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intelligence agencies run calls man we
We learned so much in the years following this classic episode that like if we went there,
in time and talk to each other. Now about this in the future.
versions of
that Norway and talk to the past versions of known
and then
you sound like crazy people. Tat is true
already do a little bit sometimes, but this would just exacerbate that experience.
Sure- and in this case we are discussing whether or not there is any kind of strategy
who having control of a court,
is there a reason that
intelligence agency could make use of a group of like minded people that follow a single leader, or maybe a group of people. Why would you want that and has it happened?
we'll stick around. He might just find out from you
two ghosts and government cover ups histories riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now learned stuff. They don't want you to know. I welcome back to the show every one. This is
Nothing. I want you to know. I met, and I bet welcome bad guys today. It's gettin exciting, but you know,
listeners, can't see this right now met, but you have
you have a weird written on an air of mischief about, and perhaps it's just the most wonderful time of the year,
just what you wanna call Halloween on this show, or maybe get somethin appear sleeves there. Maybe every time someone comes around, I feel a little bit that way. I asked
Craig Pronunciation, which we learned the hard or eighty earth listeners out there, who also one
Her videos, you know the bandit- I've tried her hand it starting one of those. Where are you can't colts who it was pretty? Well it did. You can actually see some of
it, results in a video series that we did one episode in particular where
Matt you, as the current leader of sent me out to proselytize our coworkers. Well, I will
will say that I was not self appointed. Ah well, you know. Sometimes the God had just find you write for hate us so
we do have a video where we take a satirical look at some of the, so the operations that call to use some of the techniques would be a better way were right. Power could be
and right and how a cold grows and how it maintains loyalty, ideology and pushes people into increasingly.
Our usual decisions right sure, and yet we have, if you work in
the law or, if you work with logistics than you, are well aware of decision trees and how, with a little bit aforethought and listen, careful puppet stringing, you can place people. I've very easily
into a situation that they would have never
for in a million years, thought they would do and which brings us to our next side of the story here. What's that meant well,
asking in interesting question here today: do intelligence agencies run cold,
What an interesting question yet fascinating! Even now, in United
it's what we say. Intelligence agencies we're talking specifically in this sense about things like the
the eye and the CIA, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, central intelligence agency,
and we know that these alphabet agencies, specifically those two and also the USA and several other of them sure they
we are actively monitoring groups of all kinds,
individuals that they consider to be, let's say possible, threat
to the national security can guys here the finger quotations we just put around that the air quotes. That's because national security is often vaguely defined and increasingly so suit, just four examples. What what something that
These agencies would monitor one that you are probably aware of news. The Occupy movement that happened several,
years ago and is still ongoing today, you can look, there's a guardian article that we looked at
how the F b I coordinated. The entire crackdown will not the entire but a large portion of the crackdown on the occupied movement, and that's why
Naomi Wolf. You can check that out. I yet we got a quotation here. Part of this that we pulled from this article. Forty guys to here is
this article in the guardian, Naomi Wolf talks about the documents emerge showing how closely the alphabet, agencies and private sector entities cooperated.
sometimes merging into a single entity known as the domestic Security Alliance Council. Here's a quote and reveals this merge entity to have one centrally planned locally executed mission. The documents, in short, show the cops and Department of Homeland Security working for and with banks to target arrest and politically this able peaceful american citizens. That really happened. Yeah
yeah the up, and we know that. That's not the first time it happened. We know that throughout. U S history. Other groups have been civilian groups, mind you had been monitored by the FBI
particular, but also other government agencies. In the F b, I in particular because its within the United States that why there the agency looking at it- and we ve looked at this before with common.
