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to be tough on. The answer is just not true fever facts over conspiracy. What should american citizens know and trust standards over hearsay at MSNBC? This is what we do. This It's who mad This is a fun when this this, when Ganis in some hot water on Youtube, Do you remember where do with the real devil? Worshippers? it's interesting in this kind of them primary reason for making this video tall you out two ferrying ism verses. What someone would consider a devil worshiper. Some who does rights in rituals based on some city make ideology sure,

Marylin, Manson, Satanism, verses, Alister Crowley's. Yet we in this classic episode, we dive into the question of whether or not there are real. The correct phrase would be theistic satanist people who believe, in God the Devil and have chosen propitiate and worship the devil for some reason or another, and this is very, did we go through a lot of stereotypes? This is different from you know the levy kind of church of Satan stuff that you may have heard about we're. Looking for the real deal, rituals sacra, vices, you do all those rumours about the people who light Metallica indulges dragons during this, tat, panic or most of or magic the gathering, we're Alice Cooper, yeah and

you know, maybe you watch sons of SAM recently on Netflix, where they talk about the city in a panic and potential new devil worship that may or may not have been involved with the Son of SAM killings while Hague. This is is over you check it out. For me, supposed to go. Stand government cover. Ups. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn stuff. They don't want you to know hello. Everyone welcome back to the show today, then that we are talking about somebody, so I don't know- Could he tell you is someone who never gets mentioned in a word speeches fate. That's right! Man! That's right today.

We are following up on our video podcast that came out or leader with an audio pie cast on Satan. The question of the day which we addressed or video pie test was or their real Satan worshippers, yes, and we found that in fact yes, there are. Basically, the answer regarding the Youtube comments was, of course yeah. I guess people know a lot more about Satan worship than we do school. May we get it were women. you want some research, all we can find all kinds of fun things, so we're gonna go! You can have a background on all this stuff. We're gonna give you some of the allegations against worshippers of Satan we're gonna, look at the reality of Lucifer areas on which is a slightly different thing, sure any our come along with for the ride. Yeah hobbling make a thousand

organ with us for the rest of this podcast? I don't know what that means. I promise spike. Ass is not like seven years long. If a soul exist, you will keep yours at the end of first a little bit of a disclaimer Matt you, and I know that it is incredibly difficult to talk about these sorts of subjects right absolutely, and we want to make sure that we're separating the facts from our opinions and we will be extremely careful to let you know what is our opinion and what a so yeah seen right. Yes, signal, and when it will, we hope you enjoy this episode and if you do love it, please let us know if you do have a problem. there's something you think we got completely wrong. Please remember that because these things are so subjective. It's very easy for anyone, including met myself impossible. You listener to mistaken opinion for a fact

nor even super producer know who neither shout out here. No, we had some people write in by the way about the Halloween special you, Canada did a great job. Yeah got some tweets. When the music is, we get some great emails about it, anyhow, Satan no I think I did it on his own with his own blood, sweat and tears. No dark deals with Mephistophelean in the conventional christian sense, right, Satan, is who met, he is a rebellious angel. Some say he was the most loved by God, but he D gone wrong and he had to go to a place down below right into the aromatic. Religions or been stories. Re ancient stories about Lucifer or the devil as the entity is known today

the devil really loses huge points with God when God creates Human, Seward gods, new favorite thing ever and he tells all the angels, God tells all the aims to bow down before humans and Lucifer is man, I was your first on come on. Get me yeah like this is the bulk, and this is done. We ay Then it's an interesting idea goes back to when you look at children in families where there are multiple children and the psychology behind being the first born. Second born like a middle child, her third child- and The Bible got a lot of the stuff, can write about the internal. Let's say demons that you have to fight her anxious in comparison. I haven't. I have not thought about it that way, but we do know that's why no that so many stories are repeated throughout. The three main remain: religions right

and we know that the cause of this rebellion right. However, it happens course the details differ right as far as the timeline wind Satan falls, but we know that because of this rebellion, he becomes the antagonists of this universe. To this belief system, in this interpretation saying, is changed over time, so modern Christianity today associate Satan with the serpent in Adam and Eve who's going hey come on, man just eat the fruit, the wire you we entered you're being so weird Eve by Saint who himself, as as we mention the video. The actual individual is when new testament thing you have been in the new testament,

