From CAFE, and the Vocs media pack has network welcome to stay too I'm free perreira. I said I support monopolies, but they can't be abusive because remember. I was arrested at fifty feet by police officers. instead of saying what worries me. I say why not me: that's Eric Adams he's the mayor. New York City when Adams took office in January- became the city second black mayor and the first former police officer to leave the city since nineteen fifty, both in his care. pain in his first hundred days in office, Adams has focused on crime, and public safety he's also become a cheerleader for revitalizing the city's economy, including its nightlife. In the wake of the pandemic, he's been known for hitting the city's hotspot, saying when a mayor has swagger the city? Has swagger Adams play for as Democrats around the country, taking notice

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The Ferguson who asks how does the process and vetting differ for Scotus, vs, chief justice, Scotus, meaning, I guess, associate justice of the Supreme Court versus the chief? Is it just a timing? Thing death, slash retirement, or is it more populated and strategic, I e is there someone who would wouldn't be chosen for chief who might be otherwise nominated, foresee that's really interesting question. I don't think there's really difference. It comes very, very infrequently, there's a chief opening every few decades? It seems in modern times we only had to chief justices of the Supreme Court in the last thirty six years. little bit of history on the point? One thing to remember is every president: when there's a vacancy at the chief justice level of the Supreme Court has two options: either appoint someone from outside the Supreme Court or you can choose to nominate someone who's an associate justice for promotion to the chief justice spot, and then you get a chance to nominate yet another person

to the spot that was vacated by the person, who is to be the chief justice knots. In fact, what happened with chief justice renquist he was appointed to the court by next in nineteen. Seventy one service and associate justice for five years and in nineteen eighty six, when worn burger left the court, the present at the time Ronald Reagan had a choice to promote someone from within or appoint someone from without He chose to nominate William Rehnquist to be the chief justice. Now, that's not a promotion that happens internally. Just by FIAT. Rank was had to go through a second confirmation hearing before the Senate and get voted on by the Senate, became the chief justice and then his vacant spot was filled by none other than Antonyms Scalia, now fast forward to two thousand five, when I was in fact working on this in a judiciary committee and said day, O Connor retired and President Bush nominated John Roberts to be an associate justice of the Supreme Court to fill the O Connor seat. On the

Very eve of the confirmation hearings in the first week of September and two thousand five justice renquist suddenly passed away over the weekend, Senate Republicans adjourned the hearings for John Roberts for a week during that time, President Bush withdrew the nomination of John Roberts to be an associate Supreme Court justice. and renominated him to fill the chief justice spot. So that's an example, someone who was considered front associate just a spot and when the chief justice bought opened up on the eve of the confirmation hearing was renominated for the top position and then, of course, as you Ultimately, SAM Alito was not made for the spot vacated by Saturday, O Connor. So I think it's the case that one is the chief justice vacancy a present will choose the person who he or she thinks is the best for the job aligned with the ideology of the administration, and it doesn't matter whether to chief justice spot or an associate justice spot, but that's at least what I think is

recent history. This question comes in a tweet from carry who asks. Will you stay on Twitter under new ownership? So this is a question. there is occupying the thoughts of social media maidens who are on Twitter a lot and it comes up We, on the heels of the news that Elon Musk seems too and successful in making an offer. forty something billion dollars to buy twitter outright and there's, a lot of debate and there's a lot of drama, I dunno what's going to happen to the website, I write and speak often about twitter being a good thing, sometimes in a bad thing. Other times, probably. For me, it's been more good than bad, but I I appreciate how terrible it become, how it can be assessed, pool of hatred and animosity and disinformation, but there is also good things are developed relationships on twitter. I can get my message out on twitter people who didn't have voices can have their voice heard on Twitter.

Twitter, a couple of days ago, in answer to your question, carry that I intend to on Twitter, at least for the time being. I still think it's a decent platform for lots of good things and if all the good people who are trying to be honest and true and reasonable, flee the website at that makes the disinformation pro Even worse, someone's waited just this morning mileage on fast, something that I think, makes a lot of sense. She says I dont understand liberals leaving twitter because your man, about Elon Musk. For now, and this may not always be true forever, but for now this is the public square. Why seed it Think that'll be true. There's something weird has been going on: twitter, liberals endemic. and progressive have been losing twitter followers. Over the last couple of days, conservative Republicans have been gaining. I've lost myself, I think like ten thousand or eleven thousand. twitter followers, not clear whether that's a function of people were on the progressive side of things are quitting the the app or, if it's a sweep,

