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Stop they don't want you to know the production of lose our stuff works Hello. Welcome back to the show my name is met already on now. My name is not. They call me Ben. We are joined with our super guess. Producer today set Johnson so help us find a more moniker for him. If you feel so inclined. Most importantly, you or you you are here, and that makes this stuff. They don't want to know no age. It's a fairly well known fact here in the studio around the office and so We are animal, Lovers. Ourselves, Seth has three dogs, as he as a disk them to full blown. Much and one part I end, then, that you have you ever approaches. Well right. Yes, I do have approach

Full blown, but she's got the months yeah and you ve got several feet find companions? Oddly enough, my I know and I both have have cats. No, I think you have a cat named Robert single cat goes by the name, Robert interchangeably, with Fernando we need, Fernanda before within other, he actually already had a names was Robert, because his has a bobtail I get a glaring name again so weird We are not alone by any means. Our species has a long story. History with animals, there lovable their dangerous if you're listening to this twenty nineteen, a ton of them, are endangered. Their dangerous and endangered, and today we are exploring the secret stories.

Animals beyond well, technically, the secret story of non human animals beyond the typical fetch fight own pet, your cat, China, things beyond the world. That's we're talking about animals in the military there, a lot of those that you probably think of immediately as saying that right in wanting to talk briefly about some of those that were getting into the deeper waters where Animals are used in such unconventional ways a gets weird, but but first let's let set the stage here are

the facts. Animals have been used in combat role since time immemorial, ancient times, occasionally they would be in support roles other times actually weapon ized, wild dogs and horses were some of the first critters used in war courses, of course, being one of the most historical representations of the popular images you see of war horses decked out in armour and the like. There are only two examples of a much wider field than you might expect answers no horse is a horse. Of course there are some of the most popular, but over the past thousands of years humans have used camels, donkeys, monkeys, elephants, dolphins, rats, cats, pity pigs, oxygen, moose and more of our great, oh, my fee. Thank you. Thank you for safe in its their felt like it was about the beat was about to drop by we have. We have used these to some sort of either logistical or tactical

adage for a long, long, long, long time and honestly, we ever really starts nowadays with the with the rise of mechanized transportation. Now, as we see horses still around, but not as crucial as they were to say, nomadic parties on the steps right or absolute napoleonic warfare. Yet so that means that stick, strictly speaking, humanity's favorite non human animal gets the gets the spotlight now and those are dogs when you think of where I may most people, think of a pet statistics, prove they think of dogs and who hasn't seen those adorable pictures of dogs and military vast. You know who hasn't been at the airport and had a tough time

not to pet. The drug dog were s exactly or the I've seen several means of chivalry news with a case some of those, sorry. That knows, I guess not evaluate when the trumps our I saw. A picture of a guy with his dog incise head was inside a watermelon when it was cut then he opens up the watermelon and there's a dog inside while just ahead. There was a whole cut in the bottom of the waters around the watermelons surrounding the dogs. Had he very happy wasn't Nina. There is, no I'm. What was going on is now not adopt. Another thing is: when you look at it, secondly, what am I looking at and amid a watermelon parts and there's a dead, looks like a dog likely living inside the watermelons, the cubes thalers. Here, maybe you could weapon eyes yeah. Well that image alone. You know the the as these military can certainly weapon eyes things of that nature, but have other ways of doing this. To there's this thing called, the? U S, war, dogs, association and they can give

Some some basic categories in which or types in wish dogs have been used, military purposes right over the years, maybe not necessarily to day, but yet they have seven broad cattle where is we can list through these pretty quickly so first century? It's what it says on the tin. These dogs worked on a short leash and they were taught to give a series of escalating warnings take a growl, they could run around like they were correct or of course they can bark and they were most useful during a during the evening when attack from cover or from the rear was most likely NEA, and that feels like the most traditional use of a dog for all. Guarding purposes in a way back to the days of wolves, yeah you're around a campfire or something having a dog that is team and near your campsite. We would be very, very beneficial, but then you ve.

Oh god, dogs that are actually going to go out on petrol or scout with with humans in a lot of these are trying to work in silence these with these Guys, would try and detect release attempt to detect snipers any kind of other Russia's from you no enemy force, but especially, if you're dealing with something that you ve gotta, not a quarantine. But an area of operation right. These had kind of patrol the areas well, but a type of dog needs to be trained for this. You can just get any breed, essentially any dog, with any disposition for this. They have to be some of the most highly intelligent breeds german shepherds lot of the time release. Those are Does your attack dogs the devil used, as they seem pretty versatile, very highly, intelligent and training? I imagine you don't wanna golden retriever for this one. Not here now because they would make friends