see come along when he's tempting Jesus when he's out on when Jesus out on his wilderness journey in he's kind of seen as attempt her, there is trying to get Jesus to move away from his faith by offering him things sure yeah. They have that Lion King moment where they said and the clear finances, and all of this can be yours. If you just do what I say is heavily. If you just choose me over got so this concept of an adversarial spirit is far: some unique many religions have adversarial entities right and it's possible that the modern, understand you seen in the Christian and perhaps the islamic religious while driving. Heart from religious sink racism, the men

the aim of different religions when they meet so we got the ever May concepts dating back to how Satan the unjust obstructing the challenger. I too am preexisting. Religions are particularly babylonian, which was fascinating to me. Man now take a look at Zorro Aspirin ISM, which is cool, did some just some Wikipedia and even just to make sure match of all the imagery and everything s fascinating. One interesting thing that we found in a research is that one groups- God can be another group Satan and vice versa- and we found this in a couple- a different places. I wasn't even that group narcissism diagnostics than gnostics. This is a name for group believes that the practitioners believed that the material world this the one that we are this thing on the early singers podcast in

was created and is ruled by a demiurge or creator who is not God, the ruler of the Spirit World, ass, a God, the actual God rules. The spirit were yes and this dim. I urge rules the material playing. that's correct array- and we know that the stimuli urge is not the best entity, not the best thing, in fact, is in an antagonist attempting to impede the human soul, their spirit from reaching a higher plane. You'll hear called names like yoga. Both there there's some great moment in gnostic literature about this. The elder bought this chief, our con. in this system. What we think of, as the main god is. Instead, the stimuli urge and there's a higher plane with benevolent creator that exist in the spiritual world. So if you can who cast your memory back their Lord to borrowing

Van Morrison Song two centuries and said years ago, when people would say this is the God that we worship and then these gnostic folks would say, ah God is the bad guy, though we're we're doing something else, so you guys are sword a double worshippers, but of course it was phrased in that way, and the these beliefs, gnostic police, were considered heretical and very close to ah Satanism, but it's It's a different interpretation. You know what I mean. We do know that there are different types of straight of sickness willow, if only you probably know about the most was started by this guy named Anton Levey. It's called the system is also called atheistic Satan as a meter religious philosophy. That basis is a lot of its system of belief on egoism, individualism and self deification. So you you are

most important thing as the practitioner inside this belief system. Ok, but it still is still lacking. Hence in a religious way, because they practice magic, gray, oh yeah, they practise magic, but they do not worship, Satan or the devil. Okay, so they were should the symbol that exact his loose a fairy in almost promethean light bringer. That's what they're worshipping we found the that's pretty common, at least for me when I was searching around that's a fairly common thing and people who say they were ship sate nor the devil, thee use a system of belief, not necessarily actually worshipping a deity or anti deity. So then this case. We know that this would not. This would not be the real siegman, worshippers that were too about an hour. Videos were in the title question of this podcast

not necessarily vases it in because of what they call themselves share this year by year, always in a while. We we know that you can read more about this type of Satanism in and Holidays book, the satanic Bible and we have a list of some of their rules again, these were made by Anton Levey. These did not come down from sums. Of golden tablet, equivalent or whatever eyes pretty transparent about that, and you know what this is. In time, but I feel like it should definitely be called Libias rather than Satanism. Just because was kind of written by one guy I see where you're saying, and I wonder if he

I wonder what the choice was to say that I guess it's because the symbol in form so much of the belief system, but you know that's the thing. If you make something up you you get to name it through and no offence of a guy. By saying something is Satanism, I'm sure didn't hurt in getting Press from what I understand and not to make this an anthem of apes CAS that he had been practising things like this for some time before he gathered this material may religion and although there have been some schisms in the church of Satan between other the churches, runners ray and levies, daughter d, the organisation itself, it continues today so don't know dogging it, and certainly not are you just maybe stating an obvious thing: gear Leviathan, but maybe I don't know people's question would be here.