Bots in on the republican side, whether it's people who are rejoining the site after being upset about President Trump being kicked off the site, there's a question about whether or not former President Trump we'll be invited back on the site when Elon Musk as a control I don't know, what's going to happen with the site, but for now I'm staying put. As I said in recent weeks, I thought from time to time out answer based. Question about the law, specifically criminal law. Because we assume knowledge on the part of people that maybe we shouldn't assume seriously question that comes out from time to time and its this

Why do we have a bail system if a guiding principle of the criminal justice system is that one is innocent until proven guilty? Now that's a very interesting question and you have to think about it for a minute. Obviously, the the presumption of innocence is central to our criminal justice system and is a way in which people can be protected if they're charged with a crime and generally what that means is. You are not sentenced to any term of imprisonment, so you're a free person in the United States of America. However, there are circumstances in which people are taken into custody pending trial, and it's a fraught moment whenever there is an arraignment or a presentment on a criminal charge in federal court, I'm speaking only a federal court. Because another state court systems in various places The controversial in the bail system operates differently in different states, I'm going to speak just about the federal system, but when you are first presented on a criminal complaint or a criminal indictment, one of the most important questions, the judge

ask is what is the government's position? What is the prosecutions position on remand? Meaning? Does the government think of the defendant, who is just charged needs to be held pending trial, and there can be two reasons to make that argument and they have nothing to do really with guilt or innocence. They have to do a two things: one risk of flight and too dangerousness to the community. So, for example, if you have been charged and there's a decent of evidence that the judge fines to be the case with shooting people doing harm committing a rape engaging in an act of terror. The argument that the government will make it to the judge might agree with is that you are a danger to the community until the trial is resolved, at which point either you'll be acquitted and you can go free because that's how our system works or you'll be sentenced to some further term of imprisonment and the time before conviction. These served in prison counts towards that ultimate sense. The second reason, as I mentioned, is risk of if you can show that someone has a history.

Ignoring bench warrants, if you can that someone has a lot of means has multiple passports? if there's some other evidentiary basis to believe that this person is likely not to appear for trial or for their court appearances. You make an argument to the court that this person, if not remanded to the custody of the government, will Anyone could just as ultimately have the interesting thing about arguments relating to risk: a flight notwithstanding the presumption of innocence. Is sometimes a government will make an argument about the strength of the case, the strength of the evidence and the likelihood that the person is guilty, even though there hasn't been a trial. Yet and prosecutors will argue it. Sometimes this argument works, and sometimes it doesn't that one of the reasons for concern about risk of flight is it's a serious charge there is overwhelming evidence. The defendant knows and appreciates. There's overwhelming evidence understands that the likely- conviction is very high and the central problem

we'd be fairly long and that's an incentive to flee the jurisdiction. So, in answer to the question, in summary, though, there is a presumption of innocence. There are circumstances in which the system permits the taking into custody of somebody before. Guilt has been proven for the there's more coming up after this, At some point in your life, you needed advice, whether it was your parents teaching you about saving money, a friend explaining where to go in a first date for your partner, helping you make a difficult career,

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it's great to be here? I want to get something on the record right off the bat mud, the former usage, and I think it should just be clear that this is a non custodial interview and I will not be Miranda you, so you had a big day every day in New York is. Is it be right, but today we gave a big speech today, honesty. The city and I have thought we're going to say the state of the city is full of swagger.

did you think about saying? Yes, I did, and we are full of swagger. New York is a unique place and it's all about people often talk about our buildings, our structure of brick and more. But that is not our secret I'll see you to borrow from the rays from snapples shrink, we are who we are because we made up of the best on New York. apple had nothing to do with that, endorsement is what to make that clear. So President sparks stepped in a line of mine, because I was gonna talk about some things. You said in the speech in its away to talk about your vision for the city. What happened in the first one hundred days how you envision the next number of number- thousands of days and you talked about your New York in a particular way and, as she pointed out, you said there are two types of people in this world: New Yorkers and those who wish they lived here. But then

began the speech by saying, I feel sorry for the people who live in small towns in that new. city, that's great, for this crowd. Here I have. I have many listeners, who live in small towns it can you explain to them why those statements are accurate. Statements of law will Ankara's cross, not only the country but the glow and with many people don't under and when you are in a small location is like me, gone when one flower, the beauty of the cross pollination of ideas of key music is sound. You can walk into A chinese restaurant have a russian cook for a menu that he learns from his mexican girlfriend. I grew up in the South Bronx. You know that

this isn't a hypothetical that's a reality, and so our diversity will you? through the city and of you allow yourself not to be isolated in one different area. This something tat you come away from an many of the monolithic small towns. They don't have the same benefits that we have here. Every block is a small town in New York. Soon, large as Malta. That's right, you have nothing against small towns, no eleven Vancouver Mellow Camp is fine by me. That's. Why are you so? you ve been through a lot. As you pointed out in your speech on the camp, Israel and, as everyone here knows, coded inflation and unemployment just getting better, and you said something interesting that I want to ask you about. You have said on the hundredth day we're a little bit past that now you sit on the one hundredth day. This is an FDR moment and I think you mention

