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the horrible loss of life, but it's a mystery for short, the for me, it's horror, mystery because they're so many questions that remain what happened. to release a lamb when she was in that hotel we caught her on camera How did she end up where she ended up? That's right. What this episode is about us with this story is about and there There are look spoiler this too much, but this thing still has questions surrounding it, so What are we job unless learn everything we can in what we know, at least as of. February twenty seventeen

don't you at those two psychic powers and government conspiracies history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn this stuff. They don't want you to know a lot of them after the show. My name is met. My name is no you- are you that makes this stuff. They don't want to know when it again with everybody. The end of the week today, it's friday they play for the weekend almost end of the month to already almost into february like this,

it, has achieved some weird form of time. Control, like its extended out in my mind, to feel like a much longer period of time has actually been yet. We ve been here a very long time, because at the beginning of the month. Of course, I, like millions of other american play bone thugs and harmony first of the month just to get motivated, and it feels like it's been years since I've done that january has been very long. I was going to say if you like it just started. I miss my uncle charles yo once a one day. Maybe we can. We can finally finish that chick fillet based parent, He saw we wrote about you. The melody about those harmony, the reason we're talking about timing- and plans for the weekend and suffers because

we ve all been travelling. More will be travelling more over this year, especially as a show, and today's episode is about someone who went on their own journey person named elisa lamb on february, first twentieth, thirteen a twenty one year old, canadian college student named elisa lamb vanished, whilst it these seesaw hotel in downtown los angeles notices in the skin. Ro area, of los angeles, which has a reputation for being a bit dangerous seedy. If you will lots of drugs crime in this area that just something to take note of She was traveling alone via amtrak and she's, taking the bus a lot and she caught

this her quote: west coast tour and unfortunately, when this young woman went missing the cops the police officers had no leads People who are investigating that is with the x of a small video short snippet, a video that their release to the public This is a video of elisa lamb in an elevator mad. Describe it. Yes, please in this video I released by the lapd which, at this point, the most popular posting, possibly the only one on youtube, has a whopping seventeen million four hundred, nine thousand and nineteen views the videos are a little under four minutes, and it shows this young woman wearing a red hoodie and a black skirt walking into an elevator and proceeding to press all of the buttons for the floors in the middle of the

the dial of the panel in the elevator and then sort of standing back against the back of the elevator and waiting for something I we don't quite know what, but the doors the elevator never close, and this seems to disturb ms lamb and she kind of access, though she's hiding in a corner with it. It's not a real sense of eminent fear of something that she's he's, it's more of preparing for something to come. Almost she huddles back against the wall. corner the elevator and then proceed to kind of peak out of the elevated was which are still not closing. It's been about twenty five thirty seconds at this point. She makes several. Very wide steps from inside the elevator out into the hall and then back repeating these movements almost as if doing some sort of rituals very soon. Settling video to watch. Honestly, I recommend you guys search it out and check it out for yourself, my even now before proceeding with the opposite effect. Equally and will have more information about the about the elevator

the video a little later in the show, It now we're in still in twenty thirteen, several weeks later, the public. seeing the video what's out there in the world and after some complaints about water pressure on February nineteenth, twenty thirteen, Oh tell maintenance, employee named Santiago lopez, height descent stairs to the roof and then climbed a ladder to reach one of four ten foot tall water tanks. He noticed that the hatch on one of these tanks was open, and that is where he discovered elisa Lam, or at least her corpse floating in side. The tank face up. She was nude, but authorities for the record ruled out evidence of sexual assault and This should be the closure for a tragic, but all too common death by drowning. These occur every every year in the u s and abroad. Instead, it became the begin a mystery, and here we are almost four years after the incident with em

no solid answers. So what happened to Elisa lamb, we're going to its or the numerous theories, sir, being surrounding the night of her disappearance and what happened after the discovery of her remains. So let's take a minute to explore the life of elisa Lam. Here's. What we know here are the facts and her parents immigrated from hong kong to open a restaurant in burnaby near vancouver british columbia, and she was a student at the university of british columbia and in january of two thousand and thirteen she went on a solo trip to California, which, as women, when she referred to as her west coast, tour ma am and planned stops in san, diego los angeles, santa cruz in san francisco interviews and posts from elisa tumblr blog.

