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Stop they don't want you to know a production of. I hope we hello welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. My name is no Dave called me bad and we were joined, as always with our super producer. Paul mission control deck and, most importantly, you are you you are here, and that makes this the stuff. They don't want you to know suspected serial killer. Benjamin Franklin famously wrote in this world. Nothing is certain, except for death and taxes and its aid such an interesting thought exercise. To imagine what he or truly Anybody from the seventeen hundreds would think The modern day lake in Benjy Francs example. I

Firstly, think the guy would love twitter and probably tender to probably like things even more specific than tender I reminded gone grinder occasionally. You know, I think legacy is an equal opportunity. Romantic. I can imagine adding an addendum just for the purposes of this episode to be like a glass jars, exactly yeah it's because it's easy for us to imagine what someone from the seventeen hundreds would. and impressive. In the modern day you know things like airplanes or electric lights or space shuttles, or the fact that some people can survive diseases that used to be a death sentence, but it's also easy to forget the commonplace stuff that would absolutely lake destroy their brain for a few days and one of those big things is plastic. We live in the age of plastic.

It's all around us if he was confronted with this Ben Franklin, might have to revise that potent say nothing certain other than death taxes, and I guess plastic now- We did it episode on a real conspiracy surrounding recycling and it's about micro plastics. he's check it out. That's where you learn a lot of the basics of plastics history and its composition, but there's still a tiny stuff. I want you to know about plastic, billions of tides actually and today, taking a slightly more meditative approach and were asking a question that many of our fellow conspiracy, realistic, probably thought about which is this: what would the world be like without this stuff? Could we, as a global civilization, ever turn back the clock and live in a world without plastic? Then perhaps, is it something that we would actually want

to do. While here are the facts, sir, we got a lotta numbers here, but we're gonna try to make sure they are not the kind of numbers that make your eyes glaze over. Yes, because plastic is Slowly everywhere I mean just look around your work space or your bedroom, or your house anywhere I mean in front of my eyes is like a ring light that sub made of plastic. The lens part that the life filters through this webcam that were our broadcasting into made of plastic. now all of the pieces that make up the case of my monitor any of our monitors plastic inside the guts of the thing. So many plastics, the printed circuit boards that electronics are mounted on made of plastic or various. You know types of plastic there there there, obviously several categories with fat.

Is. It is absolutely everywhere and it's an incredible miracle. At innovation, its light waves, it's easier manufacturing can shape and just about anything and sturdy, then you point out that its up there with say the wheel or you know the basic tools that we use. Our things like open ie or a lever in our important innovations that allowed us to kind of step outside of our limitations as human beings. I wanted of the six basic tools real fast off the top of my head. looking at the list. Error. Hammers one bottle Gunnar scowl remember to mean an instant part. Opener ice ice pick or some sort of stabbing tool. I imagine raised

think we're tie. I didn't, I know we're not talking about those things are being jerky. Sorry, I think, is what don't. Nepal is only ever apologize for good, Joe, no joke left behind Hashtag tweeted AIDS. It's true that it's easy for us to underestimate the profound impact of plastic in all its various forms and genres. I mean, I don't think some people disagree with me, but I dont think its exaggerating to say that, in terms of importance to civilization, both positive and negative plastic might be up. There were fire, it might be up there with the time somebody figured out how to

We find it also begs the question: lay all all things that were describing all of these things and I'm looking about my room and an rattling off. Are these things that we necessarily need em. If you look back tell you know: bake lights, the earliest version of plastic. It was kind of designed to make sorted, chancy crap, that we could be sold and convinced that we needed it. It is very much a product of likely material age the other materialistic age that we need to acquire all this stuff, and certainly the idea of computers and the plastics that are used in things like a monitoring you'd, be a surly, be hard pressed to turn back the clock and live without those things. But you know when you talking the basic, simple machines, things like a screw or a wedge, you now or a plane or a pulley or whatever. These are, I think, much more necessary than plastic, but we can't really put that Genie back in the bottle. Now, king, because were used to it

