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regarding our latest update on covert nineteen. I- and we appreciate these chickens. We We want to hear from you as well. Is you specifically, you are the most important part of the show I let's let's check in with each other, no Matt Paul hi guys doing much. The same, a pretty ok Ella Visa live issue. It is my mind immediately, went to well at least we're alive, so there maybe, where the issue part comes and yeah. But I don't I feel like I'm with you, I feel of euro. Individual warmth emanate from my screen. And honestly, I look forward to this kind of is the thing the breaks up the monotony and feels like real human contact but maybe this is the new the new way, but if it is I'm ok with that, because we can hang out yes Things are going pretty well over here. My wife recently had a quarantine birthday

we were able to utilise the the old hang out for that which was really nice. We know did just getting like you said, no getting to see your face and here a voice of someone familiars really comforting right now, but I would counter that with I was forced. It was necessary for me to take a trip physically grocery store just momentarily and the anxiety that I felt just walking near any a person, it's pretty harrowing that we then I feel that personally and I I'm assuming we all are feeling that at this moment, so I would just say: connect with whoever you can virtually No, it's interesting ligament, even they taking walks like I'm going to the park in trying to get out and stuff, and I live near bearded park and people are keeping their distance and being respectful, but there is weird feeling when you're passing a little too close to somebody where you almost look at them suspiciously or

hold your breath even like crossing the other side of the street. We imports that are not used to feeling and it's a very alien thing for me, but I'm kind of having to get used to it, which I don't want to get to it, and I know I don't know how to describe him. Probably the last mode of transport that will remain open for most people in the United States is going to be the automobile. I you know, like God, domestic flights. Will you get increasingly sparse right? I think delta. For instance, has maybe a ten percent demand for flights. Now, a lot of international borders are clues. For maritime and air traffic, but here in the U S, we still have

the the amazing capacity to literally wake up, and if you want drive across an entire continent, it's tough to do it in a day, but you can drive from sea to shining see you won't be stopped at a state border you will have to. You know, apply to enter main, for instance, for California. I mean this country is so huge that many, U S, residence, the four of us included, have never been to all fifty states this. This is amazing and unusual. The! U S is a car. Culture, and people are appreciating it more and more now many of our fellow listeners have been. You know getting cabin fever and driving out to rural areas, just to get some vitamin d from sunshine. Just

the out and around nature. But today's question is: will this continue to be the case? The car the opportunity afforded to us by automobile is, is a tremendous amount of freedom, but will big brother get under your hood? Here are the facts? Auto manufacturers are increasingly moving vehicles online, if you buy a car that was made in ballpark the last eight years, or so you, Probably have any number of neat electronic capabilities right like touch screens bored satellite navigation. These customized bespoke updates the music, you like the podcast. You listen to the news that at some a higher algorithm thinks you prefer. I know that to us recently bought vehicles, nor you up but a vehicle awhile back

one now. I finally had to say goodbye to my Monte, Carlo and I sat when it when I sat in my current vehicle for the first time I felt like I was in the future. Are you just touch stuff in things? happened. That's amazing! You know I went from not having like power windows to all the sudden. Having this thing that will You know kind, a nanny state me if, if it thinks I'm backing up in too aggressive a manner, we wait. What are you guys experiences when you're driving off, then you're bearing the lead. What kind of carnage again and even then I know about this- I refuse to discuss, these areas. I I have a Ford escape. Oddly, I run perhaps apt, the car name in these are troubled Times play C of room for your bug out bag to in the back of a forest, escape love that have a Honda Fit which you know a little less room

then escape US dollars and myself have back and plenty of room for Roma dirty laundry, an empty Jim by which I have pledged, to turn into a bug. Out back over. There are beset I'm going to take our own advice but yeah it as the first ever had a backup. Camera first ever had a car very digitally, driven for sure Nook about and it is an adjustment, is convenient, but as we can this topic they were going to see that there are some potential, various possibilities that can go along with that. This is this is an idea that I they you thought up. First Matt, I mean not the idea of digitally connecting cars by you. You raise the issue that this is a growing concern for lot of people its convenience, but it's also a concern. You know anybody who has a web connected car is encountering These Nido Digital