Confirm that she had difficulty struggling with serious depression. That may well have escalated into a bipolar. So as we mention that, just a few minutes ago earlier, the local law enforcement released a video of elisa lamb No, it's all elevator on the night of her disappearance, which also seem to be around the time of her. You know the night of her death or within several hours In the video, as no pointed out, she appears to be hiding from an unknown entity. One thing that you'll notice, are these wild erratic movement body, language experts. This is important. Note body language experts believe this may be a manic period, and it may be

manifesting in very strong but very fleeting and temporary emotions. There are times in the video where she smiling there are times when she's hiding and one thing that we also noticed. I think we will watched it is that the door doesn't seemed to close at least now she's anywhere near the elevator right right and the fact that she pushes the whole row of buttons, which is not like a means, it The whole thing the reason it gave me the creeps is the fact that the elevator doors don't open and she appears to be I could see it being described as manic moves, but they dont it's not like she's having some sort of fit or an attack. If some sort of feel very in control, it feels very deliberate the things that she's doing the way she steps out of the elevator and then back in and then out of the elevator again and back in, and then she kind of huddles against the back wall of the elevator sort of standing very still and upright

in the corner by the buttons corner, where the words and like it's as though she's expecting someone or as if she senses something you know that there and that the it really I'm not one to go for that kind of stuff. A lot as watching the video gave me. A bit of a shiver yeah, especially for me, the body language with the hands. There's a part of the video where she exit and she's standing directly outside and to the left, the door, so she still visible in profile, and she just does a strange thing. Pivoting her wrist and moving her hands and some sort of its very strange motion almost like a tie they call that I don't know if you watch them show the finger, tighten yeah, that Williams and I'm not joking. It has that almost like sense of trying to

complete the motions of a ritual of some sort. My yes, it's very, very interesting. It looks calculated and purposeful and its intricate very good point, and that is one of the linchpin of the various theories surrounding the death of lisa land. Before we get into those, I do think it is necessary for us to have one disclaimer, which is that We're press we are pursuing this, exploring this in the utmost, respectful manner right in a manner of extreme respect, because we know Sometimes when things like this get out on the internet, people can be very dehumanizing about it. You know, and people had lives ruined when they become means, because they ever done picture from there School yearbook right, hopefully not. None of us are speaking from experience. Europe actually experience that butts.

This is this is a very serious thing. This is human beings, life, and we can forget that the person that have family and loved ones, and if you follow her social media presence and look, you know some of this stuff, Is out there, there is a lot about wearing of love for her family and from her friends. and we want to keep all of that in mind in how we explore the various theories behind this tragic death and we will explores those theories in just a moment. After a word from our sponsors. in kobe, the scene were busy and we were happy, though yahoo state and being put there settler city anything dumb as inclusive levies, Agassi rapido not provide either positivo. He has done, although he has other qualities in where vegan abby actor. We are happy the contract immune to sort Alice already said those kiteboarding hamas in Gaza. He didn't administrators head into the cinco de esp was the already silencing thomas elokobi. These movies imovie rapido yells that ambient boy there, Sarah la pregunta s, superb

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theories of sprung up from all corners of the internet. I usually these are Fascinating! No right bananas. You on your words, my friends, I respect and appreciate everything about you, sometimes a relatively mundane. Others are a bit out there. What's, let's call them extraordinary, but would start off with the least unusual what, if the least in the grip of a bipolar episode, climb the water tower self accessed the roof. Then the stairs and open the hatch and disrupt and dropped inside. Ok, so this is a possibility. This would prove, I believe the outcomes razor may perhaps this would be where you'd start with

Yeah, this is one that I would probably star with. If I was an investigator, if only just a rule it out. So we know that it's possible to access the roof, as of whose Mr Lopez mentioned. By getting up to the top floor, then climbing the stairs opening a door that has an alarm on it and then you're on the roof, and you can gain access to the water tanks. It's a little convoluted to get there. We we have some pictures here. You can look at it and you can find them online to if you wish look at this cecil hotel roof. but we also know from a view that was posted, by someone online who tried to retrace that the steps of elisa lamp and this person went through the vote, a hotel room at the cecil hotel got to

one of the top floor is not the very tough one where you can access the roof through the stairs, but you can access a virus. by climbing a ladder, and then you can get to the roof that way and then from there you can climb another ladder. They get you up to the smaller tower, that's above where the water tanks are, and it is very much possible that that is one way elisa lamb did access. These water takes the itself. The way you get in these water tanks is about sixteen inches large, and I have not seen any one else if you guys have seen anyone like opening one of these things I haven't seen video of it at least I'm not aware of it now offer tanks are for by eight feet. That's one point two by two point: four meters:

the cylinders are propped up on these fairly large concrete blocks, which is why lopez describes as a ten foot tank exactly and there's no fixed access to them. You can't just climb up a ladder that is attached to one of these tanks to get into it. That's why it's thought that perhaps went up around the latter. On the other side and again, they are protected by this heavy lives there. is a red it post on unreal. Of mysteries. Then you and I daresay looked at and on here someone goes through inserts. Looking at the physics of what this hatch would be. because it's this is something you can't find online anywhere through the official sources and Here's a review around thirty pounds to fifty pounds heavy depending on what game steel, what's made out of which is fairly heavy, if you think about that trying to lift up, but not impossible to list, certainly not impossible.

