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When you are thirsty ghosts and government coverings histories with unexplained events, you can turn back or learn stuff. They don't want you to know dear been in that I don't think you guys this, but I think it's a pretty interesting topic as a slave, pharmaceutical industry. I think the big pharmacy is holding back cures for diseases since every worships, the Almighty dollar. I feel it's much more profitable to keep billing retreated rather than finding a cure for said disease. I would love to see here: You guys cover this topic: Sean

and, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the show I'm here, I'm in no you're here I am here and, most importantly, you are here Sean, ladies and gentlemen, every body in the: U S across the world, we are coming semi alive to your ear, all sphere, yeah three her ear chum smoothly, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know today. We're tackling something that was inspired by Mr Mail and that we have talked about extensively off air before just in conversations where we hang out after work right pressure. So weird about a big format, spear sees little bit of background. We did You series on this way back and then we So do I don't know. Why did I vote noise, their nose ghettos, this work will keep it, and then we also did

January, an episode about the illegal drugs trade which we'll be pharmaceuticals. This episode, we are going to focus on more of the consumer. The seas and the conspiracy theories surrounding a big pharma, so first things, first war, well, look at it. This way, as we said before, a leak Drugs are a big business would like to give you some industries statistics, so as health reports that overall drug spinning weight in about three hundred and twenty billion dollars and twenty eleven through the FDA in Congress, the? U S works to ensure access to safe, effective drugs, at least that's the idea of us a theory ensure so but I'm critics say then caught him quote. Big farmer has paid Congress to turn a blind eye to predatory and,

Eddie dishonest practices like price gouging. So what is again the big air could end quote the farmer exactly right other than just a convened, catchphrase right right sword. Nowadays, big farmers become this umbrella term for the world's largest multinational pharmaceutical companies. These are the corporate Goliath, the corporate behavior their own patents on lifesaving name, bran proprietary drugs and they work to prevent. Eric knockoffs from it placing these different markets, so innate, took from one ninety eight to two thousand twelve. The pharmacy History spent around two point: six. Billion dollars just to lobby lawmakers legislators. Effort for some perspective, if you haven't I read that number against other things. That means that they swim more than the defence and aerospace sectors

I mean maybe I'm knave, but I always have a hard time imagining. What data day lobbying actually looks like Can you fill me in and there was no just a little bit about specifically what a pharmaceutical lobbyist might do, that's a great questionable. I we should mention a shout out to our own met the madman Frederick. Who is what does it? Who is with us in spirit on his vacation, because I'm about it about one of my favorite shows long time. Listen. You ve heard this before There was a show called case three, I believe, was right, definitely remembered now yeah and this gives a not completely accurate by pretty close it oh, look at how lobby works. Lobbying is a leak. Activity in the? U S: technical your theoretically listeners know. All of us to get gather and we could start. We know the

American Association for stuff. They don't want you to know being known or something like that right and we could go do the following things: take law law makers out the cheese or two dollars to benefits on trips to persuade them that we are making is the best case for the Euro. In some way right in the end free industry. Does this to some degree in there that any and countries do it as well, there are We also resembling Diana Ray you no gun lobby is sure yeah oil lobbying groups or the a r p the association retired persons. In this this two point, six Ours is a huge slice, a pie this huge slice, illegal drug pie- and this is not counting the money that drug makers spent influence, doctors and again

Its lobbying is not illegal, there's nothing Herr ITALY, criminal about these actions against sticky, pretty quickly, because, legally speaking We can't just go out to our representative in New York of Yellow southward, HANS in or something and say, Jane. Here's, eight hundred, dollars. Please vote, please vote against FDA regulation of this thing or something It is illegal. Your head just give people money and time to do five said: lobbies is like hey Jane. You want me to take you to a nicer nice. Lunch will have some chats over some martinis yeah. Let's talk about campaign concentrations campaign contributions are one of the ways that money can be donated right. So if there is a real big farms,

