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dropped in everybody uses them men, you know. Sometimes you have coffee breath that it's all good. Sometimes you have Coca COLA breath. My strategy by the way is a pretty specific. With this, I try to stay away from the MIKE Neil. I wanna get right right, yes, visit length, voice over YAP, try to stay away from the MIKE New. I wanna get right right at yesterday's length voice over YAP and, additionally, one could argue we will look at podcasting as a rich. Were right, that what you- and I are doing now is incantation because we do spend you and I especially, have spent a lot of time.

Behind the scenes are off air off camera, saying you, but were how? Should we approach an idea structure? It is there a power in formula in ritual in right, and we think there is near at least to an extent rearing away, because it you expected you as a person receiving a ritual and- and this sort Orient incantation like this- I don't know it's it's almost as if it triggers a thing that is already implanted in your brain, the pathways that are already there, because you kind of know what it is. But then it's gonna open up new pathways that are connected to that one right. That's a question that my one ask yourself long time. Listening friends and neighbours, have we pray?

do you have we programmed you to anticipate certain stimuli and respond in certain ways? Yes, yes, Susie, I think, is the first time It is welcome to the show of evening, enjoy it before you jump into today's topic. We want to start with a quick quote that kind of sets up, maybe them the framing of mind for some of the people who think in the same way, these characters quote today. The world does not turn from God, because it is a dollar tourists. Rather, it pursues pure atheists em so as to put science on the altar, and that's from Father Gabriel M Worth, and he is someone we will get to a little later. Net.

Well, what do you think of when you hear the word exorcism? I see images from film and television, mostly film movies, the exorcist in particular, I have very vivid images of a body rising off of a bed of vomit coming from a mouth of discoloured face that is possession in particular and then, when I think of exorcism, I think of holy water and I think, of reading from a Bible reading the word of God other symbolically crosses artifacts of that sort, sure bibles yeah vestment Yes, the touching of hands? I that's what I see a very Hollywood version of exorcism agreed ill and I believe that that something com,

No, you didn't alot of people, with least in the west. We hear the term exorcism, we think of. As you said, Hollywood a good horror, films. We hackers, most of us haven't experienced true exorcism or what would be it. A real exorcism right at least do that in that specific Catholic, yes, framework wreck in the past, on this very issue- almost four years ago to the day, while He covered the phenomenon of exorcism in general, along with how it differs across time and cultures will give a brief background of exorcism in possession here and for more in depth. Information. Please check out our earlier episode. Exorcisms, an introduction, not the most creative title, you know that's exactly what it was, though it was a pretty good job. I really like that episode

I can listen to it and I was surprised not not their expected it to be terrible, the twenty fourth, he was such a long time ago now, you're just learning what the show was ready. We heard like priest, Doug Dinner for ok, we're gonna. Let that analogy go so here the facts. The brief background, broad strokes, stuff not now will give you here is: the following. The practice of exorcism predate the existence of Abrams Religion, Judaism Islam, Christianity, all of it. This stuff was old beans by the time. Jesus Christ or Moses, or any of the other religious. Here's my course, Mohammed Insulin, anybody else came into the deep folder desire guise of spiritual belief, love it

concept of some kind of spirit entering a corporeal body. Somehow and taking it out yeah non consensually and during the nine can centrally pools by that the story of Jesus Christ casting spirits into pigs, came about or by the time your people heard, that story, whether they heard it in oral tradition, whether they Bruno witnessed it themselves or whether they read about it. Centuries millennia later the concept exorcism would have already been more than familiar to the audience in ancient scenario in Babylon, exorcist already played common rules somewhere between that of a priest and a doctor in its it's pretty fascinating, because the

rituals from what we know. Of course, a lot of this is lost the time or publicly available. Knowledge has the last time rituals would vary, but they still. I'd on artifacts techniques, in as you said that the main goal was to drive out a spirit they might not have used. The word demon, maybe more like Spirit, a spirit. Yet again, nonconventional user, probably of a bad nature and negative nature, right, this could be in some. Cases this could be a human spirit, a ghost right an angry ancestor in other cases, though, no way that's more familiar, Thus, now, in the modern day, it would be so