Well, it's crazy to baby, got statistic here and again bringing this from the: U S, war dogs, association quote: scout dogs could detect the presence of enemies of the dissidents of one thousand yards and that's, why before any of the other. Human operators would notice these enemy forces and just fly. This essentially statistic that I found from half the forks. Actually, the cost of training a military dog per animal is around between twenty thousand forty thousand dollars. So this is very specialised training that goes into being able to do these tasks and and doesn't come cheap. So the third category, there would be the messenger, the most desired cos calling for a messenger, dog was loyalty and they had to be able to work with to handle like one on each side, so that can be a problem with some animals. When the military's of the world attempted to train cetaceans, they found that they had difficulty passing

They take getting the dolphin or what have you to also be cool with the field agent instead of just being called the trainer. But then we have minded action. Those dogs have call nickname they're called in dogs nice. If you like, and I M dog somewhere, but it was probably at a dive bar Some reason all of this is reminding me of military, solid in the diamond dogs. None of you guys are aware of that. No, go it's been a while, since I plead the metal gears diamond dogs. Ass David Boeing. In writing. It is that's. Correct. O should never minded lots of there's a lotta games. They see the play. So then there are a casualty dogs. This is a more somber duty, but this is enormously important there, like search and rescue dogs, but their meant to find the bodies. You know if the rescue is not

The rescue not possible while the person's alive they are meant to pinpoint the casualties Can we go back to the mind? Are really fast? I'm always open to take my India occupations are. If you like, glass, or some other end far there, because there's something you found in the research ban. That was just about how difficult that obvious, because murmur these animals are essentially performing a job that the job of d Ding mines and other metallic and non metallic explosive devices while theirs. Let's say a gun battle occurring or explosions, happening around just how difficult that job is to perform in actual combat. Oh yeah, yeah, very stressful, right, yeah, yeah sue, the in dogs, despite having one of the cruellest names did not in fact do the best job

just because the circumstances were so fraught with peril, the old ones I admire immensely worthy tunnel dogs Vietnam, because you and they used to have humans as well. Be tunnel rats who drop into these secret Vietcong tunnels hideouts ends headquarters and matches. I dont know why When was ones terrified me like, if you ve ever been buried alive, it's not a pleasant experience, it late you I'm not normally claustrophobic, but it just takes like one night in the dirt to not one. I ever do that to totally. We agree with you. There they absorb all this stuff makes me think about doctrines. A high- and I dont know honestly. I don't know if they will be ready to hunt badgers you ever I'd. I know that I don't have to use in buried earlier, he has called buried. Sends me like a very unpleasant film

Now that the ban would enjoy very much I admire listening about seeing kill bill when she's burial- running along our way out, and that was to me the most visceral depiction of like what it might feel like to be buried alive and it is. It is not good news to totally we agree with you. There wait, I'm sorry, all this makes me think about dioxins. I dont know. Honestly. I don't know if they re write to her badgers you ever I'd. I know there are not enough. There are used in for the purposes specifically of being a tunnel dog but dang. That's like you, couldn't create a bet version or better chassis, yeah, put their legs a little closer together, probably with NATO and when their action their bread to hunt all burrowing animals that were native deposition. That's why, despite their diminutive frame, never warlike, belligerent demeanour,

yeah. I said it's true. I withdrew sweeter than that back to casualty dogs. It makes me think of rescue dogs, not now that we think of when we think of getting a rescue, shelter, doggedly dogs that would rescue people from avalanches. You might have seen cartoons. We have these Saint Bernard in Like Switzerland, with the Swiss House, with these, will barrels around their neck. That, I think, had sums of brandy in them. That would revive like passed out, snow, blind, traveler and poor sat the got stuck in him. The launch of the thing is well. I always wondered if, if they really did where those for Saint Bernard Neck barreled not a real thing, it was an invention of a painter and then it s sort of caught the public's imagination. So, apparently, not everything but Saint Bernard were bred in that area of the Swiss Alps. Where

people work. They were used as rescue dogs in that way, but did not have the barrel will now. We know Saint Bernard, no barrel tunnel dogs, I think incredibly brave explosive detection dogs right. That is the that is the seventh category C on war dogs and those are just what they sound like. They are trained to use the astonishing canine sense of smell to detect explosives before human beings could so these these dogs, Afghanistan a lot, a lot of other war torn areas, not only factors in these seven categories, only factor in official working dogs. These are not those heartwarming Buzz Viti stories of Juno Lake sergeant, peppercorns or whatever, who is a little? You know, Cocker, Spaniel, that the French ran into one day, and now he has his own uniform and people have to salute them and stuff sergeant pepper course.

