men And together they are meeting yes so giving

we ve? We learn anything from last year, especially as we are here just a couple weeks. Moved from break having being confirmed I mean have we learned anything. I think we are I think women have learned something. I think We have learned that Our story is: don't have value to a lot of the people in power right now. I certainly am speaking Personally, more people told me their own stories that they ve never told anybody before in the last couple of weeks than ever before. In my life, everybody's got a story. If you don't have a story, that's good the most people do, and so obviously we watched the cat. Our hearings.

and, like I wash it lying down on the couch they were destroyed by people were walking out of their offices. We were watching the cabinet hearings in bars, K. It was a moment for this country. Have we learned anything. But we've learned that everyone has a story with one of the women are pretty angry. You know that social movements often come out of women's anchor. So we'll see what happens. I don't know I learned a lot then, if it was good No I've heard that Alot knew the cabinet hearings. It just ended, but there's a future event coming up call the mid term elections. Shore Spend time on the show and otherwise talking about how people should vote seems very Is there not a campaigns about getting people to vote yeah? Why think so hard to get people to vote in this country? I dont know each system feel like I've really inculcated that feeling

civic engagement of pride. In voting, it don't stand it. We also should have a day off for voting. Yes, we should I mean for one thing: we could just get people the day off. We certainly are. Gerrymandering like there's no tomorrow, voter suppression is rampant. I can understand why some with look at that system and think I have no place in it, but the one but I do know is that if you want to make change its the. One of the only weapons that you have. Another change won't happen. If people dont use their vote so at an answer for you in the one, the results. The question is that you talk on the show- and I know you make some fun of the issue in the sense that you create like a game on a phone to get people. I seem like a real in this interview by a very fully aware that don't like using my therapy

Getting really sweaty remain again, did notice, I guess maybe later game for sure if we get incentivize people you care about their vote. There are a couple of things that really that really cause people about based on data. One of the things that can cause someone to vote is a feeling of shame, because you out somebody with the deed Of their voting history and that fact that they don't vote, they can often be shamed into voting. We do not want to do that, but we did wonderful be possible to incentivize people to vote in other, ways like you know. Another thing, that's a very positive indicator. as to whether it was a roll call. Vote is if they have a plan for voting. You can shame people vote. You can also encouraged them to make a plan. Now, having a plan for voting is destroying indicator that you will actually cast a vote so that we launched a game to incentivize people with a cash prize to

It's really fun games. Have you played at heavy downloaded, have not deny, but I will be releasing use It can play every day we became today on Adela on your phone ochre. I'm gonna grab your phone respect for our farmers. Proputty backup didn't the music most them here. The music alone is worth the price of admission. There is no precedent just it. So it's a trivia game. It's a comedy, trivia game. A truly known has ever really dumb, forts, really funny. It's great. You gotta have a show the Wednesday after the election. We are we you have a shoe on Monday and the Wednesday of that? We too shall weak. It's a very special weak. Listen to that folks to show we too shall week before and asked a young do. I should be strengthened, bout the Wednesday show in advance of when you thought you describe

two versions of the show. Yes, in the same way, candidates have a concession speech and victory speed. We do because we learned a very powerful lesson. We had a whole show planned for hilarious, and we had to have a relay sharply offer that drugs in the overnight hours. Yes, so what's the shogunate like your generally without secrets. If. Republican, retain control of the house emissary. Well, what now that we're mentally prepared for that happening. We should be fine you mean you don't have a place where our audience, just it depends on which cake we use will have two versions of everyone, kicks, be thrown at anyone. No case will be thrown. Why would never waste cake that something you should know about me? Oh, never waistcoat get right, good principle. Thank you at last.

Yes, some ministers person had a serious job. Yes, query, what am I gonna entertain? I think that a complementary it is a little better, very entertained, but I I begin talks and speeches and things with some with some drugs. Yes and I M not hard to come by. If you need me, finally, there right a joke. You can't do that there for you to stone. Arms. Don't tell anyone then came from here, but for me expectations are very low figure for get her he's pretty, his skull, the kind of guy- and if I do like a lame dad joke that, my kids or other eyes at them alone, he gave it a shot yeah, I'm not I'm going to give you a guarantee, Hooker Mcbride or provide no guarantees for by drugs. parting words for America. I've Hector them after about guys. If you don't know, I kissed Were we

her today? If they know about that that putty? Is there really is freely suffer. I've worked it so urgent certainly thinks we're here, me thanks are being on getting closer to the programme in an active sincerity. Yes, thank you. I haven't read this: I did to incorrect. Ok, ok,. So today the end of the show I wanna talk about some sad news about someone who is very important to this country. It sadly is, but also has an uplifting side and it's the stories you may have seen a former Supreme Court Justice Andrew Day, O Connor, sending a personal note, fellow Americans. She says friends and fellow Americans. I want to share some personal news with you when she says some time ago, doctors diagnosed me with the beginning stages of dementia, probably all farmers disease, so.

She's an important figure in american history, not just for the court, not just for women but for all Americans, even though she was the first woman to serve in the court appointed point, nineteen eighty one by President Ronald Reagan, I had the privilege of meeting her. Personally, I asked her to come speak to my office when I was your attorney. Did you are talking about democracy, the law, the rule of law, and we sat at the table at the international Court of Trade with a full house off the record with staff and attorneys, and I asked a question a sort of was, I guess the training, for

stay tuned this past and she was incredibly inspiring talking not just about the law but about how to be good person, whether you have a powerful position that involves a robe and gavel or you're, an ordinary citizen in one of the incredible things about her since her retirement. Although this is something that she was devoted to throughout her life on the bench and before in a varied career that included elective office, which is something sorely lacking in the court now. But she talks a lot about and cares a lot about. Civics and decency, in how we go about engaging ourselves and democracy. There is a question at the beginning of this that this episode about whether or not the american democracy is still a model for the world, and I said I think it is, but it needs to be sustained and needs to be.

Nourished, insanity, Oconnor is one of the people that gives you hope, given the message that she puts out for how citizen should act and behave and how we have to constantly teach our young people to be good citizens, and so in her letter, if you haven't read it, you should. She says I've seen first hand how vital it is for all citizens to understand our constitution and unique system of government and participate actively in their communities is through this shared understanding of who we are, though we can fight

all the approaches that have served us best, overtime, working collaboratively together in communities and government to solve problems, putting country in the common good of a party and self interest and holding our key governmental institutions accountable. What a good message at this time she says further, as my three sons are tired of hearing me say it's not enough to understand. You got to do something. There is no more important work than deepening young people's engagement in our nation and in further she says it is my great hope that our nation will commit to educating our youth about civics and to helping young people understand their crucial role as informed active citizens in our nation. To achieve this, I hope the private citizens, counties states and the federal government will work together to create and fund a nationwide Civics Education initiative sounds like a pretty good.

you. Do me. One of the things we try to do on the show is talk about six and talk about how you engage herself in government not just to understand it, but to understand it and then figure out ways you can be involved in it, no matter what your views are. If you hold them in good faith and with integrity and with good intentions, then you should stand up for what you believe in and do it in a way that honourable honest and respectful of other people's opinions, and at this time, even though she is giving the sad news that she's not well the fact this entity O Connor, is putting forth this message at that time in a way that people will hear it, I think, is very important, so best wishes descended. O Connor thanks to her for her public service that has lasted a lifetime and best to her family will that's it for this episode of statehood thanks again to my guest Samantha, be if you like, the show rate and reviewed and apple pie casts every part

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