Never was human yeah, a monster from another plain kind of exact and they would concoct these magical substances or push he's relics and artifacts composed of animals or plant serb Euro different stones that were thought to have them various powers in the world of sympathetic, magic, word, the iron from meteors reads fly. Our animal hair birds were big in this time, and bird still are symbolically hugely important right. Oh yeah, there they found a possess more. They have been for a long time to possess some kind of supernatural power, specially white owls white and you have to imagine that image would be

Lordling in a way- and I guess you can- you can just imagine viewing one just perch outside a window or something your perched outside of a home just sitting there in a tree and gazing. No, we have both lived outside of urban areas in the past is right, and I believe I believe, all has as well. I have to admit even even someone without knolls crippling fear of all things avian when I expect Did we see a large, predatory, burger? That's a double take moment. I'm gonna same startled, not frightened. Usually that for a law time. Now I've been a bit too large for the average bird to attack, but

Have you ever been in a situation where you hear a slight rustling turned to the left and there's the hawk her falconers then have to really fast or yeah I so the other day I was driving to work in the morning. It was very foggy outside it and it was there I posted on our instagram couple of pictures of Atlanta in this heavy misty fog, conspiracy, stuff, chauffeur, your father has well, as I got to stop sign in my neighborhood. I looked at my right and I see I'm not really sure what is it first and then I realized Oh, it is a large brown hawk, very large about the size of a cat, a large cap, and it has its wings wrapped around something it sitting or standing on the ground, and something is like some kind of twitching and

being underneath its wings, and you can see it kind of readjusting itself and then it opens its wings a little bit. It sends its beat down really fast around the neck of this squirrel, that it's got trapped in it and then is holding down still, and I swear it looks up in it looks like My car, as I just stop just stare out for a little while it stares at me, and then I go all moving on driving carefully, just in case This is an omen of some sort and the other one is in my back yard. It's a fenced in area. There is a family of large owls and I didn't realize that, until one I took my small dogs interior mix now on the backs of the Bathroom Buddy Buddy, and I heard a sound that I was unfamiliar with I did know what type of Verde was. I didn't know anything I just knew was a large bird, and it was just above me in this large oak tree was it

a vocalize asian you are. You hurt organization that I cannot reproduce and always sounded like a curse word yes, but if it was so eerie- and I didn't know it alone- I got this powerful flashlight out of my house- shine it up, and it was just this huge owl perched on this tree, and it was again like just staring down at the source of light at me in the feeling even now in then, twenty seventeen was of dread of some sort. You and don't be fooled by the vocalize Asian either, because owls or some of the quietest predatory bird's eye can completely understand where you're coming from an that's, so cool that you lived, because you know your chances having any sort of rude and problem have just yes bottom, that very, very true. We thus enough on owls

oh yes, yes, yes, there's nothing, then things like ravens would be thought to be messengers. Yes, owls also but those were more associated in these ancient times and summarily at least with insidious powers, the powers of darkness and death and decay and evil right, whereas rate ravens like bad news but owls, just the messenger owls were terrible, then of move coursing through the probably see this we vote the idea of water water symbolise the presence of ear, the God of Water, so it was often sprinkled on the victim of a possession during incantations to symbolise the cleansing of the victor Bright, the influence of the God of Water, taking away the contamination of this evil spirit.