And while there was a diminutive person, it's not automatic proof that she couldn't lift the hatch. The big question is whether the hatch was lot then night, right, and whether there was some way to access the roof as a customer, a guest of the hotel, and that leads us to the second theory, which is a bit darker. What if at least the lamb was abducted and this would explain why she seen we were having a radically in the video, maybe there, was someone actually following her that she was trying to get away from. I find that a little difficult given you know that she didn't run.

It was just kind of hanging out in this elevator re looking around, but not really making any effort to escape anything immediately threatening her. But let's continue so there is no proof that she wasn't murder, don't get that out of the way. Oh sure she made blog posts while she was staying at this hotel. I'm talking about having trouble with quoting quote creepers. I guess, but you know you can interpret that any number of ways, whether another So it was actually following her round a single individual that she had been a fine or whether it was just like you said it was in vain

beverly catcalls yeah, that kind of stuff more towards your more general pleasantness and the blog was updated several times after her death, which is very unusual. One of the images that's on there is a a la like a graphic image of an of a light bulb hanging from a string against a kind of a drab wall backdrop and inside the light bulb, is kind of snowy scene. With a with a little shack and a tree. I found that a little unsettling myself. But then you've mentioned you feel like this could have been a series of scheduled posts. Perhaps read people can do it. The internet has a weird approach to time. You can write a blog post and schedule it for years in the future. Technically, but still, if you look at

What was it? No, you did the leg work on this to you, you saw the most. Recent posts was definitely like the same year, but months later now, so it's then it becomes a question of win win. That post was actually written nor scheduled to publish or if there was some one else, maybe a friend or a relative. worse, another unknown person who had access to it. The biggest signpost too Do this like if she had a murderer who was a war? boy at the hotel then that would explain why they were able to get up there. the doors and the stairs that access the hotels roof or locked, with only after having passed coding, cheese and any attempt to force them would have, in theory, triggered in alarm for the record

Later legal dealings between the hotel staff and lambs parents lawsuits, the staff stated that he did not hear any alarm on the night of lambs disappearance and improbable deaf. and something about here is if she did access the roof through some other means through a fire escape or something it would In my mind, if she was attacked, why someone not on the roof and then taken to the roof. That would be extremely difficult to do without having access to the door. There has an alarm on it. Yes, yeah, that's a very good point and the lack of evidence of sexual assaults makes some of that.

bit difficult to believe. For me, I mean, if you're, going to take a young lady. You know up to the roof like that. It seems like you would have nefarious intend unless it was some sort of serial killer that lose nemo did not include any kind of sexual assault right right and if it was a male serial killer. Male serial killers are typically quickly have some sort of aspect of that with rape. In you know, serial killer wouldn't be two out of the ordinary cecil hotel. That's true there The history. Where was it ramirez richard Ramirez? therefore a little while the the original night starker, but the knight stocker, yes, richer, ramirez or mainstream night slugger, along with his copycat jack unto whittaker, lived at the who at the cecil hotel while they committed there

crimes. This using one of the stranger theories, the idea- and this is for people who believe in things like ghosts, were possession sorts. The cecil hotel has a very troubling It's similar to the overlook hotel in the shining. It seems to be ah the by some dark lottery of coincidence. It is a place where a lot of bad things happen. Elizabeth short, also known as the black dahlia was supposedly, staying at the cecil before she was murdered in nineteen forty seven goldie osgood known as the pigeon lady oppression swear, was raped and murdered in her hotel room there and sixty four and ass He said serial killers stayed there while they were active A hotel has also been there. Location of multiple Many suicides, including.

and this is a very strange when one woman who, committed suicide by jumping out of a window off the ledge and then killed. I can wait the innocent person who just happened to be walking by that- is that this is a family. So I say that is the crappy stay ever almost as though, if whereas some sort of malignant energy seeping out from this place. This is almost an example of it reaching out into the greater world around it and then having an effect it's possible or you take the other side, and if I embody jonathan strickland for a moment you to say well, maybe it could just be an area where this hotel is located right, That's and Jonathan Strickland disease is The show a host of pike has tech stuff and also we'll make occasional appearances here.