empty are in your speech today as well. What are the kinds of things? That's a big thing to say what are the kinds of empty are level programs like social security and things of that nature that you think we need that. You think you can get accomplished for the city of New York and then compound question is it enough to your moment just for you in your city, or is it also and after a moment for the President forgot

whereas around the country and for mayors of other cities. I love that question. I love that question something when I was in South Africa, I heard Archbishop Desmond Tutu say a quilt that I live by. We spent a lifetime pulling people out of the river. No one goes upstream and prevent them from falling in. In the first place, our country is built on a system of a downstream mindset. All we do is wake downstream. It's almost dysfunctional. We wait to have people fall into river of foster care. We wait for children who are dyslexic like I am to fall in the river thirty percent of our prison population. They are dyslexic. We wait for people to fall into the river mental health illness, forty eight percent of our presence there right gazelle and meant to help the illnesses healthcare. We wait for people to have chronic diseases instead of haven't preventive medicine in a real way, and so this

a real moment for all of us, actually believe that we are at a different place in our existence as human beings, because mass Go men had gone to evolution, men and women have gone to evolution. We ve gone from the. The end at all to another level to another level to another level. They didn't know at the time going through that level that they're about to transform. We don't realize we about a universally transform how we exist, as you may be so this at the moment knees we better get ready for what we expect in life and is not what we expected previously. I think that's great, but as there are particular programme childcare we were able to successfully get the resources. We need for child care that as hell, that woman and poor communities for years. They will pan fifty five hours a week for childcare

Because of our success is down to ten dollars a week. We going to do Dyslexia screen, and in all of our schools that's unimaginable when you think about it. When thirty percent of the prison population dyslexic Wigand, to go into a healthcare system in all? As you know, I type two diabetes lost my sight. Doctors, will be blind. In a year I was gonna, lose some fingers and toes they stated You know I was basically gonna be an issue in the rest of my life we invested in. lifestyle, medicines, plant based diet, Doktor Mc Makin, we started be boasting chronic diseases Like my planet, disease was we both we now go to expire, in that city? Why so would you see my administration is doing we're taking New York City Upstream- and this is at the moment

we're going to change our life is in New York. So with all the difficulties with the economy- and I imagine you- shouted the budget and your success in balancing the budget this year in the speech. How do you do these big after a moment types of things in the car? economy by running our cities more efficiently. Remember we this what did it froze times that we witnessed a budget decrease it it'll. The projected budget was over billion dollars. We went down to. ninety nine point, seven billion dollars and we are calling calling on the age- cease to produce a better product. We ve got so used to having a product that is not really representative or what we pay taxpayers. How do you spin thirty billion dollars, educating children, in every year, sixty five percent of black and Brown showed it never reach for efficiency.

This is unimaginable, so, instead of just thinking You spend more about doing more and we could do more and we could do better. Talk about public safety is a cornerstone of your campaign. You- and I both have- Significant law enforcement backwards could? Could you remind me who the police, commissioner, is a little? I wanna make please, commissioner. The first advocate America latina to be policed. Commission in the history of New York City, it is commissioner soul and she's just amazing. The reason I ask is that the police mission was you ok, How and by what I mean by that is how much attention to you pay to the police department. How much are you managing the police department? How independent is the police commissioner from the mayor? How does this

She was, if you know the commission as soon as you have on one day since I left you really come. Yes, we worry she's they're gonna. Let you run her. He's one tough, tough know. You know that is, is the important thing I'm elite of the city. In general, should leave from the front patiently from the rear, just sit. My commission is my deputy mayor too bad. We say how was the war I'm gonna led them into the war and fight the battle. Traditionally, the mayor's had to turn over police departments in the thinking round public safety to the police commissions and take a step back law? Really Giuliani was not a cop. He was used to turn you, but that's a totally different thing. If it is, you know, in the southern district, where you came, I want it, so it is imperative that partnership we have developed is really bad.