Symbol. We see with modern day baptisms right exactly holding one spittle by the way was especially important. It was thought to be a potent toxin. When used against demons, not settle saliva. Well so, that's why several ancient takes referred is sorcerer priest as Cosu, however, Pronounced, which was arabic for two points, and in this Marian equivalent was meant. Saliva were spittle, the idea being that poison demons and, as you pointed out many, the vestiges of these older practices can be seen. Exorcism rituals and rights around the world today incantations the use of defied or holy water. The use of animals in relics, In this episode for thee, strange phenomenon will examine today we're going to focus on catholic priests

it concerning exorcism. So what We are asking the catholic Church were hanging out with Pope Francis ask him: what's exorcism, what does he say? He's gonna, say the act of driving out or warding off demons or evil spirits from persons places or things which are believed to be possessed or infested by them, or are liable to become victims or instruments of their malice and that's according to the Catholic Encyclopedia right that does sound like there would be a bit of a complex sent in structure to generate off the domed. While the treatment of this perceived condition, spiritual possession may vary from one culture to the next idea, is extraordinarily common, as we discussed our previous episode throughout history and gist of it is pretty much

same across time, culture and space and evil, typically non corporeal entity or nonphysical entity invades a physical vessel in horror, homes or horror stories. This is often a person, often a kid who turns really creepy or an elderly person. Because those two ends of the mortality cycle of humanity or the things it psychologically tend to creep people out the most. Yet I am in a way, are the weakest parts of that Belcour. That's a great point. That is a really great point. Also, however, places or objects may be considered infected. There's an excellent article on our parent website house of works. It's called how exorcisms work and did they break down some of the approaches that the cap

church takes exorcisms. This article by the way is solely based on Catholicism, and we can stress it enough exercise. Possession it is not a catholic thing alone. It's just something like if you hear about it here in the: U S, you are most likely going to hear about it through lines. Anyhow. According to this, the catholic church recognises not one but several types of exorcism and some of them may surprise you you're the first one is baptismal. Exorcism in this is when you bring an infant like a baby prior to being officially baptize into the church, you bring it into the church, the cleansing of the evil resulting from its original sin. Is dark away, but it's also the least worrisome of the types of exorcism

Someone is simple exorcism, and this is more of a blessing really then pulling things out of it so much guessing away, but you're your blessing place or thing. So a physical object to read it of some kind of evil infestation right right, and you see similar, that this sort of thing well qualified as exorcism something that you would see in other cultures. Perhaps the idea that you may have heard from some college roommates in the past him earning siege to a place because something bad happened. There then, of course, there is real exorcism The the real deal, the one we all here about performing the capital are right of capital e exorcism to rid living human being. A possession by diabolical enter,

and that brings us to another question: how do you know whether someone's being possessed? How can tell the difference when someone is just being a real, a whole versus someone who's become an unwilling vessel for infernal forces of those on the left hand and darkness, ranked according to the church There are several tell tale, saw things of demonic possession that anyone can sense in general, you don't have to be a member of the clergy to notice it. Things speaking or understanding languages, which the person has never learned its different from speaking and tongue.

Gloss Laelia, because that is believed to be indicative of religious ecstasy. Now, whereas speaking in fluent aromatic or something is considered to be a sign that years, there's a different entity at the wheel of your mind, the other traditional speaking in tongues is it's just gibberish Doesn't it's not actual formations of words or sentences? Generally then, there's knowing or somehow revealing things that the person has no way of knowing it just if it was regular times in his person just was existing in their life. There's no way they could have known this clear of what yes, yes, in the physical strength beyond the person's natural physical make up, which is an interesting thing, because we know

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yeah yeah? That's that's really appointment, because one thing that you notice is that even the people who you know that the pew- I refer to them as pseudo sceptics who were so ends. The idea of being a sceptic that they have severely crippled their ability to apply critical thinking. Even even those people have a huge interest in the concept ripe. I'd entertaining in horror, action right and it's also fascinating. Just from an anthropological perspective, re, oh yeah, I'm willing would the quote. We had the tablet, It seems in this world of science in which we exist right now, then exorcisms should have just been asked by the wayside, and they most certainly haven't.