Hell Pro. Yet when you look at the the way that they handle the affair
I handled M o K, Mart
the King Jr and how it how they monitored his phone calls. They watched all of it like all kinds of just
spying on this guy went through his mail yeah manipulate sending him threats very interesting and scary. Then you ve also got this southern christian leadership conference right. Yeah there s, yell sea, as well as multi and other members. Silly aided both individuals and groups of fully with the civil rights move
were aggressively, monitored and targeted, but they were the only ones. There was also be called the new left or people pushing for irish independence in exile group called cuban power and people fighting for Porter Wreak independence and so on,
even gets a little bit crazier than that more time on monetary right, yeah groups that you would not think would be monitored and try me really: ok, vegetarians, o the
Jesus of restaurants. Are there the danger of a man more dangerous than you could ever know? Also environmentalists and I
see the angle of environmentalists, because there is the item. I forget. The term for
terror, eco, terrorism, yeah I mean that does exist. That is a real thing, but vegetarian
I'm trying to think of maybe there's an angle for Monsanto to get involved. I wonder that's none of that question. We have a. We have an interesting story to pointing toward check out the story of an informant named Anna and Anna was asked to infiltrate things like vague in pot lux looking for eco terrorist people, who would be a threat to us
Unquote national security right. I watched recently a movie on each view. I believe it was called the east thing, that's what it's called about: eco terrorists and this other independent.
Can see that since people to infiltrate them- and I wonder where some are- maybe this story of Anna comes in
yeah. Now from what we understand, the informer Anna is came for, because this person may or may not be female, but clearly I think it's female. This person is disillusioned with the strategy's used by domestic intelligence agencies. Have gotten checked it out yet check our video ah about whether the
What whether these guys are on the up and up and obeying the law when they do the monitoring they certainly were not doing it during Co Intel Pro absolutely, which is why Congress
in some of the laws, but how many of those laws get changed back or two bit here in two thousand and two under the Bush administration. Some of those laws were rescinded in the end,
stuff wait for national security. We better not make them
the drinking gave out behind her somebody's gonna, get out all poisoning and erode this week
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answer this question. In the previous part of bike ass. We talked about monitoring groups illegally, but now assigned talk about something else, right infiltration. Now, that's another thing
you talked about several times higher video, but for this we're talking about civilian groups and religious groups in how the FBI has infiltrated them before right. Yes, infiltrated then, but not just to infiltrate ends.
her veil, not just ample tree as an informant there's, a line that they crossed so of our question is: do intelligence agencies run colts? We know that they have certainly influence.
Religions and you- and I know of course, and listeners. You know if you wash your video on calls that the division
between religion and occult is a little bit gray. Just is one per
since terrorist is another person's freedom fighter. One person's religion is another person's cult, so we know
the FBI Cia. Have I used informants to enter into whether underground, which was a group active few decades before our time
was there. Some of you may remember the days of whether underground are we
more recently, controversially, the FBI has placed informants in mosques in the United States. We covered this. In our view,
Who is the FBI manufacturing terrorist? Why do we use that title meant? Well, it's
because it do the entrapment in one way and then also sending informant
in to try and real up a group
so in disguise case Craig Montego, he went into a mosque.
And while he was doing surveillance on most of them
bull in one of these mass shares also owns. He was also talking to them about jihad. Men
trying to real everybody up and
What they did is bacon
acted will first of all, they put a restraining order. Only I said, don't come back here any more with this is not what is law is about you have we are
the people you're looking for, and they also called the FBI yeah and they said, look there's this crazy guy. Who is
Trying to bomb place
is and dry and get members of our moss, canaries harassing people and the,
FBI, Euro. I care a phone call happened,
between their? When someone said someone said: yeah, there's this guy
Who is we had a report that there may be?
terrorist activity at this Moscow and who reported the mosque and then go okay. Well, thank you for the call they put the phone down heavy sigh.
I did pick it up in the ring and they go Craig Jig is up.