download, I am sure I will eat. Here's the thing, despite the ning, they advocate some things that are actually not that bad, philosophically, I dont completely agree with everything, but that's my opinion. Ear. There's some of the factual things met. Maybe uniting alternate on this. So he s a thing called the nine satanic statements, and they are satan- represents indulgence. Instead of abstinence, Satan represents a vital existence instead of spiritual, pipe dreams. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self deceit. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it. Instead of love wasted on ingrates, sick burn, Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek and represent

through its responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires, which we also video series I check it out, Satan represents man is just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours who be as of his divine spiritual and intellectual development, has become the most vicious animal of all. Now here's one of the really controversial once met Satan represents all of the so called sins I led the physical, mental or emotional gratification murder. I guess sure it's kind of a blanket statement, but there's one more Satan has been the best friend the churches ever had as he is kept it in business, all these years. So we see here there's a blunt candour to these statements. No, these are not necessarily the commandments. These are sort of mission,

statements of white sure. This sort of Satanism is, however, we do have what Levine calls the satanic rules of the earth and not to be outdone. He made eleven instead of ten that's right, and here they are one give opinions or advice. Unless you are asked to do not tell your troubles to others Unless you are sure they want to hear that's good advice, actually pretty good. when in another layer, show them respect or else do not go there agreed for a guest in your layer annoys. You treat them cruelly and without mercy. Woe to your house as do not make sexual advances. Unless your given the mating signal which yeah now without smell gotta, say without knowing what the mating signal is. I respect the idea, but I would definitely want to know what it is someone I accidently be in that kind of environment and make a maiden signal

you do come up with a universal human mating signal, yeah, there's some like body language things but I dont know if there's a one size fits all answer, anyhow, that the other day you ok, I'm glad that you thought that it was a strange one to six. This is pretty good, do not take that which does not belong to you forget so far, but wait, there's a comma unless, as a burden to the other person and a cry out to be relieved that could be the railways and take this for hurry from from me, please I you know, I'm taking it for you, I really appreciate it I'll see. You tomorrow knowledge, the power of magic view of employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained eight do not complete, about anything to which you need not subject yourself. I'm just want to go back to the previous one

really fast ban because yeah they Let's have magic tat, magic magic is real and believe it. If you don't, you can lose all the things you conjured. No one thing that's interesting about. This is a friend of mine. Who is a professor. He he's studies esoteric matter, Firstly, the concept of magic in the digital age, the nature of consciousness in a world where artificial intelligence may soon exist, and he sits

the really interesting to me one time he said if you don't like the term magic, if you're just reacting to that term, the same ways. People react some fairly conspiracy theories or you know some kind of political appellation, then dont considerate magic call it weapon. I psychology and I thought that was really insightful. You know I dig it, then I think it too. I dont know if That's the same thing that these be wertheimer, perhaps absolutely because I M full disclosure met, neither of us our satanist right right. No fitness are using this But there were he's a fair weather, Satanist okay, so I guess when it works out, ok,

so you're you're a euro sadness. The way that people are fans of the Falcons here in Georgian merely were or were not done. I've also say been the one about that you just said: do not complain about anything, you don't you don't have to you know you don't have the subject yourself. Do amazing, yeah people get the martyr complex and say I wish my life is so tough. I wish I didn't have to do this thing and then this say tat a rule, just it's out. Well, if you don't have to and really don't want to them, why are you doing it? Smart next do not harm young children. I think we're I agree with that. Everybody can get behind that one right here. Ten do not kill.

on human animals, unless you are attacked or for your food, so don't kill animals for funds is again. Ok that makes sense what about four sacrifices. I think that is, I mean if you know, you're not being attacked. Suffer food yeah. I don't know much about you later. Well, maybe that's levy issue Satanism. Instead, because we know that there are other kinds of Satanist. I've said too much. I was a very When walking and open territory bother no one, if someone there's you ask him to stop if he does not stop destroy him that's so metal here how you and of course you know, I won't open again that these things were talking about. While I don't agree everything that is just one person's opinion and the rules that are outlined

those eleven makes some really good points. Honestly, they do hurt yeah. The word animals makes me so much more sense than it would. If somebody just had heard that there were, Eleven satanic rules of the earth and you did know a thing about them. You would assumed so much work way, different yeah and this. If anything, the these are sort of rules of conduct their eyes If I also may behave in this way, I would consider them an upstanding person as an alternative, moral code to the one that a lot of us may be new girly up yet can I Read you the May. I read you. The satanic sins, though, could slow. Yes, ascends are ready. This ok, antimony. Us said these in nineteen. Eighty seven in the he said these are

things you should avoid the rolling nine, ok, stupidity, pretentiousness, celebs, ism self deceit, heard conformity, lack of perspective, forgetfulness of past orthodoxies, counter productive pride, lack of aesthetic so like having bad style or not appreciate in beauty is a sin that that's very interesting, but as we're about to find out, that is only one kind of satanist. this kind of Satan? Is there a lot of people in the West are familiar with right? Yes, they get into that right when we return, because it's time for word spots, This episode, brought to you by Bmw. You thought, Bmw, just the ultimate driving machine, but it is so much more that's right. It's also the ultimate electric driving machine, the old