if we want to get past the umbrella term and talk about what this please than its most likely in association called the pharmaceutical research, a manufacturers of America right. So this Basically a trade group that represents forty of the leading biopharmaceutical researchers and biotechnology companies possibly the most notable victory of former was it he doesn't six prescription deal which extended prescription coverage, while actually preventing the Medicare programme from collectively bargaining for lower prices. Right in this stuff, the stuff changed in the wake of the affordable care act which for people outside of the? U S might sound kind of our coined by everyone in the? U S is familiar with it so also been called. Oh boy, my care, it say, rum, Mitt Romney Helms Programme in Massachusetts, those later taken to a national level by bombing administration and it has a well

critics and a wealth of supporters. I didn't get story for different show, but the pharmaceutical industry in ITALY had input on this and you can see articles from the Wall Street Journal saying that the farmer Local companies made. A benefit is like five billion dollars somewhere other astronomical number from the OECD or Obamacare, though there there something we have to say at the top, though, because we're gonna talk about, out of murky, just diabolical stuff here? So, first I want to say there is no question that research by scientists at pharmaceutical companies has led to amazing breakthroughs, curing or stopped in conditions that a hundred or maybe even ten years ago would have been. Death sentence. So let's get thou the way We were talking about better treatment for cancer treatments, force

tool diseases latin sadly cures but treatments and one of them things that inspired you and I to look at this today. Sean's letter and other comments from people on you to twitter and Facebook. I'll go but the plug in here now you can follow us. We are species stuff on all of those annual you'll see emphasis. It may not make it to the air for one reason or another or topics that we talk about. You can also talk with utter listeners and you can suggests to us directly. Anyhow, one things inspired us to look at this. Was the? news report, which I guess we should mention but we'll get into later right. The case of the farmers. Google start up. Take to the farmer Brown S they're, calling it he's out with a guide on Twitter man, Morton squarely squarely YAP, Andy

a fair jokingly, referred to in the shreck- well, you Know- is a bit of an ogre, have managed to do, They do indeed art. So there are critics of big farmer and they often fall into one or several camps, for There are the people that, if we're going to a name for him, I will call them suppression adherents. These people believe Pharmaceutical companies have something like for treatments or even a secret cure for everything, from cancer to leukemia HIV other chronic when all conditions but have covered up this now in the interests of continuing to make money off hapless consumers when- reading Sean's letter at the top of the podcast Wesley mentioned this idea of you now

drug companies having these secret carers and holding them back, because it benefits them more to be able to continue to treat these existing diseases rather than to cure them and get it occurred to me. There is interesting parallel between that and dear, that, like technology companies already have A million terror by hard drive develop their justino sittin on his wife rule that out when they can just keep selling us one terror by hard drive for me now to under boxes, tat right or this also maybe ties into alternative energy ideas, absolutely the concept that there is a water our car were there it. A even consumer products like toothpaste. You only have to apply what's her something some serious like WWW Walkest right, ass when and I will, I will add that this Just my opinion. By filling the strong circumstantial evidence that there is on some level at least classified technology

several years in advance what the public has access to, especially in the air space field eyes finally in Terry applications. Sure, though it does that, go all the down to drugs are their miracle cures. That's Only a select few of the world's population have access to gonna. Look at that in a little more detail. That's one of the biggest was consistent classifications. Conspiracy theories, we hear about big farmer there's another one. If I'm gonna make up a term for these functional, I would call them the invention. Theorists taking it that further in arguing that pharmaceutical companies are not just soup, in cures, but actually inventing new diseases either by renaming them to make them some were serious or by creating new ones and spreading them through the population

arguable example of this is called restless leg syndrome. I'm definitely got that who get restless like Sandra happening right now. I mean, after a couple of drinks, have a serious case of happy for sure and am under the impression that I could both whip, nay, nay. I believe you could. I have briefly. I have faith in your ability, Ireland, I'll ornate, I really feel like he'll, be a personal failure, both our parts. If I ever get to that position in life there's, not a camera around, but this this Is this idea will be familiar to a lot of people in the. U S we noted the prevalence of I've, always a vaguely named drugs that are meant to treat meant