yeah now like it, it's probably not going to happen, and that is the most optimistic way. I can phrase that response, unfortunately, the the most solid reports right now s made that there is a little north of eight point: three billions of tons of plastic on the planet. Of that eight point, three billion six point: three billions of those tonnes are straight a trash. garbage no one's gonna use it. No one's can recycle it. No one's gonna burn it. This year, just to give you the imaging your mind folks. This is the equivalent of like fifty five million jumbo jets and, if that, if that, doesn't really bring it home, pull up a picture of Mount Everest and realise that every stacked, all this plastic up in one place, you would easily get a pile literally bigger

then, the tallest mountain in human experience. It is already the same amount of trash. Just on that actual mountain itself from all that would be, you know, their Everest Some letters sent out there like leaving all their their droppings behind its debts, become a real problem. I get an image of that movie Wally without that Mountains that exists on the planet. At that point in the future. That's what I'm saying three of us recently went to a friend of ours, art studio that happens to be situated right next. What is supposedly a risk heckling dump, I guess for lack of a better term, and yet it never seems to get smaller. And there's a reason for that is in their yeah. There is the numbers that we just named if they're, not troubling earthly things you ve heard before, and it's easy to shake off the think of it. This way, this time, five years from now that my

well be referred to as the good old days when a win win. Only ninety percent of the trash in the world's oceans was some form of plastic right now, as we speak every second, a hundred and sixty three didn't plastic bags or getting used by someone somewhere? That means that each year, every single calendar year, five trillion plastic bags. New ones are made, and this means this leads experts to project that pounds for pound by twenty. Fifty the weight of the plastic in the oceans alone will outweigh the mass of all the fish, not hyperbole. the literally all of the fish Del way less than the trash wow an that's. Particularly puzzling, to my mind, when you imagine plan D, weight of a plastic bag but think about that is picture american beauty. You know that

that lighter than air plastic bags wafting through the breeze you now and One of the reasons that plastic bags- I think most people, know the plastic bags or not recyclable. It is because, in order to recycle the thing they have to weigh enough for you to actually but the kind of chopped them up and a little bits- and can you imagine trying to chase, around gazillion plastic bags and some sort of centrifuge like edges wooden, wouldn't work? So plastic bags are like the least recyclable and most popular plastic item. Maybe that's not exactly accurate. That certainly feel that gets up there. It's very troubling with those numbers you now, especially considering how light they are yet, let's

twist the knife a little bit. You know a kind of Chelonians folks, that's the optimistic projection that twenty fifty, what the really saying is by twenty fifty eight could happen sooner than that, and it is a shame that environmental concerns have been sort of politicized or they ve been appropriated for different peoples agendas, whatever those agendas may be. But if you look at the numbers which no no ideology, then should be concerned. This growth is part of an accelerating pattern in nineteen. Fifty, the world the whole surveying made about two million tonnes of plastic per year and since then annual production has increased. two hundred times two hundred ex, so just in twenty fifteen, for example the world making not two million times, but three hundred and eighty one million tonnes just for compare

and three hundred and eighty one million tons is about the same weight as two slash three of the entire human population. What I was going to ask I mean, obviously in part this: this has to be a product of population growth, but not that degree. How do you go from two million tonnes a year to three hundred and eighty million tonnes a year, even given an explosion in population? That seems to me that it means The production and usage of plastic has gone completely unchecked and no one's really thinking about the future. At all the edges. For a long time. They were injured, works so well. For so many things I will will explore this too. We each should go without saying, but we have pointed out. The plastic game is not distributed equally. The biggest producers of plastic plastic waste at least are the wealthy countries just because it because of consumer culture. Because of

economic booms. I mean if you look at the: U S and twenty twenty one and so an agency, the EPA reports that Americans generally thirty five point: seven million tonnes of plastic in one year and as you pointed out, the Micro plastics episode, the show that nowadays, plastic particles might be inside your body before your board think they might go through your mother and across the barrier and get into while you're in the womb, what long term effects will have people are too sure, as the scary part and before TAT, like we're dumping on plastic. Yes, it's, like any other tech, ology at least until the day we get to a I plastic. as no moral compass. It's just like a guy. It's just like a bob. It two very different examples:

