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with our super producer, Paul mission, control deck and thanks for saving the show is always Paul. Most importantly, you argue you are here, and that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know that today we are taking a journey back in time. There s time travelling again as one of my favorite things to do. That's true, that's true, and of course there is the great points that people make. Sometimes it we're all time. Travelers were just moving in this, toward the future. One second per second here have definitely ETA and even clip. Well, you know what this may be so this might be for another episode, better suited to a different line of thinking. But time is you know, there's. No. It's all relative half way as doctors who said The tie me why me stuff you doctor who then I knew a toy thought you against

doctor who that's the first thing I do when someone told me about it, as he did it's it's a great show I have seen several episodes and I'm not like you know who a doctor who head, I don't know who the in Havana here who through ceased Europe. All right, all right. Let us know what doktor, who has called or with the self describe as our time travel today takes us back to the beginning of the United States. Back to a time when it was the odds, were looking pretty dicey for the colonists, the would be Americans right, yeah aid I did to buck the whole system and fight their controllers near there was an old bull move. They went rage against the machine right. So this this is a story that

you and I stumbled on long long. I'm a girl in a different episode and its pray. I don't know about you, may put it surprised me. I gotta me oh yeah, the de the fact that espionage It's back this far and was as complex as were the story. Talk about today. There was astounding to me yeah you. Did you you hit on the word of the day or a word of the day, espionage ripe espionage? Is it hail as old as time or in the case of this country, at least as old as the state as we espionage actually predates the the actual colonial espionage predates the existence of the United States. The sort of stuff heard when the idea of what we now call the? U S was now the more than a weird twinkle in the eyes of various founding fathers and would be

rulers of a new nation, most of us associate the concept of spies and spy craft with works of fiction right. You know like way where it would assume your favorites. Oh gosh, warming. You have to go back, I'll blow. Seven. I think the original released for me, which is where is technically, wouldn't be the seventh one, exactly exactly where you James Bond right, oh yeah, and in characters you find in stories like mission impossible. I remember really cool some of the concepts in there and then, if you go, there's there were some Netflix shows back in the day there were surrounding espionage round world, or to that I found the most fascinating because of the the technology they were dealing with at the time and the stakes of being so

hi as they were. I think that's why I found that most fasting other. I can't tell you the name of the stakes is, it is t a key xray wasn't just aspire shoe featuring like these amazing, revise and Tebow's stacks of tax. Men also spying. I would watch that show yeah. I know what you a kind of What you're thinking about, if not the specific episode the troop, because I really enjoyed the television show the Americans, oh yeah, which have using that gas so that that showed its lauded, often for being I don't know about an entirely realistic depiction, but a pretty good depiction of how deep cover sleeper agents would actually work. So we see spy craft and espionage in all sorts of works of fiction. But we also know that strange, real life,

nations of spying pop up every so often in the new cycle, and usually when they, pop up? They disappear pretty quickly. Yeah, like a diplomat, will get in trouble. Just some unnamed diplomat, and then it goes away right, or a three hikers we'll get we'll get caught crossing the border into IRAN, three American, and then they'll be arrested. His spies, the DP archaic uses, people being spies fairly, often does it ever make you wonder if there are spies caught internally within the United States, but we just never hear anything about it. Oh sure they asked disappear busier like there's the case of Jonathan Pollard, an American who spied for Israel and was and was caught. I think he was sentenced to life

in prison for violating the espionage act. But later I was surprised she didn't have to do that. I think it was after thirty years of incarceration, he was released on November 20th, two thousand and fifteen, so some spies have been exposed and then serve their time or sometime not been old and have been able to continue living their lives, so it is possible to get away with it. Your odds are not very good. They were especially not that great in the revolutionary war because in them Evolutionary war. On the colonial side, your odds and general worked spectacular, no, not at all

so the revolutionary war. We all kind. You know what that is, they call it. I think the war for american independence in other countries, but down here this is the revolutionary war- were very, very self important about it, and I think we ve earned the right to be the seed. Of Democracy had already been planted in the colonies. People were already thinking about becoming an independent country. Well, before one thousand seven hundred and seventy six, the war went from one thousand seven hundred and seventy six to one thousand. Seven hundred and eighty three ended by the Treaty of arrests and when we look back at this war, and the nation created its incredibly important to remember that the government that was put into place- or I guess that existed on paper was seat link- was seen.