I don't know I was trying to get something besides sergeant pepper, so you know beautiful all those different you have Peter Nincompoop or something for all the always sunny fans there. But those procedures are invariably crucial in their own very endearing very sweet way, but that is not why we are here to day Is it the reason? The other things we are talking about today are the way animals have been used right for more time and other things, and we ve got a couple of examples. Laundry list here a little bit, but moreover, any more. Strange than others. Did you guys an episode of ridiculous history. On the bats, the explicit Ben. I dare you have done, and I presented a few of these. Actually, there is another one involving dolphins, but let's start with the bats for sure, he's dead. There incendiary right, though, is the whole point. Yes,

the! U S almost use bats loaded with napalm in something they call project x ray. The idea here was that it would create a new wave of fire. Throughout Japan Conflagration there would destroy the primary cities However, the plan was scrapped, big, not because the bats were bad at their jobs, but because they were very good and they escaped they burned. A hanger in New Mexico, a military officials, car and everyone was against it. If I remember correctly, they were just on timers as well say they wasn't, can be triggered individually or in some remote way. They were released in the ideas that they would. They would kind of roost in the eaves of these very flammable homes, as you know, like a lot of japanese homes, paper doors and you know all wooden frames and the idea was smart. They they would be undetectable. People wouldn't think anything of

and I just Didn'T- Didn'T- go as planned, but was a priest. Smart idea in theory, as also they had just like, like a bomb, is We attach yeah we're just carry sire time, tiny bombs, unstable untraceable grenade rules. You pull the pen and you throw, but in this case a million bats it was a ton right. It wasn't just a couple ugly wheels area while that's insane The Japanese did a weird similar thing, not nor the animals, but involving balloons that they would just like release, and hopefully the winds would take them into America here and a few other major, but mainly that they did not by this idea of, like blindly releasing weaponry into the world is very strange to me and dangerous. I mean this is so backed animals there camels have been used is mount some beast burdensome

time immemorial, but they were actually used, as quote unquote suicide bombers during the Soviet war in Afghanistan and the problem with that terminology, of course, is that the camels could not consent near is still very informative or ensure practice of lake lighting. Is on fire and then sending them to run at the enemy. I don't remember just remember that Soviet or in Afghanistan it's not the whole two thousand one and beyond war. That's back in the day. Seventy nine, eighty nine. Yes, that is correct in very good point. There, dolphins, super, intelligent. Of course. It's no wonder Miller, Harry's all around the world would love to work with dolphins, their great at locating mines, their train of all. They have some behavioral issue. Real dolphin behaviour does not match. Maybe what you think of, when you think of flipper

or echo. The dolphin, I think, was the sacred Genesis came hurrying on checking with hard yeah, but then I have also seen that episode of drug history nod- controls over the you're talking about the weary adultery? You talk about the dolphin here. That's true story, so Wherewith to lily with, like that, the researcher yeah yeah, the agency Lily language language instruction, Harrison Freaky Dolphin, actually going on in, like a flooded laboratory like dormitory gonna situation right here, for another day. So, along with dolphins, the? U S Marine Mammal programme, also trains see lions to detect enemy divers, see Lionel spotted Diver and they're supposed to attach a tracking device shaped like a handcuffed to one of the enemies. Limb

whoa there also trained to locate recover military hardware and crash victims at sea. The? U S is very careful to state that these cetaceans, in o the doff, o ile cetaceans and the sea lines, and so on, are not taught to attack people, that's what they say. They just want to put a little handcuff like thing on your leg. That's all anklet, just little tag just want access arise so again there's a merging around there. Then it's not just due to the depth of the ocean, will will figure out exactly what's going on there or for some disturbing things in that regard, going back to the idea of blindly releasing something one of the most dangerous uses of animals in warfare would be the use of insects, because that ties directly with germ warfare against the spread of weapons, eyes disease. Yes, there's there's an historical use of this in Japan when that country,

did to use insects as weapons during world war. Two and the whole idea there was to infect the military members and people in front lines in people and in all places a lot of places with cholera. Plague. There would be carried by these insects. Essentially, like you said, Ben S, germ warfare, they're, just carriers worthy thing Owen and little known fact, counter fact: this is the: U S tested very similar method on its own people like in Florida. Poor black neighborhoods in Seville, Georgia. It drop these flee bombs and it was like you know, that's very swampy kind of area with a lot of potential for disease, and it was really bad did what women we would we find them. People actually did were confirmed killed because of some of those tests. I believe that's correct here. While in Japan also do this as well as what we are talking about. The same thing: dropping fleas of White

inside bombs. Essentially, that's dead is very, very intense to me in its ingenious, but I mean is: what do you call it? Biological warfare must be re had evidently in Israel scorched earth approach. To I mean it's: it's really just devious year, because there's not a when those things are deployed there. There wasn't any technology in form of like a topical treatment or something applied to friendly forces or in terms of course, you can steer the bugs will lose so yeah. This is brutal its insidious. Let's go to something a bit of a lighter note before we plunged full on into the darkness, but let's do that after a word from our sponsor