He can do wonderful and terrible things depending on how it used I've definitely pictured somebody using a Bob had as a bludgeoning device, yet its proud of a menacing toy? Actually, if you think about it, it could be psychological warfare. I think some of those toys when they to get really into one can probably do things to their parents. caretakers mines, but this is okay, so think of it analogy Tom we think of this plan. In a way is a lot like advertising. You are, most certain to be unaware of how much of its rounds you, how much you touch on a daily basis. How much you just see passing by how much you encounter and if you wanna be incredibly depressed or profoundly impressed or both the same time? Take our old advertising game and apply to plastic wake up start a clock for twenty four hours is so try to count every example of plastic. You see I

don't know about you guys. I want to speak for everyone by him personally, so convinced that this is an impossible task that I you have my word. If you can accurately count all the plastic, you see over a period of twenty four hours right to us, and I will send you a prize I don't it's gonna be fancy, but it might cause. I doubt anyone can actually do this. Will it be made of plastic fat, I was gonna win win this I'm gonna go out your camping, understand my tent for twenty four hours, a tent man waited game, assist a man. You are definitely I may get a decoder ring from minimum coterie guess it's I mean it is really tough. It has one com with advertising and there's you know to be fair. If we,

the pros and cons plastic has helped people accomplish. So many things had saved countless lives in the field of medicine. It helped humans reach space. That would not have happened, but there is also no question. The plastic is universally causing profound harm to just about every thing, Schuman or not on the planet, except for the bank accounts of several very powerful corporations there make out like gangbusters places like Sir the Saudi Arabia Basic Industries Corporation Money hand over fist. You know they're, the largest single manufacturer plastic, but most of the other euro, like the cat, Planet villain types are also went on the gate, DOW Exxon mobile mean all the hits all the good ones. I end We know that it's despite the statement. you see from international organisations and Ngos, and even these companies themselves. We know that

pattern is set to accelerate even further were looking at a Jager of here. This is exponential. Growth, yet is serve. We look at twenty sixteen and we look at the global plastic market size ok, so twenty sixteen. It was five hundred and two billion. U S dollars and then for years later and twenty twenty. It was five hundred and Seventy nine point: seven billion dollars, so that's a nice little jump in the bed, the billions, but here's the deal he this global plastic more It will likely increase to seven hundred, and fifty billion dollars are a little bit more actually by twenty twenty eight and that's insane death. Ah eighth largest India we in the EU, as the world's richest country and

we d round one million people in the: U S alone, wake up and they work on last they're, not bad people at all. It's their job. In fact, there's some of these smartest people around the this argument about what to do. This dilemma is often bogged down. in politics, ideological tribalism- and you know you may have somebody's war, and the conservative side say like these. It's now De Vries but like bodies tree hugging hippies are choosing you know, obscure amphibians, over actual human beings who need this job to survive, but that's so misleading when it comes to plastics civilization, us making a show you listening Everybody is any crabs in a bucket scenario. I mean this is the same species. They can't stop killing itself over things like religion or reed.

horses or a mean disagreements over the dumbest things like do this species it has gone to war over one guys, ear. Strew stories call the war of Jenkins Ear. You can check it out, I'm ridiculous history, where we find her favor pike ass, always be closing my eye. You get the car yet, but there's no does not really, if you like a realistically as as terrifying, it may be to admit theirs, no plausible chance of this species, cooperating long enough to write the ship of humanity before it sinks irrevocably into the deep waters of extinction? But what? If? What? If somehow people did manage to walk back from the precipice? What would the world actually look like without plastic, where you to pause for a word from our sponsors? They will come back and account some of the plastic stuff. We found a will sooner or later.

