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see eyes. A representative is described as such: yes, bye, bye, after vagrant himself, not my cat, the character portrayed by Bill Murray and yet the EPA The environmental protection Agency is a story institution nowadays but also is sometimes a lightning rod for controversy. It's a great idea concept: mental organization that protects theoretically humans from what's a company doing harm to the environment and therefore to us and other animals, and you know creatures and plants. Everything that living in an environment, because we live in one the environment and in the world is in execution and corruption as well Fine, on this episode, Banditti

member. When we show the video with you standing in front of the EPA building in DC. I do I do and I miss those days which which may return soon, but that that was and the ones where we kind of cooked up later real half assed cover story for, if when asked what we were doing right. Oh man and a deputy holds up. I think, oh sure, yeah sure on Youtube. Right now, listening. If you want, you can just pause or watch tv. YO silently. While you listen to the episode, it's pretty cool

supposed to go, stand government cover ups. History is riddled with unexplained event. You can turn back now for learn stuff. They don't want you to send them with a circumference of twenty four thousand nine hundred MI animals and, of course, human beings, almost seven point- four billion of them as we record is podcast, but the projected ten billion people on the planet. Twenty, fifty six, but wait. There's more. The earth faces peril. Just this path,

year, four million five hundred and sixty six thousand seven hundred and twenty six hectares of forest were lost to put that into perspective, since nineteen nineteen over one hundred and twenty nine million hectares of forest, the equivalent area of South Africa have been lost. Also, desertification, soil is being destroyed at an alarming rate over ten and a half million hectares this year, and that's not all the air is being polluted. Thirty, two bit sixty seven million tonnes and counting Co2 emissions are released each year even to mention the methane and other gases, but all is not lost in this epoch battle of destruction and creation in the darkness.

has emerged, a shining white light of hope. That is the EPA The environmental protection agency is here. Yes, welcome to the show, ladies and gentlemen, we did it a little bit differently today, but we hope you enjoyed it. I'm Ben, I meant I'm no, and hopefully you are you and in the right place which makes this stuff. They don't want you to know this week we did a video on the EPA. Yes, it's it's one that we shot while we were in Washington, D C this year and the EPA. is environmental protection agency kind of, like a lot of other countries, have its also

I don't know what's just say, but it's supposed to do. Oh sure, sleepy, was actually established on December second of nineteen, seventy to consolidate into a single agency, a variety of federal research, monitoring, standard setting and enforcement activities to ensure the protection of our environment now the mission of the EPA. There are many of them they are wide ranging. Then it goes from. Everything to To ensure that Americans are protected from threats to health right and that's all they work where they live and where they learn what else we also to hold companies or even other governmental bodies responsible for pollution contained. nation keeping people up to the standards that are issued in their policies right exactly another. Withholding corporations accountable for their posts,

they re perfect. Please stop putting all of this, Sir Launcelot. What's all this are all these benzene derivatives into the river strike a mark or lead, but they lead from old, gold? Mine, perhaps sure? Yes, IRAN's the game for sure, and so these efforts, these national efforts to reduce environmental risk? Let's call it are new, ultimately, based on the best scientific data. That's available and federal laws that protect human health and the environment are enforced. Hopefully fairly and effectively in theory in theory. Indeed, if you go to GDP aid, our Gov, you can find their entire mission statement all the things that they are supposed to do at least officially Norman I would just going over the mission statement and dates they develop. The EPA actually develops regulation Any forces them as well, so Phoenix

Congress goes and rights and environmental law, or, let's say maybe a lobby or a company rights rights alone, and Congress rewrites ensigns it maybe maybe that maybe they re read it previously write it. Be able then right the regulation to go along with Ever Congress says needs to happen. Oh and they will also set national standards and enforce those regulations that they put forth in theory. In theory, and something nor that I found out was that one of the big parts of the money they goes to the EPA

is actually spent on giving out grants here, it's nearly half of the EPA budget actually goes into grants. Tuesday, environment programmes, nonprofits educational station and the like, and these grants are intended to fund environmental studies and research, allows cross yes and to share these findings with private organisations, academic institutions, other agencies and other countries. So, as you heard, we ve been peppering this conversation, thus far with the bee caveats of, in theory, a perfect This is what supposed to happen so Ben Matt. How does the gay alternately stack up to their mission? We see this thing. That's in anyone is so polite. These say we ve been peppering with weeping peppering. The show it in theory has for the past couple points were made

