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M up episode collaboration, if you will and we we hope you do- we are partnering with our bodies. Colleagues, corridors and friends will and main go from part time genius to explore some The most important, pertinent impressing quest, about the online world. The most important they are asking is what does the internet know about you? How much Duff the personal, the really personal, the things that you would to share with anybody else. You know just talking to somebody on the street how As you know, I know about you and where does it live?

immediately after checking out this episode head on over to part time genius to learn exactly what the internet already knows about you and it's a lot yeah, it's too much really! Even if you think you know it's way more than you probably bargain for before we begin answering our questions and watch our exploration today, let's fill in some content First things: first, oh friends and neighbors. If you are listening to the show, it is almost certain that you have an internet presence, I mean obviously listening to park. How would you know what a park ass if you were not connected to the internet? I guess there shirts now made randomly saw the stuff. You should know shirt on somebody in the subway, their line of those, second, you might be on the internet. We assume media of any sort and finally, even

this happened to be hanging out with some friends and of them happens to turn on our show. While you were in the room and you never once logged in or signed up for any social media Facebook, Google, Twitter, Instagram Friendster tumblr. LIVE Journal GEO Cities Myspace, I was a was innocent Maybe I'd have been away with your own page and you can connect other pages to your page. Wasn't just kind of like a rudimentary like web hosting yeah, but come on. Man is still it's the city. It was the start of member, they all had they all had like different neighborhoods depending on your region. Anyone I digress or any of those things you got no interest, never signed. I've never gave them a lack of information, even if you ve never even had an email address. No several things are certain. At least a portion of your purchasing history exists in all. If you ve, somehow managed to does pay cash money for

single thing in your life, you one of those off the grid types you are still not safe and that's because various public records of your life are digitized. You guys I was at the bank recently trying to do some banker. And it came up on their screen page pages of my personal documents that has happened be able to see That's my marriage certificate, that's as mortgage, all this stuff and I Damn when you submit that stuff, you know into public record it's somewhere I was a little bit taken aback at how easily they were able to disprove pop it up on the screen. Was this routine Banchorie it was routine. Banchorie was transferring a check. Someone else had to verify identity, and they had to find a document that had the maiden name of the

the dual wow question, but yeah? No. I was just kind of little bit taken aback by how quickly that stuff popped up on the screen. So all that stuff exists. You get court and government agencies that have been posting public records online since, like the nineties right then yeah motor vehicle records, voter files, property tax assessments, professional licensees. I am Files are all up there in the cloud and in just two publius really quick just social media thing. We stepped over something really important near here. Yeah yeah? What happens if you dont have a social media profile yeah? It is matter because maybe your friends do in guess, most of these social media platforms or acts that you end up downloading, they ask for your contacts in your phone, especially if you're on your phone. And if your number happens to be in your friends thrown your email address your address, your physical address. All that stuff is accessible by these acts and by

social media. So maybe the platforms or taken a look at you, just in case may be in the future. You make an account or they can just take that information and sell it to somebody else who fits that persona. Writer. Construction. Persona. Ok, yes, these are. This is the background of the grand painting. Right as so, it's obvious the meeting. One of these exceptions would be pretty uncommon. Writin meeting. All of them would be downright extraordinary on the level with a superpower. Most people have some sort of internet presence, whether consensual or non consensual. Even if it's only a footprint found in various public records is as no mention and for this episode. Let's call this series of ones and zeros the did

Oh you! So here you are here. We are in the twenty first century and you like Walt Whitman, contain multitudes. I love it. Several several compelling studies indicate that our online persona is often contradict our physical persona is in a number of ways and when great example of this is the real you'll see studies say the image somebody creates or or exhibits on Instagram or Facebook. Is a little bit more happy or cool. Then the image they project in real life and securing near life. You know how people perceive you it's sort of cultivating an image that you see as being the best you putting your best foot forward, even though we're all sad.

Sacks of waste, or here I can remember specifically my Xbox persona Long time I was avid into the first words suitors- and I was not very nice- I went through a time where I was not very nice as a kid plagues, hollow people's mothers allies. Did I tell you so much room, I? I wasn't a troll, but I was intense and very competitive ahead. I could see this idea enough to that, I had it separated so far from the at you know my walking round persona so different. When I got there controller my hand, then, if this is so true, They were like the nicest person no and I know yap. Oh yeah, I have a feeling your beer exaggerating a bit about. If we expect last year online bullying, we believe

How does the nice live your life not only of every year? What was it was? Like a pardon me, I couldn't help but point out that your mother, hewn perfumed and your mother was wayward. I would, I would do accents a lot of the time that was quite a bit of fun to do accents. I I really you play in this matter, because we do all right there is. There is a difference in this. Difference can grow over time so that, from some perspectives, people become almost two different versions of themselves. You listening to this right now You are almost two different people, perhaps more than that, you might even have online personalities that you strive to keep entirely separate from your physical life, multiple identities like our super producer, Tristram Macneil. Sorry, I forgot to mention that the top man, Tristan probably numerous identities for the sake of anonymity, yeah right.

Adding deniers five as alive. Waving at a sort of those five in today's episode focuses on these identities and their creation and their deletion. Today's episode ask what happens when you want to delete this information? Could you do it and how or more disturbingly Why not? So, let's get into the internet? How many users are there in twenty? Seventeen of this whole thing called the world wide web and all of its associated stuff, while theirs estimated fifty one percent of the world's population that has some kind of access to the internet. Roughly three point: eight nine bill in human beings, its begun to become looked at more like a human right Yes, it is considered that in a lot of places, United Nations is actively

Factions in the United Nations are actively pursuing it to be listed as a human right, along and clean water, shelter and food and safety from harm member. The Google loon method, Google, and there was some kind of loon, but it was a internet. Balloon like being access point that without the Argo over more rural hard to reach densely gold areas? And yes, I we like we're coming up with all kinds of wacky inventions to make this possible because we see it as being so important. So it's not even looked at as like a luxury or like a thing for fun. It now in you to be connected in a way that is now very important. Weary evolving. You guys think about it in only seventeen years since the year, two thousand weaving, Greece, this by so much seven percent of the population had access in the year. Two thousand, when the first friend you have had the internet and union fully understand what it was at first absolute can we get to the south that dial up modem? Don't do it?

don't do it my brain, so many different ahead of US Who is both mom and dad we're like high level surgeons are doctors and they had prodigy, which was like an early service provider, and it was all like message, boards and stuff in those days, and it wasn't until years later, when I was like a teenager like a middle school- that you could get images in print, now we have heard a lot about his building goes down. Yes, in met to your point, this is this: growth is unexpected. Unprecedented in many ways is, you said: only seven percent of the population had access in two thousand to fifty one percent. Seventeen years later, that's crazy and you know here's the thing people have you know up.