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Ask just not even movie rolling the chair anywhere now open air man guys before we get back into this. I just want to make point here. I guess that maybe we! haven't hit enough in this episode yet and it just Finally, let me mention Saudi Arabia Basic Industries Corporation, just that the plastics industry is. extra closely connected to the petroleum industry to gasoline and just how near Are we find ourselves with plastic use? We also find ourselves with oil usage. Unlike what those those the effects that these industries are having, or maybe this one industry is having on the planet, on the human species, just warlike makes her that the back of our minds as we're going throughout the rest of this episode, yeah well said Neil be in

beyond the running your minds at the end of this episode for sure yeah they are, they are Fingers on a hand and with the question we left the break what would happen if the world? What would the world actually look like without plastic? Well, I'm going to put it bluntly: let's just rip off the band aid, also with plastic things would suck they would suck so bad. And so hard, and they would suck for a long long time it would be, There is no way around it. Hard cut off on plastic use. First, it will cripple industries and economies alike. The great depression would be nothing compared to this innovation in countless areas of research,

the crying to a halt and there's obviously good chance. Why that innovation would not take up again for decades or maybe even centuries. That's the level of impact. We're talking think about how much it would affect the price of things. You knows. Plastic is used as a cheap alternative, maybe more durable, long, lasting materials or heavier materials like all of the side panels. You know and dash boards and things in, like you know, affordable mid level. Cars are all made of plastic, everything's housing play it's not till you start getting up into the lake super bespoke kind of higher end cars. The things start to be made out of wood or metal. Do you know it would? Just it would like me so many things not affordable for so many people instantly? Oh yeah, worse, then we might assume. This is one of those things where the stuff, we're gonna say, might be, might sound alarming, but, unfortunately the odds are. We will be vindicated,

training on believers sooner than we'd, like like late late, then think about this. So it's difficult store. To pinpoint the exact moment when a monumental global change occurs, I so for some folks. The way forward is grass roots renovate each one teach one approach of your familiar with the same there are a lot of people in my mind, noble people, but if either minimize their use of plastic or cut it from their lives almost entirely. That is definitely a herculean effort, but it also at the same time, point out. One of the biggest problems with addressing the global plastic, a dick- clast. You don't hear about it and then local news programs, because as fringes, it made sense for me to point this out. There is some things that you know: mainstream news media is is totally fine, not mentioning

These conversations and class is one of those is one of the number one complicating factors in a war on plastic. Any attempt to argue otherwise is either incorrect or it is purposely misleading, imagine it reminds me of the take the situation of the Bric Countries right, the Brazil's Russia's India's China's there as emergent superpowers in the case of China, for like a century. China, like any other place on the planet, suffered long term consequences of plastic pollution from other countries, and it was a side effect of, enormous economic boons for these countries. So if you look at it very simple in real terms, China was paying the price for this progress, receiving no benefits from it. There's a similar argument with where you could call the climate change convention scores,

Liberation is dope, and countries like China definitely have a valid argument when they point out that industrialized nations reaped the benefits from things like coal. So why should they be able to do the same? That's not fair, and then I would tend to agree with that on paper, at least from their perspective. You now, but it's also a sort of a do, as I say not as I do approach, and I think that always Vienna leaves a bad taste in countries mouths. So you know China's argument as they should have access to the same strategy. Also putting politics aside just objectively. This approach restricts their access to further economic success, it not even to say they don't care about pollution or their completely callous about these things, which is kind of like a you know. Well, we view you. No other countries

I have laid the groundwork to where we are now and if it has been a little more responsible about it- and maybe we wouldn't be in this position with yeah, it's a little less freestyle, imperfect analogy. Ok, let's say: let's see there a marathon and the people who ran the race and got first place did actually run. They had a car and they drove, to the finish line is a we won, like all we want to also be winners, is ok, but you can drive a car right in and an egg, but if you get a better time that us will say one issues we used a car. That's like that argument is valid from their perspective, is to think about that and then, if you take it back to the individual, to like microscopic micro plastic level, being able to live a life like this without interacting with plastic, requires certain amount of privilege in Indonesia who it? Certainly when people

like why. Why do actors in blockbuster action movies look so in shape? They have a team of people who help move them into that personal trainers, dietician. Probably Airbus, hopefully therapists as well. I didn't like how eating healthy requires privilege in terms of money or time you have to be able to pay someone for that stuff. You have to pay a premium for healthy food where you have to have the time to figure out and how to prepare it yourself and do it can stately so there is, there is privilege on every single level that impacts conversation, but if we try to stick to our optimism best, we can just as it thought, experiment. Let's give it a go. Let's go there's some unprecedented miracle, which is also simultaneously a disaster literally everybody same day same hour said we're gonna where at least gonna just stop making plastic the at