Crazy thing. It's the end to be an insane notion. How could you How could you rule without a king? How close the George Washington come to becoming the king crank woollen? A lot has been said that the the presidency itself the way it created was specifically to prevent any one man from becoming king. Because of you know the way. The way the country was set up with, dividing powers up and not calling the president certain things referring to them? In that way, it was. It was an active move to move away from a monarchy right right again, that's

that's the official narrative and we have an old episode on the unofficial narratives that you can check out, but it several years old. Now right, oh yeah, it's back in the day, so they wanted something different. They did not want to practise resource extraction for the benefit of the kingdom across the pond. They did not want. It taxes. They were very much against that and they knew that, due to the huge stretch of the Atlantic Ocean, even the world's most powerful naval force wouldn't be able to to win the war easily. The problem was that even before the war actually broke out, the, U S, forces knew their odds of, say,

says we're dangerously dangerously low and the colonial leaders? Even the really optimistic ones, knew that if they were able to win independence, they would be literally paying for it in blood. And there's an historian David Mccullough, who wrote a book called seventeen. Seventy six, which we would recommend the American suffered, terrible, just horrendous losses, roughly twenty five thousand casualties in all or roughly about one percent of the entire colonial population, which, if you think about that in like equivalent terms today, that would be as though, if there was a modern war within the United States on american soil that cost three million United States citizens lives. That's that's in intense thought and, as Mccullough says,

who had been with Washington in who knew what a close call it was at the beginning thought the outcome. The ultimate outcome of the Revolutionary WAR was a little short of a miracle, the kind of thing that makes you say, for instance, hey I'm, not exactly a spiritual person, but was this coincidence or is this destiny because so much stuff had to go eight modern historians of speculated that if the colonists had caught a number of key breaks, the rebellion might have been crushed. American colleagues would have remained under the rule of King George And the ringleaders would have been executed in her Revient ways. The people probably would have been forced to pay a punitive tax. It would have made the situation increasingly unsustainable, but the war occur and, as you know, in the

Hamilton, musical. That comes up. Whenever we D heard were episode the there was this huge perception that the? U S, forces were out manned and out god I mean it's outgunned out man, and I don't remember the next part- does actually lyric in there. I don't watch song is that by a man right hand, man! I need to listen, it's been almost two years and I think it's rang out, may yeah we'll have to listen to it after this Paul Duenna just play low under the entire wait till we get Syria, sorry, I saw it true that the United Kingdom had certain advantages. It's not

much the number of people they had, but it's the experience those people had and the organization of Discipline that the british soldiers possessed, but in the end it kind of was one of the things that led to their downfall, not necessarily where, because of the user really tactics. Oh that's right. Yes, we ve talked about with words pollyanna warfare versus guerrilla tactics. Yeah, that's a good point met at the height of the war. On the: U S side around Eighty thousand members of the continental Army or militia members were active in service. Oddly enough on the bridge side? There are only about fifty six thousand british soldiers, but they were joined by three thousand german mercenaries known as hessians and

sleepy hollow the Johnny Depp version of it. That's decreased rule, walking, characters a healthy and, at the very beginning, oh wow, that's the headless, horseman blah Well so lets us missing since the beginning of the movie right, you're, saying it's an allegory of some sort, I told her perhaps perhaps has the UN's we're just seen is scary characters due to their the role they played in this war. But the would be Americans which I guess we have to call the colonists at this time, had some so pricing advantages. You have our first, the main one. Is it their fighting in a place that they know they know the terrain? They know at advantageous spots and locations their hot neuron hometown. And they didn't have to mess with any kind of real logistical things with supply chains of especially ones. They would cross a major Ocean Langley Atlantic. The way the British had to do in the Germans

but secondly, they could easily, in theory, replenish their ranks if soldiers died because they could just get some more people there. Now those people wouldn't be friend necessarily or even ready for battle in any way, but you could put bodies on the front lines or whatever lines you required something to put in front of the cannons? Yes, yes, it is you're you're, absolutely right that supply chain problem was huge and supply chains are still a huge problem in modern warfare. Today, yeah logistics of warfare is probably mean that the biggest are important, but if you dont have a good supply chain to not only feed people and get plies and other things that you need to Europe. The human beings that are, they are performing the work of your group a year and then on the colonists cited this time. There's a big question of finance: how how on earth do we pay for