I was just sitting back my arms cross, leaning an insane in theory cause it's true. The EPA he does not always reach the goals. It sets right. It's maybe you there's a fair amount of of defense. We could say about that. What's wrong is Robert Browning Man's reach must exceed his grasp else. What's a heaven for the very nice way to say it's very nice way to look at ambition, but the thing is that the EPA gets numerous criticism, not just from people who think it's too big government into regulatory, not just from people who that it's too too, in the hands or in the pockets rather of corporate Amerika, and even people who would say that the EPA is part of a lot of government agencies that do too much hand holding and prevent private industry.

He from creating the wealth that it should be right and add to that. Another group of critics people were formerly employed the EPA who have a lot of stuff to say about it. Just like Joseph Stiglitz, you know going. working at the World Bank to be one of its largest detract earlier, because when you're inside you know many of the beast, it's the most stinky inside right Yes, not a biologist, but I was what do you think I had always reminds me that seen in Britain he has to get inside the kangaroo monster things at a time. Yes, citizen Hollywood punch me for not knowing that by now really shouldn't punch me she's a punch, you wouldn't punch with her eyes of your ear for into Holly freely rhythm is Mr Glassy is inhabit, star wars of the sea and I do not say but yeah they were stuck about. Small circles

What if it's not a taunt on- and I just as just a word that I know it is ok- I we literally have this conversation before and I questioned what account on whether he said you know the one that smells worse in the end, other, doesn't answer nice as my friend reference year, that's where you're coming from with the belly of the beast, I D, the belly of the EPA beasts, really comes the light in some criticisms by guy named William Sand JOR for about twenty years. Sandra worked for the various third, he was thirty. So for decades who worked at the EPA and he not come out a happy camper. He says the entire place is corrupt here, any he wasn't just somebody who works in a small office as part of the easy EPA or a small lab lover. It about gta, he started as a consultant. Then he ended up as a branch chief in the hazard waste management division, so

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your favorite app store does go fairly far back. He I think he's been employed during three presidencies worked for three different White houses while he was working there he's got this really great, GOSH car long war. When you will love me just a, I think it is it really in the criticism that he's making an insider perspective, so I mean it's certainly to be taken relatively seriously. So this is from strong with the EPA by William Sandra, ninety. Ninety five. Ninety four, absolutely quote the stand where the EPA is the way that it is. You have to start at the top and since the EPA is part of the executive

That means the White House, the President, any President Republican or Democrat and his immediate staff have an agenda of about half a dozen issues, with which they are most concerned. These are usually national security, foreign affairs, the economy, the budget and maybe one or two others call them class aid priorities, all others housing, education, transportation, the environment- are classed be. The president expects performance in classic. He will accept. The military to to be able to deploy forces anywhere in the world when an emergency arises, and if it isn't your bank aids until it is if Congress doesnt support is budget you'll bring Budget director into his office in slams fist on the table, but can you picture the president, bringing in the Secretary of transportation to his office and yelling because of poor bus service and Sheboygan, are calling me a minute later the Environmental Protection Agency into the oval office to chew amount for pollution in the coil hugger River. I can't that is the difference. The president expects performance and class a in class, be he expects peace and quiet.

yeah. I really thought Anna carefully. Just I mean an under standing of, if you tear out different things that a White House has to deal with a president and all the people who work in the White House, the environment. While it is not currently up there. Doesn't it feel like a tunnel should be well. That's that's part of the year that birthing in that then we're gonna talk about spoiler alert, ladies and gentlemen, in an upcoming podcast next week on Congress, and it is going to be how individuals elected officials are or are not incentivize too, to take sir action. You know if your president, the thing is the president is such a I'll, bomb job to have, I know you only get to have one at a time here in the U S, and so psychologically, everybody wants to do something like that:

browser place has more than one. At a time when I mean you could be president of other things you can be present, have been ball and fan club and attacks tax attorney. You can be present in no Brown Enthusiast Association, we started those club on the same day crap I didn't get the memo sides pretty exclusive mailing list. I beg you but you're. The point is that no point is that if you are present for forty, yours or hack, let's say a you get a double whammy, then the a

the embitter truth about. It is a lot of meaningful change for a country at all anything that size is gonna, take more than four to eight years to reach fruition. I'm u occurred to me we're talking about. You know this class, a class be in order to make something that is considered class, be under our presidency in the nineties to move up the ladder. That's gonna take a long time things move slow. The system is designed for things to move slow and I would argue, in some cases for good reason should I. It takes a whole. The hut of support from both sides of the Isle, for something to become a class, a consideration that has been historically classmates consideration we're just now starting to see inklings of acceptance of things like climate change, you know actually making its way to the forefront of political as regards and, furthermore,