or emotional conditions that in the past would not have would not have been treated and might be specific, but without going that yeah. I will just say that that's another group, so there are the people who think things are being suppressed, cures for being suppressed and a group of people who think either faked diseases will be marketed or real diseases are beings and there's another one, and that I know you're listening to this man is over your favorite when the political theories, the idea that pig farmers purchase the conscience in the vote of allegedly like representatives using them the force industry friendly laws through at the expense of the American. Like other words, putting profits over people while those who, like those in the accusation. So let's talk about some of the true stories right. So aside from recent news. History is absolutely filled with these kinds of shenanigans,

here is an actual examples of illegal, corrupt and or unethical things. Pharmaceutical companies have done in the past. Oh I get lonely set your office in Yorkshire, so how does Pharma actually influence legislation at the top one? But the answer that question lies partially with the American Legislative Exchange Council or Alec a Alessi Alec Late Baldwin, yes, indeed, strong, Chin one, so the secretive grew basically connects per the interests and lawmakers to approve what are called model bills and these model bills reflect the design. Of the parties involved. Yet defenders of Alec say that it provides a forum, Four legislative and industrial partnership by critics say that's not so much the case that the public is basically completely cut out of it.

Higher process so like a smaller version, then of the tea p p. So there it is these these model bills are not necessarily intended- and I hope you guys can hear the air quotes. I'm laying down stick over there, not sincere heartily and turned his yeah it. You two are to become the verbatim bill by or the verbatim law but several legislatures have introduced bills that can be traced directly back to meetings and Alec but Burma and again, that's just a short time for pharmaceutical research. Manufacturers of America does contribute you, Alec ended and we know this because it is legally bound to disclose this spending. Alec, however, was not by the same laws, in fact AL Membership list is secret and big pharmaceutical

associations, don't just keep their spending to the hallowed halls of Congress right, no, not at all, then these cuts is actually interact directly and pretty extensively with physicians, basically inside revising them to recommend specific brand name drugs right, yet It's funny. Have you ever been in a hospital law or in the doctors office when a pharmacy rap comes through it depends in their mouths paths, yea was wagon. Look like models are some share: the travel around convincing various doctors, medical professionals that name drug acts is pure and should be prescribed for the following Dickens aggressively in assertively. So- and it goes beyond that, because there's a process used called ghostwriting and go

Writing is really weird thing. So these companies would pay a doctor and say: hey, let's see, you're a doctor. No, what can a doctor? I am a doctor, a funk. In our own college urine colleges. So they would say we have this perfect drug coming out and it's gonna be. Can we come in in the next six months. So it's been out for six months will want to spread the word so Doktor Brown, you agree with right where at dinner. Now you agree with us that this is a Period treatment will that depends can't get the cream brutally. You can have Krim relate for here and to go, I'm on Board Sammy up great issues, the best thing we want you to write a review and we want it to go like this, at which point they hand the review that have already written there and they say

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yeah. You know now I hear that spot on, but it sounds a little silly Ladies and gentlemen We mention, as I think, that our legal drugs Paul cast, but the U S, accounts for about five percent of the world's population and also forty two said of the money spent on prescription drugs. That statistic can be a little bit strange because these drugs are often much more expensive in the? U S than they are in other countries, and that the let's talk about outside about this idea that there was a propagation of disease or that these diseases were created and marketed right. Tell me more oh good, I'd love to so bear bodies familiar bear, maybe through aspirin bear did cell HIV team medicine is millions of dollars worth of an injectable blood clotting. Medicine called factor, eight concentrate which is in turn for him, the feeling acts to Asia