spread, and we just talk about live, show that it is true that is true through the creation of the first, the central bank. Things able to what a creative name, the the there were people who said should we abandon all hope? Is this a Not only horrific endeavour, but ultimately a fruitless one. It was clear that the war would be a close thing, possibly a losing com. Flicked for the Americans with brutal consequences, For anyone who not just for anyone active in the rebellion by anyone who wasn't an active british loyalist, they were they would the population would bear the punishment ripened. This thing didn't succeed. What's unbeknownst to most, the colonists still had a few tricks up their sleeves earlier,

one of the most important aspects of the colonial military. Was this extensive spy network they had been building and were continuing to build it was it was here. Apparatus that, in his own way, became as important as the weapons the cannons that the than the colonists had to fire at somebody because they had people on the inside everywhere? In fact, this intelligence network was so stinking good that, even today, mystery about this time in this network, remain solved. You know that sounds like time for a word from our sponsored. That's exactly what it says. This episode of stuff they want you to know is brought you by life like TAT season is here it can be.

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the things that the Americans did, the heroes of the revolution, times the look over names like agent, seven eleven which is a when they're talking about people like John Bolton, ORB, George, Washington or perhaps Patrick Henry, but they should because as we're gonna as you're gonna, learn here as we learned they as important or integral to the effort, as any of those big names just mentioned right rights, us aging, They didn't, I mean, what's gonna, grab me up and John Bold, indifferent, John, not not the John, whose currently serving in the? U S now correct he's not some ancient centuries old, vampire average on board. We kind of cool. Vampires nervous, that's what I say. So these guys were part of something. Oh yes, sire

I was, I started daydreaming, alter miti style about vampires office. I I am pretty on board with it, but you're right man. They were part of something that a lot of people were unaware of aspiring called the Koper ring, and these people's identities were kept secret until well after the war ended in seventeen. Seventy eight guy named Bench entire homage, a young american officer who was George Washington, new chief of intelligence, organised this topsecret network of spies. Several these people, it's important to know we're just otherwise ordinary citizens, no military exe Ryan's, no political ambitions per se. Some of them, in fact, were probably just the idle rich

oh yeah, who had meetings with specific people re who, on the surface, were british loyalist. You know what I mean an end, probably had british representatives at their house and they talked about how best to keep down the peasants and built absolutely in, and they were so secretive about this- that even why in the guy in charge of everybody, the entire military, the the country is being born here, No, no, I don't even want to know these people are. Do not tell me oh yet it was a huge deal to him that he not know and that as few people know as possible because they didn't want there to be any way that the ring might be compromise so for recruits Tom turns to people that here He knows people who he made friends with in his home town on Long Island cause. How do you trust somebody enough to be a spy like building trust to get someone to be a spy? It's no

snow short order. There there's a work. You gotta put into that your absolute right, Even today there the process to work at the FBI work at the CIA. I involves exhaustive vetting also we to point out that a lot of one of those images of a quote CIA spy get romanticized in fiction. Oftentimes spies going to be a rising of a country that they already live in this country and they just got turned one way or another into an asset. The men there just years an ice. But there are real new. There are real James bonds out there they're just far fewer than you might think yachting. So this guy's looking to build some bonds to build some real spies and he chooses a guy named abraham- would hold to be his his agent service,

And on the ground, but would hold the who was coding Samuel, Colbert Senior soon fell a foul of british counter intelligence because he kept travelling to Manhattan, and they were like what are you doing here? He hurt where's your business. I just really love the park, who's, not what a horrible woodworking, but he is a woodhull- has, has some moves. She's gets a moxie. What's he do well? He He actually recruited relative, who happened to be living with his sister in there in her Manhattan boarding house. This guy was, a dry goods. Merchant, he was also asked. Society reporter and his name was Robert Townsend, but his real name, who ask Samuel: Koper Junior spinal Israel, Spain, it when he was walking around till Junior

senior at this point on other family snuff family, so they need some technology and they want to disguise their activities. They haven't couple different methods and techniques. One of the strangest is that they used a type of invisible ink that was developed here in the states and could only your red underserved certain circumstances they develop decipher, so they would write in code and they were quite good at this. They were quite accomplish. There were not perfect and will explore Will explore the bombs in the road they encounter yet, but for today's episode we after focus on the most mysterious member of the copper ring. This agent was a person, yes or no