You guys, you, oh he's, also our complaint departments of yes place. They send them directly jonathan dot, strickland house of works. I come back. That is a good point, is just simply that it is a budget hotel. a bad area means possible, but Do you believe that there can be places with bad or good energy? It's an interesting question, because many times people would disappear. There is some sort of quote: unquote: hippy Debbie thing we do have. We did I didn't know earlier episode, a goes that there's compelling evidence that human beings are sensitive to certain frequencies and energies that we do not consciously interpret you know. If someone there there frequencies, they can make you hallucinate frequencies of noise frequencies of electromagnetic radiation and

The vast majority of people throughout civilization, Reich's, really only really recently started. Understanding magnetism. And if I could quote icy p, do a lot of people still are clear on what's going on with magnets, so most apple foot goodwill most people will just say: no. If you hear something spooky you're at this, you're this graveyard here at this place, where people repeatedly citing strange phenomenon in you experience it yourself, a lot of people, going to instant He turned into some sort of vulcan and go well logically, a people going away. Either run or take out their camera or freak out and I wonder if there is one of their such things as good places. You know there are a couple here, the atlantic area that are meant to be like that, there's a spy

in an arabian mountain which is fun fact, also location, party, filmy, location, pet cemetery to really dear ribby amounts and interesting places. You go and feels like you're almost on the moon, like it there, these bizarre craters that support It's some kind of you know the specifics of the type of that linking us this year. That religion is red. Yeah makes the water reds they're all these pools of blood, red water with mossy. fuzzy little ecosystems within them. Editor in looks like Nowhere else, I've ever been in my life. If you're, I will atlanta a little cairns little stacks of rocks. I, where is it? Is it cursed the area there or is it a good place- I well, it seems to be usually bad place, because the report

it's we would always always hear where that and it had a higher than average incidence of violent crime which again could just be the location. It's a very old old place. It's a part of the fourth largest basaltic extrusion, which it's it's also part of the same gigantic chunk of basaltic rock, that formed stone mountain, which is another fairly odd atlanta. Attraction and yeah. Like no said the plants, there seem completely almost completely alien, you know and does for like the moon. Ah there were some very dodgy murder is there in the seventies, you can see where, at the sight of wonder someone wrote the large prayer and white paints narrow, we're going there many years ago to have,

jeanne somebody's scrawling it out in black paint. In writing. He can't hear you and I dont know who stacks those rocks, but anyway, it's a stream place in it's easy. It's surprisingly easy to get lost there too, but for people who believe in very good places or very bad places are very spiritual places. Are. We would like to hear what you think if you think that's real if you think, there's a reason behind it, whether that reason, a scientific or spiritual. Here we have new foodstuffs, before about lay lines or other geo magnetic theories. We have also heard arguments about things like altitude

in someone's perception or sea level. It's pretty fascinating thing. I got a couple additional details about the elisa lam case that are quite troubling. You may want to cut this out guys by and apparently she was in the tank long enough that her remains contaminated. The drinking water and bathing water for the hotel and some guests reported having drank drank it the year. Something wrong was with the taste, was ok yeah, that's one of the big, the

back and forth. People have had in the years since, because we know there was definitely water pressure, but if there is a decomposing, it was what they call more moderately decomposed body. So that means it's bloated screen. Is it's dino? It is contamination, so yeah those people in those in this place with hundreds of rooms right now they probably drank it and we didn't have. I I couldn't find any reports that confirmed any illness from that, but statistically it's Very, very likely that happened, because these are that this was a matter of weeks. You know I am, and finally the parents, lisa lambs parents, they filed a lawsuit and negligence lawsuit against the hotel. But a judge in los angeles, threw it out claiming

the death- could in no way have been considered foreseeable entirely because of the conditions that we described. In order to get into that tank, she would have had to scale. Quite a few treacherous situations, including a ladder to get up to the ledge above it, because there were no accessible ladders on the tanks themselves and then would have had to scale down a partial wall. There was above the tank or just jumped off the roof onto the top of the tank, and there was nothing according to the judges ruling that would have made it inviting in any way or made it seem like it was ok to be their everything pointed to this person having done this themselves, which I think is what makes this case so very, very creepy to me also normal

algebra that up because one of the most painful things about something like this is when someone is gone, you know, and if your child is gone, then that's the beginning of something that is going to continue for years, maybe never ends and a half to go to the is this court room to stand in front of these strangers to say you know people shouldn die when they go to your hotel, our daughter should die and its in its tough I do not envy the judge whether there's always a need to find answers, and sometimes that leads to a sense for retaliation against perceived enemy entirely antagonist, but we

also mention that a you know, bipolar disorder manifests itself across a very large spectrum, I'm right. I've known people that were considered bipolar and these behaviors. These manic episodes followed by these depressive episodes there really mild and the very manageable by given further trip down that spectrum, you could find yourself in a place where you'd, be driven to do something right. This layer, perception of your environment reality takes, takes a hard left its a it's, a very serious thing and it does have a spectrum and it does have degrees, and especially, if you know, depending on what cocktail you have running through your body of drugs right and so that's good point two there is. There is an autopsy report that you can find in pdf form online.