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an ally planes, so they were just losing their frickin mines repeatedly. This is very stressful to the humans working with them, so the birds had to get mixed in the Second World WAR in american behaviorist, the famous bf Skinner, devised a plan to train pigeons to ride and missiles. Guide them to enemy ships. Her here the plan was scrapped. Fruit I'll, but then resurrected from nineteen. Forty eight to fifty three as project or cod is an amazing image. They conjugal your brain, a pigeon, I living a missile nope or a bombs. Don't don't care for its like doktor, strange love, but now it's a pigeon, but the hat. In the bombs are coming down. The parents are, like german aircraft like it. One bit so pursued nor in the in the interest of of your sanity, will move on. There Who are. We are just scratching the service here, while the initial?

idea may seem an orthodox. The logic does bear up like that, bears a man. All right, you have your own fair and square first. Some animals do naturally have ability superior to those of you technology is Dinah a lot to mitigate this gap in recent years, but in some cases animal still remain the superior most cost effective solution. The nose of a dog is amazing, right. It's tough to replace that and second now, this is cold blooded a lot more so than than we like to be here. But it's true. If some Ngos wrong with an operative if it is an animal and not a human being, it's a lot less. Expensive to train another one of those animals. Then it is to train a soldier now that is, that is pre rough to look at it. Just for me

work cost perspective in that way, but it's also the v p r effect of having a lost soldier verses, a you know, perhaps lost dog. It's it's different MRS D lost bird. Ok, we can all stomach that not only lost dog makes me sad losberne, unlike better off without the birds I like, don't get lost their two swore at the core of it s the

It's not that I don't know. I think every every living creature go get loss but yeah. That's it. That's a good point rate. So it's no wonder the animals continue and will continue to fill various rules and multiple militaries, but just how far does this go and what? If there is more to the story? Here's where it gets crazy, yeah, depending on who you ask intelligence agencies and militaries all across the globe, are using animals in a much more nefarious and secretive clandestine ways. So, let's talk a little bit Ben about the Middle EAST and it strange preoccupation with Anna

Conspiracy saw this is crazy, yeah. This, let's spend some time on this issue. We have to be pretty careful going into this. We in all our fellow listeners need to realise that this bizarre, distinct sub, Jean Raw, all these different, larger conspiracy theory, does occur, as you said, no in the Middle EAST, in it wrapped up in, I would say more than its fair share of anti Semitism, because we have numerous sources in the Middle EAST, claiming that animals are being used in top secret programmes to survey or local populations, terrorize them and attack them. However, the vast majority, by which I mean close to one hundred percent These accusations are coming from other countries in the Middle EAST, directly levelled at a single other country, which is Israel and occasionally the west calling for the west. Can we talk about the eagle that God detained

yeah yeah there has were his blue Philly aided tv station is according to a report by slate, we're saying that an eagle was detained north of Beirut because it was suspected of being an israeli spy. Yet there are multiple things we can even trace it back to the one of the. Getting reports that made international news. Let's call it the great shark wave of twenty turn turn to you sound. Like a shock me It's a short NATO plus a thinking shark data plus one of this monster truck rallies plus jaws. Yeah, that's pretty accurate, essential cool, hooray, lets you, what are the people who gets wrapped up in the shark wave in December? Twenty ten there were several shark attacks off the coast of Egypt, neuron near some resort, towns and p

appeared on the egyptian media, notably one guy named Captain Lou stuff is male, and this captain claimed that a gps tracking device found a white sharks was not your garden variety gps. These gps trackers, are not uncommon in the world of terrestrial biology or marine biology, but the captain said that this was instead of each gps device. This was a steering divide, was a guiding device planted by what he described as agents of israeli intelligence? Egyptian officials attributed the attack. Two more mundane factors like the actual politicians the intelligence community of Egypt said well. You sharks, nor We are super and eating people, so we're looking at over fishing. We're looking at may be teaching them to us. People, food dumping, sheep carcasses overboard

an unusually high water temperatures to their credit. Egyptian scientists also were buying it because you see John, Ps is not a remote control, but here the spiriting match was lit it. What's that was the match was lit. The story itself became what people nowadays call lit a f, because we have several more stories of these strange accusations. They just get weirder. Ok, so let's go to the Iranians military adviser Hassan for Russa body in two thousand, a teen when asked of US men via malice, you're, under arrest at the time this melody advise said that they weren't your average environment lovers. Your average tree hungers. Instead, they were representatives of western powers, hiding spy, lizard It's in uranium mines that I remember the story very, very distinctly. This is fantastic.

