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the evening of December, eleventh Screwball Centre, my guest Simon knowledge of the daily show its around on sale, now get a mother still available. Gotta cafe, dot com, slash pre, aright time for questions she comes from twitter and its from at Bob Samoa and the tweet reads: step to indicators book demean judicial system or that step three? So I think this person referring to is a series of things that happened over the last week that came out of the mouth, Adele Trump Among other things, he called the Justice Department that he is supposed to lead a laughing stock. Is it here that were the Justice Department. On the other hand, he also said that he was frustrated that he's not supposed to get in the FBI, but he is like a lot of the things that they're doing then he also made comments about what had happened to the terrorist alleged terrorist, who killed eight people

with his truck and lower Manhattan last week saying here, the death penalty, although there's a presumption of innocence and he involved himself in the judicial process in a way that he shouldn't have and also started to suggest on twitter before I think a lot of people and his administration understood what he was doing, that this person should be sent to Guantanamo Bay to be prosecuted is not clear that I'll drop new really what he was talking about, he had first suggested the things warmer quickly in Guantanamo Bay. That, obviously, is not true. The next morning he said. Well, sometimes it goes more quickly in civilian court, regardless of that, I don't know how much people are paying heed and am glad there not to the ill, considered tweets of a president that a random. turn on a particular day. Cuz, I don't show you saw on the news of my old office. Light by June. Can my successor within twenty four hours, I think, charged the suspect with federal crimes and he's going to be Friday.

We in court in and by the way, for anybody who doesn't remember the track record of bringing to justice terrorists who have been responsible for death? May him and court of terrorism in Europe and around the world in federal court in New York is excellent. The record for bringing people to justice in Guantanamo Bay is basically zero. This next question comes from Twitter also is from at truth, rescue good name. The question is pre: do you think it's possible at Flynn is in the same boat as Papadopoulos? So I guess that's referring to is the question is: is Michael Flynn, who was very briefly? The national security advisor to the it is in the same boat as George Papadopoulos who, as you I'm sure, red one foreign policy adviser to the president's campaign, he has been charged, he's already pledge guilty and he seems to be cooperating with the government, meaning

he's providing testimony information with the promise of testimony and information about other people, probably higher up enough one copy it here that I would like to make clear. I have no idea what Michaelson two and I have no real idea as to what special council Mahler is up to with respect to Michael Flynn. What I can say is we haven't, hurt a lot. The shoe hasn't dropped, this other shoe. You want to call the maclaughlan shoe, so young people might be wondering after comment. If it was charge, interest Papadopoulos was announced to have pledged guilty why this other shoe hasn't drop. The Michael Flint should now. There were some reports in the last few days that say that that Bob Mother has enough evidence to indict Michael Flynn. No, that's true or not. Ballade reporting that has been coming out of noted new sites has turned out to be true. The fact that it came out that that mothers team

believes it has enough to indict might mean that they are in the process of trying to convince Michael Flynn to testify, to my mind the fact that that information has come out. I think it's is coming from people who are associated with the defence team from Michael Flynn, so people on the Mahler team, are getting close to bringing charges. They would rather have him on their side. In other words, they would like to flip him, I'm guessing to have and provide information, substantial assistance against other people up to and including the president of the United States. They're, making their pitch to him and they're. Saying to him. You know what we're ready to charge. We have enough cause, that's the language, it sounds like you would use. We try to pitch someone to come over to the government team and that information was transmitted to the lawyers in Libya.

People in that's how it got out to the press. So it's an educated guess, but I would figure, given the reporting, given what we ve seen with respect to the speed of charging Paul metaphor and other stuff has been reported about Michaelson conduct. I would expect to see a charge against Michaelson unclear at this point whether it will be a charge, the heel contest or will find a theory, guilty do something because his cooperating this next question is a voice mail from Catherine in Canada. High tree, laugh at high tide and listen to the latest episode was shocked to hear that you don't like the right for what is up with just one Adele. They flattery work so you know, I don't always hear these questions in advance, and so my my producers are sitting in here and they displayed me this voicemail, it's it's not. I think prosecutors have been taught to be very careful about what they display in terms of their

and ideas for the very reason that everyone wants to know. What's going on with a smaller team in a we, you know did a lot of our behind closed doors and we're not a whiteboard kind of institution. I now work in prisons. Biogas but his media campaign everywhere, lookers african whiteboard. It's also a My last long. You you're right you great ideas and a White Board, and then someone wiped away Not only do we want our cells to be secret, but also- and we will keep a record of it. Idea that you make a list of something and someone erases it, and you want to go back and figure out what was on your list and is not their makes. No sense to me at all about us toy for people My guess this week, Senator Jeff Lake from Arizona we spoke just now. Last Monday, one day after the devastating mash shooting at a church in Texas, one of the main it came up, was Jeff likes record on control and the inner raise influence of the Congress.