Latin american and european countries in the MID Nineteen eightys, the company stop selling drugs in the? U S, nineteen, eighty four but we saw in overseas for another year so how did this happen? How did this become tainted? Edison in question here, was made using combined plasma from large numbers of donors so the time There was absolutely no screening tests for the AIDS virus, so it a tiny number of donors with AIDS could potentially contaminated a large batch. Bright and report see that although the worldwide numbers are difficult to calculate in Hong Kong, in Taiwan alone, more than one hundred hemophilia acts contracted HIV you're using this medicine, most of whom have died, but in May nice. Eighty five doktor harry Admire Junior, the empty s, blood products, official called the companies to a meeting, believing that they had broken in agreement

selling, we old medicine and this according to article in your times. But Meyer, decided to handle the matter quietly instead of letting the public now yet, when what anybody get in a panic about a little thing like a lethal disease which had the time it was HIV was so That is a scary, real life situation. There's another book that you may enjoy. If you ever read it before, I believe called the river in which the author, details. Genesis of AIDS and how it spread, and they allege that clearly that pharmaceutical companies knowingly sold or experimented with tainted batches of products. On populations in Sub Saharan Africa, which sparked the rise of the HIV epidemic. It's it's important to know that that is not

Consider these specific genesis like incite universally agreed people are still are doing over how this how this happened? You often hear pharmaceutical companies being being accused of this not not so much through some sort of purposeful thing, as either try as either trying to save money or being your fiscally corrupt were incompetent how do we know then bear knew that the HIV was in the medicine in the attic. Can you decided to understand how a company of that magnitude a could come back from a scandal like this and be good. Lord, must they not have had a crackerjack pr team that I have never heard of the story prior to researching this topic. Right I mean when I think of bare, I just think aspirin from headache. You know that's all I think of well two thousand and six and the great question two thousand six. There were documents there were unearth

Showing that they knew it the high likelihood of being tainted with with AIDS Day they knew they can no longer sell it U s eye the dangers of the drug had become well known in the U S market, but that news was a slower to reach other parts of the world and it does from what we see it does seem the FDA. Regulators did collude to keep the continued sales hidden. I saw that could be solved without alerting Congress, the medical community and public and these are according the minutes about nineteen eighty five, nineteen. Eighty five meeting between the FDA Embed yes, I mean to me: this occurs to me as being a getting but another example of to cope, relationships, whether its between drug companies, in the empty regulator is their supposed to oversee them or, for example, in a large banks and

You see regulators that, sadly, you know supposed to keep them Lamb acting correctly ram. Is that It's a similar guy, that's a very eyes parallel because decisions in parallel, but possibly accurate slice it big as it does show you how house who's in industry and the government the Tunisian designed regulate. It will happen. I know we have a lot of listen to object to the the concept of a large government right of whether fat or whether one world- and I completely I completely stand in many cases in the case of things like food and Drug Administration, however, that has provided in the ass, especially specially much needed food safety things food. Safety regulations are an important thing to have, because if there is not some sort of standard

could easily end up in a situation like up in Sinclair's the jungle shirt, which is a very gruesome some story about, I was gonna, say, grows yeah and gruesome story about the ME packing history, however, are the thing about regulation, no green is that a lot of people objective as well is that I said that if the people who work for the watchman, are later being hired to work for the people being watched or come from that industry. The argument is always that a certain level of expertise and experience should be the deciding factor in it. It may be true. The advocates of this practice argue that will need to have industry experts, but then the opponents this practice will say: well really doing it Tina revolving door, where someone can ask

regulatory power make laws that will benefit them specifically then later when they enter private industry animate, I'm sure there's some amount of well. If this person used to work for the regular a body. Now they work for us, they can probably give us a little bit of the scoop on some of the machinations of the regulatory body. Good point knew. How far does it go over the little background on Bare just to say you ass, ethically by how this occurred, so it wasn't reporting as widely in you Ask media, but an italian news, media reporting, a lot of this in two thousand and eleven bear just pay. It had paid tens of millions of dollars to end this scandal because here's how it happened so two thousand Levin Bear