Sandro were also accuses. The EPA of something that that we heard a lot and, of course, for research, which is cronyism protected bureaucracy or the status quo, rather than protecting the mission, critical policies, rape, which would be the environment so lot of when they encounter the EPA were expecting something to be on their side, but they find that it can be adversary. Alan Stead or those are the reports. One thing that Sandra said that an American reinforced I'm in a pair phrase. He says. Regulatory agencies, by their very nature, can do little that doesn't a virtually effect business, especially big business, and that disturbs the president. So what he seemed like that class be priority all the sun have some classy problems. You know what I mean. Yes, she problems on a p b, our budget and its it's. Not it's not a good look. I guess we're being varying slang,

The EPA acquiring Sandra can't write regulations governing big industries like petroleum without the oil companies going to the White House about an energy crisis. This is this is again his. This is again his opinion, and what we found is that in the EPA there have been repeated cases. Of cronyism or people, people kind of playing along and jumping through the hoop so that they can later get a job in the private sector. Yes helping out industry while you're inside the EPA, so that eventually you're on the other side and helping other company. The interesting thing that senior rights here that I am going to read of it in full, about how the agency is dealt with by environmental groups as opposed to industrial groups or private organizations in bed What are you saying, I'm an

Basically, what I think is environmental groups will deal with the EPA as an organisation through courts as an institution. In fact, you know committees, courts and through the top EPA executive. So you through the main channels right right by what he saying is that industry does the same thing, but it also interacts with individual EPA employees at the lower levels. So they all come through in talk to an inspector, let's say, and it would in when it seems like. since you are saying, is that they almost groom these employees from an early stage of working at the EPA to eventually become one of theirs her. What's almost like, oh, I would think, from the perspective of like a ceo of a big corporation that you know, does dealings with EPA having high level board member. That was once in the ranks of the EPA. How would be pretty

couple weeks in dealing with the EPA right was sure it's a strategy move I mean that's so that all the time you see that with like us the radio folks ending up on the boards of big banks- and you know it's simply very a lot of potential for abuse there. It's a common practice if we could run through summer other criticisms of the Pierre just want a laundry list. These real, quick and also stand to much the most usual criticism. The EPA according to a lot of people, is a political one. Is that all these regulations key people from making money? So the deal would be like the latest co2 emissions regulations are costing coal mining right and eroding the margins or you'll. Also here when I do the car show on car stuff with Skype. Benjamin you'll also hear people I'm talking about the regular,

since in the way, the impact that the price performance of cars and another criticism again I'll. Keep this really fast aw night. You know what I was gonna say. We saw a great example of the last one with Volkswagen recently level, gonna talk about already, but just there where they were getting around epee standards and guidelines, yeah excellent example. Another critic, isn't that kind of is used to support the first one. Is this idea like what is the matter? You know what I mean: other developing nations like the bricks nations care as much you know, and then- and I think there is a valid, in their about pollution from developing countries, because a lot of the developed countries talking about police to the developing world are just sort of ignoring the fact that the end you'll revolution-

did on the that kind of that level of pollution and without their then there wouldn't be any the advances that have gotten. You passed polluting that my training humming, that's crazy. I mean it's. It's interesting idea to two to what is in her to explore a hypothetical world in which everybody was super concern about the environment from day. One in a would we be as far as a species- I don't know, what's a good question asked probably not another critic Isn T Pierre, is that it serves the political interest of from ever is in charge. Is let's remember and listeners outside the? U S, just to be clear: the EPA a employees are not elected. A lot of the power see makers in the. U S are not elected, they d get an interview and they get hired appointed as the Weiler report.