capabilities, but were also seen the capability to limit the performance of a vehicle such as engine governance. Right. That's an old technology, for instance, people in the: U S and Latin America, doubtingly no the blue bird school buses. You guys know Big, yellow hungers that, for some reason, still don't have seat belts I was about to say that was blowing my mind. How is that? Okay, if the driver has a seatbelt- which I think is weirdly on fair and not reassuring, but those those engines have governors switches on them, meaning they can't wild, June itself can power the vehicle to go at a pretty high rate of speed. There are safeguards put in to prevent it from reaching that speed, and you can you

can engineer vs software limits on your engines, performance if, for instance, I you don't want your view goal to go over eighty miles per hour, for instance, if, if you want to keep it at a certain speed for blood, say, economical concerns or safety concerns, the fort escape that I have, for example, has something called my key technology and when you, when you have this limit programmed in depth which do you use the the touch screen right get around seventy nine miles an hour. The touch screen or pop up and will say your speed is limited by the Mikey in an ideal world. This helps parents keep their kids.

Hot rod and around over the speed limit and street into offender bender. It also helps owners of fleets manage their individual vehicles from truck companies to rental empires like hurts or something again in an ideal world. Remote control over your vehicle makes the world a safer place. We do not live in an ideal world. No, we don't imagine you know it. Secondly, church be of a stretch imagine if you would a world in which government Or even worse, a private entity can render your vehicle useless, absolutely brick! That thing The way a company might do that to your phone or in a rendering your phone obsolete as more and more updates come out the idea of planned obsolescence. Or in the same way as your view your game console or pc. You know might start

to feel a little long in the tooth as a digital updates begin to out pace the hardware, Oh yeah, I'm in also. Imagine a world where a tiny little device connected up to you, vehicle, no matter how old it is to your on board diagnostics. Port could track all of your move. It where you ve ever been where you are right now, how fast your going imagine that some are you a little device could do that installed by anyone or on a very similar device that is just magnetically placed underneath your vehicle by who ever can see exactly where you are, where you're going at any time when you're going home when you're going to work all of your roots that you generally take Imagine that you'd only had to spend forty dollars to us

One would only have spent forty dollars to know exactly what you do every day and then you know We need that device any more because of the technology were discussing here it. Already inside your vehicle, if you ever newer one the big question here is: how are we going? to balance the freedoms that we hold so dear. It like, like we said at the top, be able to just drive wherever you want. Whenever you want, because you are a purse who has freedom, arena, balance that with all of these new technologies and possible control mechanisms that are being developed and are already in place ask yourself: how long can you drive when and where you wish will tackle that question after a word from our sponsor, visible sort of stuff, they don't want. You to know is brow

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technology always out pieces legislation. Currently, governments around the world are scrambling to catch up with the things that your software in your car can do. In fact, these concerns have already reached the highest court in the United States back in January of twenty thirteen think about that. Seven years ago, the Supreme Court weighed in on GPS tracking of vehicles in a case called the United States verses Jones. Why? what happened there? What was the just? Well, let's list your been really quickly and just talk about those gps devices, so a single tiny, little gps device. There are so many of them out there on the market for their consumer level. Great again, there there fairly cheap their extremely effective

two tiny little device generally with a magnet on the bottom it goes or is placed most commonly, underneath the chassis her on the bottom of the chassis of a vehicle, the metal parts underneath and its placed there in my the cases by a private investigator or by a law enforcement officer. It will be pleased to track a person of interest whether its in it, fidelity case, or you know we're tracking, perhaps in narcotics, someone who is assumed to be within the narcotics trade. For any number of reasons you place this device underneath a vehicle and then that device is connected up through the same thing that your cell phone uses the same network. So your cell phone uses to connect everything and through the gps system and

It will tell that whoever is tracking that vehicle, exactly where it is where it's going, where it's been it. It just knows everything about that vehicle. Now, when there's this case are about to discuss, has to do, with what happens when someone finds a gps tracker on their vehicle, their personal vehicle right right exactly. There are a couple of different ways that these things, can work, there are real time up dangers and then there Also, I updated that just log transport end the tricky thing about those is that the person using that GPS device Hass, if it's not real time, updating they have to physically go and take the device back.

