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Let us know what it means: but please enjoy this classic episode. hey. This is Annie and samantha. Don't ever told you, the by of radio, I got for today's question per hour for this period, maybe friday, we're talking about three movies that I had never seen, but you had what was it like re watching them for you yeah. So I really did forget everything about both movies for our practical magic in which is of eastwick. Yes, but I will say for both of them the fashion alone,

Take me back and I actually went off on, which is of east work, because only as back that fashion is bad, what they were wearing their wearing now on, like wholly what is happening, the fashion was pretty. As daddy. I in fact realize I had the shirt Sandra bullock is wearing and practical magic when she's like run into this case, which, by the way, I laughed so hard at that scene, and I'm sitting that next time we can have karaoke when she's running the beginning to her apple guy. I had that shirt she was wearing. I owned that in high school I was gonna say: are you ready for that range? Cause fatal has a whole different range, I'm probably just going to butcher agreement. Are you going to scream it you're going to be my edit exactly

exactly syria today or talking about those two movies and sugar warning for talks of abuse and abuse of relationships. Obviously we're not gonna get you into the details of that. But if you ve seen these movies, then you know what we're talking about practical magic is getting a pre koane the omax called the rules of magic and- and I feel it- you know accidentally timely and a lot of cases now cause all these witchy movies we've been talking about, are getting some sort of remake or sequel like a craft, hocus pocus, the witches and by the way hocus pocus is now the top grossing movie in theaters in two thousand and twenty. It just be strikes back while young people like bees of reaching which you say, It's so good, I will say, just throw them out there, which is of eastward. I don't see any necessarily remakes that there's kind of like back and forth, but

Let's see in like the early two, thousands of two thousand and nine, I believe, rebecca romijn starred in a tv show version of it called eastwick did not last long. Apparently, I don't really thus, while any, unless there is now an information on that. So remember, please, write in sight Let's get right into the organist start with practical magic, practical matters. is a ninety. Ninety eight rom com, I as a date to call it that, but I guess that's the closest thing: it is stirring Sandra bullock and a call kid men S, sisters, sallying julian owens, who yes are, which is its base on Alice, happens. Ninety ninety five book of the same name when the movie came out

hammered by critics, have murdered in entertainment, weekly reviews that it must have had a hex on it. Some declared it answer feminist, because the focus on loves bowls and heterosexual relationships like most of these movies. We ve been talking about. Recently, though it went on to get a cold following, and it was also a rarity for its time asked of mostly women, where the women were the main characters than the men had little agency, and these women were multigenerational women, it really defied genre and its well loves as a five star rating on amazon, prime, with almost seven thousand reviews re. This fills directed by and doing who, by the way, was a lifelong friend with carry fisher. Yes, who said he understood the movie as a story of

all women passing on and legacy generation to generation, and they brought a witch consulted. All said who demanded a percentage of the movie earnings and an additional two hundred and fifty thousand dollars when she refused she, Lhasa? Reportedly, she said Well, I'm going to put a curse on you, I'm putting a curse on this movie and putting a curse on griffith. Apparently she started speaking in tongues and sewed water, brothers and the recording of our scared legal so much that they just eventually paid her and by the way this became the is break. for one of the most well known lies in the film witches. Curses only have power, if you believe in them, and by the way griffith got many excesses exercise yeah. He was in an article with Ulster, I believe, and he said he paid one hundred dollars for it and he was like you know, I don't believe But I was nervous enough. Why not ask? Why wouldn't hurt, though? The plot of this film follows

the two sisters yeah who were raised by their aunt, whom I loved played by stockard channing and diane. We used weast and after the death of their parents as they battle a curse on their family that sentences any man and owens woman falls in love with to death, and this is this: curse took their parents from them. Their mother died a heartbreak after her husband was killed, by this curse, and it all started after one of their ancestors was banished maria's island massachusetts and she escaped execution. She was pregnant as she was waiting for her lover to join her when he did it. She cast a spell that would keep her from ever falling in love again but died soon after and the spell sort of got twisted up into this curse that promises death to any man and owens woman falls in love and it's really funny because right away as this is the opening seen and I was watching- and I was like this music is very very upbeat for what's happening right now