search compensating people. They got aids because in the nineteen eighties a thing called the cutter biological unit of Bare ignored federal law against, recruiting prisoners, ivy drug where's your intravenous and what they call high risk. Terms sexual activity, people as donors of the blood that used to make this factor eight and that's the clotting product that keeps him feel acts from bleeding out so you're paying they, along with three other lads, were forced to pay millions of euros to people who could trace the transmission of HIV to this treatment, so bear and the? U s Baxter, the two main parties to the agreement accompany spokesperson, said that, however they coming steps no responsibility in this case and continues to her

this is always acted responsibly and ethically so, Forcing is something that you can see often occurring with companies of this magnitude. It's ok, we will pay too. Paid or resolve. This care will admit enough, but no direct faults. We admit no direct fault. Estimated number. Even though again ass, difficult ass trade is about twenty thousand people contracted HIV. From this saying to me it is. It is insane and it's gonna, be like. I said what what is the most insane to me as a consumer of media and as someone who, in a reads up on this kind of stuff I had never heard of this before and that this mind blowing to me, like what? How much money you must accompany like this have to be able to pretty successfully sweep something like those under the road to the point where you know it's, just not like the only image that you fifty eight with this company will yet again the they start selling this product in the? U S, so it was,

the older news or was less likely to directly affect people in the EU market, so that is a seed of truth to these things, when, when we hear a lot of thee her lot of construed, rumours and stuff. The thing to find is whether there is a seed of truth right, whether there is a shining note of veracity in the hay stack of beer. That's so often easy. Nor have I and that's not me, most graceful comparison there, but let's go to the idea of with in a cure because Sean, that's exactly what you asked about at this point is hard to find a specific, proven case of accompanying completely suppressing a cure, and the reason is hard to find is that we see in so we see a lot of people saying that

is more advantageous to treat the symptoms of a disease rather than the cause. In many cases, I know this is sensitive subject, for some people buy in the cases the cause of a condition could be Jeanette. Or lifestyle related, for instance, like a poor diet. Yeah like a poor diet, could create that These are obesity or heart conditions and the best way to combat that is not through a magic pill its through Couch riots through exercise in changing diet which, Of course, no one wants to hear, because that is not an instantaneous sure about what we did find. Thought might interest you shot is some statements from people on read it. Places if you're familiar who were talking about the

talking about the issues here over the the concept of the conspiracy and we found peoples in that I found people saying that they are experience either with drug creation or product creation or in the higher level marketing stuff the marking people are saying it so expensive to create a drug and get through the FDA. Hopes that, if there are, a magical cure, people sell it, they would sell it for a boat load, a yacht load of money, One might say, but they wouldn't want to keep it secret, because it will be walking away from so much money and then there was a funny where the curse Who was a former chemist like a when creating new drugs, I said maybe chemises not right where researcher researchers, shore

because we don't know exactly what this person's evolved with, but they said they said. Here's the thing it would be very difficult for them I miss you, local companies to pay someone who discovered a cure enough to keep it secret. Now you know how it, how would you do that This goes into some darker territory. When we hear allegations of your people being disappeared or something like that, but in this case so far, just because of the amount of people that would be required to keep the secret its. We haven't, found We haven't found a I'd love to hear more from listeners who believe that there is a key And I want to say also that often you were here, people saying that an old native medicine of some sort is what's being repressed right. Or that there is some maybe

actual cure through Platt or through a relatively simple. We made derivation of a plan that pharmaceutical companies. Instead trying to monetizing and that part that last part is Eddie Believable, because we're seeing that now with Clay, marijuana some sort of panacea that cures everything it certainly kept talk over. And this is sure, that's it that's what magic power has. But but True that pharmaceutical company have worked diligent to isolate functional chemicals that the act Tetra can avoid himself the teach see to make a pill for instead of something that a person would be around smoke or just ingest other ways. Yet I have reminded me of earthly. I think I brought up and I we were talking about monetizing the treatment

objection. I thought I was. I was just on drug addiction, and I was talking about how privatizing privatisation they don't clinic sprays, oh yeah right, and so obviously that ties in the big farmer mean means somebody's gotta, manufacture, the methadone or whatever version of that is being prescribed for the treatment of them. Be it addiction. There's a lot of articles out there about the most recent when I saw was on vice. There is a a natural supplement, even call it matter a leaf from Thailand originally Leavings called cradle and produces a fact very similar to and opiates or like methadone, for example, by them, and it is legal, technically right now in the U S, but it is clearly coding alive. Things that I've been reading, very much controversial and is probably not going to be legal for long grey market, yet more less, but it is apparently a very good