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space today can start moving forward with a single message. Just visit talks based. I come and get one hundred dollars off your first month when you use promo code preach at sign up. That's one hundred dollars author talks based on Tom Promo code. He are eating centre, flake thanks for being here today, you read me in my pocket. I was asked: that's your Hague live enjoy, watching you bend inherent commentary, figure furriers good on your part, gas, your on television that I'd like to well, you are a very good politician, sir. Let me ask you this: what Republican, who have traditionally republicans bend somebody who adheres to the whilst of limited government, economic freedom and individual responsibility term. I think a definition changing right now and how wise a changing. I think it sir

I've been overtaken by populism and its redefine. Now, if you ask the average Republican or those who support the president, where is the Republican on free trade, for example, that give you a much different answer than when who are the party has been traditionally one thousand nine hundred and sixty Barry Goldwater wrote his conscience of conservative when he felt that the party had been compromised by the new deal and now it's kind of a different thing. Stop populism? You wrote a book by the same name, the idea that wasn't in taking it was stolen right from him. wasn't very original, but I am, but I felt in a fifty seven years later to our party was being driven, a different direction and and and now in a direction that is really a governing philosophy, but rather popular really isn't a governing philosophy, just won't last long but but of to what extent does the personality of a party change because of the leadership of the party is opposed

these sentiments of the people voting in the party there there's always some of that you always take on. I think some of the identity of the leader, the one who can actually get out and articulate the values that you stand for him. But at this point, as I wrote in the book, I never heard at any time by saying that the party or the the voters cast aside the principles that we believed in for so many years and just in favour of something that was really an unfamiliar standard for the party, so you're not running for reelection. Not. Why could choose not to run again well ire? I felt that it was. This is an important time important time, for

people to speak out and to say that what we are experiencing is not normal, and I couldn't do that and run for re election and run the kind of race I would have to run to win. But why not right now and the Republican Party, if you are four square behind the president in both in terms of policy and behaviour, then you and I'm not welcome Party, and so there is a very narrow path for Republicans to run and if you're willing or if you feel duty bound to to speak out, particularly at this important time- and I think this is a very important time to speak out- then I just felt I couldn't do both. I guess I'm a little bit confused. When you say, there's no room in the party. Isn't there room always for somebody to

swayed voters to chose a her point of view, which is what politics is about. I had hoped that tat this fever, what kind of brake, by the time the primary comes to our August of next year. I do think, ultimately that the fever will break. I dont think that do what were experiencing now, the kind of anger and resentment that we see that that's not a governing philosophy, so eventually we're gonna have to come back if we want to one whit when reelections in the future to govern actually accomplish something, but it's not gonna change by next year became increasingly clear that that it wasn't going to, and I frankly I saw off all right, I could spend my time to thread that needle hinder cosy up to the president as much as I could to persuade the voters which may have you pull out there. The vast majority of republican primary voters, which has a subset of

subset of a subset. We all recognise its smaller percentage that actually vote in republican primaries, but they right now are firmly behind the breast it and if you them. Many of their number one issue is: are you with the president and its is becoming shirts versus skin Skynet exercise you're either with the president re against him. It's really important for some of us at least stand up now and say that what we are experiencing is not right. And it's not normal? I guess I'm trying to get. You say that thing that a politician will never say, but maybe is your retiring. Eventually, at the end of this term, you might say something like this. You know takes two to tango right to take someone to have populist beliefs and to say things that he doesn't really mean, but then it also takes people to go to that person and get that person so much support as you're saying that it leaves no room for a person like you.