citizens are known only by the code name agent, three, fifty five, so much better than seven eleven, is. It is much better than seven eleven and for comic book fans. If you ve read why the last man. You will see. There's there's an agent three, fifty five in this. Worry, and it comes from this real historical person yeah. So here's what here's what we know about agent fifty five years you like whoa. Fifty five is: is such a bad ass in why the last man, I can't believe, there's a person really like this. There may have been. We don't know That's the thing, there's no real historical consensus about who this person was Benedict, They really did even Even what happened to them? We just that they were alive and inactive spy things got attributed to them, yet

there we go that's a more fair way to say it met. This person is so sketchy that two hundred years later, we are over twenty years later. We have no idea where they are, and me we'd never will. But we do know, the things were attributed to them were studying and spectacular acts of spy craft area, what how do we know the even real nuts that's square one right. We know that because there is one direct reference to agent three fifty, I in any of the copper ring letters or corresponded seas. Is a letter from Abraham would Hall Member, that's Koper, senior to George Washington when several spies been exposed and arrested and would have would hold it. I met one who has been ever serviceable to this correspondence. That's right her

not only was agent three hundred and fifty five one of the most accomplished in the series of the culper spies, but many experts today believe agent, three hundred and fifty I may have been a woman or even a group of women. And this is based on the fact that the corporal coding system this this Fraser. This number three fifty five actually meant within their cipher. It meant lady, and there's not much other proof, then that their eyes she let's, let's assume the agent three. Fifty five is indeed a woman. She worked with the american patriots during the revolutionary war she will have been recruited by Would hall.

Rather than tat image there guessing because of the way her reports coincided with british visits to New York City, aha, so the fact that they call three fifty five, the fact that three Fifty five means. Lady doesn't just imply, you know gender. It also implies social standing. Yeah right means she probably some kind of I don't know. I know what you would call this prominence yeah affluent, maybe usually connected sewage likely live in New York City. We know at some point agent, three fifty five had contact with major John Andrey and Benedict Arnold, one of the only bad bends. Well, We need a Mussolini, yeah Benedict Arnold there's, Benjamin Brat,

now just showing how dare you he's off? So I don't know anything about. I don't either I just like the obliteration. You know not what, if this is, how we find out is a terrible prayers. I know it because I'm ok yeah we, We will. We are unsure about Benjamin Brett. That is officials today undecided undecided hopeful, alas, poor quality the only thing you are Benjamin brat he's just shaking his head. He looked up he's like what are they talking about the fact that so away from big we brought back to Benedict Arnold Major John Andrey? There is pretty solid Spain. Vision that three fifty five passed along the information that exposed Benedict Arnold as a trader and led to the euro. The major John Andrea, who was captured with maps of West Point and

past, signed by Arnold in his possession man. So Benjamin Tall manages memoirs reveal this struggle to prevent the news of the majors capture from reaching Benedict Arnold, because as soon as Bennydeck tears that someone's been exposed, he's gonna hightail it Andre confessed and he was hanged. So around this time Abraham would holes correspondence. That's Koper Senior indicates that Robert Townsend and other Koper ring members fled New York City. They went into hiding something, went sour, something went south sums, it was rotten in Denmark. Somebody new smarting knew too Much. Will you ever then, then. After about two weeks day, they saw that there is some kind of decline in whatever heat they were experiencing decree. In temples.

They returned yeah, which they probably shouldn't, have done because that's when you always said there's that one direct reference to three fifty five year that's Winwood Hole, had to inform tonnage about in Washington about the rest of quote several of our dear friends, including one who had ever been serviceable. True, this correspondence, which was as close as they would come to saying, ok, the jig, is up exactly, let's look at how that occurred and then see if we can make any guesses port agent. Three hundred and fifty five is identity which remains again unknown in the modern day will get right back to that. After a word from our sponsor hello, this is RON Burgundy and you were listening to my voice, which commands trust and respect, guess what my podcast is back and that's a win forever