Ideas of each other and she is a policy that does not come within Eagle she's about. How do I make the city safe? That is only focus

and she's doing an amazing job in accomplishing then. Are we going to turn around the score? Are so a lot of bad? Things have happened with respect to crime in the city since you ve been mayor in your third week, two young police officers were shot to death when the saddest things you can see. Just a couple weeks ago there was a subway shooter o brought to mind awful terrorist attacks. The crime statistics are not good. Crime is gonna, there's a flurry of hate crimes happening in the jewish community in the asian community and in the end, the Trans community, not just here but around the country x. My first question about that is what matters is not just whether crime is increased

but the perception of whether crime is increasing. What do you think the perception of New Yorkers about that and as it match reality? Yes, when you see the increasing crime, those are real numbers. We have to fight to things we have to fight to preserve, and because perception is reality, and then we have to fight the actual numbers of those who are victims. And you think those are aligned or other people who were under as mating crime or overestimating crime in the city at the moment. Nothing's. The combination this this you get up in the morning. You read the pay But when you hear about someone was hit in the head with a hammer, why the internet your subway station, then you enter the city. you see. Encampments, you see disorderly condor, you see Yelena scream and you see Dotan trash now what you re

Is it your reality? Even if you're not a victim of a crime, you say, and I see a state of disorder. So that's why we have to deal with the actual crime and we have to deal with those who are seeing conditions that lead to you feel in unsafe. That's why we wanted to remove any account this on our subway system. So I think that's a great point For you, as a mayor and for your police, commissioner, is the way to attack the problem of actual crime and perception of crime to go after actual crime. or there are things that you can do that are different to make people feel more comfortable in their perception. You know what I mean combination. I use the term into sure prevention prevention, those at a long term things we were going to do but intervention. Those are the things we need to do right now, with a look like. We should not have people. Sleep alone are so we system

indictment on us. There's nothing dignify by living in those can She is so we must remove the encampment solve ourselves that those people and engaging in crime- or that is at a different problem of homelessness and people who are unhoused, One is the question. We should ask the goal family. It was homeless person basis meant to have illnesses that pushed her to do so. We tracks and the countless number of crimes has been attached to people were meant to have illnesses that no one is giving them proactively to services they deserve, and so I am not going to wait into a mere go was pushed, should attract I'm going to give people proactive support that in the desert and when we started this initiative of dealing with those who are dealing with mental health issues, only twenty two people in the first week responded to our call. Now we have seven hundred people because we built trust. What do you say to folks who

criticise you and say really. What Mayor Adams has done is to get those people who were without homes at a site, rather than get them help things the contrary. I think they should do with Norman Siegel is doing Normal signal is putting together a volunteer group of a hundred different New York. Is that a will to go and street and speak with people before started this initiative. I spent weeks when inside encampments, talking to people who are living in encampments,. I saw human waste in a corner when you went, I saw people using drug path in area. Would they say to you what they say that they wanted? What are they say? Their lives were like. They say they re to go into shelters. They rather live on the street and are their right to be afraid to go to shelter loading outright. So what did I do? Talk Toma tee this clear that some people do not agree with that, and I saw these lists in New York. Eight point, eight million

but those million opinions, but one mayor, that's gonna, make a decision. So what is it? What did? I do? I told my team after hearing from those people, I see this I think brochures and show them what they're moving into and we went out with brochures and they looked at them and a sort of conditions. That's what we went from twenty two to seven hundred, but those brochures, because I've seen brochures of hotels, There are then gone to miss a little bit of a disconnect doubt, but people were holding on to the conditions of what they do it the shelters were, and no one is going to tell me that living on a street in a tent when no bathrooms, no showers, no meals, no access to healthcare, no access to healthcare, no one is going to convince me that that is more dignified, then go

when his size someplace. We have three meals, access to health care, access to shower access or caseworker, I'm not going to accept that as a city we can pass by people who live in our industries. I'm not going to do there and that's not going to happen in my administration, I got going back to your speech and some of the issues cause. You spent some time on public safety, as I think was appropriate. You said something very simple that I think is non controversial and you said it twice and it's interesting to me that in this day and age you had to say it, and you said I will support my police, and I think you said it twice-

Can you can you describe why it is necessary to say that and why that's a little bit in two thousand and twenty two, a bold statement to make And- and why are there people in your view and on your analysis, who need to be told that the police should be supported with first was the toothpicks and they went together? I know you did. I said I support my police, but they can't be abusive because remember was arrested at fifty p by police officers. And instead of saying what worries me, I say why not me ribbon herbivore trees, rice leaders told me to go into the police, the blood I became a car And I saw the importance of public safety injustice.