The year two thousand had certain expectation of privacy in their lives. What we do I got shades on my windows for a reason, because I don't want you look. At night, when I'm doing whatever it is, I'm doing, even if I'm just making a ham sandwich in the nude Mahomet, perhaps Diana her you role, I mean look. Making time is a special time. A time making time. Yet you guys know I make it or is it K E. Why you're, making time you'll have kids one day when men have seen their data Harvey stand a year of battle as for Frontier Maggie, We always seen and note that sound the actors. They think to have naked baby time in our house, where my son gets run around just in his diaper This really feel the world against the skin. That's not make you know if he's wearing the diapered. Well, I know, but we come on he's, he would p everywhere and in a few decades he's probably going to look back and say: hey I dont want videos.

Young me running around evening and having naked time, the others. There's a strict, no photos, videos during Nagy time instituted in our asked. So according to your thank you because, according to a pew research centres, studied ninety three percent of adults. Today say it's important that they be able to control. Who can access information about them? And ninety Bruce also say controlling what information gathered about them is also important, are the illusion of control, and also we know that, in addition to just generic internet right, one of the biggest avenues of encountering online society or the online world, he is social media, sometimes to the exclusion

other internet points like there's some people who live entirely on your facebook or twitter, or something or here's the thing. A year later when I think social media ends up at least the two younger people in The newer generations. It is probably the biggest draw to be connected for anything is you're not really using it for a lotta utility access that may be an older adult would do to check on finance. Do any of that kind of stuff you're going on there, so you can connect to your friends and you know He spoke is still the largest company in the social media field. However, not so much for the younger generation. You get things like. What's up there, a lot of other by the way, what's up owned by Facebook, so great job because I think that number two isn't it yeah believe so at this time, and so our little perspective in twenty twelve facebook surpassed a billion monthly, active users and early

this year. The sad and beg monolith of Social media hit two billion. Fully active users and leg. What's up with you as well as the invaders were portfolio, is sporting little more than half of that at one point, two billion so even denied second placed it sits in appeals in comparison to the Facebook numbers witches in seeing especially when we consider, if we look at countries by population, if the users of Facebook, now where a country there would be the most populous country in the world like an what's up, would be number four would be Facebook, China, India? What

and just by a little bit is number for. I have a confession: guys I've never actually seen what's up. I have no idea what it looks like. I guess I don't understand the appeal I was turned on to it, because a friend of mine was traveling internationally and apparently it's easy way to stay in text kind of communication with somebody, that's international when it looks like just a text, chat app, and I think it has video chat authorities. But it's really basic thing: doesn't really have any the bells and whistles that, like Facebook has as the load them multi faceted, what's up, seems to me to be a little more kind of bare bones handed down man, that's maybe wise popular, because it said it does a job and does it well. I know a lot of people even use it professionally in chat groups and stuff. So yet, let's get on what's up, this is data and still whether or not it has bells and whistles it's doing the most important thing, which is aggregating data

bout, you better data, where you're calling from what time you're calling is in the conversation with you, here's the thing about social media, each social media Overwhelmingly is a privately owned entity, the social media platforms that we most likely you. Are all privately owned and unfortunately, if you are like most of us, by which I mean the vast majority of us, you did not read the terms of service before you agreed to have that profile. I definitely scrolled all the way to the bottom of the document you value it made. You do don't act like the ones that don't make you do that you definitely don't do it. By you, I mean, like literally everyone general you. These terms of service agreements can have some perfidious stuff inside. Obviously, if you are listening to stuff there once you know you're familiar with it, but we found a great website

terms of service. Didn't read the letter. Many are in prison in plain language, some of the positive and negative aspects of various social media or internet organizations. So, let's, let's give us give everybody a couple of examples. Google will start with the ad the Goliath, the giant, the leviathan Guph itself keeps you're searches and other identifiable user information for an indefinite period of time. I'll, that's nice to have at their pleasure forecasts. Yes, editor at at

his majesty s pleasure when they can also share that information with other parties like they'd. That's in the terms there is, we can do whatever you want with this information, yes and can use all your content for all of their existing and or future services. Now think think about how much you pump into Google services right now, just imagine person Calendar information is in their email, information is in there. I mean you tube, think about our or Youtube Show and in That's all you all your weird searches three a m. We wake up from a strange dream. He had no all your. What does this animal mean? Why are you wearing socks? I know Your Google, DR anything, that your backing up there boy tracks your other websites in an uncle also

there's a Youtube and Google and you too have the right idea, a giving people all this free stuff and everyone's really stoked ungrateful aversions, like Google, you to thank you so much for these with free, sir, but you're giving them something way more valuable in there, one could argue in terms of lake ultimate financial worth it is very true and we ve had our own issues with Why tee and some of their terms, orbits. And they haven't written in the terms that they can change them at any time, and they Sue, remove your content at any time, and they will have to tell you about it. They cannot demonetized your stuff, rail telling you and if you decide to delete a video on Youtube, doesn't actually the lead it. We will get into the surprise. Grey area of what it means to delete something