On this, this thing has some good news. There was a harem fear, no kit die no evidence of physical trauma nor of sexual assaults? They also found no evidence. This is interesting. That sea would suggest Islam had committed suicide. So that's why it's ruled as an accidental dry. hunting- and they do say bipolar disorder as a significant factor, they also found her clues. she's wearing the elevator video floating in the water, beside her coated with a I'm, quoting here sand like particulate, not sure where it can. From an her watch. A room key were there to toxicology test were done on her blood and they found traces of her prescription metal patient. She was on a long list that she had shadow history have taken. Medications is better way to say it. She also

non prescription drugs, like sign a tab ibuprofen. Ah she had point zeroed two percent alcohol. Blood, but there were no recreational drugs in our system, and I mean point zero. Two percent is like a beer yeah. Well, it's the bodies also breaking now. This point, and so how long was it before that she was choose discovered just to make that clear I guess so from february, first of february, nineteenth so two weeks, mom between two and three weeks yet and the full autopsy you report was released for months later in june by on february, twenty first, the corners this ruled it an accidental drowning. There are so many unexplained things like that occurred that night and then, from that date. until she was found, and even now today-

and there are so many ideas about what this could be about. What could have happened some of them even veer into this spooky- maybe I mean most a sense that there were some occult activity going on some of the message boards in various postings and through more can spirits, conspiracy, oriented forums in groups that I've seen meaning. I don't talk about this case in the same breath as alastair crowley, the kinds of summoning rituals that he would have done with these hand, movements the touch that we were talking about earlier or with, the possession, the demon, possession kind of versions of a story with this being a bad place very much like the movie pet cemetery, which came up one related to this actually document locations of the filming by that had to deal with a location that was built.

On the soil, the sour tainted ground here ground richard Ramirez also was a practising a call. This t practice what he considered to be left hand path, magic, what rituals- and this is something that I think is thrown around far too often, but another thing that I seems to pop up a lot about this case is that this is an example of some sort of illuminati ritual exposed to the public in a way that perhaps the ones perpetrating it wouldn't have wanted to have. So, let's continue down this path. This rabbit whole. Let's look at some more extraordinary theories regarding this instant. After a quick word from our sponsors,

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Nobody thought that since you made the catch wintertime into it, I know theresa, isn't quite the model state of thinking for mass surveillance of journalists and treat covert. This in my bedroom become sms. I guess but there's another professor hey, there's a better way to fly instead of being stuck in endless lines and packed onto planes. Try simplifying your travel with surveyor save an average of two hours on every trip and avoid crowded airports with a new way to fly private with surfer you'll fly from smaller airports closer to your home. There are no lines, no waiting and no stress surfer dot com, the best alternative to commercial air travel that makes flying easy, get a free quote on your next flight at surf air dot com, there's a better way to fly private The days are a great time for storytelling. The pace, pay slows down and you can let yourself get lost in once upon a time now. Audible is introducing special theories for music lovers. It's called origin abroad,

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just theories we found regarding the events on the night of february: first, railway, thirty, first, twenty thirteen was an urban legend, that originated in korea, and it is called the elevator game. This is completely speculative. We have not play this game, I dont know if we would want to. I cannot wait to do that. The idea, I would rank this in the all, do dare daring your friends to do stuff games that so many people play growing up turning the light seen bloody mary several times in a mirror fairly man right, candy man sue the ideas that, by performing a certain ritual, an elevator, very specific,

when you will arrive at a slightly off kilter plain of existence,. and I'll, read some stuff from just the account of the elevator game. According to people that have completed the game. Six. Actually, it looks the same as the town and building that you're from when you emerge. But all the lights are off. You can only see red cross cross in the distance. You're the only living thing in this plain and for the most part, electronics, don't work. If you manage to get to this strange place, Returning to the real world is more difficult Grow disoriented, the elevator door will seem to grow further and further wage walk toward it. Only one person can play the game at a time. It can only be put formed in a building, at least ten stories high with the least one elevator in it. Otherwise, you cannot proceed and they have the instructions for travelling.