Get into a system and then download the information yeah, but generally the ones that are used now, even the cheapest ones. You they just connects to an app on a phone and its updates are being sent continuously exactly exactly the technology. Is there in this case and the twenty thirteen case of the United States Verses Jones police placed a gps tracker on the car on the chassis. Like you said, map of some one that they suspected was selling cocaine These suspected this person was selling cocaine because this person was selling cocaine. You know I'm not the chief justice, I'm not bound by the same rules of legality, so we can just say it the day they had probable cause. They are reasonable suspicion. You know what I mean it where they work just walking around parking lots going. I don't know now:

the civic looks like that spoilers suspicious, let's see what that guy's getting into the police had received a war. They were legally allowed to do this, but they were only allowed to do it. Under certain constraints, and they exceeded those constraints, they were to constraints first, They were only allowed to monitor this vehicle for a specific length of time and Secondly, they were only allowed to monitor it for a particular geographic region he went over the limit on both of those they exceeded the geography and they exceeded the length of time. The federal attorney argued that there is no expectation of privacy when you are travelling on public roads. It's kind of how you have no right to tell somebody not to take a photograph

of you if you are in a crowded public space. If you go to a park for a concert or something like that, and someone on stage takes a picture of the entire audience, then you do not have the right, because you were in a public space. You do not have the right to pull that photograph. You have no right to it. However. The Supreme Court with the defence attorney because the defence attorney claimed this was a violation of this clients. Fourth, amendment right and that the Fourth amendment again- the right against unlawful search and seizure. So they're saying this was a violation of personal privacy, despite the fact that this vehicle was travelling on public roads, that's crazy right that concept.

That you there's no expectation of privacy when travelling on public roads. I mean I get it. I think it is the knowing that when you're inside your vehicle- nor- I don't know if you feel this way, you feel. I think this is just a psychological thing that we discuss before in the show. You feel very much that you are in his private space yeah it's sort of an illusion of privacy, though isn't it? You are exactly aren't tinted windows even kind of illegal like it is not a thing passed, a certain tent. Oh yeah, I certainly sir, so that's almost I mean I again of the two ideas are intertwined, but you know there is expectation that law enforcement should be able see into your vehicle to make sure you're not doing anything illegal or I while you're driving? And you, though, that expectation of privacy is absolutely an illusion for sure yeah, so Here's another thing I want to bring up with you guys, ok, so in another case That happened pretty recently. This has to do with property rights

a man who was suspected of selling meth, also had a gps placed on his vehicle, and in this case the man discovered it asked ten days or somewhere around ten days and the you know, the police officers are true or getting all the information and true and then all of a sudden, the trackers, the gps stops putting out data. They suspect that the man has taken in have removed it from his vehicle, discovered it removed it. So they then get a warrant, another war it because he had to get one in the first place right to put the gps on his vehicle, they get another war it to search. I think it was his parents. House in the surrounding areas, like some of the surrounding areas to find the GPS B.

They were charging him with theft of property. No, if you found or been if you found a gps device on your vehicle, Do you remove it, or would you just leave it there? Now you put it on another vehicle, that's obvious! There's a business comes up a lot in breaking bad and better. I saw that they call them oh Jack. I think that's actually a brand, but I think is sort of like one of them popular like car tracker things that are used for theft, prevention, that individuals can buy or there may even come stock in certain cars, but they is that a lot in the show- and I wonder if it serves like calling- you know a Mimi again machine as Iraq, Sir, like you know, colonists, soda coke or something like that internet internet search, Google again www Jaguars first first commercially available and ask that that makes sense exactly so.