I'm still a politician. After off, no politicians ever gonna blame the voters, and I do think that too, we have some really steep challenges facing the country and we aren't Gunnar address and if we continue to belittle are opponents political opponents, refer to people on the other side of the eye was clowns and losers, but I guess I don't understand necessarily in and applying double standards here. Why those views necessarily mean you don't run again. Why not choose to run in the way that you think is proper, righteous, just quit, principles and if you lose, you lose, but at least you have set down a record of what you believe in and

We lay a foundation for other people for the future. What it would take is if you're, really gonna run. You have to dedicate every waking moment to raising money or to having campaign events for an entire year. That's instrument top on? Your family doesn't want to run to lose, who want to run to win, and I can just as effectively speak out more effectively, certainly have more time without spending time, raising money or holding campaign events, then I would, if I were to try to one thread that needle where he had a chance to re election and to spend the time raising money in holding campaign events much better come on a package like this you talk about it and I can do it wasn't liberating to wake up Wednesday morning after the speech and realise that Have a fund raising call to make today when his, when

making making a lot of them, but I mean I enjoy the the debate and that the toughest part of this is exactly what you said to seem to be backing away from a fight or a battle, but the toll that debt takes and- and I can tell you given what I've seen over the past year, I dont think there is a way that you can tell the truth about what's going on in politics today, and actually stand up when you ought to stand up. I don't think you can do that right now and when a primary battle in Arizona. One of the reasons I I keep pressing this who is you have set said already hear that You're heroes is burgled water in you still the title of his book for your own book, which is doing very well congratulations very cold water ran for President nineteen. Sixty four against a very popular Priscilla, Timely Johnson before Vietnam got carried and I'm betting, he knew he was gonna lose. In fact he lost forty nine states,

there is he knew he was going to as soon as he knew he was run it against Johnson right out of Kennedy, and yet in it he ran and some people would say, was in vain. These faces similar kind of cross roads, the using your facing now vetoes, run and there are people in your party. Whatever you want a quiet now who say that he was the founding Father of Reagan, ISM conservatism in the eighties and but for that run by bearing Goldwater, which was maybe quixotic like your race mighty. The propeller can party might not have had that giant of its party, and I disagree with a lot of things. on that side of the of the fence, but what would you say to that? One or two, a dongle watered it? Will one the national stages, little different, thinner than the stage of running a Senate campaign in Arizona and too I am the incumbent. I have another fourteen months in office, it's a pretty good stage to have the Senate floor. if I were to go out and continue to speak out like I have

fiestaware, I think the party is going and where I think it should go to you lose the support you need and, like I said, this is an important time for somebody to be standing up in the Senate and saying this is not normal, so there's multiple things at a senator does on one hand the centre speaks, and you talk to Latin in years near prior speeches today about speeding up. I would about voting other other things. You intend to vote on differently, because your free from apples and having to run again I'd and certainly not a vote against the president had aspire to whatever else. For the interesting thing is I I I hear people say boys voted with the president, Ninety per cent and ninety percent I was gonna hurt, This I mean if you look your vote on one where you vote with the president, you you could say You do it on personnel and ninety

and what we ve done in the Senate is personnel. Will you vote for the president's nominees for the courts, which, frankly, I think the precedence of pointed some pretty darn good judges and his admit and other administration officials that's a lot of what we voted on that you could say. I voted with President take my votes to repeal and replace Obamacare. I voted that way thirty times already whether the president is there or not. I feel that we are repeating place Obamacare. So a laudable vote on in the Senate, isn't really with the president or against the president. It sir it's what we do, and so I will continue to you'd be born as AIDS with the president, when I think he's right all oppose him when I think he's wrong much of The policies that I disagree with the president on have not come to a vote in the Senate, yet trade issues, for example,

those or executive decisions. Travel ban not agree to this travel ban, certainly not when it was a muslim ban has he called it during the campaign and his travel ban. I don't think it's unconstitutional, but certainly isn't wise so those kind of things out all the pose. It may not be at legislation, but I will certainly speak up against. So I, where the president's going, you think in all the president's nominee, to be in the cabinet are supremely qualifies as a presidency. Nominees are supremely qualified, but he's got some qualified people, their particular his national security team, sectoral matters, television Mcmanus under all Michael fan. Flint didn't come up for a Senate vote. I wasn't a Senate confirm what I said. I said from the beginning that were I wouldn't voted for, that. I thought a conspiracy theorist like that doesn't belong as head of national security. What about it