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I think, as you said, very well, met its alternative belief, system or value system that doesn't necessarily make it a terrible thing. And it certainly not a reason to persecute someone, especially in a country that has freedom of religion like the. U S near it to me, the that I've seen them seems like a very structured form of individualism, yeah yeah. There's something cannot I'm Randy mountains. There's a little bit of objective is in there, but that's not what talking about these german thanks for hanging out through the word from our sponsor, now we have, I don't know about you met again is just my opinion. This is the most fascinating part of this. Oh yeah sure. Definitely it's gonna get dark the I can hear it getting darker already. I can hear it through. The house

decisions taken at what we are talking about now, ladies and gentlemen, is not the levy issue Satanist or the atheistic Satanist, but the fee is stick Satanist. These are the people who believe that there is a bad guy in the universe. There is an unholy entity, working against the creator of reality or illuminating it, and they said you know what let's prey to that guy near like that guy. So they also engage in ceremonial magic, however, Orson things as you and I were looking into sea worship, ripe, theistic saved gasp. We learned that, arson thing. Said a lot of people haven't consent especially when their moral panic about widespread, see, worship, oh yeah, so we have learned, then, is that accusations of Satan worship.

occur a lot more than the actual worshipping of Satan. Allow like the witches back in the day, a lot more people accused of being a which then we're witches, and with Mccarthyism and Communists adjusted, you know when there's some That scares you of you may be more inclined to accuse somebody of this thing that you're afraid of. Ah, I see We know that, while people who were accused of which aft back during the inquisition and other witch hunts, while they were possibly not christian, they probably words more shipping, Lucifer Ire, there's there fairly, compelling evidence that some people accused of witchcraft were practising a pagan. Religion of some sort right or something that might be a heretical belief system? Accusations of witchcraft, however, often had political or social

motives behind them, especially during periods of time when an accuser or an inquisitor would potentially be entitled to part of the EU, which is a state Aaron conviction exactly if they had anything to gain whatsoever from this person not be there. We can see similar patterns in all kinds of social panics. We talk about a couple, those even if you look at music, Iraq, music, all the way to the accusations of the hip hop performers, J C being secretly and leave the Illuminati which, by the way we covered check at our video and you know, through the Illuminati a lot of times. It gets London with the devil than theirs if that the Illuminati over all worships the devil, or at least an evil entity right

there's a story here that those interesting one time Judas priest was accused of being responsible for a crime that happened. The mother of this child said that listening to Judas preset compelled her son to criminal acts and they talked about what's called backward, masking yes, and what? What is it like you, have a better understanding this. That's it's pretty simple! Back in the day when you had the records of the times, you could just you play the record backwards and when you listen to music backwards, the speech patterns of vocals sound strange, and sometimes it sounds, like words are being spoken and hidden when you play it backwards. Sir, Judas priest defence against this accusation, which won the day in court, actually was that if they had done backward back

They would have done something like by seven more albums, which I think is a fairly authority compel later, but also pretty accurate. So we know that we know that this continues. The vast majority of people who self identify as theistic Satanist and you can find these organizations were these individuals Leon lie. They come from comparatively recent organizations in his hurry up. What we mean by this is their relatively new ideologies or didn't know denominations and of course, you will find a wealth of people, insisting that their from what is sort of the Golden Goose of question, a multigenerational theistic seat, Moorish being community

similar to the way that the family in true detective right earlier is why satanic, but definitely a neo, pagan, very messed up, evil thing and what found out from our video that you know the thing that at least the creator of that series talked about. There was that one case where there actually was a group of Satan worshippers who at least they believed they worship Satan right, and that is a pretty disturbing store. I thought you did. Job editing that I know that's one of those. Sometimes you guys when matinee go into something pretty deepen dark. We feel, like you, just can't wash it up yeah yeah. I go into a whole, just shiver alone in the dark, but we do know that if there are,