And we don't have to go through all of this, but one of the ideas would be. You enter the while the basic steps you enter, the elevator from the first floor buyers If anyone else gets on, you cannot continue the ritual and you have to wait until you can take the elevator alone. You press the button for the fourth floor when it reaches the fourth floor. You stay inside the elevator and press the button for the second floor. Dont get out when you reach the second for staying and press the button for the sixth floor, And then, after that, don't get out remain in the elevator, go back to the second floor and once you reach the second for press the button for the tenth floor. And if you hear anything calling to you on the second floor, do not reply, don't answer and then once you're. So it's very intricate right. This pattern of buttons written so when she reached the tenth, forced down and press the button for the fifth floor.

this is the creepy part. They say that when you entered the when you when you get to the fifth floor after you, ve done the series of buttons a woman will enter a stranger, the strange one they will enter the elevator and she'll try to talk to you and you can't acknowledge them. She might this Some might even appear as someone you are familiar with. According to the legend high school friend coworker in the new press, the important that you don't look at this personal and if you press the button to head to the first floor. This is when you know the ritual worked correctly, because you push the button for the first four. Instead of going to the first floor, you go to the tenth, you start going up and then.

if you reach the tenth floor, you can stay honour exit the elevator. Somehow said that when they are trying to leave the woman will try one last time to engage with you schmidt, Is your voice. She may shriek at you. There's only one way to know whether you travel to the other world for sure you will be the only living thing there, and then they have instructions to get back. To the get back to the actual world, our world in their they're they're, pretty detailed. So this all the makings of an urban watch red. Yes, it has all the troops has a it. Has the the fear of strangers and has the importance of ritual and rule following it has anonymity and authors. It has no specific examples of times that this occurred. So I d.

The best way for you and I and everyone else to find out whether this works would be to attempt it here. We cannot attempt it in our office because our office is not. Ten stories only goes up to seven or so that would be Different ritual I'll budge really fast. Along with these Is that your listing off about what makes it an urban legend One issue here, is that electronics, most electronics? Don't seem too or for the most part, nor the for which you know you try and film this, so you put it on youtube and show yourself going to an alternate plain. Its programme can happen chronic stonework also need to be alone, and would that vital one of the rules by having a care ro, which is that in some way an infinite number of yours. But how about this fellows?

Another thing about urban legends is that they're, you know cobbled together from bits of things that may or may not be true. The thing you end up with is sort of the product over a game of telephone played over generation. Sometimes you know what, if a story like this, what if there was some truth to it? What if the procedure that land here is not exactly right? What? If someone really had the right way of doing this and did involve an elevator Maybe it involves some strange hand gestures. Maybe it involved, you know pressing a certain row of buttons all the way and maybe there's an apparition of some sort in that elevator footage that is being communicated with in some way I don't usually go for this kind of stuff, but this story really got me

machination going, and I can't help it think of that tumblr image there was posted after Alyssa lambs death. So long after of a single light bulb with another world contained inside you hanging from a string against drab backdrop, it just kind of represents to me the idea of a different world going to a different place, yet that you that's a very good point normally also. It also calls to mind a discussion about rituals and grim was you know the idea that may be there is a real ritual, and it it just isn't specifically explained correctly, and we do know the one thing that escapes a lot of people about folk tales and fairy tales sure it's easy to dismiss them, but, like knorr said with the game of telephone for generations, these are cobbled from very, very.

Old old stories. All as so many of those urban legends that you may hear about ufos began as stories of gods and mountains and evil spirits or ferries. say, and so this likely does have the dna might say of of something else and the way that the way that they associate the people believed that this elevator game theory, the way they associated, is with exactly, as you pointed out, the button. a and the deliberate seeming motions that this person takes, but. Wonder, if anybody has thought about the point that you made, which I don't think I've heard, I think this is the first time I've thought about it. No light bulb image not to poke holes in

Theory too much, but at least alarm, at least according to the video, never travels on the elevator stays on one floor and I'm glad you brought that up, because people who claim to be video editor. Experts have controversial views about that, and this is where I wanted to defer to you guys, your expertise. Do you think the video is added? Another time stamp is obscured and the original Because several be washed it and said that it was edited for people who are not here, soon some kind of supernatural or extra ordinary explanation, the people who think there is a conspiracy, perhaps on the part of the hotel, or perhaps even on the lapd on the lp, and they say that there was someone else visible on the camera, but time had been cut out worse.