Let's assume civilization doesn't collapse. What would happen first, the environment would love us. You know the smoky. The bears the Ranger Rick's, the M, I think in the UK it's a frog we'll the bear, but all the animals that you can think of their lives. You get better life for oil companies would go down the two it be terrible because, as you point out, plastic is a petroleum products. In fact big oil. If you I just you that name to group all these producers together, they're well aware of the push for alternative power for vehicles. You know they knew that Ford was making an electric F one hundred and fifty weigh before the public, and they know all this stuff. They hang out with each other so their idea is that plastic will become plastic. Use will accelerate such that that replaces the money they see themselves losing with straight up

whale and gas, but it's likely that these corporations, if this thing happened, they would use their political influence to kind of phase in a manufacturing ban until they can find a new replacement or series of alternatives that could be made around the same cost. That's the big important thing for them, and without an alternative in place, losing plastic is an existential threat to these companies. great article then came out last year on vocs called big oils hopes or pinned on plastics. It will end well hats off to you, David Roberts, the author of that article, because you know He calls him out a direct, my reading it so so that would happen. And, second, if you listening to this show today, there is a a disturbingly high chance. You would lose your job, even if you have now

thing to do with the plastics industry. So even in the best, case scenario that you know the way, slowly wins itself off of petroleum products as a fuel. This is always gonna, be there fallback earliest. That's the way the business model is set up right. Yes, that's that's the idea. The idea is that, can, as the profits of oil for gas and fuel diminish, then the profits for using that seem petroleum to create plastic rises and the numbers are there: it's not a bad that for them to make from their perspective, is bad for the planet into each leg. for you. If your hearing, this move is essential question, but I mean you know: petroleum is not a completely be no endless resource I mean it's not consider its. It gets a non renewable resource in tat

and well. Well, I mean is keep looking for elsewhere, but there is a gonna come a day or academic to get it out of the ground any more right specially. If we keep Vienna pointed out Willy nilly the way we are that's. Why stuff, like a nationalist shale an fracturing enjoyed a renaissance of sorts, because the cost of oil hit a threshold where was profitable to try to pull it out of the ground. That way and that's what it all goes down to. As does sillies sounds it extended money. So yet massive rise in unemployment. Unfortunately, a given, because these folks who would lose their jobs will have to be working in the plastics industry. They have to be working on something that needs plastics somewhere at any point in their job. So for a lot of people, that's gonna be bad news. Third, there would be this huge waste management programme be on a scale. That's something AIDS never existed.

for staying your laying pyramids of visa. There's a new, impressive human initiative in town because make managing to stop making new plastic is not enough. The plastic that's already here that is killing people. Recycling would have to skyrocket the oh. I see about this re realized. I need to clean my room. Imagine having a clean all the world's oceans and the glaciers and Mount Everest, oh and under the South Pole, because that plastics there to you it s late, there's not a way to clean it all and enforce, and this is something that you do she talked a lot about on the environmental side. Unfortunately, like the people very pro plastic free lifestyles, which again I applaud needle, they tend not to point out that the

worth of immediate consequences, that a lot of people will die and they will die as a direct result of living in a world without plastic, primarily due to plastics prevalence in medical equipment. Very basic stuff, you I mean forget cat scans, we're talking about syringes gloves stuff like that plastic is very sterile, and this means that these some of which have to be single use like syringes and so on. They would become the rarest of poker mine. They would be much more difficult to find them in the beginning and be much more expensive to use them or to buy them. If you could find them imagine a world in which basic medical supplies become like a p s, five in terms of what a hassle it is defined and that means they again yet classes. One of the chief determining factors now of who gets to live and who asked to go People want just Ike is a medical resources. They ll die due to medical

problems caused by the plastic, that is all ready here it accumulated so quickly. We have that contagion Mickey Mouse sorcerer's apprentice moment: humanity, I do not fully understand the long term effects of things that do not use to point this out. All timely bp, ACE write em. What what are their effects on people? Were? The plastics there in food that win heated admit these various harmful substances- and I echoes I'd- is just important. No, it's not all good stuff price. Is for things will explode you'd order. There not o in literally, you will point to any could almost any consumer price can say they dont make em like they used to because they can't sue Lake Independent