real multigenerational lines of theistic Satan worshippers than there are some problems will verify their existence. How do we or do we say it right? We will surely this sort of worship was. I mean you could get yourself killed executed by the state or the church for a long time there I mean it would be very difficult. the openly worship, the devil or Satan, pretty much at any time, even right now it would be difficult, I think, with as progressive as we We now have. You are super open about it. I think your life is not going to be easy at least will, especially if you're. If your person who is worshipping the idea of Satan, is presented in the Bible in river and biblical cannon, because then you would be actively

doing things that are against the law, you're alignment would be, I believe, chaotic evil done. If we're doing Kramer roleplaying Georgia. Will this thing here to my numerous organisations purporting to have some sort of ancient lineage have been proven to be hoaxes, or at least of regaining Emma Bennett no doubt they have been lying, at least in part, about their origin. I wonder say something else you earlier I said, NEO Pagan. I dont believe that, there's any thing wrong or inherently evil about NEO paganism. Oh sure I mean it's one of those you I haven't seen in recent memory, a group of neo pagans band together and kill everyone is not NEO pagan. Yes, I'm never heard of neo pagans.

doing anything wrong actually that I can recall well, history is long and there's lots of stuff for us, the dig through I'm sure we can find the lasting one John here are Freemasons. Now you you'll go online and you ll see all kinds of videos and websites about how Freemasons worship Lucifer. I got a book for miss couple years ago, called Freemasons wanna one. Now I'm not saying it's. The Bible Freemasons or you know it's not the go to book. You can't go there, find all the answers, but it talked a lot about how there is some confusion about worshipping the devil with Freemasons

I don't have all the information, but I would highly recommend you going out there and doing some research if you hear about this kind of thing, because a lot of it, at least for my experience, is rumour and probably not true, but I don't know for sure I seriously in that sphere. We know that frumious lodges have acquired at times a genie, reputation but lot of that would be judging off of one bad apple. In many ways it is also just secrecy in itself sure and there's there's a great deal of. There is a great deal of inherent secrecy somethin like that. How in the age of the internet is super super easy to find that information now. Is it disrespectful to people who wish that kind of privacy?

Yet you a lot of ways. It is it's certainly, for instance, it would be disrespectful to

and holidays right, where a lot of the documents that are supposed to be restricted, if your scientologist right, they are available free, online and you'll. Get goes back to your idea. Is this ethical sure, but yet with Freemasons, while lot of the fasting stories that you can read here nowadays, you're gonna tend to be more factual than the rumours that would spread YO when people didn't have the ability to do go on the internet does tend to shed light on things too many things sometimes and all kinds of noise is well right. Oh yeah, that's very interesting point on which we have talked about this is so tangential, but there's this there's this great idea that secrecy used to be based on

strict information right before the digital age, and now it's based on an engaging you out information, and I always wonder we were really cook him- a gas met. I wonder if we're going to find one of those needles in a haystack. You know when the diamonds in the rough and have somebody show up at her talkers she's working of you one little needle in a haystack what's at the transpacific partnership fields, just me ass, completely in my opinion, but it seems like there a lot of things happening in he's right now that night beat off the obvious gate, the idea of the transpacific open, I dont let slip into it. Let's find out and listeners those of you who per day when you hurt us mention this right to us and let us know if you want us to cover this in more depth things and mean ask a simple question:

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We noticed or Youtube comments is that quite a few people said why didn't you cover these various groups that are clearly sadness and we have covered these folks. So if we say on these Sure interest check out our video search you to dot com for its lash conspiracy, stop or check on our website stuff there once you know dot com and you will probably find, one two or even three part series on these on these guys with a Evelyn Drum Roll, please perfect! Let's start naming groups accused Satanism, I was unexpected, was really good, so the first one is the Illuminati Speed me to it, and the bohemian groove been ah yes, possibly separate entity but who knows man whom I was what about the royal family? Yes, which one

all of them all of them. What about the builder birds? That's a great one Trilateral Commission, the Business Council oh yeah, and what about the Rothschilds? Oh that's one of those families about any of those families. The war were right. fellers, any name. They you think is associated with having a certain amount of money. I'm surprised really the bill Gates and Warren Buffett haven't been accused of Satanism. Yet, We just I've found the accusation somewhere small geocities, page right, yeah, ouch Geocities it's not online anymore. Is you have to use the Wayback machine true, but if there would see suited the Freemasons the most crucial since the council for Foreign affairs, brave man. let's see what else the Jesuits of all people