I'm right now, you think, is not normal. Well, for example, when the president said on Friday that the FBI federal agencies ought to go after his former political opponents, that's, not normal, that is of president undermining our in, petitions or force You come out so directly and say about his own justice department and or criminal justice system that that this is remember the words he uses, but this honeys had laughingstock laughingstock here. That's that's the president's undermining institutions that we rely on very disappointed in any way in your former colleague. Sessions, who is now attorney general for not standing up for the department in the face of those comments by Donald Trump Way,

I would certainly proud of him for saying that we need to reduce himself. I thought that that too, that took gots. Certainly the president was an affair that move. If you were the attorney general last Friday in the presence of the things he said about the behind the Justice Department or about you, as the attorney general, some humiliating things. What would you say? I don't put myself in that position or just say in that position I mean right now I did what I did render. I think it would be hard to stay for a lot of his cabinet picks seems too seems to undermine them regularly. We we certainly seen that, with Secretary of State, Bob Corker has been very vocal on that issue. Yes, it will change the example from saying of noxious and mocking things about the attorney general in they want to put yourself, but what about when he says things about you in Europe, your person, you you a few of the family. How does it make you feel the present worried about your frankly night? I mean what the alternative big

in referring to say nice things about me. I know how that you take. That goes out of his way to say things about you, something, for example, by corporate your colleague has due to the White House is a dull daycare. You responded outweigh when I die, haven't, I think her. No, I. I certainly have not spared criticism where I think it's warranted, but I think it's our job, Teddy Roosevelt, said very very clearly, and I mention that in my speech as our responsibility as citizens to praise the president when we think he's in criticising when we think is wrong. He's just one. The most important perhaps but only one of the public servants who serve this institution do any of your family members think you should hit back harder,

big family, has argued: I've, kids in debt tending siblings and, as usual, private provided the margin during elections. For me now I gotta have should be enough to get you elect their they. Certainly there there there their supportive and have a great family, read you something you said in that speech on the Senate. That's gotten so much attention, because I have a question about it. You said it is also clear to me for the moment that we have given and were given up on the core principles in favour of a more visible, satisfying anger and resentment. To be clear, the anger and resentment of the people- feel at the royal mess that we ve created, are justified but anger and resentment are not a governing philosophy. What is wrong with people being angry unresentful and having informed the principles that their spouse well

said I dont excuse the voters for feeling that way when they look at Washington and see the dysfunction better than that. You know it has become a seat, true, twenty trillion dollar debt and are not taking any serious moves to to address that they have a right to be frustrated, but instead, as public officials we ought to offer one constructive solutions, always easier. Easy route is for a politician to says. Does I said in the book hotter pointed us shuddered factory in blame, free trade agreement or whatever, but it's our first responsible. is elected officials to at least tell the truth. Maybe some spin on any politician does. I understand that, but at least recognise what we need to do to address the problems that we have. Instead,

what I think this administration has done, and certainly the president is, is a book, shuddered factory and say it was a free trade agreement with Mexico, for example, or that judge he can judge fairly because his of his mexican heritage and scapegoats groups or individuals. That's not what leader sought to do the voters, They deserve the right to do that, but that, as leaders we ought to do better Is that most angry? You, the american electorate, since you ve, been an offer here, certainly- and maybe you just see it expressed more easily because somebody can take to to earn. You see it immediately if you're a voter- and there are two candidates to choose from and candidate a is decent and uses the right.

Language, as we have been discussing some people don't and candidate a is decent in personal life and in public life and treats people well with respect, but in Canada. B is also decent and divides and in place on people's fears, but cannot be. is closer to your views on matters of policy whose the voter supposed to vote for. That's a good question. I think you make your choices there and scales of how far their are outside of your your comfort zone on policy. I guess that obviously decency matters it does and it it's not, It's it's not only policy that matter see you could have somebody who who you shared every view that they share on policy, but if they are indecent and if they cannot work with the other side. They referred