something about threw out the film I love is there'll, be like this really like cheerful music and I'm like that. That person just died, though right. Available late and I leave that they want a dyke but not too dark room. Just the two of us Races of bad cars later young sally cast a true love spell to prevent herself from ever falling in love. I conjuring the perfect man that she believes can't exist. Obviously, while young gillian decides she's very much wants to find love by the way. This is very indicative of their character. Sally is more serious and Jillian is a bit more carefree. It out there and as adults, Jillian prepares to move away and insist that the sisters make

blood pact that will they will die together as old. Ladies can we do this you and I I work right over the next few years. Sally falls in love with the local apple salesman and they have two beautiful daughters, one of them being Evan, rachel woods and anyway, one day sally wakes up hearing the sound of a death bug the beetle. She doesn't find it in time to prevent her husband from being killed by a truck sally returns to her aunt's home with her daughters and learned they cast a spell so that she could fall in love and in remote spots she desires. Neither she nor her daughters will ever use magic again and by the way, this all happens in the first ten minutes. Yes yeah, so her aunt sorta, they said they gave her a nudge like a push, and then she ran to this kiss playing in

I ground to meet this apple guy, but meanwhile Jillian and she's traveling around the country- and I as sally put it like going through a lot of men of being her care for yourself until she meets Jimmy and- and she just falls like- is so seduced by him. So in love with them, but it becomes clear like something is off in this relationship. He really possessive doesn't like her to be out of his sight, and so she drags him with belladonna and his tequila so that she can go visit Sally after church because she feels Sally's distress. So she drags him so she's able to get away and visit Sally and-

For her and provide help, and but then she returns to this band- that she's dating Jimmy until one night at julian call Sally and tells her he had hitter and she needs help, and so I immediately goes to get her but Jimmy kidnaps, both of them at gunpoint and it's pretty clear, he's going to he's planning on killing julian and so Sally is able to put belladonna in his drink at and accidentally kills him accidentally, overdoses him. They just meant to knock him out, and so the sisters are panicking and they attempt a resurrection spell which is forbidden, but after he's revived, he immediately tries to kill Gillian again how sally kills them. With a frying pan and

I bury him in the family garden and, of course, he starts to haunt the home, of course. So the ants leave after putting a protection spell and sally's daughters and instructions that they clean up their own mess. Things get even more complicated when an investigator named Gary he shows up looking into Jimmy's death. He is heard rumours about the sisters witchcraft around on which they don't really deny when he asked them about it. He starts to suspect sally is behind Jimmy's disappearance of chilean and sallies daughters. Make a potion to banish him. However, they realise that gary is the person from sallies. True love spell the one she cast in the beginning of the movie, so Oh, they get rid of the potion. Sally realises she's in love with Gary, then jimmy spirit possesses Gillian. Before moving on to possess scare,

epic gary's wearing a badge, and he talked all about like believing in the symbols of things, so Jimmy is temporarily exiled. So at this point we see stallion gay actually connecting. There is a kiss there's a moment of passion, and then it's here that salary reveals to Gary that their feelings are probably over. out of a spell, but gary disagree saying that the curse is our only real if you believe they are, but after he sees all the possessing an upheaval, he goes back to arizona conflicted, of course, but we see that Jimmy isn't done. He was a girl possesses julian tries to kill sally. There aren't return and agree to perform an exorcism, because you know they had a feeling they knew so little is happening and sally decides to embrace her magic to save our sister she calls on some of the town's women to form a coven to help who, all, by the way, worse, shaming her and her sister and one of them the phone tree that was so good, the laundry so but then they're like you, know, school. Let's do this

and when she sees their efforts, might kill Jillian Sally and the women repeat, the oath, Sally and Gillian made years earlier and forced jimmy out ending the curse. My blood, your blood, our blood, remember the Annie and gay returns to Sally and the movie and with a the sinister celebrating all hallows, even and you welcomed and accepted by the community. Of course, they jump off. The roof is flying with umbrellas tourism. Freleigh thing well, there's also brooms, I feel, but there are no use of rooms. No, no I use them, but I bear there and their dress like over the top witches, and also that had been a rumour that people had about them all the time, but rather jumped off the roof and flew so yes, So that's the plot, but there is clearly a lot of themes we got to go over. However. First first, we must take a quick break forward more sponsor