If you were someone who had to buy a car, you probably saw that used car prices, spite tremendously that still happening. That's part of the supply chain, but in this case settle applied. Everything choose baby, make up feminine hygiene products. Boats explains the rituals, you name it Why we had to throw the originals nobody, you know just give assent to the scope and for someone for people like us who make a living on line, would be in a really bad spot. In many ways the world would revolve back into life as it was in the eighteen seventies. Electronics are going to be a real pickle, because plastic is great for this stuff. You know what I mean. It's like you said it stuck tiled, Cecily, moulded can do you'd, make really precise stuff with it, and it also non conductive rule for all the rest we ve just laid out here.

Makes a reasonable person. Imagine I would argue well what, if we kept plastic manufacturing for things like cars, for medical For you know the most important things: the technologies in the big heavy, expensive things that don't get replace all the time What if we just start removing from the system, anything that's a single use, plastic item or a pact. Gene or even of the stuff they just gets thrown away and becomes trash almost immediately. What if we just get rid of that we keep the other stuff when we would be ok but does not include the medical stuff that we talked about that so important and well at stuff comes in plastic containers lay pre nobody. you know like a single use, syringe comes in a little plastic thing with a Europe off the top it, and for that away we owed so that that was in innovation too

attacked humans from possibly her ino hurting themselves by causing infections right, because, if you imagine back in the day, This range was a piece of metal and glass right. That was real. Over and over and over again, and if, if you man, Somehow going back to that system, where there's just an emphasis on cleaning the rules thoroughly between every usage, maybe there's a future for kind of stuff, but there so many things pieces to use, has been already pointed out within the meadow industry that it would be, I think, impossible to go back, especially given just a more advanced stuff them. They advanced tools. You would have to continue using plastic for them. all the things I catheter see. Now I mean like so many inessa thing like all of this stuff is required to be able to scale production you know of any type,

You know I mean like if we were still using glass and metal and ceramic at all, that it is much more difficult to scale, because you can't just come out. You know Anna Minimum machine, maybe you can, but it's a lot more costly and you can make quite as many well, it was nice profitable, because it really creating a couple universes nine thousand war, That's what I think that when I hear the word scale are usually think of scaling, something has just made something making as many of a profitable thing as you possibly can for his cheapest possible and that's gonna up. You know: you're profits, like significantly as we know, no pink play there's a line I always think think of from show show, whereas somebody like there's a there. Is this film executives and it's like the green, let this movie about coupons and and it's gonna tank and this executives

where to God. If I have to go from being super rich, just rich, I'm gonna kill myself that this event, like a veto, personifies that thinking you can't go backwards. You can't go backwards. Yeah, like he lay your same Matthew brought about wonderful point people who are whatever side of this argument. Usually ten turned up proposing a phased nuanced approach in that approach typically focuses on disposable or sing, use plastic. Some countries are doing this through market forces like in Bangladesh, plastic bags are banned, they got the gtfo order or in places like parts of Europe in places like China, people are charged for disposable bags in the case of China. That program started in two thousand and eight, and it's already a reduce the amount of plastic bags in the country.

Fifty percent as nothing to sneeze at baby, then California, yeah yeah, California, did. That is well. It's going state by state in the? U S, but the the weird thing is that their definitely some point becomes a conflict of interest for companies because think about it. If you're Sobek, subsidiary thereof in and you go from making trillions of plastic bags to making a smaller number of reusable containers than white. What you're doing essentially leaving money on the table, because every cause Who would have just kept getting bags, whether there a business or an individual? Now they just by once, the and maybe maybe they bye bye, again a few years later as things break down, but that's why? people want a nuance thing and our people and institutions in India

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People who are working on oil rigs and we're not talking about working in plastic bag, factory or people making plastic cutlery for take out and picnics we're talking about the people in the instead. Visions that all those oil rigs the people and the institutions that own those factories they spend a great amount of time and money first accurately predicting this problem. They knew about it and then they spent a spend some time covering it up or trying to spin it to it their advantage in corporate parlance, the phrases getting in front of it. That's what they tried to do that tried to get in front of it and there's a playbook for these situations. It is common across industries and it is so simple and it is so effective. It's just switching out that revenue stream, like Rj Reynolds, we did recently life English strange news segments talked about