Have they remove it for one reason or another they still have. It is still have it, and you know not not applaud, anything on this show word on this website. It shows duck duck ago. These search engine, yeah and all it says, is no tracking with a little thumbs up sign doktor GO is it is a good alternative for people who do a Google search is recorded, be aware, of course, that your internet service provider or your eye s p will still be tracking what you do, but doktor goes away to get around Gould. There was also a thing I haven't visited in a while called scruple as C r o Oji l e, and it does Google searches without the scraper. He says: scruple, dot. Org is gone forever, says the site owner, oh well. They must it must, in part by the man. Facebook tracks you another one

its automatically shares your data with many other servers uses your data, shakier style, and it however, once a bonus for all you, Android app users out there, a record sound. Video from your phone at any time. Without your consent, remember when we learned about this thinking, all the times you ve been in stall and a bathroom loosely do use the restoration in a hot makes stable. Let's call it that serve and read it on your phone, not to be too grass and, lastly, for examples, twitter right, oh yeah, so Twitter say: you're gonna cancel your account on Twitter. It's gonna keep twitter. Airbus is gonna, keep allotted information it keeps it least the rights to anything you ve posted through their service, so

it doesn't matter. If you delete it has gone there may be, they still have or server. Maybe they can use it. For you know anything in the future and additionally, evidence indicates that all social media entities will cooperate with law enforcement for information request right at the most basic level. This is a good thing and radically yet, however, in practice its helping intelligence networks take a vacuum cleaner approach to gathering the stuff, so it ultimately does not matter whether you are innocent of any suspected crime rate, because there's this leap frog, even

there's this leapfrogging system that's in play, and you know the game, six degrees of Kevin Bacon whenever I had only one off about celebrities to play it, but this is like a scythe version of that. So, if, for instance, are producer, Tristan is is innocent guy, like just look at their face standing. You know if he'd know someone who know someone who know someone whose implicated in certain types of crime, generally drugs, terrorism, right or certain networks of that then built trysting info is up for grabs too. He doesn't. He may never even know why he made ever met. What's a good. What's a good name that sounds like a criminals, Name SAM T Guard You ve never met

May I ve never met SAM the Sham Sanderson? tea garden, but now now simply because he is at best tangentially related. His information is now up for grabs. Yeah. So what we do know that there are I've been a lot of historic cases going through the courts as in the United States. Looking at what d you know what law enforcement can get, how much they can actually ass. You to pull out of their website. There's a recent case about a a group. There was anti, I think, was an anti trump website that was organizing bunch of protest and stuff and the FBI. Was looking to get access to pretty much every user than had ever been on that one

site. Anybody who had ever checked it out and it's going to the court system right now to see constitutionally what can be asked for so, thankfully, the situation may change, depending on the time that you are hearing this episode. If so, if you are listening in two thousand and twenty eight or whatever we heard pistol pure around us in this is sending an email that is for an update. If big brother allows you to do so, So what social media is hot renown, twenty, twenty and yeah? Now this episode is time. Capsule out will we ve talked about. We ve talked about some these pernicious at times I would argue, purposefully, misleading terms of service talked about what exists around you or white. What traces you leave on the internet and, of course, check out our friends parttime genius for more in depth. Look, but we haven't yet talked about

how to remove this information or attempt to do so. Removing information is, unfortunately, not a silver bullet kind of scenario. It's a case by case basis and will give you some pointers. After a word from our sponsor back to quote met with no delay this, while others so much I know why you said at one time. He said one time he said we're back with no delay is the way said it. I just made me happy in my heart one talking about audio plugins. Lastly, maybe we need a little delay. Yeah we get over. The river side are taken away adequacy. Eighty, we should keep in that package.

Your harmonizing everyone? Things get a little doubt. This is something I am happy with the internet. Knowing about me that I'm a fan of these sorts of facts here we just want upon apple? So how can you get rid of your internet presence? That's where we're out right right, so we went through an canna compiled some Commended steps for removing your various social media Council must start there and then we'll get low, more granular sure as we go on, but this these all came from various health centres of these different social media site. So here we go. Facebook says that if you don't think you'll ever use, He spoke again. You can request to have your account permanently delete user that you can request request to have the language. Is everything also dil and help

more like how so it says here I'm going back to the quote: please keep in mind. You won't be able to reactivate your account or retrieve anything leave added. But before you do this, you may want to download a copy of your info from Facebook. Then, if you'd, like your account, permanently deleted with no option for recovery, you can log dear account, and let us now here exactly my let face both await there's more yeah. So when you delete your account, folks won't be. The sea it on their respective goes away writer of raising here, but it doesn't necessarily go aids, just kind of hidden hidden from other users, and it may take up and again from the from the article here. Ninety days, from the beginning of the day

in process to delete all of the things you ve posted, like all your photos, status updates. Any data that stored in facebooks is surely absurdly JAG backup systems and, while you're deleting this information, it is inaccessible to other people using Facebook. Again, moreover, hiding feature than actual deletion of the some of the things you do on Facebook. Are actually stored on your account, and now this is true. You can think about this like messenger, invisible messages or eat. I would be interested to double check this I would imagine if you delete your account, do comments you have made on other threads and other people's pages disappear, or does it just like? It's still lives there, but you

it sure maybe goes aware? Suddenly, the I honestly don't know, but I think you're commerce will probably go go. I hope I will have equal. I think you and your comments because you're able to go through an individually delete them and you can also set them to night. You can really sick comments to be private, yellow our own over that. But I do know when you send a message to somebody else received, while the other person in it in their inbox, its colleague entangled information. Yes to owners yeah, which is why, I dont also Facebook is our Inter Alia. Facebook is tremendously manipulative like when you try to mess with your privacy stuff you're quota for privacy. It has a dinosaur icon and then,

the way the it steers people with the parameters of what you can and cannot say? So, if you will try to remove a tag, the choices your given are, you know this is offensive or its misleading or blah blah blah? No, you can't there's no option to say just move it. That's called mother her is there still another higher now man, I think no, in several cases they took away other really here. What I thought other yet again always have another I with a line, but you but made that that it would be a manipulative tactic, their delight visa, your choices in your choices are only these. It's not it's not would its Ivan alcohol. Is there Pretty interesting, though, because, as we know, because of I guess, largely laziness, you connect to other apps using he spoke. It gives you that lovely little option or its lay hey- you don't want to make an account. Just give us access to your facebook. Information

his those social media is her. Apps are paying Facebook to do that, so that they gather all that other information attached to Facebook within their system yeah. But if you delete your face, account and then you accidentally law and one of these Facebook connected accounts like Instagram Spot, a five or twitter any number of any like. I did a sock membership box thing today and allowed me to connectivity a facebook It goes pretty deep. If you do, this down it will log you back into your facebook account and the deactivation. Last deletion process starts I'll area, of the use of the term deactivation. They don't even call it deletion its deactivation and is it reminds me of, like I watched blade, run or less time for some

instead of murdering replicates, they retire Rabbi Ellesmere Cheese and Instagram, no better. If you go to the delete your account. Age, if you're not logged in the last few again, you have to go on your desktop you. Can you can't do from the outset and which is weird because you can't really use Instagram on the desktop exactly was strange. Is that any I can only Imagine that there are a lot of people out there who don't even really have a desktop system anymore, set up anywhere in their house. You have two yeah you after select a option from a drop down menu, so you Emory into your password, so the option to delete the account only appears after use like their reason when you delete the account. This is at least explicit when ITALY