Analog to methadone and not nearly as not doesn't carry nearly as many side effects. So so it can be used to treat. People have opium addiction, absolutely ok up according to some of these sources, and we could maybe man find a few weeks in the estimates. Social bites. Ethical a good example of like a long standing natural product, it has been around. Apparently this that used to be so popular in Thailand that day it had to be banned because it was actually interfering with the opium trade, because people were, it was easier get it, people could grow. It grew naturally even yet, and it was actually interfering with the opium trade. So this is me now decades, in decades and decades ago, the very interesting story. What I and I'd like to follow up on it,

saying that this Suppression of a miracle drug is never occurred. I'm saying that I had this boy. I've had difficulty finding a proving case suppression that later out. One thing that could be similar would be not related. Some the pharmaceutical companies, but the Tuskegee experiments where the? U S? Government, withheld treatment for syphilis up that again, though, the uncle SAM that would not necessarily be like a Pfizer or a bare. So If- You are listening. This show first have thank you so much and, if who have knowledge of something like that. If you want to be anonymous fine, we want, reveal your identity, but we would love to hear more about this, suppression of chores we ve looked at the propagation. Of diseases in at least one example. That is

story, we have looked at some corruption, numerous examples and We have looked into the idea of suppressing a treatment there, that such a big term there are a number of ways we can look at it, but we want to know what you think so, who was on Facebook. Followers on Twitter were conspiracy, stuff it both you can even our lives. Show that we do once a week. Driving. Are you gonna? Do you wanna beyond that? Ok Aeroscope yeah solely on the Wifi game, yeah we're gay or wifi game bag. It's it's much better and speaking of what you think, let's pause for second and do some listener male. Alright, our first letter comes to us from gnats not met Fred, another not our co host, but on that

Mass writing in regarding our epoch, on modern slavery. The statistics on sex trade, in a very problematic and jurisdictions ever political interest in it. I was traffic to air, quotes, can be, I get out of jail car for prostitutes who get arrested, nagging has written a fairly thorough analysis of how questionable the widely popularize sex trafficking statistics actually are. That goes on to say. Also. There was a distinct attitude that no right thinking woman would ever want to do. Sex work on your show, just isn't true again number of women are in the business because they choose to not because you survive work. First time, I've such an obvious bias on your show, Will Matt thanks.

Hiding. I notice that you say distinct attitude, most likely because we never directly said that no one would ever willingly be involved in sex work. However, I do agree that I do agree completely that sex trafficking statistics can be very, very problematic, statistics for forced labour in general. Are there problematic- and I can't remember address this on air, but I hope we did. You have to also question agendas of widely inflated number no question the source where those numbers come from, so it is. It clearly isn't true that no one would ever want to do sex work. But if we say quite, a number of women are in the business because they choose to a number is also a slippery number in itself and rigour, was of the ratio

It is true that is the same word, the same phrase, quite a number people are in sex trafficking or forced labour of any sort against their will and with with that said I really appreciate this email mad, because you're you're making exley boy about how dangerous again be to paint with a broad brush? something that I want. I wanted the rustle listeners to hear your take on and thank you for the recommendation of Maggie Macneil for people. Check out. Our modern slavery pie cast up Do you learned some interesting facts? you'll see some asthma has pointed out questionable statistics. One of the lasting peace is a trivial that, according to most estimates, we read the vast majority of forced labour or human trafficking, forced modern slavery,