these clowns and losers? On the other side, then they are able to an active policies that you favour giving bronco. Burma is decent man, yes, didn't I'll trouble, a decent man. You bet, I think, I think, and in their private moments. You sue relationship for family and what not, I think, there's The decency that all of us have better, but I think in the fact that you have those relationships, speed see privately and a new act in different ways. Publicly then there's a problem there, giving down Trump espouses, the character of decency and his public rhetoric. No, no doubt

go privately, and I have heard people say if you get to know him privately than a different person, but that's not what we see. I don't think we ve seen behaviour that that should be not had. Some of your colleagues been upset with you in your speech. Church Can you name any them now? I can give yet again gives now area some problem with states. Are they not some public? We said that we will keep these things private term and an obviously I have discussions with folks in the White House and I've done as much privately as I can. So it's not just the speeches made on the seventh floor. Withers com. Patients like with colleagues Here- oh yes, I think I mean There are a lot more who feel and wish that they are in a position to stand up and say such things. some don't believe that I should beer or they certainly wouldn't do it themselves. I hear

times over in public statements, Sir some members in particular, making a sound like that, some kind of subservient relationship with the president that he is our boss. More words to that effect, and that is not the case here. Three separate branches of government or the article one branch and a no senator or member of the house ought to be a rubber stamp for any Princeton Republican or Democrat. What John Mccain said about this dove he's here said a lot of things publicly that I agree with. I want characterize or private conversations which Macao and But I want to be, as you rightly, who is more fun to get a beer, which make sure you're asking them warm and I've never taken a very clever. He saw a cup of coffee chocolate, maybe now that either but the chocolate I get along with the one thing that is gonna, be tough about

maybe no the camaraderie on public, an undemocratic side, tat we get along well and then that's what I wished But could see as you know, in a house, Jim, her or its were on the baseball diamond, do their game, where every year there's there's a lot more good feelings. then you see publicly and we get along better than than we want a display. I think I've do is ask about gender humours. I worked for him ass. His Jude counts on the Dishes Committee for forty five years before it became united to turning. He said this about you and you're here, people talking this that people across the aisle he said quote. I don't agree with him, but he sort of asked of America he's an honest, hardworking guy states his mind was willing to stick his neck out on issues that, hurt you with your constant efforts, should measures. I certainly where you know I I was

as a member of the gang of eight and for seven month period, you know we spent a lot of time together. Sigh I was I was pleased to see that, along those lines during the race when TIM Kane was picked, is wholly Clinton's running made. I had working with him on a math, I'm still working authorization for use of military force. With teamed up on on other issues and we're good friend sender, I just playfully tweeted dirt now, I'm trying to kid the ways I hate him Kane, but I'm drawing a blank he's a good man. Congratulations and I got immediately emails and tax. and mean tweets from republican same basically, if you can't say anything bad, don't say anything at all, and it was just that it's beyond the pale and and we

If we're going to solve the big issues that we got us off, in particular our debt and our deficit, we're gonna have to come together and share the political risk If you look at what we're dealing with right now, this tax reform- if you look back to nineteen eighty six Happened to be with George Salts Reagan's. Former secretary of state is ninety six years old. Very much involved and informed with what's going on now, and he said TAT, How do the other day said? Tax reform, as easy said he just low there, broaden the base. We ninety seven votes for it in nineteen. Eighty, six: ninety seven votes in the Senate for a big, complex task form package that gourd just about everybody's ox- and that was a point that I know you to be the Republicans and Democrats would come together and say but share the the meagre credit and lets

Naturally, our ourselves. Her again to the the other that the risk of everybody being manifest by all voting together here and they would come together on big issues. And going to have to have that for some Big issues and when we I just don't see that that seems a galaxy are far away from now. You why why doesn't happen any anymore, I think the parties have decided that were better off you could pass legislation with a big partisan majority or you could pass legislation with a narrow, partisan already, we would instinctively opt for the latter because then you could use it as a cudgel to beat the Democrats with and and if you could give credit for them, information intended you design it away that they couldn't vote for it. This podcast is relatively young. We won't have been doing this for a few weeks, but this is the second time that I'm taping and up,

with a guest that were taping literally the day after a tragic, devastating mass shooting right, and it was just a few weeks ago that I had the day after the LAS Vegas shooting. So many people died, John Miller who's, the counterterrorism officialdom. I pity that the head of counter intel- and he said this on the purchase a few weeks ago- and it is one for you in and get your reaction. So I guess we know who we are and what's important to us. If our guns are more Orton then, are elected officials more important than our families at them all more important in our chill. in school, even when they are in the hands of people who shouldn't have them, I should have been able to obtain them people who are emotionally disturbed where that's been documented.