times have been accused of worshipping Satan is very strange to me, have even seen the catholic Church itself with them in London: there because of some of the symbols that they use, like that the acorn and was everything owed the Arbalist NEA. Yet the obvious stir a huge thing to anything. I don't blame people, because if you just look at a novelist, it's really weird. Why have all things? Did you build that? Strangely phallic monument? That's my ok! I guess I just think you re just you just hit me. It really does go back to the male phallic imagery. would never be with him, but the I would see some other groups that have been accused of this. It's sad and its heartbreaking but we'd be removed. if we didn't pointed out over the course of history. The three Aber make religions, especially

Denominations were facets, schools of thought in those three religions have accused each other More or less continually across history of awe not only being. its lead in their choice of belief system, but actively worshipping the devil. So they said this about Christians, who said this vile Judaism to Christians have said this Islam right and is people who follow Islam. I said this about other religions: it's a mess. I think it's interesting goes back to the idea that Satan is this great trickster and wool. Make you believe that Something is true. That is not something is not true. That is so. You basically get mixed around and you think that what's up is down and die up, and then you end up worshipping Satan

yeah, you thought you were a ring God. I think that's an interesting idea. Why can the sheets the views of the other religions at times in history right yeah? You you'll see this in its I'm. So glad you mention that, because you see that idea playing out in purported explanations of a Freemason power structure to that there is only an inner circle. Who knows what else what's going on in the outer circle, is the just there for Euro Social cachet. Rare your worshipping, the great architect did know the great architect is fate was killed. Me mother only happened. It's like it, start even coming from you, I'm hearing it indifferent corners of the room, and that's where you know grand a little bit of blood and strange well it soldier on, but her humble gotta get outta here

but now finally, are million million dollar question ok or their aside from these allegations, which have not been proven or their genuine cases of people purposely conducting equal rights to venerate or communicate with? and other worldly supernatural unholy monster, be on the stars, you know what I mean like is: is it real balance? Poetic pent up thanks man? Yes, There are the cases we mentioned on the show with the one that is likely an inspiration for true detected. Then that is definitely something that would cost. new about? If you are easily offended or bother there, there's and very disturbing details: it's ok, so we know those cases mentioned on the show, there's an alleged devil

worship ringing, ITALY, known as the beast of Satan. I found a biased source Christian World NEWS estimates. There are eight hundred satanic Colson ITALY alone air we had to know those have not been proven. There have been numerous serial killers. They claim to be involved with some kind of dollar dark, satanic arts, some kind of right some rituals yeah. This includes killers, like the Son of SAM, Richard Ramirez, honest tool and much more and you can look into these four pie: movement, the hand of death, sue very interesting we didn't have said on that and it still to this day, one of the most they sit down, watch them even though I know that's what's gonna happen here. It's just weird. I'm surprised that there has not been an in depth feature film on that, because such a strange and fascinating

story, but then there are other people. Perhaps you listeners, you say if you think about it, is not surprising at all there's another that we found in the name of Satan in this book concerns an incident where these teenagers Royce Casey Jacob, the lash meant and Joe Fiorella we're in advance. Called hatred, Nay believed that they have found a way to make the ultimate offering to the prince of darkness. They sacrificed and think girl and dragged her to an area they believed would serve as devils alter the drugs or the attacker. They stabbed her she's and will find that a lot of cases of people who are saying that they are a theistic satanist, their real

throwing this idea honest window dressing to their crimes near you know, and so it's more, I think the case cases of disturbed individuals yo it to me. It's almost any, not an excuse to go through with some of those dark thoughts, but it sir, maybe for the person it's a nice. way to try and justify it. Yeah yeah, I know not nice at all. It's not nice at all issues they way for them to just wait. I imagine that's correct, which makes it even more disturbing and here's another example, and for type my rationalization into Thou to a young Mary. British couple admitted to a ritual, satanic killing and they were told they get, spend the rest of their lives and secure psychiatric unit. There's this belief, then, that there was