manual labor, so things like brick building lay like construction work agriculture, rather than the lurid tales that seem to get the most popular media attention. Again, thanks so much for writing there, and I appreciate your point. It was well well well presented again check out the book by Maggie Macneil. I guess the interesting statistics. I mean this idea of reducing a human being to a statistically inherently have very little context. So it's hard to know the motivations specifically behind a statistic yeah I've on a personal level, I'm sure, yeah. I completely agree ends the test extend be so easily skewed by something as small as the framing of a question in a pole right. So if since, if there is something like a pole regarding recess right and if you, if you

trying to get something. That said, the majority of peace. I agree that children have some sort of Greece S right, then you why you would say you would say: do you believe that children should be forced to stay inside all day during school. This The numerous studies showing that sitting constantly has legitimate long, lasting health effects. Then, of course, we will be like no. I dont want children to have a sitting disease, and if you want more people to say that I disagree with recess, then you would say I do. Leave that children should be forced outside and to stand in the elements elements given given the given the recent statistics on pollution and the long lasting detrimental health effects that can occur just from being out for an hour

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Don't you do isn't replay met up with me. You know I have a thing, then I have a thing So I kind of want to use today's moment to revisit our boys squarely Martin squarely. This is a story. It fascinates me on a couple levels by one: it really was the power of the internet first, and that this story kind of came and then was more or less resolved in two days time. I'm using the term resolve previously by little backstory. Many of you, I m sure, following this, along with me, Martin squarely at is a thirty two. Thirty. Two year old. Former hedge fund managers such as you know up therein, financial world, and now either those Toby Airy yeah. I don't know what either

That is, I got landscaping thing manage hedges yeah I have. The aim of that might as well be for all I know about what a hedge fund. Actually as it seems to me, is one of the things. We only really know what it is and if that's what you do for a living to walk away from the terrible landscaping joke? I don't you have to whom I know it's less ago. So Martin squarely thirty two year old, financial whiz. I guess you could call him. Used to manage the hedge funds, so left the hedge funds and was part of a pharmaceutical company called Retrofit was that right there retrofit M retrofit acquired rights, the seller drug called fee over the always used to treat system. Urea, that's a rare, incurable condition which gives you persistent kick millstones. That's right! So that's it! That's! A pain in a kidney right, yeah, so

we're bearing the leave here a little bit, but the reason we bring that up is this sort of the first example of this guy Skelly doing some pretty egregious price gouging. Yeah. He said that fewer which sold for four thousand a year per patient would be priced closer to a rival. Drug called peninsula mean sold for eighty thousand two hundred forty thousand a year per patient, so good little backs there, but the lead that were burying as the news of the day is. Martin Scully has a pharmaceutical start up called turning pharmaceuticals industry idea to me when I sure there's only pharmaceutical started when I think of a start up is like building an app. You know it is like

Companies have to start somewhere, but this the idea of a farmer cynical start up sort of, like maybe scratch my had a low that by one of the first things he did when he started this company was purchased the rights to a very old drug called, dare pram and dear promise. Actually used for years to treat talk, so Plasma Moses when he is, is a pretty common condition, but it's not particularly detrimental to most people. Have it who have regular? You know he insisted there. We're come where becomes. A real problem, though, is with immunodeficiency vigils suffering from USA, HIV, AIDS or cancer than what the strike does. It say: anti parasites and a parasitic drug

and for years I believe it's sold in the neighbourhood of a dollar a pill, and then it went up to about thirteen dollars a pill. Well, when our boy squarely bought it, he decided it would be a good idea to up the prize from thirteen change too seven hundred and fifty dollars a pill yap. I believe that strategy and we questioned about it on CBS this morning, I believe, is the day before yesterday. He argued that there only Two thousand people that use the strike actively. It was not profitable for our company to sell it at that price, and honestly, what we're doing by raising the price here is actually very altruistic, because it means that we can take this money and in full. Get back into research and development to find a better drug with fewer side effects. Yeah and also there. The question of the enormous cost of borrowing dig that something people bring up to also just just