The two year to your question in reminds me of getting your car booted, for example, say: get your car boot it To me that is, you know, unjust seizure of my property is usually by private entity, rather than some long for seen and they put out to growing your window. The enough can tell you that the cause they come back and then you can pay them and they take it out. On the flip side, if I found some, play, something on my vehicle. I feel like it was

my right to remove. In the same way, it be my right to remove a boot if I was so inclined, but they, similarly, they would probably charged with destruction of property. If you remove why those yeah yeah- that's that's correct, we have to we have to note here. This will be important later in this episode. We have to note that both cases, medication brought up and the Supreme Court case mentioned earlier, both of them focus on crime. They don't focus on, for instance, a private investigator. That's where we get to a grey area right. We they dont focus, and maybe a jilted lover, or something like that. They dont focus on a helicopter parents, but all of those scenarios come into play. Currently, if Europe, if you are a

However, I and you have concerns about this first off you're, absolutely right, you're not crazy, to be concerned. But there is the law here in the: U S seems to be trending toward were side for now, but there are still serious questions. One of the first ones would be what about GPS vehicle tracking confined to a specific group like a? the fleet. Currently there are no federal laws and no state laws that expressly forbid the use of GPS vehicle tracking for commercial purposes. So you drive a Cisco truck and it's the company truck Then they can dig in track you they can do whatever they want, because not Europe is not your vehicle. You dry, like you, rent a car, for instance. Then your car earth of car, your

rising, can absolutely be monitored and theirs valid argument that it should cause. It's someone else's property, think about it like a work laptop or a work. Cellphone your employer can both monitor your usage of that device and if they desire they can flip a switch and restrict your capabilities. They give you if you are using a work phone. And putting any private data on there. It is. It is simply naive to it to think that is somehow still your data in the your company, your big brother, ever your corporate overlord is they have it legally have it now it was the same way of expectation of privacy and emails with work emails right I mean that you know it would

a bad look by the powers that be wished to do so they could find out what we discuss in our emails at work calmly. I hope so our ponder on fire and add a yet you're absolutely right. So why should a vehicle logically be any different? It shouldn't there's no valid case that a company car should be any different from accompany laptop, but let's take it away from that lets say it's not a vehicle that you're using for work. Let's go on a vehicle. Your renting, let's say you own a car, but you don't own it outright. You, like millions of other people in the world, are paying off a car loan. Let's say here in the: U S: you have the average monthly car payment just just right now, in twenty twenty, the average

Monthly car payment is gonna, be three hundred and eighty one dollars a month for a used car or a recently. A recent model used car. It's gonna be five hundred and thirty dollars a month, if you for some reason bought a new car? Why did you do that? Why did you buy a brand new car? That's as let's cut pass my car stuff TED talk, but please don't don't buy a brand new car, what happen if you can't make that payment, if you are three hundred and eighty one or five hundred and thirty dollars short for a month, will what happens then I mean, maybe you paid on time right. There were some kind of grim Lynne on the wings of the web, the interfered and whoever is in charge. Your loner, whoever your Lena holder? Is they don't see that payment in your system? What happens That's a good question me and you know it's the the classic model of says that they come in report. Are they sense?

when to your home or to your place of business to prepossess the car. But this would be a much more weekly executed more form of this and it could happen for a much less. Gracious infraction, who take a lot to get your car, but, like you said, Ben, if you miss one payment all of a sudden, they flip a switch ass for control, and you know you try to start up your car. Are you use your? What is it my key or whatever you're you kill a century and nothing happens you know they literally have put the cabbage on you driving your car because of what could very well the clerical error. Maybe stranded in the middle of nowhere in who knows me, I would hope that would be recourse that you could reach out and and sorted allowed by the air. That's absolutely possible cloak. Clunk, walk, walk

then happens when you try to get, we try to start even if you're in an emergency right. Imagine a message please, on your sound system, your cutesy touch screen pops up, and you are informed that this vehicle will not operate until payment is registered and of payment is not registered in x number of days. The lean holder will take possession of your vehicle. Should it be legal for that authority to automatically shot off your car, like, let's see you in escaping a disaster scenario, in order me what? If what? If this is a system in place when the next hurricane hits Louisiana, and someone is trying like hell to get out of the way of disaster, but because of three hundred and eighty one dollars there stuck there and the waters rising. I mean that's an extreme example but

possible I'll. Absolutely aid is in it extreme example, but it is creepy the to imagine it happening that way with the most common way. This occurs is that lets Eve purchased a vehicle from a smaller company, your site, you know a smaller car lot somewhere, that's probably used very often those vehicles will have a hidden GPS tracker attached to that vehicle and- very, very commonly, is what we are talking about before you're the same place where a lot of like. If you go your emissions tested, you're on board diagnostics, port were or o d to allow times. That's where, if you're going to get emissions, sometimes it you'll get someone plugging into that port. You're whoever's running your missions this will plug into their gets all information on your vehicle of what's occurring, the