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You got a little embarrassed by this, but I watched this quite late. The first time- and I teared up at this- see I got emotional at all. These women showed up and they're. Like you know, I've had a bad boyfriend, couldn't get rid of them I'll be here for you like they all came to help her and that's all Sally had to say is like yep, I'm a witch, but my sister has being abused like she is this man, she can't get rid of them and they all These women who yeah it's been a lot of the movie, making fun of them and ridiculing them, and they show up, they show up and they do help and they share power, and it was very, I thought it was very moving and, and then love is clearly. The heart of this movie, but not just romantic love, although that is a big part of it, but the love between sisters and aunts and daughters. This familial war between women

women supporting women. I mean sisters, promise they're going to die together, they're going to die as all babies together and that's what saves Julian in the end is that bond an economy that is going to happen, and then here we go with the margarita I big as a whole potion saying, because you see them cartier spell essentially, which happens in the murder, investigation and the aunt and the sisters take a moment to dance and drink and chanted my readers, which is a nice little break, the pain and the trauma, and I did love the fibers, also brought out aloud truths yeah. I am yeah. Well, that's one of those things tears are okay. First of all, I I did the research. I should stop doing this, but I did the research for this movie before I watched it, and everyone mentioned the margarita scene and I was like what is this scene like it's in every article and if you don't know

It's like they wake up the sisters, wake up and they're like midnight, and then, all kind of dancing around and that cocoanut song is playing and then yeah they they kind of college. Others names at the table in that way, where you can do that with someone who's related to you are someone you care about and love, but you won't stand for someone else to do that, and you see that throughout the movie too, which is is really beautiful. It is, by the way, is ended with Jimmy's. As of abuse of shadow ruins. It this whole moment that they had with among Rita and it's impossible kind of a supporting catharsis among the women.

and, like we were saying that it does have, they are able to call each other out. Let each other know hey. This is what you're doing this is how you're looking but at the same time, outta love yeah, and it's it's so sad because they were doing this as a healing moment and then still that presents of this abusive man ruins it right, which is the theme that comes back a lot, we'll talk about that too, and there's also this whole thread throughout A woman's love condemning a man to death. Is it better to have loved lost the danger loving someone whether that is loss or heartbreak or abuse. We kind of see all of these prisons of how love can hurt and what can happen, and there are criticisms that still paints falling in love with a man as the most important thing.

I mean I watching it. I think that might have been perhaps the intended point, but that's not what I saw. I saw the sisters of the most important thing and that dude I was just kind of like go away. I'm more interested in he does his seemed to be an afterthought. To be fair, he does a lot of the male characters to and then, if you look at sally, blaming the curse or oliver misery and really seeing how lucky she is to have all the women in her life. At least. She gets to that point. Definitely, but also who many point now but she's for really low bar for the perfect ban in the beginning. This is like must fit flip pancakes. and have a blue eye and agreed. I think they think they are.

And maybe maybe the message is a lot of women do or if that's what you think, because she was eleven or so when she cast. That spell so, you know what are you going to say and the fact that the ants try to get her to fall in love is just something a lot of women who have at some point in their life, been single at a family event can relate And you know just as idea that you can have happily ever after with our man and without romantic love as well as a woman. We see that with the answer. I love all the takes on their relationship that I read, but you know that that message is still pretty there that you. What you want is to follow up with a man brain we obviously or sometimes the fact that sometimes falling in love with a man is too hard and just let it be cadman character,

They talked about Jimmy as the ultimate bad boyfriend, abusive situation, even after his death. He lingers unwilling to let her go. Just light trauma and buy them Of course, this was a really big bad dude. He wasn't just abusive. He was actually a murder. Yeah yeah sounds like a serial killer, so there's that under the depiction of abuse and the Why don't you just leave and the danger of leaving preventing from moving on- and I did like jobs like this- does make me angry, because it does put women at fault. When it's self defense and every single bottle situation, he was trying to kill people so the only way they could stop him. He was about a brand her and took her to death and they poisoned them to let make him leave her alone and then, when he came back to life and she's smacking them with the skillet. I see it all that self defense, obviously but everybody's like as as others like I've, martyrs and one, and yet that's not really true. Is it whenever many other men are depicted in varying degrees of danger, they cause to women. Obviously weather is there.