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So that's what we know about the round up of these suspected american spots. Let's go back to major John Andre when the proverbial, wrap closed on him. It triggered this whole other thing around up of suspects who were living in british occupied territory. There was a pregnant female spy who was arrested in question. But she refused to reveal any information over activities or even who the father of her child was. So it's a double mystery wrapped in a burrito mystery. Floating in a nice enigma sauce here I, this spy was held aboard a prison ship called the h, Amiss Jersey, the HIV, Jersey was famous for being squalid, adjusted a terrible, terrible, terrible place

even in the realm of ship. Prisons. Yet last places you one end up right and the life expectancy in these prison ships was Not you not see me for years yet like several months good news. Is you won't be that miserable for that law die such Good NEWS, in fact and starvation abuse violence terrible terrible place, but she membership strain it. She actually gave birth there yeah. She, according the story, gave birth to a boy but she died aboard the ship and then the reports from the copper ring decay significantly. Even after Albert Townsend goes back to spying. Theirs,

a lot of speculation concerning Robert towns in and this expectant female spy, because, according to letters from the towns and famine, in the relatives in their loved ones. He was never the same after this person passed away. He lived out his days depressed. You never got married. I he drank like a thirsty fish and this coupled with either the female spies pregnancy. His activities leading up to and during the arrest caused some experts to speculate that he was actually the father of this child and that this spy, if she were agent, threefold five was his common law, wife yeah and then there's a legend that when the boy that was born, ended up being named Robert Townsend Junior but allow the academics color of Poohpooh. This idea they'd debunk it inside

conveniently romantic right, yeah. Maybe it would make for a great book. We do know that once he had news of this round up or the search for spies, people are suspect Townsend, did attempt to steal a ton of money, yeah and hightail skit Addle, probably with this person. If the item, is true, one wonder if it would just out of fear, but who knows it's weird because you can go on the official CIA website and you'll see arguments that imply. They accept this claim. So that's that's what we do know about aging three, fifty five There is, however, a tantalizing bit of accurate information in terms of this. This kid story, though yeah

This this little boy who became a man rubber, Townsend Junior, he was a son of James Townsend and also a brother of senior here he became a lawyer. He went into politics and oddly enough, maybe not that oddly, because we know who is mother is right his pet projects. As a lawyer was the prison ship Martyrs Memorial Fund, which eventually became the prison if martyrs, monument at Fort Green Park in New York coincidence, I mean it, I think it. Has more to do with. Who is mom was right. Warner. Well, we don't know that that was his mother Ah, so, ok yeah, so there is a mystery

a footman MR there remains, and that leads us to what we don't know about agent three, fifty five, which is literally anything else, any stuff other than the wild gases that we ve, seen speculation from historians add one engine in one letter one direct reference rather. In that absolutely nothing concrete is known about or other the wind the british leaders were in New York. Information came General Washington and incredibly quick and prodigious rate, but when those british leaders left town the information slowed down to a trickle, so yeah probably lived in New York, but who is agent three fifty five there. There are a couple of possibilities, and maybe we can start with just some rough demographic stuff, her way up to specific names we s it one possibility is that she was a well bred. Lady,

What a weird term just means, probably from a wealthy family from New York within the upper crust of society she was probably this family was probably a loyalist family to the British, to the british government and You just have to imagine one of the reasons this is a good possibility is because such a position would have given her access to visiting officials. Just I having a meeting having a dinner or having officers over for any and another. With this please their living in a kind of lavishly in New York. The social function yeah go have a social function or pay or New York. Surely this is not? people talk in New York City hope, lady, is why it would be such the lad merriment, were that, like I wouldn't great. If, if

everybody talk like a lot. The early colonists have like New York accidents like real, like New York, excess full on, british to get at virtually every wonderful yeah. You know I would be into that. So there's that, but that's it that's a really good guesstimate is yet oh absolute demographic guess there's the other possibility that maybe she was agent three, fifty five again for assuming three fifty five woman there is this other possibility that three hundred and fifty five was in one of these great houses of note. She was with a well bred family to borrow that terrible term having constant contact with these officers, but not as an. Perhaps as a servant, a made in a house where british soldiers slept or were quartered or biv,

yes and from these gases we can go to some specific names. You'll hear people such as an a strong proper. Used as agent three fifty five. She was a new member of the coal perspiring and she was Abraham would holes neighbour. She she had a cool these people over specialities right near they, crew cool Stick was that she would convey messages via the way she hung laundry under close All that is so cool. It makes you paranoid when you learn about how people signal things. Just everything is assigned now reload, I in sleep, when I see somebody better to tighter shoelaces, only I know I know is that is way too paranoid of me, but I try not to stand around and their do, and I get that sometimes I'm profile, I'm basically profiling, people who have laces in their shoes, Dude