your account. Your profile photos, videos, comments, lakes and followers are permanently removed and then just like Facebook, again temporarily, disable your account, but I'm gonna go out and say I don't trust it yeah man and then we get to one of my absolute favorite pseudo social media's linked in I guess I'll have him linked in accounts. Nationally didn't help me. I don't even know. Why did with Lydia I delete or mine earlier today. It was a liberating. It was awesome. I mean you sorry Linkedin, but are you ve sent away too much email? Ok, so You can closure tell directly from this one page. So then, you will have access to new viewer, any the information you ve collected or people you ve to your profile will no longer be a visible on linked in, however engines, we're talking beings, yahoos and probably Google's. They might still display

permission temporarily because you're talking about information, that's cached that just sitting there and you can find it still through search results The one thing linked in though fairly people pay for a printing. Memberships, which eyes something I've never done. But if you do that, you have to change up your prima account licence and resolve that whole thing before actually closing your account, which makes sense, is probably fairly a payment involved. Who, who knows you have to leave? You have to do what You have to resolve. The accounts are like you're, with your pay, your pay for linked in accounts. Before you can closure basic account, The idea producer is simple. Overall, here's a thing eyes you have Myspace accounts, when you are younger, did I ever yeah had like the flickering. Give backgrounds even every all day,

The many track that would trigger- and you have brought on Myspace band accounts to I don't wanna music, that my my old band Myspace is actually saw. There was taken out banks, the cubist nice to be in an hour. My stay still stills. Around day, mind two lions and scissors check it out here, but anyway getting away from the plugs, I wanted to delete my personal myspace account. So Try to go and do that today and found out that it was up to my old AOL. Email address that woody fifty get that email address and ninety ninety seven in my parents basement it was awesome for a time really got gummy through everything. Anyway, forget you I really did. Every mail I sent for years was through AOL you probably loaded with like one of those floppy they came in them. He did you multiple times right. They give you the floor. I love raided every time. Every point, o o change, lies somewhere

what happened with your AOL, account cookies and shake it up it hold it. Delete, Myspace go to a well in order. It's a well had to change my password. I logged in a pair we, if you dont access and AOL account four hundred eighty days, they deactivate that thing. Nor can that's gonna nice deactivate your account for not using it, but I was really nervous, because my personal information still in that thing, ok, all those years ago and If anyone wants to hack it or easily get into it, it's there just sitting there. So I tried to delete that. I would just on a spree today anyway, you delete your AOL account your free AOL account, at least I could not there. There is supposed to be a places. Says: cancel account and that button was not there on three different browsers when you're a tech savvy guy to seventy. Imagine someone, and maybe it was less job right, even

attempting to do any of the stuff. I went through every help centre thing that existed only while trying to find it ended up calling a well. I took my phone and I called a oil and talk to some. Who walked me through all the security steps in he said he deleted my crimes. Are you called ale? Does their phone numbers? The word therefore never works for customer service. Is it just some guy, like four guys in a call centre and John who knows was just one guy at his house? I have to say they picked up call really fast because they have anything else to do for a whole year, I who's to say how many people are working there and how many, what their call volume is. Hardly that You could ask the move, will it if it works me. So if you're out there and you ve got me well account for ninety ninety seven, you want to get rid of it. You can there, website you can go to in you can find their their number. It's one, eight hundred eight to seven six three, for you can do right now, if you want to do it and

Steve really wants a friend to talk to my car and we're not Steve the that Steve our ongoing inner, say Internal Steve, the AOL tax of worker yeah yeah, we're pretty Steve Rich here it stuff they don't want. You did not want to say, is names, Rico SOAP did it's all just just cause number ass for Rico or Steve. Yeah yeah tell him that set you they'll know You ve gotta be the only man they called it in a while theirs to all its own that we may have to explore pursued all its own that we may have to explore in the future, and that is good they're all my god there is a search council help site, but it gets very complicated, very quickly. Google has its hooks in you all up inside

It all you we're thing: it's all about indexing. Does Google everything that gets posted everywhere, it indexes and you can go and ask Google to remove stuff and take it out of search results, but ultimately you're talking about websites that are being hosted like let's, there's a news article written about you. Then you object to theirs, really no way to get Google to do anything. You gotta go to the people who posted the day say hey Google Delay my internet browser right one day, there might be a thing.

Problems River was neither moist command for the stupid Google glass into the Hague, a glass peggy, yes, but but probably if that command ever exist. As your saying that's going to be the domain of a very small group of people out for Sri ability of Euro very high level, exacts- or maybe bankers like Rothschild level stuff like has privacy- is going to be one of the ultimate luxuries. As we wish. Past episodes we're talking about. We ve, given some examples about how you can attempt to remove some of this information. From search engines from social media. This leads to perhaps the most important query, the most important question here.

Most important interactive. I'm just thinking of senator keep on the other, the billion, then bucks asked ok. Does any of this actually work will answer that question after a word from our sponsor here's, where it It's crazy, so Ben looks like I'm gonna delete, Myra history right to hope, Gunnar Penguin, you silly by smack, Gunnar Penguin you silly by it's, not gonna happen. You ve gone too far right at this point there. Is virtually no chance that you met will be able to

we re all of your data from the internet and don't take a hard there's, no chance that I would be able to or nor would be able to her Tristram would be able to, even if it seems that we have deleted information from a particular part of the yet the owners of that site or that organization might have just change the access to the info. So for most of us, right, deletion or array sure means just that they complete irreversible removal of a given. Yet we know from our recycling bans on our computers that when you delete something it just go somewhere else temporarily. And then you know there are programmes that are specifically designed to like right ones and zeros over land data. But when you just do a right, click delete empty, Recycle Bin, just kind of scattered the little fragments of it all over as why apple machines do it on an adequate. But you know with pcs: you have to de fragment your hard drive down and because it literally has bits of