Get out, I mean, but that that has to be that there is such an important question: no nine
so the question in infiltration, verses, Ronnie,
influencing occult? Because the the idea here that critics of this would would say is just, as you said, Matt entrapment. You know exactly, and so let's look at another point,
ok infiltrated. Another topic that we ve covered heavily on video recently. Are Ngos, non government organizations and
see? I e we mention that they send assets in to look at groups such as I don't know peace corps. U S, aid right, yeah, there a lot of them and it is
sometimes with the organizations, understanding that they'll be sending in an informant or ass an asset, and sometimes it's without that understanding, anxious
Who knew the John DOE wasn't really from every town, Kansas, so, weird to me it happens. It happens and its also
part of the reason why we hear such a stink when people who are working for
eastern NGO are detained in
non western country, often there's this implication,
whether true or not- and I think you have to go case by case basis, whether true or not, there's this implication from the capturing country that these people were not. You know, kids were college. Kids working for peace
for they were plants from the CIA or some other intelligence agency market imaginary in opposition. Fine.
seeing someone from an NGO is doing something extremely system.
This guy old man. Ok, this could be a CIA agent Kensington
This carefully, yeah man, I sit yeah, that's really weird phone call, they get to hate and then they
the they call the CIA to gag us. Oh, what really any hangs? Thank you hang up the phone. He lets out alive
sigh makes it up. Dials incumbrances,
Craig available call back
As far as we know, ladies and gentlemen, that did not actually happen, but what does happen
regular basis is that our foreign intelligence assets are also put in State department embassies right, and we also know that there is very
compelling evidence,
CIA, an FBI, front companies and were dummy organizations which you and I covered in summer, Gary Web Sufferin. So these we airline
companies with names that are just so vague and boring, like premier executive transportation services, I fell asleep just reading that out loud.
Intermittent aviation. We also know that financial organizations also operate in foreign countries. You know I shall company
for the purpose of finally money. So what is this all tell us? Well to me it seems
Is that our initial question at the top, perhaps, is an all that crazy
maybe a government agency or a project really could involve some kind of front colt or a dummy com.
Ok, so then, let's go over some of the illegal things straight up, illegal,
the CIA and FBI and were every I have learnt proven
Ok, I let's see where to start is a good one, but I can think of ok hit me with your best shot
M K, Ultra, that's nothing to sing about in K Ultra. We also dunce videos on that in K. Alta, as you know, is a blanket term for a series of related experiments which involved everything from trying to could create a real life manchurian candidate. That would be brainwashed. Assassin I command to seeing if LSD was a truth serum. Yet in just looking at how humans interact when thereon
some regions. That way, I still think that one guy was assassinated. I don't think you fell out of the window yeah. I don't think he just did acid and jumped out of the window.
yeah again, that's my personal opinion, folks. That is not what is not
the way proven the official stories that he committed suicide near anyone. You wouldn't be the first or last person to jump from a high building on some kind of you, no drug sure. However,
a lot of forced to propel yourself through glass. You that's right are well ok what what about the Tuskegee experiment right where a group of people I forget, what's
It was in, but they were not given. There were ok, they were, they had syphilis
but they were not treated to cure the syphilis. They were just studied. Writing
placebo medications? These were african
american men in a tremendously racist time in the? U S past, I know a few of our listeners will say was tremendously racist today, but that was
very very openly institutionalized racism to the point where it made it: ok from a governmental standpoint to experiment on these black men and while the? U S is official position is that the EU s amidst this incident occurred over a very long period of time, but they say that these guys started out with syphilis and simply were not treated. However, other people anecdotal reports of people who are involved
the time say that they were given syphilis zeal makes it so much worse. If that's true right, but we did, we did a correction. Lonely first did that episode and we came back and we said that, according to the official government standpoint, which I think is how we phrased at odd these people
not given syphilis. They had it already and they were not treated, which is just
this insidious and unethical. In my opinion,
Oh yeah and in their domestic chemical exposures, speaking of that, prove inch as well so government
currencies we just go to the rooftops of support neighbourhoods and they did this more than once- and I admit chemic
What year did you happen to stimulate a widespread chemical exposure? Yeah and just
go to the local hospital in fine now well, who came in with white? How many? How did it manifest man, oh yeah, sees me listeners, I meant to say, stimulate, not stimulate. I believe I miss her there
and of course, we know that worthless, snooping and or surveillance is, I would say, de facto illegal by other people say it.
fact illegal being that some of the interpretations of law remain secret.
Yeah cause of
national security.