And so when I tell New York is support. Your police, I tell police officers, you won't be abusive in my police department, is serving my deplete, the bombing and our police department. So does the balance that we are talking about, but we need to support our police That's it I'm going to simply offices on the front line and Tom the go. After guys, we took twenty five hundred illegal guns of the streets since I've been the mayor. Think about that is that a lot of guns compared to how many guns are on the streets. Let me tell you a gun. You know I don't know the ensue. Many and is the real fear, is the real fear. Not only do we take of twin Five hundred when I spoke with Mayor Lightfoot who took off eighteen thousand, streets of Chicago area. Yes mere Chicago. His real fear Supreme Court is about to rule on open, carry yeah, it's not gonna be got. Is I don't know them

work is realising the yoke is realised what that means. First, second goes guns. You have some nut, Bacchus it inside his own house and make a garden no serial number. So we don't get away from the fixation If guns in our society, we are going to have a major impact on public safety, but can I ask you a question about guns and I'm one hundred percent with you and when I was us attorney, we focused on gun crimes and recidivism among people who used guns for violent crimes and possess guns. If they had been felons. but how pillar battle is it in the city of New York? No matter how much you crack down when All these other states have much more lax laws. I mean how feudal is the exercise work. One thing is extremely disappointing:

for me. Is that President Biden, it was really the first president to start having a real conversation about what we want to do about goods of other presidencies passed over. So nine eleven happens. What do we do? As a country? We stated never again will we allow the lack of information sharing to have someone come on our soil and take thousands of lives? We have not done that. We're gun violence every day we are having this number of innocent people losing their lives in us in our cities it's America. This is not only New York right, but there are parts of America where you can go to a gun show, and there are all these loopholes, not just ghost guns but other things, and it's really easy to bring them into the city over the over the bridge or through the tunnel. Or are you thinking about engaging in national action and advocacy to protect New York, not just doing things in New York? We have to

and, let's be honest when you look at the legislation, has been passed on. A national level in Washington has been passed because of assault rifles because of school shootings, which is important for us to have done that But you will see the same urgency, problem in America is the hand guy, but was the victim of Hankers Black Brown and poor. There's never been an urgent move towards addressing the handgun crisis? We need to have a real eightieth leader, as the president has nominated. We need to double up one idea. We only have twenty four eighty of ages in the country eighty in New York. We need to do information sharing to identify those guns deal is that are placing guns in the city. Do legal means, and we need to really deal with gun trafficking. he was successful in state and have them drop down in numbers for gun trafficking. So there

Must be a national movement and my mayors across the country they hear when I'm saying and we want to rally together to address, is, is broken windows policing, good in your view, and is it back is This is bad, one is abuse and I don't believe in the costs of a broken window. Police it it over with What do you do believe in the concept of? I guess it depends on what label you give it in quality of life and meant just and is what it is. What it looks like is what it looks like Miss Jones is waning on on this story. You made it up harder money and by I'm shampoo, some other characters comes in, what were the ban? decides, can decide still everything off the shelf and walk out without paying no cost costs. Money because, if Dwayne Reed says to me, I'm closing down my stores here, because everyday someone has come,

stealing whatever they want and walk out, but you know what happens there. Low wage cloak is no longer employ their personal stock into shelves is no mobile in I saw my criminalizing anyone by saying you can not do whatever you want in this city and disrespect of people. I'm saying it standard of expected behaviour now city and we don't have to be heavy. Indeed, as policing to get there, we've eroded the basic duties of being We should have never legalise on public urination. What will be taken about me? I don't know it's option amity

as they say on the Harvard business been the same. In the same, let's see what do do you think? What do you think about certain prosecutors in the city who, some time ago, a former prosecutor in the city who said we were not going to prosecute people for turnstile? Jumping this. I believe I think it was That decision was wrong. Yes, it works because number one we input into our budget in increasing in reduced fare metro, car, permanent, permanent space lab also person come to the train and I can't pay their fair. Do you know there's a process you can go to so they can get off a free. This process. Is that an a brochure get the idea that the information but the? But do they think the thing is? The thing is that you cannot have a city as diverse as New York

must run on systems and respect for the rules are being in the city you, Have a city with someone is decided, I'm just not gonna pay, I'm gonna work gonna. Both I'm just gonna carry a guy, I'm just gonna take it. Everyone understands that you do get on the phone with DA's and say we need to rethink this with this and we sit down every week and we have some amazing DA's from brag too arrogant, as others too Melinda cats too, bronzy. A wee me imagine this technology I stand out as well mention four of the fire I could start now does not therefore gunboat with me, I had a lot of time out there, the forgotten the, but we- we sit down with waste, We said that we talk often in there

is where we agree and areas where we disagree and that's ok. You know we. I dunno why we believe must agree with your which, with each other, all the time like, I said, I'm a degree myself all the time. You know was about how do we sit down and talk how we come to a middle ground and this policies that they have implemented that I just wanna going on and I'm shooting, things that I do that they don't agree on. We'll be right. Back with more of my conversation with Eric Adams. After this Are you sleeping it's a valid question and it's also a great new podcast from the sleep experts of mattress firm produced with vocs creative and these days people are exhausted. We need more rest. There is so much happening right now. Is it any wonder up at all hours of the night sleep and I have official relationship.