Claimed the environmentalist had lizards and chameleon on their persons at the time. Four isabel. He told the iranian Labour NEWS agency quote. We found out that their skin attracts of atomic waves and that they were nuclear spies. Who wanted find out where inside the Islamic Republic of IRAN, we have uranium mines and where we are engaged in atomic activities and Anderson issues with this yeah yeah fur, atomic waves are not a real thing. It is true that in many cases, It can be illegal to be caught with living creatures in your possession, especially if you are smuggling them in or out of a country, but unless it's an endangered species, it's not it's. It's weird thing: the charts wherewith next, the scales that cover lizards are called scoots, sneak right, see you t s and disputes are made up of two types.

Carotene proteins, carrots and a stunning plot twist carrots and be neither of these types of protein have any special ability to detect your name or other radioactive materials, furthermore, reptiles or cold blooded, so they want to be where it is warm rang. Often it's it's a tough cell to say that there are cold blood reptiles who have some sort of motivation to Berulle. Deep into a cold uranium mines so overwhelmingly people outside of IRAN? And outside of euros. Baldy say this is hogwash see. The lizards were meant to seek out the warmth of the neutrons coming off of the radioactive materials guys, that's the whole point. There is a whole boy. You release a chameleon in a very cold cave, it's gonna go to to the uranium. It's not rocket science lies

It is a thing facetious, of course, but what Interesting concept Because of what do you do with them? What do you do? The lizards after they found the uranium? what fibre frigates you know what I what's the intelligence part. What's the actionable thing, I guess again pinpoint the location, The mines would be. The idea saw would have to be a numbers game. Then you would either drop them into suspected mines re or you would drop them into everything in a region and just hope that one of them seemed to exit seem to prove the supposition. Ok are well what about this if wizards feel a little too beyond the pale hammered something more reasonable, like world? Also in IRAN in two thousand seven? Oh yeah, oh yeah, IRAN and end people working for IRAN captured fourteen squirrels.

In the local news agencies, their say These LE guys were equipped with some kind of equipment. There was meant for spying in allegedly the squirrels had. Some kind of you know, like a small device attack, to them, essentially, there was used for eavesdropping, You just put him in a park somewhere. Maybe nearer government building, and you could just wait for the squirrels to capture whatever conversations occurring at a park. Bench and honestly, that's becomes sort of a trope cliche of this idea of this. Girls are listening. You like see it in and sketch cry of theirs. Rigour already has exactly right away to get more rigour morty? Yes, it was written Morty, they travel to an alternate universe where Morty is able to hear squirrels and they have to burn down the basically burned out a universe scape brand It covers issues the squirrels have or so clandestine in beautiful. So it is this that episode Italian,

the fact that we're gonna be on harm in town. You guys talked about our own social media and we had an actual excited by its really cool because we're big fan of them in our european home and then dear, It's be on this show to assuming we don't just irreparably burner bridge was I IRAN arming to do our best. Where are the innocent friends of those worlds friends with them. Maybe we'll get rode out on a real, tired and feathered, hopefully not hopefully not properly. So, ok, maybe idea squirrel spies, seems a little too far into the realm of science fiction. That's fine! I get a different pitch for you about dolphins, their super intelligent and in twenty fifteen Hamas claimed that day arrested a dolphin that was spying for israeli forces, were what I love about. This is when you just hear that headline. I have this picture of a grizzled doll. They can somehow walk in its correct its foot.

Kids at its get somewhere For some reason is. We walked out past the cameras, garlic What are the dolphin sounds so make no that's, not really those of getting things it's hard to get high enough Duff. Whose grew every issue you all of you, so The times of Israel reported allegations that this dolphin was outfitted spine equipment, including, but not limited to cameras which interesting about that. That we know stuff like that has happened before, right in real life. No, this next one is something that I think is safe to say. None of us saw coming. Dg Xvii. There's is a very these specific sorted narrative thread without

spy allegations concerning vultures, massive massive disgusting creed, legally dangling red face: weirdo creepy vultures, yes, yeah from Lebanon in twenty sixteen Levin on security officials detained a huge vulture, as described previously by myself. With the six point. Five foot span lives, is making me cringe inside and claim that it was a surveillance vulture, an animal working for Israel, because there was apparently a tracking device attached to one of its creepy vulture. Beat Wilfried only called sitting. Ok, so it had this tracking device attached to its foot. Yet again, a gps transmitter is not some sort of magic, remote control, gizmo tell Leave university was tracking this bird and, in addition, We're part in addition,

to having a gps transmitter on the bird. The bird also add tags on its wings, on within engraved metal ring on its leg that Red TEL Aviv university- Israel, not supersecret, that's not good spy craft. It not as crappy a job as James Bond who always lake is eternally day drunk and tells people his knee I really don't have what do you guys, do you think I'm a mess, but this bird wasn't much better if it was supposed to be a spot. This is not the first time a griffon vulture, specifically because these are massive rays that it's not the first time. One of them has been accused to be an agent of Mossad of the israeli intelligence agency in Saudi Arabia, two thousand and eleven one was captured and, of course, local news and scuttlebutt begin to orbit intensely around this concept