it, I just kind of strewn Willy nilly, maybe in any computer scientists at their call me at a dummy of unless anger I ve been as my understanding of it and then into data recovery stuff, which it is possible to back in time on that harder of data for renders ex yeah darker yeah, as shown in somewhat earlier examples. The actions that private entities allow us to take don't actually delete information. Instead, they make it so that you can no longer see your info and other people may not be able to see it as easily the illusion of control, the illusion of controls nearly once you ve accepted those terms, your kind of accepting them in purpose, Woody. Aren't you you're up the Greek I may have done so, whatever whatever they choose to do with that stuff. You know you, you put faith in them, not doing anything, the fairies, but getting a bit of a leap there. If

being honest but yeah, I mean your kind of getting yourself and thing that information is just vanished in that year. The one who decided to make at her Yet it is every time you delete, a part of your digital self. Inane took its wings are not actually killing. Well, maybe when I wait gets pizza. Yes, it should for sure that one by unilaterally deleted thing or killing anything you're, just making a ghost, because Europe, that ghost is then able to. Through. You know some kind of data aggregation thing a through whatever service you were using and in their taking it in creating a new version of you, but it's just a couple more ones and zeros right, and this with the remains of your digital self. I, like this ghost analogy, met your theory. All digital self will be used for various purposes tar. Dean for ad campaigns. Right then they may not know Matt, Frederick anymore, but they certainly no

american male, twenty five to thirty six, and then they knew, and then that is the new label for your ghosts. They also learn social networks and preferences. We don't need to know they give if we all just become american Male Ajax to why, whatever I am we're all connected with a social network. They don't need to know our names to influence that Social network, and this can also go into aggregate electoral data your election data around this. This makes a dangerous in the real world because a ties into public sphere influence. We have a great example of that in recent history. Ride like the whole Russia, Facebook thing yeah, where Russia created these profile, rushing hackers, humming calves,

We have to know her out play the game. Allegedly russian affiliated hackers went into Facebook and created, bought, persona does and bought or false front organisations to plant news stories and sway people's political decisions. Additionally, as I think we are, mentioned here, in many cases, information we share with other people will remain after we attempted to delete everything else. If, if nor has a picture of me and its under his profile and delete my profile, it's like remove that hold me, remove the tag they'll. Maybe you remove the tag on, but you see, I still see why mug here he was doing the clown face again in celebration of it. Is you know that, right here, as I want to call it the Eddie Vetture face. Thank you. Thank you, Bethesda. When

one great example of this in the past celebrities of task there, pr teams with removing unflattering photos from the internet. This rarely meets with success. One example, I remember is there was an unflattering picture of beyond, say: knolls E r B, singer, beggar, tenor back shirt, and this this picture was funding and became part of what people call Photoshop battles and a change in the background there making funny was a mean he's gonna, like an M M, MID squat in like a dance move that, obviously, if you saw the whole thing and contacts and be super bad ass, but it's one of those like mid face squat things where it's just just the right moment to make a very obviously gorgeous woman appear manage and ass. She hoped the little she well they. Actually that was wanted

a sharp ones, they turned her skin green and she looks like she's. Just like you know, hulking out literally, but yet and then her people took issue with them. And attempted to have its grubbed you're on the internet, but, as we know, that's a little harder than it sounds so worse thing you can tell people who are spending their free I'm on the internet. Making jokes is hey guys. Please don't make a joke about this our president actually did that where there were some unfair photos of him that he did not want to be making the rounds and then on the internet, collective. We laughed at him, yeah, I, and rightly so. I think, if you I think, unfortunately, if anybody is out of touch him

to ask for that deletion without the the power to enforce it. I wonder if the executive branch would have the power to force in other countries. Governments do have the power to prevent images from being outside of Dino being on the public sphere, but those countries have a different manner of control. For information dissemination. I do want to seem foregoing. There is one, the only example I can think of someone who is able to keep a lot of their pictures off the internet. Gary Larsson. The creator of far side- you can so fine a bunch, but he he wrote this really nice letter to people where he said: hey guys, I just couldn't wanna, keep it in the books, if that's ok soup,

Humble super funny, of course, his Gary Larsson. You can still see a lot of it on their meal, just where someone is obviously taken picture of a of a comic with their cell phone or something, but that's the only even partially successful vote There is one more wacky neighbour, tied character. We haven't covered in the ongoing sitcom known as your digital self, on the internet, that is the government. Oh, it's dead I can say the National Security Agency. What are they get knocked to this week? Wealth is formally secret government agency, we'd like to talk about on this, show we even have an intern from there hangs out with us and listens to every little thing. We do big up Steve you'll, get through that chemistry class. They collect data Signal intelligence. Oh that sounds good. It's very, very good! Here's the thing

rate at it, so great that they are the best in the busy. It's also really good at find those loopholes ways around original mandates, o in all of this is in the name of national security, so I found the show and privacy advocates around the world. You guys are fully aware of the US, his official stance, which is the say: charter limits its powerful surveillance to the rest of the world. Not to U S, sin, ogoni would know that bit but by now. Most people are at least you know, sir. We aware that the USA's legal abilities and real world actions a man entirely Saincte up so good,

would be that up until twenty seventeen, the USA was essentially able to survey all domestic sources with a kind of sketchy interpretation of the seven. Oh two provision of the foreign intelligent surveillance act. You may know it as vice up. We love the acronyms here on stuff. They don't want you to know they searched their massive network of wiretaps for keywords. Called selectiveness in any part of that communication pass outside of the: U S for any reason whatsoever boom. They suck the data up into the their internet, data rabbit all down the middle of nowhere in Utah. That's where they live in, Reason here, literally means any reason, so you made a lame terrorist joke and pass through a server in any other country, counting Canada boom you're up for grabs a no it does not matter. We checked it don't matter if it was you and another american working

pines or or rubbed try and make funny acronyms. The good news is that, as of twenty seventeen, the New York Times reports that the agency will no longer collect, sir, internet communications that merely mention a foreign intelligence target and will instead limit such collection to internet communications, their sent directly to or from a foreign target. That's disturbing because that means before then, if Matt send a text about Osama Bin Laden light of the target mentioning a target for the sake of argument right and it was to one of his friends who is in say, let's say Anne Boleyn and we are discussing an episode on said Bin Laden, yeah yeah.