It was our J Reynolds right who said they supported the Uk Ban on tobacco ray, and there is even talk of one of the big tobacco manufacturers. Limiting their production of combustion cigarettes, and they wouldn't have done that on day. One heavens, we discovered that cigarettes are bad for the of our citizens. Every shut it down. Boys know they bided their time and played it until they had a viable alternative. They could. Also make tons of money on a gaping. Yes, exactly exactly, We need a hit that point again. They only did this once they they can generate income some other way and they did it with a disposable class thing, but I'm holding my hand right now they gets used.

millions of people. Probably I don't know the exact numbers of people who use these kinds of disposable, gaping things like myself, parlor problem here, but The problem is more saying this particular thing: This one, the jewel and all the others, is becoming a massive plastics problem yeah and this this strategy, this kind of transfers of income strategy. please out across multiple industries it supplied to the world of plastics as well mark our words. Soon as a one to one inexpensive, alternative to plastic is found, it will probably become propriety. Terry and whoever is lucky enough to own the the rights to that material will immediately press their advantage. They will end up in pursuit of profit. Maybe swinging the needle to make the world a better place in sight. Desperation make strange

Had fellows man imagined be one of those environmentalist to his like. Now I have to go to a rally for DOW Chemical banister. Because they're masqueraded out as some like you know, grandstanding like doing some. think about it, knew no stance which is utter whores. You know that we know how long they ve known, they don't actually care, but then they'll, like you now, Spain, bunch of time work shopping, the language around their big pivot, and then there You know, you know trotted out there as some sort of benevolent act of good yeah, we're not saying, I don't think many of us are saying that the people working these companies or even the people at the top are necessarily evil individuals, and I think some of these efforts are in good faith. You know like now

Researchers. Are you a pointed out Coca COLA, a plan to recycle? I can know women came for every. Can they created by twenty thirty, not seems like a good faith that effort, but make no mistake. There is not a for profit company in the world. That would do something like this. If meant it would damage their profits. You know what I mean. There is always a calculation at play here. I think the coaxing was only by twenty. Twenty five they would recycle everything, but then by twenty thirty they would create all of their products with recycled plaster. which is like ok, that's a great idea, sure I didn't Lego say they were going to pivot away from using plastic bags and their packaging. Obviously, not you know away from using plastic in their legos and the Mcdonald's, I think, is going to start using cardboard that has their toys made

puzzles are assembled. Dino do dad's rather than plastic. That's a big drain as well and again, I am not saying that these efforts, I think, are cool and obviously there's some goodwill behind them and PR is obviously pause. I'm sure some one in the company does care and and and thinks it's a good idea. You know big picture, but I am just little jaded. I tend to think these are just kind of like marketing stunts, rather than them actually giving yeah Fortunately, that's they're doing what they were designed to do the same way that fish swim. That's what a that's, why company or for profit corporation exists but eagerly think the if you were to go into the back room of some of these executive officers,

and you were you say, hey you know just between us. What do you think the chances of getting off plastic are really when that what you would find is that yet because not all plastics are created equally there viable alternatives for some by until that economy of scale kicks in the price, is gonna, be a big problem for these companies, so that the secret is the best way to solve this deliver the holy GRAIL. If there were holy grail for this quest not to find an alternative for these various kinds of plastic in there in state, but rather to find an alternative to the oil used to create them in the first place. That's that's the spice in this dune universe and who knows what it is

you know, knowing the hubris of humanity as we do, how messed up would it be if it was water like ok, we figured out somehow through some sigh chemical shenanigans. We figured out a way to make. Basically anything they make a plastic from water asked me freshwater, so people might be thirsty. There are one hundred percent. Do it, though, that's how messed up is that ok. So how important is this? Having control over this? Whatever this thing holy grail, would be, would be the equivalent of becoming the first country or company to wield nuclear. Our, and yet not might sound a little like hyperbolic right, but without being alarm That is the level of impact were talking about and when this thing is discovered that whatever these things are, the world will again be irrevocably changed. If that is the technology goes public and is,