Oh man, please don't be drunk.
oh yeah, of course,
How can we go without mentioning sigh of such as impersonating someone's identity, anonymous harassment, smear campaign
we know that other stuff? This will be suffering
you mentioned earlier matt- will what would they do with Martin Luther King male? Oh all kinds of one things with his mail become. They would intercept the mail and check it out. She was
their. If there's anything juicy make copies of things, then put it back in the mail, they would send him through
sin things like that in the mail they'd impersonate people, that's what it is they they would impersonate like. Let's say a letter from one of his close contacts, there was just seething and mad at him, or I think there is one instance where they tried to.
Initiate some kind of a fair, oh yeah. I heard I have heard that story, but I haven't looked it up myself
I don't mean to give out false information. I hope not, but it's in my in the back my head somewhere.
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we're back so so far for a quick recap, we have looked at riveted illegal things. The government agencies have done in the past. We have looked at
things if their monitoring activities, we have listed infiltration activities and now it's time to get to the real here's where it gets crazy part. Did a government agency ever run a cult. So here are some of the alleged example spin, the first
these Jonestown. Ah now some people believe that Jim Jones
We know that Jim Jones was,
in a cold, the people's Temple, the people's Temple that mood for from several places
I can remember the initial starting place where no moved California, Venza Guiana and the
Theory is that he was running a psychological experiment of mine control on these people on behalf
of the CIA, or at least possibly relate
somehow to the sea, I see and that this is an interesting idea which we do explore. The video you mentioned earlier, because the people's temple at the time was bit unusual in that it actively encouraged, accept
thence of all creeds and it was a little bit left, leaning, which would be otherwise the kind of thing that the? U S, government would have closely monitored at that time for possible dissent or
threat to national security or strange
to me that that it would still be
I guess the reason why I was under CIA rights thought to be undersea eyes because they moved outside of the country
You gotta, which was a country in the? U S, sphere of influence. Sure of- but I guess not officially inside the. U S, I wouldn't be FBI reply,
but also what you know in the evolution of a cold. They may have just move to more isolated placed a further cement, the leaders grip on people. They had guards like art.
guard increasingly militarized. There were people who wanted to escape. There are some huge unanswered questions to you,
Day, which are you an ideal within the videos about how so
without how the congressmen was killed, how the people were killed, who committed suicide reports of additional of people or assets even working,
you sanitize the operation and then later painting it as a suicide when it may have been instead, as as the theorists would advance a massacre of a psycho gone wrong side up. Rather, I think I think that's fastening at
point, the evidence that you and I could find in their while tantalizing was far from certain sure am, but there wasn't a CIA agents who was working
with LEO or was it is his name LEO Ryan, the congressmen conjointly around and then there's Dwyer a liar, and you can hear on the recording right that Jim gave a liar out of here get wire out a here. Yet that is true, but at this point that, while that is one of the most popular theories for an intelligent, sagey running a called, it is ultimately at this point. It doesn't have solid proof yet sure
has troubling unanswered questions cattle. You bought one of my favorites. Oh, I love this one. I this is the idea that Scientology and we are not calling Scientology Occult so lawyers- please
don't get mad. This is a theory that that I did not make up that the church of sight.
Apology is somehow right.
by an intelligence agency- and this is this is actually a,
Theory that is kind of
more well known in the axe. I intelligence community than it is in the main stream, never been scientologists part of the world and the the idea here is that the current head of Scientology David misgivings is working for the FBI or the CIA that he is an asset and jewels
Ex scientologist who say that they left the organization the cause misgivings somehow
I changed it and you- and I
of course, are not scientologist. Nor have we ever been. We have read about Scientology, but we also always read about it from the outside. It sure we'll background you hooked up with an excellent book that you lent me earlier right.
SK going clear? I end. I already forgot the author, but it's fantastic. It looks at it from an investigative reporter mangle when all these ever nails and the
The author allowed Scientology to go in and make footnotes and comment on the entire book right. Yet the book itself is on the up and up it's a great piece of journalism. It does not address
This theory, it's more about the evolution of society, but it does show
The change of the church and Scientology when David Miscarriage shook over
yeah just makes no claims about this being
Nothing other than a change and leadership right. So it's it's a popular theory,
in a small segment of the global population, but it's it's a fascinating.