Like well when I get back room the ancestral home in Romania, them all do an episode on ISIS or something that would mean that everything on those phones is now subject to search for time immemorial. There's another wrinkle in the plot here, so the say, can't gather information on you. If you are, if you live in the? U S, however, foreign intelligence and sees, can gather information on you and then through network like five eyes share it with the USA City

say, can be like a no no harm, no foul, not chicken up on you but Canada. However, over there he is already yes, dodgy reminds me of two guys. Remember those on the controversy. Over Maiden America Tags were turned out that some stuff was being made in the trophies sweatshop conditions in some islands in the South Pacific that were american territories, so they could still say made in America or are assembled in the USA. So there is more good news, however, a once the innocent ends, its bulk collection and storage of millions of Moroccans form records later this year. It will also it says, eliminate analysed access to

five years worth of old info. So anything you did target in the last five years. Apparently the inner say, as I can allow its analysed to look at it. That's nice yeah yet is, however, technical personnel. That's imports will be able to access it for another three months to verify the records produced under the new system yeah. Ok bears sees above board, there's gonna verify all the stuff is right is right. It's its meeting, the new goals, also ongoing court cases round. The programme require the essayed to hold onto the data until the cases are finalized in court. Ok,

Jeff seems fine, absolutely awful above the board right above the bed bucks. So this is just a brief overview of what happens when you try to remove information, and we we have a couple of conclusions. I guess the first one I don't know. Why are you guys rip the bandit off people, ores, we feel it rip it man, I agree with you. I can. I can tell you that conclusion. Ok, you you, you don't even need to try and earlier information. If it's gone up online, it's up online. If somebody when your friends as a camera, phone and facebook account there's probably pictures of you and you probably get tagged, even if you don't have an account in theirs you can do about it, and your public records are probably gonna stay online. That's the scariest thing,

there is in leisure, the wheel of a powerful intelligence agency or some organisation that we don't know about with abilities that we don't understand, There is virtually no way you'll be able to delete your online presents entirely the digital. You will not only survive your efforts to do, did your digital? You will most likely survive after the physical version of you is gone and like a ghost got over legacy, haunted yeah, it's a very black mirror right and it would probably remain after your children are gone as well your future, you may be, there may be some way to construct a real ghost capable of programmatic responses. Answer Childer might even be able to talk to. You are taught us a version of you. You can, however, delete at least some of your data and make more of an increasingly.

Difficult to find you privacy, so that only the very committed or connected people will be able to learn more than the most basic facts about you. Media things are your friend on everything you use. I just had to say that if you want still, you suffer media unconnected friends, just ample those privacy settings you're only talking to people you have directly connected to and purposefully said. Ok, I know this person even then Israel dangerous, because accounts can get hijacked and all that, and then they have your info, but you know play as safe as you can. You can also use private services to help clean up your online presence in. We strongly suggest research these thoroughly before choosing one and also understand that they do not have the power to force other website owners to with anything, especially when those sites are in countries with relaxed rules on consumer protection is very point, and if you really feel strongly about

now pursuing further levels and anonymity orb genome completely. Shutting off the information as spigot altogether really gonna have to. Change your lifestyle. You know it's like what they say about them losing now that stuff, you can't just as no magic way to do it. You gotta just change your habits, threatened and if you want to learn more about that stuff, you can check out an early represent. We did on whether or not it's actually possible to be on the internet in any kind of anonymous and what is their life's. I, like I mean, like a booby, just a kind of be like leaving your apartment. No, you just won't. You dont have a cell phone. I used orders, you don't let people take pictures of you. Don't hang out with friends. Don't participate with any me. There's a lot o b, I guess be. A hermit only take jobs are paying cash, which means that you would all

on the fringes of sitting, be like a pariah kind ever mean. This is like the lowest the low our society has evolved into a place where you have have this technology you have to participate than I have a friend who was chosen to not be on Facebook and he's always stoning when I find out something that he has found out and am I to discount Facebook is again on the agenda. Am I man like? Why is I just I just don't? Do it at a wanna, be that guy he's older but like he made out, feels very strongly about like this not being a part of his life. Here I mean I can understand. Where he's coming from another thing, you could do if you want to change your lifestyle in this way is to get a large degree in common, sin digital agreements that way and actually read the terms of service every time and then decide Maybe I don't want that. We used to think

There is great article in the guardian about the terms of service debate and a lot of it. They were dealt with a fifth several layers of this one of which, being the war It except verses, join or opt in order that all matters- and you know what they're trying to feed into this past habit of just click through you know, don't even pay it a second glance, but there are enough there. There is discussion, like. Should we change where these terms fall in the process of signing up for a service? Should it be right up front? So we, before you know you in islands to gratification, is always at that point right before you get that you click it because you like ready to have the things you don't think about it. So you know Maybe steer people into possibly reading the terms a little more carefully since there some really heavy seven there. But this article talked about how

it was in the guardian, written by David Baby. It posed the question of when you, when you go to the doktor you experienced early sign a contractor agreed in terms of services of being worked on by a doctor, but you expect the doktor to uphold their Torreon duty, the hippocratic oath or whatever, and not you know, screw you over, and it's almost like this article suggested that maybe society could almost influence some of these. Money is to be a little more responsible and not sell your staff to third parties instantly. You know there's so much money another or at least to be goods, better stewards of your information, and there is good news. If you live in some countries. If you live in the European Union, you may be able to take advantage of something called the right to be forgotten. Do check it out it's the idea that you are ultimately the owner of

your own data grown creation is a fantastic fact sheets. Then the EU, Mercosur forests that you can find online from the European Commission

go through. All of these different rules like what can has to be met for you to take on this right to be forgotten sure, and its is viewed as a you. You can find it if you search for still not a silver bullet, and if you listening in the United States as died out the boy you I guess, we would be remiss redrawing toward the interior. We would be remiss of me didn't point out there also advantages to having information online in the cloud, locating loved ones in emergencies. Arguably, convenience new course, medical processes right and in some to dovetail the point that you and your making earlier met. This does all come down to a matter of trust. Indeed, as we said earlier faith, how can you trust but verify the claims of private companies such as peace and social media platforms? How can we trust the statements of the government when we are aware of the actions it is

taken in the past spoiler, and this is just my opinion. You cannot. I think arguments based on faith are not the strongest, it's tough to imagine a company or a government, or even an individual willingly, giving up all the power implied in this, this great amalgamation of fortune and, if you're not prepared to completely divorced, The internet, I mean, because it is a heck of a lifestyle change that we are describing here. Then perhaps your best bet is to treat everything you post. I lie matter how ephemeral and arbitrary may seem as party or permanent record together member those threats absolutely yeah. It's gone under permanent record. This photo of you do and a beer head stairs make a first pillar. That was something that was just like in, like Nickelodeon shows about me now being in high school.