is driving by this do the other day, and he just happen to bend like he like me, made icon with me, as I'm driving passed, many bent down to his backpack, and I I did not like it one bit what's happening. What are you hurt? Exchanges occurred here was the signal here. Also I I don't know about you, but always seem like you would be so much fun to perpetrate those sorts of spy activities. Oh just randomly mistake a park walk by and have walked by switch suitcase his with someone, oh yeah, or do that thing, whether you back to back benches, and you see a one once The bench in the other person sits on the other side facing away from you, that's great and then amended remark about the passers by

the other person quietly, oh man, it just see it seems like it would be. It would be fine, because personally, if I saw some doing a suitcase hand off, I would be I be mystified. It would make my day these were not suitcase handoff off time, so these were messages and laundry and disappearing times, but there are other candidates for three four five correct, oh yeah, one would be Sarah Horton Townsend. This is Robert Townsend's, cousin and there's also Elizabeth, broken or Bruin, who american prisoners on british prison ships be in its just trying. These ideas are just looking at placement. Location I should like ways this possible and we really the all of these- are just kind of not reaching on the dark, as we ve got these tiny little p.

Is raised. Breadcrumbs were built on the assumption that three, fifty five being lady meant either a female spy or a specific female spy, and all you can extrapolate from that is hey, who were the Females buys ACT of the copper ring in the tv should turn Washington spy. Oh, is that the show you ass? I suppose they have other Rico in turn, agent. Three, fifty five is actually a former slave of an a strong longhand earlier and that's that's that's it. That's how the guy at this point, the cover up seems to have been successful. More two hundred years after the rest, war. We have no way of discerning the true identity of agent. Three fifty five is impossible. The someone their nose. Is it possible that

one of our fellow listeners as pass. This families secret down the line for generations. Is there a reason why you would want to continue to keep it secret is Oswald S somewhere in alone, neglected Eric or dusty tome future historians, my discover a new clue to three fifty fives identity. For now it is difficult to say, but one thing is for sure: the identity of agent, three, Fifty five was and remains the stuff. They don't want you to know, and at least in this case America's forefathers proved more than capable of keeping it. That way, so we have to say they did a good job? I mean I know we knock. We knock the gun A little bit occasionally here now show oh yeah, absent. By the way I'm I'm so silly turn the whole different thing that I was also watching he blocking all this graph shows turn is about this kind of stuff

can the revolutionary war, which is a great show in my opinion, but does one was about were lower too, and I still here I'm sorry will observe yet we know, let's, let's woods, figure this outlets. Let's get some company, no other hotter Coulter. It's probably It either Huggins Heroes. Ok, that's what it was called higher those errors as great as an old higher hard hitting the dark drama there. I honestly do not remember what it is they who was so good to is a BBC issue. I want to say I believe about this about. We ask our fellow conspiracy real is for some help. Let us know what some of your favorite spy shows are. Let us know how you think the you wanna practice, some counterfactual history. Let us know what you think would have happened to this continent. Had the United States, not

urged independent from the revolutionary war. And yes, of course, if you think the U S is still under the control of the. Kingdom, why and what it? What is the evidence? We'd love to hear it? We also have that episode about whether the UK still controls the? U S, which is a surprisingly prominent. Leaf. Yeah really is in one will british royalty finally bring about the moon child. I mean we ve been for a long time and I'm just bring that moon child on time. Dear yeah, I and very pro moon child. You know what I mean. Yeah would totally bow down to the moon, Troutina Lake. The this species has picked it up. Both talking about the same thing right, yeah from the invisible riveted early cool cool, the half human half, our God hybrid. Yes, that come

through a mirror son. I this sounds while, but this is not the spoiling the individuals about it. It's too chock full of that stuff, and we want to thank you so much for diving into this history. Here with what could have been why I guess probably not the most successful spy in? U S! History, because we know they existed in the most successful spies ghosts right there, just traveling salespeople or something like that, their listening to this episode. If there were thank you cause, you could listen to so many other spike ass. They have to listen to all the issues kind of it downloads. Ok, ok! Well still, we appreciate your time.

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