purposely suppressed, shout out to the national invention. Secrecy act check that went out if you wanna be a lot of not fun at parties. That's That's the reality here, while this bickering, this research continues to play out, the clock is ticking and if you would pass the noise, the theatre of domestic politics, those glossy pr presentations and PS ease. The facts are undeniable: if these power systems are not dismantled, if these can sphere, These are not busted. There is a strong possibility that we won't be talking about world without plastic for long we talking instead by world without humans. I don't want to sound preachy, but That'S- that's that's where we're at these companies will have to be incentivize by profit or their hands, forced by

undeniable disaster that affects the wealthy as much as it affects the poor and yeah, I just don't. I I don't know. Where would I dont know? Where would go? It's quite a pickle. It feels like to me, and I am not somebody who knows anything about any of this and can't recommend any of these things. But if you had to increase the price of products over all because of the phasing out of plastics the only way to really solve that thing without the the version. Your time A ban were some other alternative that is like at that same price point would be to raise. All ships by somehow instituting universal. income in some way for every person on the planet to make sure they can afford the absolute necessity and even then I mean there way. to go about that, but they are not very fun. For everyone her head,

people who they're not fund for the people who would have the sufficient power to fight back against it. So Really. Does feel like we're in that dire of a situation at this point while there there is another possibility at right, while plastics are still around Elon Musk just came out in situ did two folks, you wanna go to Mars. They can afford the projected five hundred km one million dollar price tag for the trip. He said why you could just fly to Mars and maybe you work at off once you get their due to join a company town Mars, as indentured servants worth more things change man you'll only oh as much as you know, and above person makes in their lifetime. It's WI fine right. This is so. Will? Will the world be without plastics? Probably not

and a lot, and we pointed this out and really global point this out on last episode a of time, went into trying to convince individual consumers that they were the problem, and we are part of our problem- but the majority of that waste is is not necessarily coming from you. It's like blaming the Prince no just has a job on an oil rig. You know what I mean that person is not big oil, there just doing a job, and so there was and statement we could end on here that comes from raw guire a professor at the bridge school our science management at the university- California, Santa Barbara, he's pretty bleak guys, just it

no before we had it, he says you can't just leave this up to households. They have no chance classic. Producers should share a significant part of the responsibility and this boy I dont, see that happening without policy intervention. So the politicians have to get a wall The corporations have to say yes, if every person, you know why did their level best to separate plastic from their lives, is a serious question about how much of a difference it would actually make snuffing shouldn't. Do it it's just saying: that's not gonna stop the current operation were it it if these are still producing small disposable plastic things. They just sit on shelves at stores, they're going, be thrown away at some point. In the only thing, the only good thing is that if consumers are buying those things and they sent on the chauffeur long enough. The what store. That is won't order more, which means around. Demand from the company to buy more so there it that is around

I mean it's not the most I one necessarily, but it is a route. If you stop the demand, then hopefully they will stop the supply We want to hear what you think folks, you I will be so impracticable- will all be so impressed if there anyone in the audience today who manages to count every piece of plastic in their normal life without cheating Oh, no, no, you don't so tough. If you do the Math magistrate and get away with it, go and attend bully for you, that's, I think, There's the under the hood stuff. You gonna mean you, you know you can get a have assent sense of of how much there is the inside. My monitor, inside my computer inside my guitar amplifier you now inside this many controller in front of me. I mean each seeds does a good job of buttons on each one is made of like a polymer rubber type situation. The chassis is

yeah, but inside now it's gonna be just dozens and dozens of plastic part, but I can't even see me- and I shudder to the scientists who wrote to us our episode on Micro plastics, that was a sobering, an important information but the public is not aware of the depth of this problem, and at this point we don't serve Alize doesn't know what a world with without plastic would look like and how we would get there. What are your thoughts? Can you solve this problem? if so we love to hear from you we want. We want to elevate your message. If there's somebody was days like oh yeah yeah, I figured it out. I know how to fix. It then tell us, this immediately tell the world leaders till the business leaders are, you can start by taking us we try to be easy to find a lie. That's right! You can find this

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