did he s answer there. Many that are under multiple president's, like met, was talking about, and I just want to run through whose criticisms, because it's something that people need to hear, I think oh yeah, won't I turn to you, don't hear about the EU, Pierre, very often in the news right there's something really really bad happens like a more. I don't know something that the EPA is being culpable for or if you hear, When talking about budget cuts, because organizations like the epa- they are He fodder a lot of times depending on the administration. That's coming into the White House right, because it's one of those things I guess again going back to what the guy said a class be issue into another weave. We ve painted some of those pictures right and I hope or doing, ok job you guys are there only talk about the criticisms that Norton

like this. Has we also point out that an organisation can't be this big without generating criticism, especially if it seems like it's costing people, money and There are people who say this, as does the short term loss for long term benefit, but will I ever see the long term benefit? You know, there's a psychological thing, a play there, but let's, let's go right into the crazy stuff. First,

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at the end, when he says it s Miss Schmidt. On your face, I feel like I pitched that I believe that what I did, I'm not a thousand percent. I want to say that was tossed out when I listen to the welcome to our show Pakistan, I hurt radio, app apple pie, gas or wherever you get your part gas. She where it gets crazy. Yes, surprise, there are a lot of conspiracy theories about the EPA and I'm just gonna go ahead and shrill said some of those at or that concern corruption are absolutely spot on the hard to disprove some of those it's hard to disprove. However, while also the easily prove themselves tat, I only need they. Also. There are some that we found that there were really interests. in that we went to explore what you guys today. Yes,

These have a foot in reality for me and then a foot in kind of the fanciful where it was it would require one of those big conspiracies. There are so many human beings they would have to be behind it and just seems a little out of the reach of reality for me, but the first one is that the EPA It is trying to enforce gun control by limiting removing lead from bullets. Yeah has ignored for Well, it was an idea. You saying that if everything that doing it is failing is really about bullets earlier? Well I mean maybe there's no lead in those bullets. I don't know. I haven't bought bullets ever and my life Kabila seemed still made of when they have to be right God obeyed the door with his story. Tell me: bear this out.

Tell me really they so they actually said these. They said that people thought they were going to say Ok, that is one of those one. Those reports that comes in that will mention something like the EPA is looking into effects of lead in the environment go and they want to see where some of the man made sources of lead. Where's it coming from Now we dont use led paints anymore there, a lot of places where we reduced our use of lead as a human. species, especially the United States, where the gleam yeah where's it coming from now. Well one of places, is ammunition ammunition. and get this ban fishing tackle the silent killer. I don't know, I guess it

prizes fish. He has also, what's what's the truth? No clue, can you hit us up with the truth bomb. Real quick are hitherto so, according to our sources, the centre for biological diversity and other environmental groups, while the petition asking the EPA to consider banning the use of lead and ammunition in fishing, tackle, arguing that these products are exposing wildlife and the people who consume said wildlife to harmful levels of this heavy metal, Buddy Pierre for its part, had no plans to actually implement this agenda quote easier, was not and is not considering taking action on whether the lead content in hunting ammunition poses an undue threat to wildlife, new, it's kind of interesting that that the proposition because ammunition in our hunting situation inherently poses a threat to wildlife. That's what it closely and I certainly hope So- fishing tackle

apparently aids in a bets fish like I love fishing I suck at it, but I love it, I love the idea that fishing tackle AIDS and Betsy harm of wildlife right. Yet so it's it's just to me it's strange, and I am glad that you point this out and all that there is a grain of truth to this, that I guess became alarmist it doesn't. It doesn't make sense to me just it doesn't make sent to ban that in that way, we'll get and if you can see, if you ve got a political agenda there, to make Someone make person be or group be look bad. You say I love, you This guy's trying to get the EPA to ban guns- an admonition will do this and you know

You can see. I will be used in a political matter, pretty pretty blatant yeah I get a gag toy, see there s a guess would make sense, but I would just like so where's where's the money or is there he'll about key in doing this, amounting to China that it had. It seems like if we're talking about conspiracies within govern organizations. Usually it's about someone make some money, though. What benefit is there for any pay official to get behind this? To outlaw led down my lad? Well, there be the I think, origin point. There is the idea that big brother willed when a thing to render? well I'm populous irrelevance or get take your guns away, an egg having that was the application for me as well. That isn't I just don't see it coming from this