Exactly a modern science often proposes that historical cases of exorcism can be attributed a number of different Monday cause it pleading things like mental mental health issues that would not have been recognised in the same framework through which we recognise them today, stuff like schizophrenia, ripen, possibly dementia dances or even arguably, in the case of the elderly, all timers I've anything that seems to dramatically change. Ones, behaviour, their emotional state or distress them other undiagnosed, unrecognised diseases genetic. Visions and then the more complex the mortal likes phenomenon of social pressures or behaviour running in contravention

social mores, norms and values of the time are you do you feel wanting it would happen and patriarchal societies right? Are you a woman who doesn't want to be in this arranged marriage? You must be possessed by the devil How else would you have a problem with this? It's not you it's this deem in that you shouldn't Mary, this fifty year old man in your twelve. It must be, it must be called the priest. Sir, How far do we take this idea today, though, are there literally modern exorcisms and the catholic church. Spoiler, yes, of course, but if so, How seriously does the church take them? Here's where it gets crazy. Can like we said, while exorcism might seem like this artifact of some new, no, the bloody We just history that we Humanity has experienced it still taken

berry seriously by the catholic church, more usually, in fact, in recent decades than it had been prior to that, the Is this thing that this up it is really all about called the International Association of Exorcist. In Let's talk about it! This a roman Catholic Organization in it sounds ancient. It sounds like something that would have been created in the fifteen hundreds of sixteen hundreds or something but know it. It sounded until the year nineteen ninety and there were six priests got together, include Father, Gabriel, am worth with the court at the top of the show in Father, Jeremy Davies Ray Father Gabriel M worth is someone that we touched upon in a couple of previous episodes. He was born in nineteen, twenty five exorcist for the diocese of Rome he claimed to have.

Performed, I believe overall hundred and sixty thousand pounds, exorcisms woe yeah during is now he was a priest for decades and decades. He was often called by reputable new sources. The Vatican's chief exorcist, which is more I think we have me said that as well. It turns out that more the translation, because he is exercise for the diocese of Rome, but he's not he he wasn't. There is not some sort of joint chiefs of staff. Exorcism in Rome and yet he's not the guy with the most stars or the biggest appalache or whatever he was a priest for you.

For some years before he became an official exorcist and that something we see with a lot of catholic priest yeah. It's it's not something that people enter into on their first day of seminary. He was a priest in eighteen, fifty four and he did not become an exorcist until nineteen. Eighty six under the tutelage of candle, I'm antennae- I he loved, the film the exorcist there. I thought that was fascinating. He loved it because he thought it was substantially correct, does based on true events, and he thought Special effects were exaggerated, but the key picture shrugging going thirty year over the movie, so he indefensible

He said that I was in your view with the London Sunday Telegraph and he stressed that people need to know what we do. We in this sense being exorcist the difference that the different claims of the number of exorcisms that emerald conducted. The reason for that difference is that there's no central database the amount of exorcisms either performed per year, performed in total blight. We we can make some guesses on some of the stuff later, but that's where you hear his numbers differing in October, two thousand

reported. He performed over fifty thousand exorcisms twenty ten. He said the number of seventy thousand, but by May two thousand thirteen he said he performed a hundred and sixty thousand over the course of his career. I in important note here, as you said there different types of exorcism yeah, so that can count everything from praying for a bad place to be cleansed of some sort of influence to the stuff. You would see film, the exorcist. So this guy, who has you know had already by the year. Ninety ninety had a lot of experience with exorcism he and his buddies, his compatriots along with german Davies. They form this organization and their only six people at this time. Then by the year two thousand. There are over two hundred members of this association and the purpose of it in totality was

to increase the number of official exorcist across the world which is I guess something you'd want to do if this is a problem that you see and father and hoped that, Distance of this organisation will shed light on what he saw as this growing and often ignored problem, which was demonic, possession real demonic. Possession and also a lack of priests with the knowledge and authority to perform the rights of exorcism important point here with fat phenomenal growth from ninety ninety, to two thousand so from over the course of ten years, went from six. The two hundred men is it still was not formally acknowledged, were approved of by the actual roman catholic church until twenty fourteen. But a lot of stuff was happening in the interim because of those two hundred members interests