Most common thing they will occur here is that the owner of a vehicle, the car lot, the car neo used car dealers will have something attached on that port and They will be able to track your vehicle wherever it goes in the case there outlining. Here. You miss a payment depending on what the contract looks like that you signed. So if you miss to payments, probably they be able to know exactly where your vehicle is at three. A m on any given day in a tow truck would be able to pick it up without you having any idea that had happened until until you see that empty parking spot right and it's gone, and this is this: Just the beginning, we're starting with a micro cosmic example. We're gonna we're gonna pause for a word from our sponsor and then we'll be back with the larger and perhaps more troubling implication:

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and we're back. So, let's go bigger. What about state control of vehicles? Smurfit encircling bigger? Let's go sigh five everybody get your movie voices on in a world etc. Member, those old scenes so common in tv in film, where there's this gun who police officer or detective and their chasing a bad guy and they get a they gotta catch up with the bad guy and they see usually in a film. It's like us, lick bad ass, nineteen. Seventy he's muscle, car, but the euro, the hour Dudley DO right, is changing a guy- and then they see somebody roll up in a cool car in their like get out, common during the vehicle, they hop in theirs, montage energy scene and everything ends with a with a happy note and they ve caught the perp

in a world where an authority can hop in to your car and then see the right past code to your car system and boom, it's off to the races, you never enter the equation. They just use your car for state business Imagine where that's legal better, yet imagine a world where a municipal state or federal authority can say, shut down all civilian vehicles in the case of unrest in all like a riot like a pandemic as low closer, but like a pandemic like a natural disaster or a protest for instance, or

maybe shut it down because there is a state sanctioned violent activity. A central authority with the right kind of networking could do this in that's that's one of the things about atomic vehicle systems that I wish we were talking about. More often now to miss vehicles will objectively save lives. If you have, if you have a city where every car is functioning in a network system, there are going to be fewer deaths, they're gonna be fewer vehicular injuries blights there also, there are also going to be tremendous opportunities for whom ever big brother, little brother is to just you know, shut down the city. You'll have to shut down the whole city. If there's if there's a neighborhood that is maybe protesting something and you dont want media coverage, and you don't want people

physically, getting out of that neighbourhood to say, hey, they're, killing us all because we're some euro, like we have a religion or net necessity to which this government or authority objects, then you can just shut down the cars and you can block aid the roads. You can turn off track we're not there yet, but the technologies on the way it's closer than you and it always starts with the best of intentions The feeling we're gonna, learn about it like two months from now, a month from now after everybody is trying to get back to normal and then the pandemic gets worse, then they just shut off all the cars. Sorry, the law Matt yeah. Sorry, that makes me think I like a positive and limitation of isn't like science fiction. Is it anime shook called psychopath. That is about like these cops that have these particular guns that will not.

Get that we will not act of aid for lack of a better terms unless they detect certain characteristics in a subject like they won't allow you to use lethal force on a subject unless they meet certain criteria, and the gun can literally like look up the person's background, and man is sort of like pre crime kind of like enough minority report by it similar where, like you know, it's brick, the guns Brecht unless you it gives its its given the go ahead for each key right to be used similar with with cars, it could be used for positive Studley. Maybe it could detect someone's too much alcohol in the car will function right. Maybe there's a way than that leg you know, would actually prevent people from being their worst enemies. People often do they know they shouldn't dry, but their drunken them makes them feel like their invincibles. They do stupid stuff. If the car itself

would not allow you to drive it. That would be a positive use of this kind of technology right away. Any could potentially detect like a key code or something that was in valid or didn't have a special need of secondary education process to it. So we could prevent theft. Perhaps I mean there's there's their possible things: yeah. This is this is a funny story. Is Larry David moment with my very old money car. Oh no. You guys, you guys know this, because it's made me late to choose before I, but my my car had a now function in the security system, so that every so often not every time, but every so often I would try start the car and it would be convinced I was trying to steal it because the the authentication didn't work, and so I would