If that's who we are, I think we need to ask why. I think we should all be asking a question. What makes sense what makes Encender. I do think that those of us who believe in the second amendment- and I do those of us who grew up on a ranch and a farm like I did and you up with firearms, recognize that there are limits, and we all recognize that nobody should walk around with a fully automatic weapon, for example from their Arlin and I think reasonable limits can be placed and, for example, after the LAS Vegas shooting. I think there was a virtual consensus out there that mechanisms which will make a semi automatic weapons fire like an automatic, ought to be banned. We'll see agencies go ahead and do that

and then finally follow up in Congress, and we need to We obviously need a better system for background checks where We share information better, not though, with mental illness or its documented rejuvenated. We don't have a good system there. introduced legislation to do that? people who are on a no fly list, should be on a no biased as well. something where there's not much agreement on, so I do think reasonable regulations can be put in place. It's not going to solve everyone. I happen to be. On the receiving end of some gunfire the summer on the baseball field? With representatives of these were shut, and so I've I've kind of seen outside and it's not a pleasant place to be humanitarian since you're not running again, can I ask you if you think that there are some people who vote the way they vote

the more because they're afraid of the inner re losing funding from there were being attacked by them scorecard then, because they have a strong belief in the particular position on Google. sure. That's ok, so they are out of lobby group is a terrible thing it has been, But that's not the only area other areas on the laughter people both the way they do, because maybe the fear of being targeted by groups or individual. Some I like to think I haven't been, but obviously you through you. I thought If we remove all political considerations. I think that we have a bit of a different, to restructure than we have right now, but it that way what All of us were guilty of that myself included what two or three things you think would be different with respect to have guns are purchased in American regulated if you're, no put it considerations, one like I said you would certainly not have mechanisms, it would make a sound

automatic fire like an automatic sower, any enea, bump stock, crank trigger mechanism you do have a more seamless system when it comes to people with mental health issues. The next system just doesn't share information search should and if the infirmary that were learning right now it still early after the shooting in Texas. Yesterday is true, then even the criminal background hissed. Isn't shared well enough and this person was convicted in a military court of domestic violence cry that too should have disallowed him the right purchase weapon, so that information is to be shared Well, you also had a colleague Gabby Giffords in the house who was shot casket, when you are on the baseball diamond and one of your colleagues is felt by a bullet, and you see him bleeding and you

not sure he's gonna live or die. Does a visceral experience like that change your view about policy, and should it I think you to take every experience like that. I think how can we help address this in the case of the baseball shooting this person didn't have a mental health issue. He added a weapon, though he legally purchased. I dont know if the regulations and I've just talked about term or better application. Them would have would have snagged him. My I just don't know better I'd just tell yet, It's not a not a situation. I ever want to be in again when I ask you another issue before we have to go and its immigration reform Ambitious, won't immigration immigrants who have person views on this on this point, not just as a citizen, but also as someone who got so much by coming to america- and I know you have views on this- I worked in the Senate in two thousand seven, and that was a time when there was republican.

Who is in favour of comprehensive immigration, the farm in a path of citizenship and the senator just gone Democrat. and so there was a lot of fervour and exciting and optimism that some grand compromise can be achieved by a lot of people. You had a willing president of one party, you had a willing majorities, of the other party and it didn't go anywhere. So what's gonna happen with gracious pathetically. Given the rhetoric we have now. Well, I mean we have something right now: a kind of a foreseen mechanism, the dock at issue, the eight hundred and kids who are now protected were kids who abroad across order when they were children. They're gonna lose protection, but on the first two march, unless we act so I hope that forces us to the table, and we can do more comprehensive reform. I've fur ass, we ve, talked about before been in favour of a comprehensive reform, and I do think that please

called level we Republican serve need to do better that's an area where, when you look at the share of the spanish vote, for example, the Republicans get it's pretty meagre to see moving forward, how we're going to succeed as a national party unless we get right on that issue and are able to actually speak to these groups in ways that we can convince and about our way in, and I don't think we ve done that For me, this issue, it certain coloured. By the way I grew up around in my book. I grew up on a ranch in Northern Arizona. We use migrant labour. Much of its people, who can cross it legally and so how hard they worked and-