It'd be told on or whether it's going to be martyr yeah, you know yeah and I do think it was a pretty eye again. I'm not sure if this was intentional, but I thought it was a pretty good depiction of like trauma and abuse and and the danger of leaving, because that's when he tried to killer and and how it just lingers in it some days it's better than others, and I thought that was pretty pretty compelling, and another theme of this, of course, is the strength of independent women and the ants are ridiculed for being middle of middle aged and unmarried, and we do see like the women's power being dismissed as something that ostracized them or is more of a hindrance than anything else. Like sally saying, you know

I have all these powers, but I'm not going to use them and but it's so refreshing to see the ansys be totally uncaring of what people think of them. I know one of them in the beginning. She says normal is not necessarily a virtue, but rather denotes a lack of courage and then, at the end, when all of the women from the phone tree show up to help chilean one of the aunt says, there's a little witch in all of us. I suggest these, you know a strong, independent women, not I I loved it. I loved it. Whatever and then yeah. Just this whole theme of like

Trauma- and I know that like right away, you think of Jillian, because she went through this abusive relationship, but also for sally because she lost her. Husband was like grief process of that and the exhaustion of all of that, and how healing isn't a direct path? Then it goes in different ways and seeing this family support each other through that was really lovely. He watched it a lot. I watched it three times. I say this is a lot like caroline from so an lady like this one of her favorite movies do and unlike this is so unlike her that I wanted to shoot, but she loves this movie, and we've talked about that before too yeah yeah I mean I can totally see why so many people find like comfort in it, and I read so many lovely stories from people.

We're like. Why did they love this now say you know just every time that I feel it makes me feel good to see these women putting other went first and supporting other women. And I'm getting on american margarita midnight ever done. They watch it at the same time that tradition. That way. I gotta marguerite, or are they always this? The marguerite saint I paused and I gotta let it was love yeah. So I I'm definitely gonna That's my owin watch list, which is already here something over now. Let's give it and talk about, though, which is of east wick, and I want to start right off the bat of the amazon prime definition. So again I've never seen it may be. I really don't know what it was about. Click on the amazon prime page, here's the description, the witches in quotes,

our three modern day women. Looking for MR right in a quaint new england, town full of mr up texts- and I was like what is more. What is the man that gotten me? I think at sixteen. I was like oh you're in for a doozy. cause? I I I know I said it in our heathers episode that jack Nicholson really freaks me out and he unsettles me and like he, oh, oh pete, jack Nicholson and, and I felt bad because the first time I saw him I was like oof not good luck in his hair. What was going on with his hair purposeful? Well, you did on settlements a good job.

And I did want to just throw in here. One of the first things I noticed was that the three main women you have the redhead, the blonde brunette and then the babies at the end are the same yet yeah and so by the way, there's a couple of columns that speak to that. But the fact that yes, there are all these differentiations, but also they're, all very similar to they're. Almost the same and and and except for the hair colors yeah, so this movie was action by the famed australian director george Miller, who also did Matt max and apparently did babe in several other, threatened, we're, ok and according to run tomatoes, the critic still like it and is still holds up. well not as well as practical magic. Obviously doesn't critics don't like practical magic has felt like a twenty percent as well, but this was pushed as a dark comedy with a heavy tone of the plight of women versus men. This is a john Updike book,

and was a pretty big film. There are many different opinion on this movie. Many different, though most were very excited by the star study cast. One review stated written twenty nineteen by the way Which is well over thirty years after the initial release, dykes, long dead, it. Dull misogynistic tract is transformed into an entertaining generally most dangerous film. So, okay, the wow, alright. Well as far as the plot of this movie is ninety seven movie, based on the book features as it's all sarcastic. As of cher susan sarandon, michelle pfeiffer, Jack Nicholson, If we see these three madness friends coming together in a small town of eastwick, you've got Alexander Alexandra, Alex the Burnett share and who is an artist and a single mother of the