I was in several went to a national meeting of exorcise organised in two thousand for by the Archbishop of Mexico City, Cardinal Norbert all, Rivera cut era. The purpose of this meeting was to fight back against what they as the spread of Satanism discuss ways in which to use the word of God to denounce everything that is going to die, which isn't just its everything. Is similar to the approach that and I say, or other post nice Evan intelligence agencies take toward rooting out terrorism. Nothing it gives national secured national scary, probably a better way to put it so, its anything loosely associated, is its soul mentality where, on everybody's plain, six degrees of Kevin Bacon, but now it six degrees, there six degrees of Satan. So it's not whether

it's, not whether something is open associated with what they see as the powers of darkness with their of aid by its practitioners right, like most people using a wager board are probably just playing a game from Parker Brothers rent. Maybe maybe but in this way there there same whether, regardless of whether the practitioners of the audience feels this is an infernal thing we are going. In bad it. We are going to root out every piece of possible influence that might be coming through these outlet. So what? What kind of stuff is this everything from witchcraft to magic two occultism fortune, telling the new age movements of using crystals for healing, even masonry out an important its Freemasonry not just bricklayer or you cause- I don't know, churches are building

yeah, I guess it home hitting itself was attended by over five hundred people. Most of these people are priests. They were from all across Mexico, All of them were somehow involved with exorcism, whether you know they were new to the game or seasoned veterans, the cardinal Correira, other notable guests included, as we kind of mentioned before Father Mario Angle or angel floor RE. Do he was the director of theology at the department of the pontifical firstly of Mexico, fathers Karla Grim, Lazo, the president of the International Association of exorcise at the time? So he the the President of the association that we d, earlier you also had father Gabriel, am worth the founder of that association, or one of the founders of that association

is the driving force of your President, America's yeah sure. So, there's a big question: the comes up here and oh before we get to a distant to paint sum of father and more Ths character This is an unrelated story found in our research that I that I think is worthwhile ok sue. Their Gabriel M Worth, was not just a not just in exorcist rhyme. Personally, just an exercise, those guys they won't you, they will really must appear weakened, just He saw the was not was not merely they exercise through or did not, relegate his integrity. Your sense of purpose solely to these ideas

he also. He also fought against what he saw as corruption within the Vatican itself, he famously in two thousand and twelve attempted to Oh, the whistle on one of the Vatican's most enduring mysteries, which was the disappearance of a child named a manual or Lundy in eighteen. Eighty three she disappeared. She was fifteen years old child in the Vatican, employee ends. It became a mystery that was never going to be solved. And people had made various claims about it. In two thousand five, an anonymous caller to an italian crime show on TV said that you could find.

Evidence what happened to her in the tomb of a mobster who has gone down by rival gangsters in the nineties, but in two thousand and twelve Father, a moth said that the girl was abducted by people within the Vatican and part of the establishment who had a sexual motive to the crime that she was forced to take part in although these parties- oh- and he has a quote here- the network involve diplomatic personnel from a foreign embassy to the holy see. I believe a manual a holy see being the Vatican I will. Meanwhile, I ended up a victim of this circle. I he told this to an italian newspaper called Le Stamper and.

He dismissed the various points It's going round. There was something some sort of wet work, black backs up between intelligence agencies or that it was attached to the mafia saw this. Was a guy who took a stand for things that he felt strongly about? and was not afraid to make enemies which seem to me that he may have been a divisive figure in a place like the Vatican, which definitely practices its own sort of America or Code of silence. When it comes to these crimes yards ISA, I went out there. I know it's a bit of a dream it, but it is porn because I do think it it painters character as a man unafraid to speak truth to power, which is not a rare trait in

modern world and historically has been a very rare trait. Now But that aside, those are bona fides to me in regard to his character, even though obviously not gonna, I don't agree with the person. I've never met the person sailing agree with every they stand for what they say. But I am impressed when someone does their best to speak truth to power and leads us to ask a question, Why did this man denies this international association. Why did you travel to Mexico City? Why did he begin to recruit? A country that later became an army of exorcist. What's the big deal, it will explore it right after a quick word from our sponsors. Here's the thing: saving money with Geico was almost better than playing pick up basketball because there's always that guy joint your game,