I think there is a better way if, if there's, if the government really does want to get rid of all of the bullets, there is a better way to do. Then the epa- I don't know what that way is because I'm not trying to do that. I was trying to. I was sorry. I'm really think you a better way to do that giant magnets gigantic magnets. Really, Really. What I love is how simple it is like that, breaking that you know I was magnets, yes, but how did they work that you have asked the insane client composting something tells me they don't know. Let's do one more. What's let's talk about this idea that the EPA itself is polluting the EPA like the World Bank allegedly might be, is creating or propagating

problem. It was built ostensibly to solve their people leave it. Well, I mean, if you believe this theory the here a couple things that I can imagine you saying to yourself. Well, they have to increase their budget year every year, so there have there have to be greasing increasingly bad in that they have to take care of that they need more money to handle? No, do you hear my head? king? I usually untried here I'm trying to read in the things that would be said We need a government organ. asian to actively you know But one thing is those people who work in the organization me to keep their jobs in order to keep their jobs. We have to just saying people do that for them they dont need to help. The corporations are doing a fine job of polluting they don't need EPA is. Will the EPA has helped accidentally?

a few time. We're sure, no doubt that I'm just saying in terms of a conspiracy involving EPA actually on their lunch break, they go out and dump a bucket of toxic waste and the river was our. Come on. Let's get money behind somebody's back from an industry on purpose is to make Dumbson toxic waste. Let's say: oh, I don't know, from the old gold king, mine Ben, I was gonna, say, may as well be. Yes, There is this idea that gained a little traction with the legislature neuter, which was that the EPA did not act We release three million gallons of mining waste water into the animal River in Colorado that instead they purposefully did it and the states attorney general was kind of lake you know? I don't know, maybe maybe who knows to buy.

Waiting to be alive. I was a boy here. It seems from the idea that there were warned well advanced. There is an issue here, and not only with this one, king, gold or gold king mine, there all these other minds in that area that or are connected directly directly to rivers and The groups there just warning and mourning and worn a hail of these mines have wastewater and terrible things in them that are gonna get into the river. So we have to do something about it and it stinks because the EPA really can has passed a table it to a certainty. stand until they can get the resources to take care of it. At least that's what the EPA says. A representative named MIKE no this anyway. So this away said that the EPA might have caused this bill to help environmentalists put an end to the hard rock mining industry. I just don't see that know how that would that's like such a rube, Goldberg machine of up.

I would need some proof to believe that German, the mousetrap? Oh here it's it's like I'm mousetrap level, overly complicated plan invest the whole in this retaining wall and let out all the stops by the way, the loons, they were led out ended up was an animal river and they got polluted. Are you an extremely high levels of lead, arsenic, cadmium, but really and mercury in the water, so anything living in that water. Anyone using that water. This is not good, and, according to this one CNN report, That was looking at an actual EPA report. Was how about Perhaps these, because these are heavy metals right and it's not that just go away once there in a river like this, they sink to the bar and then, if you have Cabbage Cavendish anything else who lives in their or even if there's a lot of alarm

extra water moving through with a little bit of flooding, you're gonna get that stuff. It's gonna get up with the silt. Get more problems anyway. I just thought this was a really interesting in kind of scary thing that happened on my birthday this year, so things lot easier, yeah Pierre created in eighteen. Seventy to look after the environment and a ruin birthday ruin my facebook posts on both a yes well, I'm glad that they are doing something. Now, I'm kidding I'm kidding You know that also the EPA does a lot of good work that gets ignored right this week. He wheels get the Greece, Spain and the barking dogs are the ones you here and other various figures of speech pointing we're focusing on the stuff that has been alleged were proven to be shady to be incorrect to be correct, because that's what we're looking to do?

easy aviators, their job than we have no idea and can Epa do their job structurally. Given the relationship between a business in a government right or just the sheer size of this regulatory body, how our Jim. Why do eggs employees complained, but I guess ex employees will always come out of the woodwork for anything right. So we once again- and I guess we get Rapid up, unfortunately, only want to hear from you guys. What do you think of the EPA? Are you one of the people who thinks it shouldn't exist? If so, I want to hear from you. I think that something like it needs to exist that's. What I think is personally no doubt I don't know, but I'm really interested in hearing the opinions of a people who think that it shouldn't or that something different should exist. What would that be and tell us

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