throw this in their apparently costs neighbourhood of a dollar or less to actually produce to manufacture manufacture. What is that accounting, is so can cost of the euro the overhead to research and created for I guess it's good. Because I'm envied spent fifty million dollars to acquire it. I guess you have to figure out into a when you know you're talking about what would be profitable to say, drug for so I didn't know they saw the plan was to take that money and make a nother thing former. That's the point that I get that the reason and bring this up, as that would probably be the argument that any pharmaceutical company would make as to why there court import price gouging they say. Oh, are you now biggest stakeholders are the patients that is who were looking after the most. If we're doing anything, it is so we can funnel this money back into reaches Melvin, which, admittedly, is expensive anti. No time consuming to to do now. There was there was another piece of big news: the right yeah so based

What happened is this news came out the internet seated to go bananas. Like it has to in a just became a collective Lynch MOB for this guy Martin squarely. Does twitter Justino calling him Hitler, calling him the worst thing since Papa? You know em into Israel demonizing sky and united to himself any favours, because he is also an active twitter user and tended The response to internet criticisms by quoting whooping cough lyrics saying that he ain't nothing the blank with Nanda enough things like that imposing pictures of himself and one of those those the new answer to this? where the little Rowley thing oh yeah. Why, as you know that was Khalifa gonna wrestler finale acts are suddenly now really had to cut their bites, yet any got his kind of smirky little face in this scene. Oconnor, hipster haircut and just just GINO,

Mary Easy to demonize a guy like that. Who does this no self awareness when it comes to these things, and so I guess I'm going off a bit of attempting here, but the thing that was most fascinating about this is here is a cordon quote. Pharmaceutical start up, making this incredibly contentious decision and the internet reacted and in real time you could see the sky like defending himself in the worst way possible. You can see all the criticism being lobby to guess. Even I get to see that when it comes to these, companies these? This is like a look behind the curtain because of the size of this organisation, because of who the sky is the fact that he's a millennial and he's tweeting out everything and he has absolutely no filter. So I just think

releasing I learned so much about what price gouging is, what kinds of act will cancel that deals are going on behind closed doors when it comes to these pharmaceutical companies, but it was on this really interesting kind of micro level, so with a really interesting glimpse into what likely is happening on a larger scale, but in real time. In the span of a day here and the price is gonna drop. He's gonna drop pan and ashamed him into rolling back the price rise? we'll see well we don't know if that was the determining factor, but people, yet it seems like it. He said it was more or less rigid heap. I think I don't know that was exactly, but he more or less said. It was sort of a sorry, not sorry kind of where he was like. You know why I feel, like my decision to do this in the first place, wasn't wrong, but clearly this is bad for me, so I'm not gonna. Do it so

You know, that's an interesting story and we have to wonder what why cool that this is going to have on the future right on other farmers who companies on the on the ongoing fight will show you Hillary Clinton, when this happened tweeted out. This is exactly the kind of ridiculous price gouging that we are trying to prevent in big farms. Here I am going to roll out a plan. You know to cap, drug manufacturing or drug sales at some set rate above what causes produce, etc, like about of anger planted come out, but I mean this created a very large reaction again because of the echo chamber that is twitter in the internet like so the whole thing was really interesting to see. Go down in real time and is the sincere on Clinton campaigns partner, simply opportunistic, probably both yeah. I think that's a flight, let in but then this goes into the larger fight, for instance between generic.

I'd manufacturers in India who army, Things are what costs on the order of a dollar bill. A dollar three dollars a pill against pharmaceutical companies, often in the west, to say we did all the leg. Work too, In fact, you discover this Isn T created a great expense and now You are counterfeiting we're stealing our intellectual property, which goes back again to the tv. Which we don't have too much time to talk about now, so weird we're gonna head out and as always. We hope that you enjoy this episode. We hope they will fall was on Facebook and Twitter, but more importantly than following us, her liking us, which is thing: it always makes us a little bit less close to getting fired there is the most important, most singular thing: India, which is right to us. Let us know what you think. I tell tell your friends if you feel like telling your friends

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