to do a reset of the system, which was very easy to do, but it took about ten minutes. So sometimes I would just be ten or twelve minutes late, because my card decided that I was trying to commit grand theft auto. I yourself myself this, isn't this unknown issue? We share these, but the, but the implications are right. You know the technology has always been a double edged sword. It's always been the darkness that stairs back at us. It's always been the gun that fires at the person wielding the gun. You know what I mean I ever since the days of fire right. You can keep warm, it can burn you. That is the same thing with every single piece of technology. Humanity has ever made. We just we don't make stuff.

They cannot also be used for terrible things and and right now, big brother, whether you want to call big brother, a manufacturer, a private software service or a govern They want into your vehicle and there are already inside. You know what I mean like: how terrifying is it that Facebook, we can have o s and software in vehicle. I dont know if there's a lake solid facebook o for vehicle right now, but the app alone is scary enough. The initial arguments for this are some of the ones we have outlined. The first argument, of course, is valid and its let's keep people safe. We want to keep an eye on you not to stop you not to hinder you, but to help you, and then there is the other idea. Hey, let's make things uniquely. Enjoyable, oh you're, you're, a fan of explosions in the sky, here's some other music. You might like on your drive in order,

and I always explosions sky whether were such good driving music, it's true I really is actually, then the idea is The third idea is somewhat aspirational: let's build a better system we not we're not in your car, because we were track your gps, because we want to monitor you and because we want to use that data to affect your ensure its premiums or want to use that data to figure out where and when we can stop traffic. Let's use that data in aggregate to figure out where we should build more lanes on road system or or where we should put a new stoplight. You I mean you're, helping the greater good. That's the argument yeah or- or you know, on the previous one to that like if you took those last you whose,

listening to stuff. They don't want you to know and where, yes, that's true, that's true look and worse jars already unscrewed. You know what I mean badgers out of the bag. If there a canary in the coal mine of this, the canaries dead, the canary was asphyxiated long ago, probably back in the early nineties and stuff, they don't want you. To know, is this, there is already dampening evidence that cars are hackle and this evidence is older than you think. This is not twenty twenty stuff. Happened years ago, yeah, twenty fifteen remote hacking demo really shook up the automotive industry. Major automakers responded

by creating the automotive information sharing and analysis centre. Otto. I sack icing their hunger or go with Isaac, and this was designed or they'll be intent, was to research and discuss best practices for securing this stuff for actually implementing cyber security and vehicles, so that less quickly been just over this a little bit in the twenty fifteen example I believe I came over his wired or who it was, but there is a journalist there was there an experienced what it was like to have his vehicle remotely controlled, fully remotely controlled because the computer, the the onward computers are sophisticated enough at this point to where we that you know always on always connected the technology.

They were able that the hackers or the demonstrators here were able to break, were able to turn on every electronic piece of equipment within the vehicle. Every component to slow the car down, speed the car up to control the steering, even it was really terrifying. The only apply to the whole thing was that the demonstrators, the hackers it required them to have physical access to the vehicle before they could implement that full control in dry? Fifteen Ryan, twenty fifty in twenty fifty right there you're on the money man, because the the issue here is that that twenty fifteen car was like many vehicles. Effectively air gaps, meaning there must have been some sort of physical interaction at the time of the hack or before the hack was implemented. But now it's twenty twenty and

and it would be naive to assume this technology. And all the vulnerabilities it brings- will not be exploited if you're listening to this now, whether you love cars, are you hate them or you are ambivalent to them at the? U dont care about their presence. You need to be aware, big brother, whatever big brother, you wanted ossify is already in your new car and you're, going to tell you that they are preventing hackers from hurting you and when they say that they are telling the truth, but, like Emily Dickinson says they're telling the truth, but they're telling it slant, because they are also fully capable of doing everything. Those hackers would do every single thing they just haven't done it yet Elise. Officially here and that's that's where we are, you know we are, we are,