Going on your parents. I can assure you all you kids listening there, record is very real and anything you do is going directly on it. So, beyond your best behavior you kid does listen to the show not yet we hope You have enjoyed this episode. I know when a little longer than usual were exploring the stuff we want to hear from you. Are you a person who has contemplating hopping off the grid. Do have a weird story about some internet voodoo that occurred to you, or are you person who came in from the cold war? You formerly off the grid? Did you have the kind of parents never gave you a social security number. I know a couple of folks like that in the crowd. If so, what has your experience been? I got creed. Doubt region We agree on the video gaming system, which I shall make em in the eighteen hundreds when I

It's like a video game of shifting the heck, however, the police station in just the built in a region of privacy stuff there. You know that there is a button just to automatically share things out there to start streaming. Yeah yeah, I don't know it's a different world right boy. Are we want to hear your stories about that and we'd like to here? I any advice that you have for your fellow listeners. I have you tried to delete something. Did you find a really great way to do it or awaited get through the the Google WEBS mothers There was a Google has, let us now yes and let your fellow listeners no as well. Speaking of your fellow There's that reminds us it's time for you had gone asked, but not just your average garden. Variety shout out quarter, ladies and gentlemen, no,

a bit? I don't know why it has radically we're doing a physical shout out we're gonna shout toward an actual human face. Yes, that's remember earlier in the show. We mention that this episode is a team up a collaboration with our colleagues over at part time. Genius out, we are lucky enough to have one of the host of part time genius will pierce, here lies on the show in person will thank you for coming a guy's great, be here where we promised right actually going to shout and your folk. I think you are really really wanted to just for fun and just because you're full of rage Matthew knows a very happy excited he'll be here, may shouted. You guys is that of enthusiasts, please down. Then, by that please direct the shouts, the shouts toward me. I probably have the worst hearing of the three of us. So will you on part time genius explored ACE,

subject that is kind of a rabbit hole and into a fantastic. Complimentary exploration to our own that we just had earlier in this up. Whereas we were asking what can a person delete off the internet or if it's possible to do so you and your co host mango were exploring. What information actually exists about a person online right right it in, and this idea for us came about because one, listeners, road and after having an experience being it again, restore buying a product going home and bite having never looked up that product on looking up that product on line. They started being targeted with ads about that product and it was not a common thing with some sort of independent, so tiresome like that, and they thought this is weird like is this coincidence, or am I actually being targeted in some way, and so that's really We started exploring more units, one of those things that I think most people

surprised that you know they're being tracked online when they visit a website and that then, maybe they are targeted with ads because of that behaviour online? I think what most people fully. Recognising that we didn't even fully appreciate was the fact that all of your interactions, even in the real space you go to a grocery store. You got any other kind of story. You swipe that membership card, the way that data is then exchanged among so many companies, so you're you're, making a purchase there email address that phone number is matched up with what Facebook or some other property has. As your email and phone you no phone number and all of it seeing tat. They know that much more about you and it's that much easier for them to try to target you with products and things in an hour or so we talked a good bit about the idea of accepting those terms of use and a lot of that is you basically saying I'm ok with this right right, legally speaking, yeah, absolutely I mean uh, that's that's one of the things that we talked about. His studies

showing that yes, we know that this information is all out there and that they know this information about us, but at the same time you know it's pretty nice to beacon dead and it's me already nice to have this convenient. So do we really want to give them up and most of us say now, would you would you say for the uninitiated in this strange where above info bartering, would you say that maybe your common bricks and mortar loyalty cards are us in demand, baker part of this network. Absolutely so you ve, provided you know the cashier with your phone number your email address, and then there are companies. It just give a couple of examples like there's a company called data logic which works with these. With he's grocery stores or other bricks and mortar their purchasing this data. There, then turning around and selling it to a place like Facebook and so Facebook has this add programming, division called ATLAS, that's very sophisticated, much more so than I think we even realize

that they then have this data, and when that information is sink up, they knew that that friend purchased that Canada. Because they had either swipe their card or given their phone number or that it was likely to be them and that's how they knew to target them? well, that's not only on Facebook but any site, any page that has a facebook like button or share button that they have the opportunity to show ads on those those pages as well. So. It's definitely part of that. You wait for the augmented reality. Minority report had placements like that when you walking through the bus station is given you all have you any other religion that black mere episode where you have to spend your hard earned credits to skip the ad, because it's actually projecting it constantly in your field? in order to make it go away, you have to spend money laundering credits, likened the episode Merit

his rival nine million marriages, unlike those red thread, emphasised very, very bizarre and prescient honour or a bright side the euro, if were more, if its grading us and how likely we are to do things, it reminds me of liquor global version of high school superlatives. You know no out all bad, maybe it's not all crime, maybe I'm like mood most likely to open for Louis UK Whatever dream? Big assume, that's what I was gonna Louis indefinitely, maybe open the door to the bathroom, while his walking in all right, we'll work will fix this imposed right now. You're, so smoking bathrooms. I noticed As you know, we have an office, we work out of an office here and in the shared restroom with everybody on the floor, I couldn't tell the notice this is a complete side note by the way the labor was out again and you get? Staff here is just sometimes aloud

labour is necessarily means. Yet we Maybe you found a solution where we ve got good news you hear me. We know that there are over eight billion items out. There are connected to the web and we ve been looking into all of these different types of devices, and there is something which is kind of like the internet of toilet paper and its this new product called role scout and it informs you ve. A male or up when the toilet paper, where is low or out, and I have to admit, I made fun of this product when Manga should it on our episode and then, as I thought about it more, I thought you know. You're business owner your cafe owner, or something like that. I mean this is something that really takes offer. A customer and though for sixty box, you can then keep tabs on this and no one that toilet paper is run. As a kind of all in on this thing. Does Amazon buttons that you can get that's like a button that specifically tied to a product like tighter, suddenly and you stick to your washing machine and when you notice that you get

entire. Your jam that button finally automatically places in order for you for tied. So it's like you know we pretend pay in this stuff is well, and indeed like these acts and things like that in the button, or almost like, complicit versions of this tracking stuff, we were like we're gonna participating in this process and its like four people. You know this argument that it's worth it my foe, it's fine! I don't care if you know how many times I would retire, because you need to search for things on Amazon right. You'll, never again served up ads like in your gmail account. That's all connected clearly, and I think that that's one of the things that we talk about the episode as well as you know we focused so much on one of the websites were visiting and what are we doing on social media and we're not stopping to think about all of the products integrated into our everyday lives, which are now connected to the broader web, that our providing data and other information to these companies as well. There was one.