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but were able to make some guesses about general trends based on reports from these associated organizations, influential priests like a moth himself or Grandma Lazo and the reports of exorcise serving in specific arch diocese for supper. Decades in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries reports of possession in you no requests for exorcisms had been on the decline they ve been do sing in number because for years, after the roman Catholic churches, second Vatican, council, or what they called Vatican too. That was actually move. Everybody at our job uses our jerk here where will it resulted in new church practices like the official church practices that were deemed compare bull the contemporary world and in this case, with this Vatican it was taboo for priest to speak of Satan as if a a fish

or a Satan, actually existed. Rights so not say as a real thing, Satan as a metaphor for the struggle to grow closer together, that was a nineteen sixty two there roughly around round their thousand two sixty five. However, in the more recent decades as we're getting closer to today, exorcism request didn't just start to grow. They didn't you in just a little bit on the scale these by to weigh up especially here in the United States, as well as in the United Kingdom in cultural scholars. Wool often argue that this rise coming out of the veto, possibly what you could see, as these spike would be the premier of the exorcist, which became a huge black bustard at nineteen. Seventy three, along with subsequent satanic panic that occurred here in the United States and elsewhere in the late nineteenth

it is a nineties where just interest in the scary parts of possession interests in belief that maybe they're Satanism occurring in the town where you live, where groups of people are getting around too ship Satan and hold rituals into the true believers. However, this is signal of something much larger at play in this. Rise was such that as of twenty. Sixteen, despite formation of the International Association exorcist, the Catholic Church was having serious problems, fielding all requests for exorcisms. As many of the older exorcist, were aging out or dying Many of the newer, less experienced priests were frightened of enacting the rights and again This is a serious stuff in this world. These these,

visuals will be priest for decades before they tackle their first real exorcism, quoting quote to use the description in how exorcism works. Yet again, a fantastic I'll go my house of words. I did not write it, so I feel fine bragging about it. It was written by Julia, leading who always does wonderful work, there's two of the most prominent exorcist in the United States following Father, Gary Thomas and falling in Father, Vincent Lampert. Note that it's not the church demanding more exorcisms, which it can do right. It was uncharged orders that mother Teresa was actually exercise before her death, but rather the people, the lay folk and Father Lambert's experience only one out of every five thousand or so request

is someone afflicted by a full, demonic, possession He does say, however, that is conducted, countless exorcisms, related to demonic obsession, demonic, vexation and demonic. S station near you. Also. You also hear demonic oppression, amongst those terms where it's it's slightly different. Those different things going on, but it's not a human being that has a demon inside of them any cigarette out, ok rights or some kind of external. Other times. Example they assume so maybe maybe there might be a fiscal malady, you're being influenced in some way. Sure rang. Any father. Limpid also says that half the calls he receives are from nine Catholics who, in this

This is interesting. This is a point that we need to make in defence of the catholic churches process here in our defence of the church, over all of course, but there's a pretty rigorous system built for thee. Analysis of a initial possession report, because they can The church and the exorcist in the church are trained to come at this from a very sceptical play, ass, the first thing they will do is is to insult. Is everyone else to find any other cause with people of science where we're talking about shouldn't realities or a year of people's psychologist? Coming and make sure there's nothing else going on missing,

twill physician, make sure there's no other malady, and I have to say that that part of this whole process does make me. I don't know think there might be a little more sand to it because of the church itself, as an organization is saying or we're, gonna weed out the stuff that isn't actually possession will and also to be objective about it, decay we sure, she's such a massive organisation that if there were not some sort of filtration system it would, it would just be inundated Natalie things and it already it already is. We think about the donations donation, donations, mandatory Nels, another saying if you charged, if you had mandatory donations for the performing the rights of exorcism, and you have that many

requests coming in areas that is diabolical Let us hear heroines heralding thing: oh boy, you're fired Gabriel Emeralds would not approve. Ah, he has passed from this mortal playing there. The organization and the Association of Exorcist rather still exist, and the current president would probably also disagree. Here we have some quotes from him, Father Francesco by he says quote when listening to. Prior to the virgin. The demon shows all of his hatred and fear toward her. He is forced to confirm that Mary is the mother of God and the church intercede for humanity. Satan is not the God of EVIL against the God of Good, rather he,