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we are doing an analysis of all about, I one would cause and we say, and what we call the police, for. We have been indoctrinated with the belief that any thing that happens immediately because the former called the police there are some calls for mental health illnesses that you don't need to police. There are calls for past crimes, you don't need a police and so instead of using police to do the job of dealing with real violent incidents, We should be using other entities like we invest in it to you. Our services and service providers. That's not brutal police. We lady! We have to we in ourselves. What or some examples of things that I shouldn't be that shouldn't be the police's job

someone calls and say in among my mother's filming, depress you'll need a police to do that. You will get a mental professional over the sometimes the mere presence of a police uniform form could aggravate. The situation. Escalated exactly makes it even more and so it's about using what has been done in other municipalities are really weaning. The public off of believing police is the only response and when you say a thing like that or the police with you, I believe they are right. They don't want to do those no, they do not and where that members of the public who are critical of the police, are they also with you unless they are out of these? Against this eight point, eight million people. Is it just because it is easy to have in August. We have three one one in New York also, but is it just? Is it is easier to the police do everything into something else that I realize

in the city trump do something to us. Now that I'm gonna jump down, I was hoping you wasn't, gonna come up and what you do and I said it when he was in office in us. concern about whom we want to vote him out of concern about what we ve become people getting gotta thanks, Thanksgiving A anymore we become so combated. We would no longer dig listeners We will seek to understand so we could be understood. We wait for you to finish the centres, so we You are wrong. We are people find creative ways just to disagree with you. People beat me plant based either there was eight- would be both my health care crises a blind is my nerve damage this year, but we think we saw you eat a pitiful peace. This site.

So I wasn't. I wasn't gonna bring a big engage in, but you know it's not that this are you two piece of fish is that you had your press person say flatly that the mayor doesn't eat, meter, fish and he's a vision, and you look great by the way I want I want whatever diet you have, whether it's? U ninety nine percent, vague and ninety percent vague and I'm in, but in fairness. I think the issue was a little bit different, how you describe. I don't think it was. I think that we're in the I gotcha when I got you, we need to keep the main thing. The main thing

in my press. Person is not running around with me all the time and so he's going to say what he wants to say, but listen, but the bottom line is: why have we become a place of I gotcha instead of a place, I got you, I got you the. that's the place we need to be instead of focusing on hey. You know this guy reversed blindness What diabetes is the number one cause of blindness in America number one cause of non trauma: Limited Atlanta, Atlanta, amputation, limb, amputation in an amputation in America. So why not say? Let's look what this guy's doing. because now we're gonna blood people- and I say you know, did you have a red snapper know this Tell me the died you want, because I'm due mainly to lose my site, that's what it's about escaped to maintain domain.

And Let me tell you it is formulated. This is the more have more to say. The most important thing to know about me. I'm perfectly imperfect, perfectly approach. I've heard and saw the people who are clap, covered? It is important to you and into a lot of folks. The people come back to New York, this for the vibrancy, the city, but even more importantly, perhaps for the tax base. People have gotten used to not doing the commute you're coming back, not just you know every day, but no days for some folks. How are you gonna? Get people

to think differently about that and go back to the way. It was different. That's a huge challenge, and so I don't envy you in that challenge how you gonna do that no great question in his different levels. One level is the most interesting level, my son's generation. They are the most. So fully conscious generation I ever met, my son would not have a cup of coffee unless he knows the bees were picked by those who have paid a fair wage and we would country it came from. I mean it's unbelievable how his generation is just people must be treated fairly so I sat down ass. A joint think about it. You can stay home. But if you stay home, then that person who works in the cleaners-

normally collegial Sue is not can paid that person who's. The dish wash in a restaurant and a low wage or a big cook or a waiter didn't I can pay. So by you staying home. Yes, you can stay home, but the financial ecosystem says you must be back out there so that business travellers avenues, which is seventy percent, above all, to lock it to see what s see employees the may deem majors, they argue pay. So when you say that I find it very compelling. What's the response he said there never thought about that way any changes. Mom? Are you working on its no I'm globally, echo is back out and thus the message we have to get out to people that our financial ecosystem depends on all of us being engage and not that look at the numbers within of this

sure determinant of the determinants of health is talking about loneliness, England. Loneliness tsar you know living does yes, yes, loneliness is going to become a major cry she's web increases suicide. Increased Creasy, young people, big it about attempt to suicide. We can't live a long. Do we have enough money in the budget to address mental health in the way we need to You never have enough to do admit to health crisis, but we are leading into the mental health crises. We have an amazing team, I'm a doctor for for those who are familiar. He was with Falcon house? That's why recruited him? I was so happy to give him my team, where he looked a rap around services for those who deal with mental health crises, but we have to de stigmatize meant to help illness. Is because when you go to someone, one is the advent of illness. Now you stigmatized them. We want to move into a space of wellness