of a quorum quotes zionist plot and then pretty much. The same thing occurred in Sudan in twenty twelve o around this part of the world. Many people were certain that there was a new type of super spy and it was not a human was not a robot. It was a buzzard which is strange because, again from everything we can tell, these birds were likely being tracked as part of some biodiversity conservation projects. Yes, there it was for beneficial means for both the birds and for our research, a least. That's on the face of that right? Maybe look. We can fully discount that some of these animals weren't spying for somebody right sure because we will never know we never got interrogate these birds that vulture me you never get put it down the room with a polygraph nor had as far as I know, we have no doctor do little ask figure on in our governments, you now that's all we need. You guys have to be pretty cool for countering.

Elegance, a doctor Doolittle I mean. Surely there there's and are now? Is there no start a new kind of like there? Isn't there way to communicate with dolphins, and I make that up We talk about losing the whole handling, Alzheimer s signals, the evidence that's not your mind, man for mine. So can I help You know I don't know. I feel you have also written more anything but

to seeing in other Intel it there's a lot more men. Philosopher, Algernon, ask thing: go with the dog so, and I thought I was going to so. We also see other birds in twenty thirteen. Turkish officials claimed the captured a Kestrel falcon spying for you guessed it. The state of Israel there's a great illustration of this alleged culprit over at tablet: mag dot com, like the other birds, this kestrel has bunch markers identifying as a research subject and people are thought to be researching migratory patterns. The problem is that the very signs that should have made it plain these birds were part of various studies were instead taken as evidence of spy craft and then the very next year, fishermen in Egypt suspected stork of being the next James Bond. So far,

so far, astute listeners will notice the trend. Here, though we mentioned at the top, the country's claiming conspiracies afoot in the Middle EAST almost universally accuse one country of creating these animal spies. So it is doubtlessly true that Anti Semitism is informing some of these claims. If it is possible to bracket that that racism and discrimination and just look at the facts, could any of these claims about animals as spy craft and animals and war could any of them be true, will tackle that after a word from our sponsor, hey guys, it's Jack, O Brien, CO, founder of crack dot com and

host a twice daily news and culture podcast with the funniest person. I know miles gray what an it, what an owner always tell you, how much more about how hilarious don't tell them about my background in politics as a political operative or anything like that, just keep going on about the fun I wasn't going to. Ok, that's guys, you can come get caught up on what is happening without feeling the life train out of your soul at that ITALY's Ike Iced, you find us on the Iheart Radio, app apple pie CAS or wherever fine particles are given away for free or we're back. So if we just look at the trends, the claims of birds being used for spying often seem to be cases of birds that were being tracked. Foresight

it's rather than some sort of intelligence agency. Allegations of squirrels today remain unproven and if you know anything about what the squirrels are doing or talking out, please write to us: wait right now or run be safe. You can only save yourself. It's late too late. If you nodded, they heard you. It's true that there's no solid proof were against the squirrels, and yet, however, there are a couple of former CIA agents and wildlife experts were very sceptical about this, because they think I would be very difficult to train a squirrel or even, if you could, you would have a trained squirrel not a squirrel. That appears to be just your run of the mill guy out their collecting food, and this all leads mainstream writers to dismiss alot of the wilder conspiratorial accusations. Writing for the Toronto star,

journalists, Gill Urine says many animals undoubtedly serve, and Israel's army and security services, dogs sniff out bombs, alpaca help mountaineers carry their loads, which I did not know and is true and his cool but tales about the use of sharks, birds, rudiments or, as it has also been claimed. Insects in the service of the military are more the fruit of imagination than hard facts. So, with that in mind, let's go through them, acts. The crazy strange fact the United States is continuing to work with underwater creatures evaluating their usefulness. As spies member, we talked about the two thousand ten shockwave accusation re off the coast of Egypt. It turns out the back in two thousand six the Pentagon looked into using cybernetic sharks as spies and in twenty nineteen the BBC reported on it. It sounds not Real I've just got a couch that none of this

owns real until you see it on the BBC website based off of Declassify document. So I'm in a red part of this, the latest Jake from the. U S, defence advanced research projects, DARPA. As you know, we were big fans, our building your sound you at this point really so they aim to improve military intelligence by using a range of aquatic creatures from large fish, too humble sing celled organisms, using them all as underwater warning systems and here's a quote am we're trying to understand what these organisms can tell us about: the presence and movements of all kinds underwater vehicles in the ocean. That's from doktor lorry O door, not tell who's the programme manager of the persistent product living, sensors or pals project. I love my underwater pals. Nea course. The navy comes through and there's a lot of guys me. We ve said this before in the past, we're going to say it

We are not trying to use. Any creatures are less than you do any kind of awkward man stuff we're not trying to have them hard. The water craft, the the ships and southward hurt the humans that are out there were just using them, as sensors do believe that now Why would you not train it? I guess it would be much more difficult to train a cetacean to attack a specific EC person. I don't worry specifically, you you remember faces like an assassin so targeting a single person rather than a, I mean, generic type of soldier or military first, maybe there's some signal that you have to give to prove your friendly, but also very taken until a video games. Madame very taken with the idea of a dolphin centric assassins. Creed what I want is a cephalopod, centric assassin organization really think about their lives.