being who God created as good and who, with some angels, also created good by God, became evil because they refuse to God in his kingdom, with their free and final choice. Satan in the spirits at his service, therefore, are not omnipotent beings. They cannot perform miracles, they are not on the present. They cannot know our thoughts or the future just to know that that is a man speaking in two thousand. Sixteen, the the current president of the International Association exorcise truly believes at least himself indeed, fairly large organization that he represents and heads believes that that is true. Then that is a problem that humanity must be must continue to deal with And they very much believe both Monday and a more when it was lie. Very much believe that ie.

That said, it is, it is a real thing right that a more also in regard to the sexual scandals and corruption rocking Vatican, he he believed there was evidence of corruption by the Anti Christ. So deep foretold and much feared force of Satan embodied on the planet right, he thought I was real and there both of these, both both of these individuals and many of the people serving in the International Association of Exorcist, believe that. This rise in possession arise and reports of it in an increasingly secular world, come about in.

Reaction to in relation with the division between spirituality and science knows, as as we said in this quote, so are people more likely to be possessed too see that would us would require us to say the possession itself is real or something like, or are people just searching for some sort of spiritual explanation that they find lacking increasingly on spiritual world at the end, uncertain times and uncertain times no getting married at the time of this recording exorcism continue to be on the rise for the more sceptical. Crowd or those who wooden subscribe to the idea of Catholicism, warm the Catholic perspective, an exorcism

This indicates hysteria or failure to recognise the difference between a good popcorn, worthy horror, flick and the facts for the trouble. Rivers, however, the late father, a moth among them. This is endemic of something else, something larger, something very dangerous and all to frighteningly real. It is important to say that he is not alone or was not alone, nor were his colleague. Other organizations have formed to combat the rising tide of alleged possession the rising request for exorcisms there's the Pope LEO the twelfth institute based in no walkie, which was founded in twenty twelve, to support the quote: spiritual formation of priests, bring the light of Christ to dispel evil well, yeah, listening it started. Is this just a series of

things informal meetings at the request of bishops in the United States it wanted. They were training, really they needed more people who could perform exorcism, so they wanted to education and training, and it was just. It's also responds to Pope Saint John Paul II. Hence, recommendation that every single diocese should have an appointed exorcist. A spokesperson with the United States Bishops Conference said, although ideally, every diocese should have its own. Exorcist there are no statistics kept by the church to the actual the factual numbers of how many exorcise there actually are. There also classes in courses offered by the church on exorcism in the catholic church just actively been training experience, priest in the nuts and bolts of exorcism. How.

Evaluate a case from day one, how do request permission and ultimately, if need be, how to act out how to enact the right here and On a side no, for this we We also acknowledge that, while we have focused on the catholic churches, efforts to combat this rise in exorcism west. They are not alone in the game. Other christian denominations evangelical as well, have also begun conduct combating what they see as a rise in possessions in spiritual afflictions, from demonic forces. This is a rising tide across things, were I guess what we're emphasising here. This is not a matter of three

early or six elderly priest high up in arrogant social hierarchy who were able to push through something that they were interested in, like that high level executive, its Sony who is able to push through psychic experiments, Yeah right and this this since, in the end, after some of these folks who passed away and we want to ask you we want to end with a question here is

action or something like it real, and do you think that these spiritual interpretations of it are accurate, or do you think they are a cultural framework on something else? And if so, what then? What's the closest you have come to experiencing a possession or exorcism? They? Who have you been looking peered through a door and seen one? Have you been a part of one new I've? We would love to hear your stories and then perhaps More importantly, I won't speak for you map from from. I am more importantly, wise it on the rise, because that's the spooky is thing whether or not you believe in this. Whether or not you are catholic. What you are spiritual in any remote. Sixty Kevin Bacon sense of the term

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