Tsar Underground Occult Group in Britain Ali New Manual, a router she's. Twenty three at the time told a german court. She become a vampire in London and her husband, Daniel rude eyes, whom twenty six was given a prison sentence that thirteen years for her fifteen years for him they had hat one of their friends to death in the flat in Germany. And if you read the detail, the story. One of the reasons they picked them is cause yet through a milder demeanor and like the Beatles real yeah which doesn't sound. It sounds to me more like a rationalization for wanting to kill someone. Then it does you feel, compelled by dark forces to do so, Gideon Eighty feeling among the stuff- that's the last example in two thousand eight again seen worse first murdered for teenagers bite stabbing each of them six hundred and sixty six times

yeah. The number of the wounds is the same as that revered by followers of the devil which not to be pedantic. No is not actually six. Six six sets a mistranslation right. Yes, then, it's possible that that number is actually six one. Six, so they're not doing their research, but these these people, this gang, would kidney any kidnapped kid. Seward sixteen seventeen, which I still think qualifies as a kid, and an attack them, and this was in Russia about three miles northeast of Moscow. They also eight parts of their victims is which brings us to one other. ass an eight year were Harry home, but we're barely scratching the surface of murders that are alleged to be part of satanic rights this past month. That

for anyone listening spike ass when it comes out October, twenty fourteen, just as people were preparing for Halloween three people were arrested for killing and cannibalize in at least two men in Clemens North Carolina E mail, who is the answer of the ringleader, is named, pursue Ella I'll God, thirty five years old and his complexes list is Amber Nicole birch. Twenty four crystal Nicole Matlock, twenty eight so and those are just the people arrested so far. Yeah. I think the those will be the main three, this procedure, guy a real character for everybody, wondering hey. Does that name sound familiar yeah? It's the demon from the exorcist turns up, users, mothers, Satanist,

named her son that o thou just gonna, throw out great, wasn't it yeah and there I don't Oh the entirety of the story. I know that there are still looking for more bodies. They found the men buried in the back. Yard and they found animals as well as so. These issues we not Levey type Satanist order, atheistic Satanist so that get asked my favorite part of show. What's a verdict, the verdict is: don't name your children. Names of demons

on popular films. You just setting yourself up for failure or maybe win depending on what you believe, but I would say don't do that. I think, then, that this is a real thing. People in my experience, can make themselves believe a lot of things and I'd. I personally don't think that a Satan, a re seeing that can be worshipped exist my personal opinion. However, I definitely think that some people could convince themselves that its true and do things like reason for too I don't know to strengthen those beliefs, as you say, yeah I. This is so interesting me because it's one of the longest running most pervasive conspiracy theories in the in the world of this sort of thought

and that's the idea that the earth is run earlier. Part of the earth is run by a faction. People have a secret religion. Here's the thing as crazy as it might sound. It is possible to have a secret religion. Really when we see most of that, it's just its religion where outsiders are not allowed to see certain stuff but Del view we all know that there is a religion that you're not part of for something to be so secret that people don't even know about it, that's kind of tough and

for a long long long time, as very, very sceptical about this by recent events in the United Kingdom have convinced me that it is possible for people at the top of a social hierarchy, to keep secrets that otherwise should never been captain. I am talking specifically about The child abuse allegations largely seeming factual regarding Real Smith, what's his name, Jimmy Civilian and these guys kept secret for Decades-

and they had assistance from the government and if we just took out child abuse and put in Satanism, then the mechanism of keeping something I got secret still holds, which is terrify only the same right. So just just seven an anecdote here. I used to work at a country club prominent country club in Atlanta, and I knew a lot of the members names because I worked there and one of the things was you had to address people by their names when they shot one of the. Only things will find if you go on line and search for this group or the members of this club. Is

all web page that you have to have a member I d to login and search it at all, and I was trying to find like look up. Some of these old members has actually somewhat became friends with some of them and you can't find their names anywhere. Some of these really prominent people. It just makes me think I don't know man if it's that easy to hide yourself on the internet, ah yeah. Just for that simple thing, like your information about being a member of a country club privacy, is one of the new elite privileges. In order I mean it's, it's I increasingly difficult for people to attain online privacy. Science yards deftly at a premium

and I guess what you and I are both seen, then, is that through different means, we have found that it is possible for someone to keep a secret, whether that secret be a crime or whether that secret be some sort of belief system and that's to me that strange, especially because you met you and I work ardently to make sure that we respect other people's belief systems right, even in some cases, belief systems. That specifically say people like you and I are very, very bad but enough about us, we hope that you enjoy this podcast. We would like to hear what you think: or their real devil? Worshippers? Are they multigenerational spanning the glue working in secret debris? down humanity or a charade.

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