Cooper Smart. They can like open doors and start didn't you see a London Nemo to the early live two years, though Escobar. That's part of what end there. Closest thing. We have to approve an alien intelligence. Ok, so fix the aging problem. Brain division of work on the land, I wrote to you, put them in a MAC situation, agreed sacrificed or about diverse, and you have no man, it's it's a trip, but let's go The peace of the story may be. There were not any remote, controlled, cybernetic short drones, which it gets saying off the coast of Egypt, but the United States certainly wanted or wants to make them, or did It's just not it still classified. The project was discussed at the two thousand six ocean science is meeting of the american dream

Physical Union in Honolulu Hawaii. There wasn't a lot of news about the proposal after that and new if it was just in the proposal stage at that time, it doesn't feel like a few months would be enough time to get something like that in the field right, certainly if that was their starting position, and we cannot forget that people in Norway did find a runaway whale spy. Is very friendly, very acclimated to humans. Yes- and you can you can read about that on the BBC, there are several. The BT, has some amazing reporting on spy animals. There must be some one in there. It's like their thing: because it really was a beluga whale right. That's that's the one where reference referencing that had a harness on it. That specifically, was let me see if I can find exactly what it

said. Yes, it had a harness on it. There was supposedly russian or of russian origin and it also had a go prove holder like one little? You know their mounts Virgo browser, but there was no go pro attached on this beluga whale that was found. Certainly odd, but but again, when people spoke about it of the officials, the russian officials, when they chimed in their basic saying, come on guys. You think we would put one of our specially trained spy. Balloon is out there with a harness. They clearly is Russia's Bible Luke, which goes back to the birthing. Like e F, it's a spy. What does it say, TEL Aviv University Yemen is also one of those troves you see and leg. Cipher moves are one of the satellite light falls into blankets. Clearly, a russian satellite is got russian and text on it where they really that. Maybe they were eternit yeah. You know, especially the question is: did they intend to get caught? Who did they want to identify

Here's a crazy thing. It is at least according to this report, there was a colleague of the russian official who would comment and saying you know, this is crazy, come on, of course it was in this They are saying they dont. Do such experiments with the balloon is specifically to have them spy, but they have the russian Terry has been capturing and training. Balloon is for quite some time. So again, it's like the shark thing like if you go back for years. Then you go away. There are some programs ray pretty similar to this right. So maybe the maybe the accusations are sort of been legend radio there their growing from these legitimate concerns. But at this point it is no secret that militaries and intelligence agencies do very, very creepy thinks, and furthermore, tail is all this time when people are prejudiced against a giving group, it's not hard for them.

Except even the most ridiculous accusation, if you for some reason, Haider a person or a people or a group of any sort. I then you're, bs detection. Your bs meter is all out a whack globally. Anything. If you hate everyone who watches night cork, then you see a study that says people who watch naked. Our bureau necrophilia acts or something you'll, just sort of not yourself and go. May sir, and checks are near that whoever that person is the haze people. Why? Who night court, there's something very wrong with them, and that is the only kind of person that I hate is people who hate people who watch Knighton the guy from thy quarters pass away, carry Anderson near He D passed two wheelers. The age of sixty five, I ready study meant that people who hate people who hate night court actually tend to perform higher on spatial aptitude test do believe.

I did you just find that somewhere, founded somewhere assure her so used her up. Your aptitude provided good work. So again, however, that, despite the fact that we cannot we we, we cannot league extracts the socio political soil in which this occurs. We cannot extract that racism. It is true, despite that, there are clear, improving cases of animals being used in ways that are, like you said, met Syn, or to the more to spiritual claims who see floating around. We cannot confirm whether this specific of a certain narrative are true. You know like two thousand ten off the coast of Egypt. There were cyber sharks, can point out a couple of things in the news just a few days ago that yeah just

happens. They really fast before even get into this, where there is some weird serendipity occurring with this show right now and we will go into all of it. But then, we're going to record this episode last week. Nor was it to be able to be here and something came up in my personal life where we weren't, we were not able to record thing then, over the weekend there was reporting specifically about this thing, which blew my mind right yes, turning to the BBC in an hour ago released just a few days before we recorded this dossier. Finally, admitted it used pigeons, despite soviet forces in an operation nicknamed or code named rather too Qana an operation to Qana, fit these pigeon with these incredibly endearing tiny cameras right right on the breast area facing down a little rights as the pigeon is flying