Made me laugh at first and then it scared me it's this product called Aristotle from Mattel. It's basically like this hundred dollar version of Alexa but for little ones and say you have it in your room with a baby you're a toddler and it not only has the facial recognition and voice recognition, but it's a machine. That's in this room that is able to track pretty much everything that's happening there. So, every time a diaper is changed. Every time reading is occurring and so from day one these lives or- interact and at some point this data is then available to Mattel to do whatever with right to decide how we need to be in a re targeted. Some way or how products need to be customized for us. So maybe not you then a scary way, but at the same time, is just so odd to think that from this first day of a baby's life all of the status of It is not scary at all. Well enough, it's the only way we will be able to make the first real superior. We have two nerves

what a human is like from the day it is born until it is able to put its own pants. You're right and he called Aristotle, which sounds very smart- must be fine. Do you think all this stuff is affected the field of market research alone? I mean, can you even imagined borderline line replaced. Yes, yes, I mean, with all of this doubt of their Ike it's hard imagine how much these jobs and that world market research have changed in the past ten years. You know how much more doubt in an old well being amount of data? That is there and what to do with its probably one of those things at this point that even the companies up whether they're like we don't know what,

we're gonna do at this, but we're gonna have so much tat. I just out of aiding over that by GOSH by Golly. Do no one of the questions that occurred to us when we were listening to Europe. A suit was the the concept of whether or not this is inevitable. In oh has the has. The cyclist already shifted. Has the badgers out of the bag? Rightly right it? What what do you think you think it's possible that people would somehow rebelled against this, or is it at this point as it already reach what Malcolm Gladwell would call? The tipping point I mean you have to feel like this has already passed a certain point where again, because of the upside there, what we would perceive as the upsides. You know the pleasure

that's brought to us by having this constant connection with other friends and what people are getting out of that and the ease that it's. You know the fact that I can go get my time just by pressing the button or whatever it is. It mean that convenience means a lot to people and I think they're willing to sacrifice a whole largest too those things. So I don't know, I'm sure, there's gonna continually battles over this and more and more battles over this, but it also feels like we're only seeing the beginning of this complete connecting us anyway wherein the frequent. If this fill this is it as tough gets better, the eye gets more advanced. Maybe we don't even have to push the button peddled is no that we're out of tied based on our habits and our purchasing. Patterns for tied or some product it'll automatically know what to send us when so that we never run out of you know: Americans draft single hurry stuff that you didn't know. You wanted

it'll be eyes. Just there make no brown, we have delivered your shipment of tied and do router bakers. Oh, I was Craven a router and you sounded just like my wife, which makes it a green paper system, at least Joey, you know, and to show that we always endeavour to not just provide information but provide opportunities to act, and with this in mind, will we were hoping to ask you? Is there I say hoping ask we'll just ask you: is there and is there any like advice, or I guess words of guidance, hand or words of warning that you could give to our listeners when it comes to their online presents? I think, honestly, it's really just about being aware that this is happening and trying to know what your comfort level is with us. You know if this is not something that your

people with these companies. Having all of this dad and a certain amount of this is inevitable right, but if you dont want that data to be shared, you know you probably need to wait signing up for these memberships of various clubs and things that we're all of this is exchanged. But for the most part, is it it's making that decision for yourself? Am I comfortable with this information being out there, but then just being she s and knowing that any information that Europe providing to one company is going to be shared with several others, and anything any activity that you're participating in online is available to so many others out there as well. So I don't think, there's any sort of like magic thing that you can do and as you guys, if discussed the idea of trying to just completely wipe the web of your existence,

is pretty much impossible right, so I think it's just deciding whether were willing to participate in the digital world as it is now and and if so, to to what extent I am another question to two followed suggest occurred to me: are the real concerns that parents should have now that their raising children in an entirely you shut off the rest of the world and you played- and you were just kind of in this other world. There is this need for children. Now, by the time there and middle school too, about that is just more unlike when we, Europe and you came home from school and you shot off the rest of the world and you played- and you were just kind of in this other world. There is this need for children now, by the time there and middle school to be constantly connected and their brains arm almost aren't ready for this are capable of managing that answer. That is one of my concerns. It of course, there's

Concerns about what information, your sharing and how exposed you're and making sure that you protect yourself. In that sense, there is also the sense of just helping our children have that necessary bread from the outside world and just existing in a world of two or three friends and their family. To me, that's one of the most important parts about this is not having them feel from such an early age that they have to have this twenty four seven connection is just not good for anybody's brain, much less kids. From struggling with that, with my kid not be like, over right, that time is done here, just let it go away, but I have to write you don't know you don't have to hear, and it starts as almost toddlers Jimmy the aim in the end, what she's dino sort of it and I want to sell my gun. In my home town of an advanced eight year old, as I felt like yeah it's just like I. It hurts me to see her almost falling into these kind of active behaviour cycles rise like stop stop here.

Ass. I let it go, we're saying stop as were also picking up to this, I would say we have a new email or whatever and the worst, and I set at worst example and like the classic do, as I say, not as I do, which I feel like a total, hypocritical jerk, but I'm try I'm trying ever. Days well by say I moved to the Blue Ridge mountains. They are some great communities out there disconnect remove the quiet zone there, you go There's, no cell phone, no tv, no radio, nothing, just badges yeah, just the rocks sticks and only no problems out. There are also the most stable people. That's reaction to congregate there too, and that is

story for eight another day kidding. You can check it out right now, because we did an episode on our dearest misadventures in the quiet zone. I end before you do that. Will we wanna? Thank you so much for Calabria on the show em, for I coming lending your expertise to our friends and neighbours in the audience how this has been a lot of fun. I'm a long time fan of the show here. So it's really been a blast getting onto work on this together and lest we forget that this was but a taste of the part time genius perspective on this subject. So where can folks go find the full meal hey? This was our new episode over Parttime genius come check this out, then we hope you enjoy it wherever you get your podcast nicely done. Yes, nicely done, that's the line, and this includes out

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