teenage girl. You ve got Jane the redhead played by susan strand in who is recently divorced, music teacher and suki. The blonde, who is a local journalists played by Michel pfeiffer, also divorce with five children. Yes, after getting together, which they have, I guess a girl's night for martinis, be they definitely had the whole thing keys was. all of our eu areas in which they talk about how they are so unsatisfied without being with not having a man or at least that ideas of the perfect men and then actually do continue to debate about why they always hawk about men when they go together, and about how their decides by living in a quiet, boring tao, flashed to that day and they get the news of a mystery man coming into the small town and, of course, our mystery man named Darrell van horn played by the very on brand jack nicholls

who comes into town by the local, historic landmark little linux, mansion and, however, The mere mention of his name before you actually meet him. Not only makes you clutch your pearls, but they completely fall off literally causing a horrendous accident to befall the community religious woman fully who was not too pleased to hear of the new president and though she was seen as overbearing and shrill was, was right about the federal devil was coming into town How is like? Well what is her deal? Not because I thought she was right. I just was confused and also I can't remember name, but she plays she's an alien she plays, though he has freaks out an alien as well. Her name is Veronica cartwright, oh yeah, yeah, Veronica, curry, yeah yeah. She was not happy about what is going on and on her huh.

by the way is better jenkins. Who was in cabin in the woods, sir Ok. At this point we see the awakening of the ladys powers as they make things happen, such as a lovely game of angry. Levitating tennis. I know, if you haven't seen, it is probably, is weird as you imagine, as they start accepting enjoying. New realized powers. The women are continuing relationship sharing in a relationship where they share the very horny devil, which is a line from the movie yeah that will come back to often my oh, my guys, but the movie takes a dark turn, as the town starts to whisper of all the bad things happening at the linux mansion and the three women

so much so that it is in the local newspaper, thanks to yes, this religious woman, felicia felicia, who seems to be cursed with visions of darrell's evil plot and becomes a target because of this and begins to throw. She starts to vomit cherry pits, and this is all happening like it's inner spurs with this scene, where we see the three women eating cherries and start are talking about her and how they wish she would go away, and so it's implied that they are doing this without realizing it to felicia and and as she continues to just really spew these cherry pits everywhere. I was talking about her visions. Her husband kills her with a fire poker, then sits down and sort of like well. At that time, calling nights was a very odd scene, and

and at this point that sukhi realises they had something to do with felicia's death and after an argument that causes by the way the earth below them. but their stating on to crack. They all run away and stay away from each other and they're which, by the way, he isn't that take Well after much effort in trying to win back, decided a pitcher fit which meant causing each one is worse, the fear to come including jane growing old, Alex having sticky crawley creature, things on her in the middle of the night and sookie dying, a violent death. And as a lad. Ladys gather around poor sukhi because she is suffering at this point, the hospital they realize their discuss either there all pregnant with their own children, europe. So With this, this knowledge and secure life at risk Alex goes to meet up with their all to strike a deal to go back to the way things were.

for all of them as one big happy family. All of them get healed up their aid to go. They come together for a celebratory night and the falling morning, the ladys sendero out for bagels and ice cream sounds lovely, but I've been earth today are all the ladys come together to curse them out of their lives. They make a good old fashioned beauty, all the cast him I'll, which did have some very excellent. Eighty special effects and that all secrets does- and they all come together with their newborn sons and the rest of the family to live at the lenox mansion together. The aunt or is it or is it? I think so so there's a lot to unpack here, but first we're going to pause for one more quick break for word from our sponsor

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yes, sir, we definitely wine and had on some themes and we're not getting in too many things with this one, because a there's a lot of lake back and forth in conversation of what is it? Is it pro or anti semitism first and foremost, and also it was during the eighties liberal. Feminism are equally important and as a right before the third wave, so kind of in this me in their level of women is also is kind of like ok. So what is this actually trying to say a fuck. One of the things that we did want to talk about is, of course, motherhood and singleness, which is very much hit on, and it's not necessarily that something goes hand in hand. We don't usually see that as a big conversation as much as like. Oh you know she needs to be a mother. She wants to be a mother or blah blah blah, but so much more that they are single mothers. Typically,