ice, and I wanted to know what what you guys. Think of that. the biggest thing for me in watching it is. I cannot find a good enough rip of the original one, the the video that's posted under what is it dennis romero? That's the one with seventeen million views that we are talking about that that's obviously the most commonly viewed on just from the numbers, but it is so pixelate id and everything The numbers at the bottom, with the time code, or what I'm assuming its time code on the bottom left hand corner it's just it look strange to me

and it's so low quality that it would be very hard to determine whether or not this thing was affected in post, somehow to look in a certain way, because you could manipulate the contents of this imagery fairly easily okay. So in that case it's sort of inconclusive as what I would say. Okay, what? What do you think? No, it wasn't anything that would have been easy to edit that actually hit me about it It was just more the way she moved. You know it was like the way she the things that she did. So you re saying that, like it may have been, there may have been parts of it. There were added it out, perhaps where the elevator was in motion where she did get on and took the elevator, another floor or someone else did at some point get on the elevator with her here on camera and then the numbers down here that it appears to be a time code? That's in white as the prime ray color and then there's either a drop shot.

Oh or a black background on top of the numbers and That's generally, not what you see in time goad. Perhaps it is for this system that used in the hotel, but it looks strange to me as someone works with video on a daily basis. Why does it matter whether a movie or not, I guess, for more information on her travels like whether she was really alone, and you know, if that, if it was available to the police than they would know now be part of the investigation fully, I'll put on my put I'll put on my jonathan cap here for a second to and say that the one at one of the people believe that the video was edited as some sort of conspiracy. Maybe it there was a if there was a murder and with someone at the hotel or something The their idea is that it was edited to cut that person off from appearing on camera. However,

we should also point out that even unto the idea of dore locks and stuff. This is kind of a city hotel or a budget hotel right. I see a lot of history, but also its not as likely to follow procedures to a t including stuff, like elevator maintenance, so an older elevator, it could just be malfunctioning, I don't know that's the case. I haven't I the elevator maintenance guy having checked their paperwork from twenty thirteen, but that does seem to be a possibility, Someone were to be murdered in a hotel the hotel liable to the family of the victim. That's it your question, I guess it would only be through if it were through negligence. So If we were, I don't want to use us, for example, who are other coworkers, ok sure, o John always use of this episode. Our rights.

if it were in we're in a hotel room and he invited guest over and one of, let's keep his hands clean. One of his friends murdered another one of his friends in an argument over the renaissance festival, clue style, clue, style. yes you're, ok, clue style, missus, Aberdeen von batten, burrow in unit one twenty, four with the chopsticks. If the chopsticks it's yeah, I knew you were there as brutal. One that grows a brutal man everyone is out of character. Will what would happen then, as I think that I am not a lawyer. I think the hotel would not be responsible because they, on their part, did nothing wrong to assume that, if you are at a hotel, you care,

usually bring guest and if the hotel, all rooms and units are up to code in terms of safety and everything then something wrong if they, if it can be proven that the person at the counter. let's say our coworker lauren- was at the counter there as the as the clerk and this admiral VON. That brew guy said a cut. I'm going up to you at one twenty, four, I'm going to murder! One of Jonathan Strickland's friends and she didn't call the cops. Then she would be liable as an individual. But what about? Even if, like an employee the hotel If someone information the finding someone they didn't want to be found. For example, yeah, like wonder

so really good point, because that happens on both sides of the law that happens when police If you're hunting down a missing person or someone who committed a crime is on the run, but that also would happen. You know with an abusive spouse or I hit man. Very good question: I am interested we should thirsted listeners. Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a history in the hospitality business, we would like to know purely for informational purposes, right no plans right now, no ok! So we would like to know how that legally works because a lot of hotels-

By the by the mere by their mere existence, as temporary housing could plausibly have any of the crimes that occur in a in a permanent house occur, there, murder, assault, theft, kidnapping and so What point is the hotel liable? This is really making me rethink hotels and I now never never say perfect, someplace that you dont control. really fast. This video, I just I was looking back through it again, as you guys are having that discussion and at two fifty six in the time code of the danish romero version there is clear cut really a stop in the time code positively, even the doors begins. Closing that's one of the places that bull, I went through the comments. That's when the places that people have noticed something is off, and you ll see a few instances of that word.

can clearly tell that whatever time code is generally of the bottom skips a bit ends or stops So is it possible then, that it could be just a cut for time. Yeah, that's possible that the law enforcement just dispersed the most relevant part of. Absolutely possible for our footage yeah, but we won't know unless we were told that directly by someone who is on the case, there is one other theory, one final theory that we found. That is a very strange coincide, That's what I'm gonna call this a very strange coincidence and the old really ties in two or implicitly ties into the concept of human experimentation. When Elisa lam was in california at this time,.