as a species as drivers as car owners and as pedestrians, we are entering a world we're entering a new normal there's? No turning back this is going to happen. Already happening. You know Elvis is left the building the hand and now now you have to wonder if this technology exists, what will it be used for and but what will the motivations be? What will the fall out be? What will the consequences be? We want to hear from you. We have a lot of. We have a lot of truck drivers in our audience. We have you know a lot of our fellow listeners are driving in deliveries. A lot of us love rude trips, you we are a car culture. You know I saw where do you think this is going? What have you seeing like? I would love to hear of any body has been affected by this already, if you're driving for fleet

be your your administrator knew some stuff about you that surprise. Do and they were like. Oh hey, you know Jane or John Jorgensen. It's it's interesting. You made way better time to Denver than you did last week. Did you like why? How did you know I was in Denver? Last week I wasn't driving my work truck. I was driving my own car, so This is something I want to bring up here towards the end. If you are feeling just uneasy about this whole concept of you know someone whoever it is for any reason while watching where you go. What you do and all of that in your vehicle, I would say, go: go out to your car, your vehicle, whenever it is check that ask for looked underneath your chassis, take it take a little look anywhere on metal surfaces, underneath your vehicle or in compartments, because these these things are very tiny.

They can fit really anywhere? Where there's a a wheel, well, yeah! We well is really really a place check. The really clever one from better call saw as it was inside, of a gas cap assembly. Hey the pop it off with a screwdriver and before he found it, he disassembled is in dire car before having an aha moment when he realizes it's inside of the actual gas cap. So yeah Very, very small and just gonna keep getting smaller. You know so, yes were route. Do that check that all that stuff, dont disassemble your car, please but again here's the other thing, if you're so worried about that, maybe dont be because If you are like almost every person who drives a vehicle, you travel we're the cellular phone of sunshine, and I were transmitting you know unless

your extremely careful, and even if you are extremely careful, you are likely transmitting every place you go. You know how fast your going, how long you stay at those places The data that exists around that device is far more terrifying than the ones that could be in your vehicle. Well said well said, so that's that's for sure for today, but because the episode Ends- doesn't mean the show ends we want to hear from you if you're driving right now and you are inspired to contact us, wait until you're out of your car. And am finders we're on the internet, where all over it you'd virus on Facebook, improvised and instagram. You can find us on Twitter, not just as issue but as individuals. If you like to find me, you can do so and Instagram. I am at how now Knoll Brown and

I am on twitter at been bull and age s W. I am on Instagram in a burst of creativity, colleague myself at then bowling who find real instagram. I am Matt, Frederick, there's an e in there store. I heart and here I am posted a long time, but maybe I'm gonna start posting pictures of. Oh, I don't know close up shots of my backyard. That's pretty much it for now. I want to see that yellow submarine cut out in his full glory man. Oh yes, you posing behind it peeking through the little portholes. Can you do that horse sure by If I can get it only if you guys will give me permission of Photoshop your faces in their cause, there are four holes I could get all four of us in their happy gray. I give full permission Then oh yeah yeah. I think I think that chicken is flew the coop man you you have many

many pictures of our faces. All I would ask is a personal favor is that you try to find one where, where I at least don't look sketchy, I know that's that's a tall milkshake, our aid, okay, so mad gets one thousand new followers. You will put this picture You can have one thousand the law and beyond. We also have a leak if your person who says, while guys you just talked about How scary the internet is I'm terrified to do that? I don't want to be on the internet. We get it. You can contact us a different way. We have a phone number, that's right. It is one thousand eight hundred and thirty three std will you why tiki we ve been getting tons of amazing messages, since all of this stuff has been going down. Thank you

everyone who is reached out about you Wayne. Yes, I have been getting your messages, thinking about a ban? You know you're mentioning truck drivers or fleet vehicle drivers. We ve been getting a ton of people. Writing about that. I'm going to share with you guys one particular call we got in from someone thinking hard about the broader implications of our current situation and his like completely salient arguments about why we could be in a very dangerous position with regard to the United States and China. Just so many great great things coming in. Thank you to everyone. Thank you continue please, and if none of that quite bags, your badgers view, hate phones, view social media, never fear friends, fellow, can spears

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