Well, this is not only physical wellness but is meant to wellness as well, and we use saying: we want to create wellness environments, people viewed differently, that is trying to stigmatizing classifier people to a certain form of illness. Wellness is wellness, we need to be well. I want to ask you about Wreckers Island when I was your journey. Turning, we commenced waiting comments. We joined a lawsuit that already existed against the city and the from the corrections because of undue violence and excessive use of force, and there is a court order and they consented. And a monitor, impose its only gotten worse and the violence. There is even worse My successor, Damon Williams, last week, sent a letter to the city.

saying we are considering asking for receivership and taking authority away from the city with respect to records a new responded. Basically, I'm paraphrasing here- I just got here- give me a chance. What is it that you You can do to reverse the in a worsening problems. Rikers refers. Would you should be commended because was not on a radar about this and by you compelling us to examine rikers. It really put us in a place a it will blemish on our city for long time, Rikers did not start getting bear January. First, twenty twenty two: it has been a system of denying the. two was Hake. They own Reich his island they produce,

the number of those were employed they're, both civilian and correction offices, a black and brown laudanum of women that a black and brown and we basically said ignoring so you do a spotlight on that. The previous ministries failed generally come one. Twenty twenty two would away Ministration administration before that fail to and before that, and before that, before that so arrogant. What do you got? Right? Arrogance comes on Jerry, first, what you twenty two I come in Commissioner Molina, Commissioner Molina came from a facility that was head especially monitor. He got amounted to special monitor because of his

anxious. So all I'm saying to everyone give me a chance to give me a chance, but are you able? I know? It's only been one hundred and something days to articulate a theory whereby you'll be successful in the prior. Three administrations were not yes, yes, are you going to like now You know a know, figured someone coming up to me and say you all of these dom potholes. You know you can't fix him what's wrong with you knowing these assets, it son, is generally second weaknesses. How can it be that we both want is a signal of a big speech about does not catch. It is not going to press you further, but you give a big speech

You know it's been a hundred days and we ve done all these things and it's an empty our moment. So your little, but putting yourself in the position of being asked hard questions about concrete policies because you're touting the things you ve done in the first hundred days. Yes, I think it's a reasonable question in the face of increasing really a born violence, wreckers island that just gotten worse, not your fault, you didn't started! You ve only been a little while I would just ask you to to think quickly about why the? U S attorney is wrong on that point. You said something else, the weather, but yet, where you can get out of here, I was living off the hook. You know that you as you I don't want to be off the hook when his want the ball. When the game is on the line, I want to ball in my hands. Ball is yours. You know the the the

his attorney, and he did an analysis based on historical problems and writers, and I respect that. I have no problem with what he said. We must convince the people of the city and the US attorney and a spot special monitor that we are moving in the right direction and that's what we going to going to do, they're going to lay out exactly what their recommendations are, we going to implement them and we are going to show the reason why now look at what happened. We had thousands of correctional officers who would not come into the We have two thousand. We all know there is a huge absenteeism problem. They got worse and worse and worse and we had a thousand return. We just did that

If violence on violence in Rikers, we just did a a mass inspections of cells. Do you know we recovered over a thousand shanks? Think about that? A lot of shanks right right. We move from we've, moved from solitary confinement confinement, we're now moving into a punitive segregation that is not as abusive and in choose. If you go to see our educational program, where young people are getting real skills, so they won't be part of the revolving door. So we are doing things on the ground in Rikers Island, and that is how we are going to get out of this mess. But we also going to stop the feeder. No one wants to talk about the feeder that places people on Rikers Island and that's what I'm talking about. Let's stop the feeder that put peoples on Rikers Island. I know your team wants to get you going, but I've got a couple of final things. I'm sorry because we you said it's going to be hard for people to hate me

because we are listening in your speech today- do do you worry about being hated and then the famous question that arises is: would you rather be loved or feared? I would rather be respected We spent a lot of I may say: is they did something? This revolutionary decided to read. They started to say? Let me stop yelling at him, read his blueprint to in gun violence, oh, they saw they saw one paragraph on giving discretion to judges and they said to read these other paragraphs invested in force to kid children, crisis management, Dyslexia, screening, homeless, use some, employment. They submit this guy say what we say we want,

listening to each other, any more all we're doing is yelling at each other. Let's just read: let's just talk, let's just figure out: how do we live together? I think respect is a good way of thinking about it. This is not a gotcha question, but if I don't ask the question still good I'll be questioned right, so it can be very quick about it. Then, and one more thing will let you go Your tax returns are available. React. How can I not ask the question when you're tax burns. I know you don't extension of covert, I'm glad you recovered. You look great. When you're tax returns are filed, You disclose them to the public, like my players have done. Yes, yes, rail, but he has made