They wanted to be here and they wanted to provide for their families and I've never been able to look at them as a criminal class. Since that time, one of the bee critics who used to be high up in the administration and honest effort, President drop Steve Bannon, for you glad he's either went out. Yes, I am make of what he said about. You think he takes credit. I think called you his one of his first Scouts and you in reaction to that he can you can say what everyone's then I'm not a fan of that kind of politics. I think we're better than that and I think,

party, is republican Party? That's not where we want to be. I think we want to be an inclusive party, a big tent that has more of a diversity of opinion and and certainly more of an inheritance to principal principal is inclusion. So so I know I'm not a fan of this kind of politics and political courage in standing up for what you know is right, regardless of political consequence the political courage to foresee on the part of your colleagues in the Congress come here I'll leave that to them my eye, I serve with a lot of good people on both sides of the aisle, and I am grateful that there are you optimistic.

Is it over time over time? I am optimistic. We have an incredible system here. We do these institutions that we have a strong, durable, I think you're being tested now, but to if we ve gone through tougher. in the past, under particular institutions, you're more sanguine about others, less sanguine about. So if we took the courts, the Congress, the press, the executive Well, I I am concerned about earth was talked about, Madison happen, the costs it she and the separation of powers. I think that congresses, Sir, is not to upholding its end of the bargain. And not asserting itself as our constitution. Choirs meant allows for me why we will willing

seed authority to the executive branch that we ought to hold and- and I hope that as we go through these, these tough times coming up That will stand up and we need to change our. Thank you very much. The book is the content of a conservative really really appreciate your time, and I are very busy having me, thanks an hour. The point to show where I want to talk about something in the news that struck me and stuck with me. So therefore knows this week there was action in their allow local elections all over the country, including in New York and Eugene, Z in Virginia and other places, and there is a particular election in a town called Edison in New Jersey, not far from where I grew up from Jersey and there is a school board election in which they were to Canada's running both asian American one chinese American named Jerry.

And one in an American Falcone Patel and in the last week that there were flyers that were sent out in mailers. I think to various people who might be voting in the election and they're pretty nasty and on the flier there's a picture of each of the candidates, both asian. with the headline it does make Edison great again and it complains about apparently You know that an indian american and chinese American how the temerity to run for office with the complaint, the Chinese and the Indians are taking over our town, chinese school, Indian, school cricket fields and the one answer to be problem cricket feels enough is enough. The reason I know but these wires is because my parents to live in New Jersey and lived not far. that is netizen mobile, great indian restaurant and the reason I know about these fires is my. My dad texted me an article a linked to an article about them, and you know

he's been living in New Jersey for forty years. Odin users, in they care about politics and in being involved, civically New Jersey and upset him. I tweet but that evening and it got some attention, but maybe in as much as it should have We have the election and guess what both of those candidates for school board got elected. So just at a time when you think there's a lot of hate and there may be or your at a time you think the people are voting for improper reasons you have two candidates in a local race is the most important thing in the world. Will not you got the president tweeting from the White House when some ways it is. You know maybe the most important thing for for local people no matter where you're from matter what your name is no matter. How stranger, nay, may sound a people matter what your religion is, that you can get involved in they get involved by voting, but get involved by running for leadership. Position in related note in Hoboken, New Jersey and other New Jersey, local race,

a man by the name of robbery, Bala that elected mayor, the first indian American seek mayor of the town of Hoboken who also had some racist literature circulated about him. There was a butterfly around about him with a picture of him, above which it said. Don't let terrorism take over our town, because I supposedly a person who wears a turban because he seek must necessarily be a terrorist. Obviously that stupid. And I am delighted to report that he won his race for mayor as well and as I was sitting at home, watching the returns on Tuesday night, I tweet, something that I believe very deeply. If you don't love America's diversity, then you don't believe in America's promise. I congratulate Jerry. She Falcone Patel and Rob Ebola. Good luck. That's it for this episode of state to thanks again I guessed senator flake and thank you for listening and don't forget lives. coming up our first slide, show taping of stay tuned in New York City.

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