The camera would automatically take photos of whatever was within line of sight. They didn't stop there to Canada. Also, trained ravens to deliver and retrieve objects up to forty grams from window cells of otherwise inaccessible buildings and legit. Really fast enough. The corner pigeons with those cameras eat something so fascinating. So, let's June? That it means the way it's the way? area pigeons. Would work back in the day. Pigeons would be taken from place a with wherever you're going right. If you are going to be in a caravan going somewhere you're going to another encampment somewhere yeah you care a pigeon that had the home of a? U go to place, be Europe that pigeon it be with a message. It carries it back to its home in a right, so they do something very similar where they would train the pigeon Have a home in place, a then is

leave me imagine, drawing a straight line to place be and in between those two places. Would let's say a russian facility. Our soviet facility back in that during the cold war in between directly between those two places, and they would release them from place, be it would fly over this facility to a ton of pictures again, you'd release, probably multiple or several of them take a ton of pictures, as is going back to its home capture. The stuff it was a brilliant plan and they are actually doing what's the mechanism for taking the pictures. That little camera we're talking about remotely likes the other, actually now timing, the duchess automatic sort of like the bat by years of old school. Exactly so if they fly over something that is not worth photographing, there still gonna get a bunch. Shots right. They also had

ravens you're, tired, all yeah man. So, ok, these flashing red laser beam to mark a target and a special way up, was used to sort of train the bird to come back. According to the BBC article and at least one occasion in Europe, the CIA delivered in IE, dropping device by bird via this raven mechanism to a window, although there was audio picked up from the targets, so they got the bird to do. It is there's no one talks about anything important in the room where

happened, so the CIA also look into whether migratory birds could be used to detect chemical weapons. There were some short there's: the illegal allude to trials where there was some kind of electric brain stimulation to guide dogs remotely, and there was a project to put listening devices into a cat stuff, gown ugly, real quick, but I did want to end on a lighter note. I hope this is this. Lighter. Are you talk about? This is lighter than no tricks. No, it's ok! No tricks! There is an incredibly adorable thing that will call the Otter dossier an otter dossier. Ok, I don't know us it is a red. Like a book report, it's called a dossier on Looter the Otter and it this came out of a freedom of Information ACT quest. This reads: kind of like a book report by someone working

in the intelligence agencies for Uncle SAM who just really loves, otters and is trying to find a reason for people to use them in experiments. Looter the otters, a compact power full, intelligent, animal capable of negotiating land, water and obstacles with great facility, and it goes on to talk about how much this person this anonymous author, loves, otters. Ah, you can read it on. You can read it online for free to its when the more pleasant things insult yet GEO cities. FBI, sick, honour, fan, fiction picture. They very well put yeah. I've really thought John Street. Do acoustic kitty acoustic. It is the herald, tail kind is arguing that the one where they installed and implants into the kiddies brain, basically right, yes, very inhumane bad times and a double most there were listening devices inside the cat, or that was the thou

least the plan rights due to release a bunch of these cats were listening devices physically inside the rhetoric, but then they tested at one time the the kitty tat? They put it in immediately jumped out into the road and smash like are, unfortunately, the looters. Usually sleep, sign it with his arms folded and it likes to sleep with humans. I need someone that has a cuddly tummy, it's all, but that man seriously and then it's a never pause Fine or leaving, as you were, kennel and order which has enjoyed any human. Companionship were freedom area its first. He just wants an otter body, while the basic that you know what I mean is that reading sections of this report. If you ever feel down go check out at all

here on Lou and do please let us know what you think about these allegations of animal spies. What we're finding is that While the timeline for later this stuff may not match up the pure potential, the technology is, is there in some cases right, we in there is now an historical, deep classified trail of the CIA using animals, for these means exerting pretty closely towards being in a suspect. A lot of places doesn't mean it's true, especially the later ones and, like you said when you can't divorce some of those feelings that occurring in regions with the reality ass. It is tough to do that, yeah absolutely and that's why we want to hear from you. Let us know what you think about this: do you think there is any sand to these

Furthermore, if you had to pick and animal that we cooperate with you and in aspiring Can I animal which a pick and why you can let us now? I'm pretty sure. At least a few of us took honey, badgers, write them absolutely gonna, be on this point, the modern our true enough, but you met. I mean I, I would say honey badger if I can have a free honey badger. They would be my team and do stuff and we wouldn't be Jim. Does he doesn't give a nun? That's the whole point, though. He wouldn't he wouldn t F for me one of the key with J F about you, how he would you be my boy? Ok, Brazil. We would have to do this by gas with an animal, may well attack in eviscerate us and the only thing

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