and are okay, and in this movie we see heavy emphasis on that as single parents and but a little differently for jane. Specifically, it's that she has an inability to have children and and there's a cut up like a breakdown of her struggle right, yeah, and and not only do we witness the women struggling to find their footing in being a single parent or not, but we see that their desires to not be defined by it. It's almost as if the children are merely theirs. Decoration is clearly implied that, like six years, husband left them left her because she had five kids, which also so did you buddy. But anyway, I don't even know about their relationship, as has just mentioned, and I'm getting mad, but things like he does it to adele. I won places like hey you don't really when a relationship with because I will get pregnant like he just says that there she does and it's not ever

super clear where the children are, the ladys are or partying which dean I should have ladies night out by. I remember thinking it several times. Is that, unlike who is watching these kids, you know that gives you show up here and there, but Suki does make it look easy to do. These things should clearly stressed entire to my point, yeah. We already see that side of money- and then yeah you. You have on top of that darrell's devious goal of impregnating all the women with sons which he did

yeah and whatever that point is, and by the way, felicia predicts that, at the beginning of the movie that he's coming to make sons, and so whatever that might be, that he need to extend himself into the world and that's a whole other conversation button, because the women get rid of him. They become single parents together, it's kind of like an okay. This is an interesting so to think I was trying to think and I stopped paying attention to it, and I should have but I'm not sure this movie passes the bechdel test. It doesn't it someone stated it does was pretty sure I was like always talking about dudes. I'm like I don't actually know what the bechdel test us, but I realize I didn't hear all the time, but I've never actually looked it up. It's. It was kind of a joke, so I mean, even if a movie doesn't pass, doesn't necessarily mean

It said aunt, I women or whatever, but its. They asked me more than one female character. They had to talk to each other, not about men as our priority. Ok, so why should it not that one thing for educating me by, I know so, according to one article, it said it did not pass the backdoor tat. It was a conversation, but another theme with this is sexuality and power and again not necessarily sustained. But we see here that the women grow grow more powerful as a explore embrace their sexuality. Now, is it because of their sexuality, their powerful, or is that their sexuality building, building up their confidence? Those kind of that hands, which is what I will say the latter? But that's just me as they continue to grow even after the destruction of the devilish they're, all they still continue to grow in the power. So as one article states of the women quote, it is refreshing to see them discussing their arrived desires and experiencing sexual pleasure, which is evident at the beginning of the movie and towards the end. They kind of continue continue to grow

it's not necessarily because of sex and because they're enjoying that, but they're, just confident as women that maybe they're growing in their power rights. However, all this is quickly turned on them, as they are slut shamed by the town and community. The movie pushes the everything lingering theme of women, sex and shame, but in a narrative tat pushes the viewer pushes it to the beer to see the ladys as victims of a very bullying, stuffy town. So your meant as the viewer to side with the women against a slut, shaming right down of course, we can talk about sex, empower and movie without talking about their all himself, even though most the characters talked about the fact he wasn't handsome, and he s website gives him that dress.

I was like hell, yeah girl, and then she had sex with him, and I was like should I feel mad at her like if she wants to have sex, do it, but I was still like yes, tear them down seems like you're the ugliest they are so stupid. Like this, ah but anyway yeah name is even more like so much about is ridiculed, but apparently he had appeal. People were in doing. There was something about, as an elderly shop woman's head. I found myself thinking thoughts. I haven't thought since world war, two, I actually blushed yeah. It was kind of like uh huh, and this is before we actually introduced to him, even though we know who he is. Obviously it's a famous movie and and and he is as the article titled- the devil is a boy stays is the kind of guy who takes a gender study courses just to hit on women a squeezy, alt bro who uses this.