If you know what I mean you're coming on, have to know what to make of outer. Yes, I don't like these that sets out the his here's. What I was saying to the arrogance of the reported that acts of question in how we ask someone is of watch how he asked the question and the city I ask arrogantly no you do not you a polite. This city gave clear rules. This is what we expect about. We let it Fishers to show that they are transparent, they gave us the rules. of monsieur you I'd be report, my flowers. They told us what we have to do a comply every year every year. So we? U arrogantly, come to me because you're not gonna disrespect and ask her questions like I gotta answer you as yes or no the know what you're going to get don't get a no. I don't have a problem Allow me to say that I had asked the question properly. Yes, you should ok I'll play allowed its axis

and no one is going to see how much epic so do I good I'm glad we have to play as one one lasting and ask you, did your people are getting really annoyed at so. The last three mayors, thus of the city of New York, whatever you think of them, they all had one. in common ready, Giuliani, Michael Bloomberg, buildup lousy, oh, they all ran for president. I think they were like the worse presidential candidates ever like they do sucks. So bad and Democrats Republican Bloomberg, whatever party he was from, but I think they got a total.

three elections like nine votes. My final question to you, Sir, on this on this important day. Is it in the city charter that you must run for president, and are you competitive enough that you want to get like eleven votes? What does the future hold for you with respect to national politics? Residency limitless, you will dodge it, but I had to ask dodging you can run America from New York, yeah laughs. You are prepared for that. You are prepared, for that. Is that all you want to say you want to do as the New York

this place. I don't think New York is really appreciate what we mean to the entire globe. The way goes new, Yorkers America. The way goes, America goes to glow and what we do here, Tax, our entire country, he's old, Run America from New York. Thank you To close, to close, I just want to say that but I said to you when I met you, some months ago, when you were running at eleven thirty at night, walking down the street. Poor, Catherine, you wouldn't get to talk about the nightlife stuff. Maybe next time and I spent a week. We may agree alive.

We may disagree from time to time, I'm just a citizen who cares about the city of New York. I want you to succeed. Yes, I do agree with you. The city is the greatest, not just in America, but on earth and it's a really important place. It's a really special place. I feel so much gratitude that I get to be a part of the city and got to have a job in the Pub in public service in the city. I really wish you luck, then thank you for your service and by whom we have a great rest of your turn. Like many of you have been really concerned about the growing effort to ban books in our public schools and libraries, and it's not just because I was we became an author. According to American Library Association with the allay in twenty twenty one.

Total of seven hundred twenty nine books were challenged, meaning a person or a group, tempted to ban those titles from public libraries, schools and universities the highest number of attempted book bands since the ale. I began tracking them twenty years ago this past winner, as you might remember, it felt like every week her news of a different book being challenged or banned mouse arts Bigelow graphic novel about the Holocaust, the Handmaids tail by Margaret Atwood Bluest, I by Tony Morrison, engender a queer by Michael Babe. just to name a few according to the alien quote, most targeted books were by or about black or else Bt Q, I plus persons and quote, but as we ve across the country in recent years. Threats toward them chronic values, have been met with inspiring and often creative responses. when in the show this week by highlighting one that is for me close to home, and it's pretty awesome.

The broken public library or BP? L announced this week that letting anyone in the? U S aged thirteen to twenty one, apply for a digital library card, the initiative which is called books on band The name is specifically designed to fight back against, would be peel, calls the increasingly coordinated and effective effort to remove books, tackling a wide range of topics from library shelves. In addition, ivory has made a group of e books and audio books that are frequently banned or challenged? Always available to library, cardholders. That means, for example, if your team dream Admin County Tennessee with a local school Lord, has voted to ban mouse from the eighth grade curriculum you can access the book for free online. If you're interested in getting a bee peel Digital Library card, you can apply by emailing books on band, I'd be K. L, why a library, dot org, you cannot had to the libraries website, which is

W W W B, K, L, why and library, dot Org and thank you to the broken public library for fighting back against censorship or in their words, adding their voice to those fighting for the rights of teens nationwide, to read what they like. Discover themselves and form their own opinions. Every young person should have that right and in a democracy, it's up to each of us to protect, it Well, that's it for this episode of stay tuned. Thanks again to my guest, Eric Adams, if you like what we do rate and review the show on Apple podcasts or wherever you listen? Every positive review helps new listeners find the show

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