On, especially when we consider that the churches,
technology in the United States government had historically adversarial relationships. Yes, again, detailed in my book quite beautifully
you can also check out our video operation. Snow white we ve got got one other, of course forget to save this guy
good old Charley Manson, yet maybe nothing good
Somebody is certainly old
The idea is that Manson was groom by aspects. Are assets of the CIA to perform mind, control experiments in the field? Yes, that would be a good place to do them and, of course,
boy at this boy, apparently not- and I believe that it is easier
scientists are evil. German yeah, I didn't want to do you, seven thirty one action
do those that would probably there would probably get a sense of hot water, but we'll see what will see what comes out of it.
cartoonish, Indiana Jones, German. Accents, though the idea here, though, is fast name, because this
one of those strings that when you pull it on
apples more and more and more stuff. So
We know that Charles Manson had some encounters.
With Dianetics now, which was a precursor to Scientology during summer. Time
prison andriessen his time in their hippy counterculture when he also encounter a group called. Was it it's? A is a four pie for pie is the
edged. Ah, yes, pie, not p to that
The aim is ok, yes, yes, that's one that David Berkowitz talked about the Son of SAM Killer awe and then got his throat cut in prison every time you speak again right and there's there's some. I you know
I hate to say it. I hate to say it, but there is some really compelling evidence that the Son of SAM did not act alone that that detective, you never gave up. I think he's right, yeah Anna, this, this art
here this goes into the idea that there was. We first found out about it with some salmon trawls Manson, but it ultimately expands into this idea that there is some sort of serial killer cult or some sort of
tacit agreement to turn a blind eye to certain unethical experiments or criminal homicidal behaviour. Now, of course, in most cases, logically, it doesn't make sense to think that so many people could keep that kind of sea.
You know what I mean gear that serve. That's a big one, yes in exotic movies, ordinary claim yeah but fascinating right. But then is this conspiracy theory
Is it conspiracy fact? Ah, yes, ok, we'll here's the thing! It's unlikely that an intelligent scruples.
we were talking about again in the United States. We manufacture an entire called yeah. I am
trying to come up with an idea of why you would manufacture an entire call right to what end. Would you do this and am honestly not sure unless you know
unless you wanted a whole colony of manchurian candidates, the wish keepin tiny darkened rooms, but no
which I could understand, but it would be so much easier to influence and infiltrated call that would be you. I mean right, it's it's a lot more plausible that that would happen because you again, if we take these standpoint of one of these
the group CIA Fbi infiltrating them and keeping tabs on them. That makes perfect sense to me.
Trolling, one ah
rising up the ranks and uncontrolled one. That is interesting as the aim.
that you and I would take her not that we have considered tat. No,
We hope that you guys have enjoyed this episode and we hope
We have provided a fascinating thing, stood to get you going in different directions.
Wanna hear back from you when you come out of the rabbit whole, especially man. I'd like to hear about
This sort of idea in other cultures in countries like we know that choice
has an adversarial relationship with the following long call, which improbably mispronouncing. We know that the church and state in many cases often clash and in some cases they start to become so
Greenpeace. We also know that some
was I religious groups have been involved. A heavily in government like P, to which we earlier I mentioned at the wrong spot, but Peter in ITALY deserves a mention. Riah propaganda do and which would be a free, Mason Associated Group Associated Lodge.
that has a lot of things, had a lot of fingers in a lot of our italian pies. I guess there.
You know they had an undue influence. Eddie, I'm saying I get you may do so
what do you think? Is there any one of these topics that you ve watched or videos? Maybe you want,
to go deeper and any of this do you have any opinions about you know whether or not you think a court is being infiltrated then perhaps is now run by
icy cold hands of the sea, I heard nice imaging
trying to go more Halloween here, I'm not sure of its being effective or not, but with no right to US guy
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