It was welcomed as above for disarming sexual conquests, which I thought was perfect, that yeah column was faint ass. They are- and we see him play this out in this respect- of all three women, whether it is condescendingly using it to bed the women or to make them feel inferior. He uses every tactic to prove his masculinity in confidence with his fake. I, with them in a sea areas, starts with Alexandra being like all women are the best. I wish I was alone, but then so much better men treat them terribly. Merit is bad for women and by the andes in the church like, god, made women potter's exactly if we do see this flip? When he's when either decade in the history of that they deserted like, and I mean as women, are we ve all been there? I liked the rejects it. We ve talked about this any plots to torture and punish them for hurting his pride and then yeah that than monologue at the church. Where he's a

that is, their creation was a mistake. He curses existence. And, as Margaret atwood commented about the book, what a culture has to say about witchcraft, whether in jest or in earnest, has a lot to do with it's views of sexuality and power, and especially with the apportioning of powers between the sexes. Right, I mean it's just kind of like oh it's flipped. Now this is bad as where sexuality for women was good. Now that, him as bad and write off, and only this whole level and as we see in many a witch conversations lilies the big big thing and though the same is obvious and the actual purpose, and when there is a statement for the pros of women's sexuality or more of a side. I toward the level of toxic male sexuality, but, as I say, Markel says, is not so much about trying to understand as much as it is quote, a very real examination of toxic masculinity in sexual power dynamics, couched deliciously within a cold

ambiguity, that was one thing I was. I wait they weren't like, which is. I wish I was used to seeing and movies right by the way they never claimed themselves which is re, never claim them. Sir. I ovens, yeah interesting. and then another theme again is sister hadn't, female friendship, but like practical magic and many of these, which, in a movies we ve talked about friendship and sisterhood, is heavily placed within this movie, though a small level of competition did exist, we see the ladys pull through each other defeat, their horny demon that darrow manhole. But you know what, unfortunately, as of Malta, article stated in a more pessimistic view whether it was intended, It is also a movie that illustrates that, for various reasons, even smart, strong women, sometimes can not immediately summoned the hocus pocus they want or need

to make a guy like that disappear, which is sad but also true, and that is how it ends is. He comes back here to today children, even though I turn the tv off? You know that after her, but these are really gone may I mean they were having a discussion about like missing amman. Do you want him back I don't know. I think it might just be my jack nicholson thing, but I was so like just get rid of this you're not supposed to like him. Everything about everything risks yeah and is yeah, and that really resonate with me that article you mention where they describe. I can sort of pick up vibe and seeing him do it with each of them in different ways that he know it will work are what will be most likely to work and work. You know again, if they're having sex, they enjoy them scenting adult sex. They enjoy go for it.

okay, ugh he's the worst is an interesting yeah and then, like you said it doesn't pass the bechdel test, and so it was kind of like huh. So was the circuit it was insulting movie or what was george miller and, of course, gen. John Updike has gotten a pretty bad reputation as of late and his stance and his representation of women in general. So the question is: what was the point of this movie? I just enjoyed it come on shares Susan sarandon and michelle pfeiffer. What did you think about this movie? Yeah? Well, you've got of my very heated accede text messages. It was definitely not at all what I thought it was going to be, and I think, coming from

I more modern, since I'm watching it kind of out of its time. I enjoyed it, but I was confused as to its like messaging and but it actually made me ask myself some questions about why I was responding the way I was responding again like when I was so mad at cher for getting with them, and I was like, but you know, she'd just been saying she wanted to have sex like it doesn't have to be more than that. If right, you know, so I did a maybe examine some things that I I definitely think both of these are worth watching and as a feminist and it'll make you think about some interesting it's greg. It definitely has a lot of like what just happened: okay, okay, okay, okay, yeah,

yeah. I guess so. I I actually recommend both of em. If you see them, I did prefer practical magic, but I think they are both worth watching and the average is these it's fascinating to to see these themes of of womanhood and sister headed. movies, about which is an clearly you know, still a humming that goes without saying, but they're not perfect films. By any stretch, they are mostly white and there is a lot of heterosexual. Just like normative normativity imposed on. Like I kept thinking, I would have been great in practical magic, one of them

and by lesbian, or something like that man girth forget, I'm not worried about re re, so there is bad, but I I do you recommend them. Yes, they get our thumbs up the s and then send us all of your thoughts on them. I would love, I would ve stopped More discussion around both of these movies, you can email us at stuff, media, mom stuff at I heart media dot com. You can find us on instagram at stuff. I've never told you or on twitter at mom's of podcast thanks as always to our super producer, Andrew howard thing and thanks to you for listening, whenever told whose production of I hurt radio for more podcasts custom, I hurt radio visit the I hurried app apple pie cast a reverie, listen to favour chose the.

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