There was a tuberculosis tests occurring a large scale and and The goals of this were to combat the rise of drug resistant tee. he is a noble aspiration. It is one that is important to the species as a whole. The official name of this test of this project was lamb eliza el eight in de l, I as a The same spelling, valises net allies, lambs name lies lamb, the person Because of this view very strange coincidence. Many people have speculated that the disappearance in and death are somehow related ends

because of this, as well as some other problems with the autopsy reporter earth cited controversies with the autopsy report. People believed that may be. This was the tipp of iceberg of another mass human experimentation and as much as as much as we would. Three of us would like to say: no, that's crazy. That would never happen. We've looked at cases where the? U S, government conducted widespread and dangerous experiments on its own population, in louis southern california in there. if people syphilis or or excuse the official story is they just didn't, treat syphilis looked at the effect they looked at the effect. so we knew that human experimentation occurs. However,.

What we also knows that the public tends to fight doubt about this decades decades later and it's. The old weasel board argument right, like If there is a real, if there really is a way to contact the afterlife, is it in a mass produced game by parker brothers and still no proof? there is a if there is a vast, the far east city wide or be a large scale secret human, experimentation project or going to name it after one of the people involved. You know what I mean. That's like calling it that sake, Matt, frederick, having a human sacrifice, ring operating in a raby, a mountain in the seventies and then having putting out a public.

notice about matt, fredericks, topsecret human sacrifice ring and the sacrifice dash human rights or the right dot. Org is a nonprofit so that Coincidence, while strange way with the information we have now, it's tough the call it anything else and at this point and seems I done, the majority of people believed that this was a very unfortunate tragic heartbreaking incident that happen. Completely involving eliza lamb on her own. However, we would like to know what you think are the questions that people posing: are they

utter bunker, they malarkey is there's something more to the story and, while you're at it what other unexplained disappearances or deaths, would you like us to explore in the future? Let us know what you think and speaking of hearing from you. What do you say guys should we do charge gone asked our first, shut out goes to Jacob. are also known as honcho on show underscore one is: is it right that I said that Jacob? I hope so, as I did, I have you guys are reluctant to you in a jam, the twenty one. Oh yes, we have, sir supposedly quoted the naked communist ties in with it. At a human growth and development. Professor that made us watch the doktor murray agenda grinding america down Well, we have covered agenda twenty one,

video form that on honour youtube channel or at stuff. They don't want you to know dot com, best url in the history of the internet, and This is this has to do with food production and why there's a lot stuff. It goes the agenda, twenty one. It's characterized as a city Annabelle as a volunteer. the action plan for sustainable development, which means that there hoping to combat poverty there hoping to create more more league. protection for environmental concerns, deforestation, biodiversity control pollution, etc. Opponents of it the site,

been typically say that this is removing serenity and agency from individual countries, and this is a huge, this, a huge documents. Three hundred fifty pages, its forty chapters long, I have I am always surprised when someone has read the entire thing and not to popular in the. U s: well, here's the best way to say it. Aren't you. A june two thousand twelve pool of thirteen did S. Voters found that nine percent of the people supported at six percent of it a six percent opposed it. An eighty five percent said they didn't have

opinion, because if they know it lists didn't have enough information and I'm going to check out the documentary you recommended grinding america down. I have not seen that yet. Have you guys seen that But but knew just from the research I had done previously with you guys on this. Ah, I don't look at agenda twenty one kindly too much, because it does feel like there's, maybe something to it that gets in, I don't wanna, say, gets into Egypt. It's too much it's the population control. I it feels that way to me, even though that's not stated anywhere right any in any of the documents, the other official it just has that feeling that's the way of you. the mean the main criticism. I've heard in the west against agenda twenty one, is the idea that it is creating a global order. In an era of global dictatorship,

we all hear a lot of a lot of people say that it is an eroding american serenity. Now the twenty four years old, now twenty five years old, how time flies, how time flies when you have big plans for yeah. Thank you for writing. In honcho. We have another got out. Our second shut out of the day comes from riker, see dear conspiracy, hey how's, it going guys, I'm a truck driver so for around eleven hours a day. I pretty much do anything. I can't fight off the boredom. You guys with stuff? You should know team really make my day a lot easier and I've been binge listening. A lot of your stuff lately then skimming around a lot, but today I listened to your bestowed on the fermi paradox, and I know em incredibly laid on this, but I wanted to and something that I thought would surprise you that you guys did not discuss in our solar system, the sun takes up about ninety nine point, nine percent of the matter here of the

meaning point. One percent jupiter takes about seventy percent of that. In our Own solar system were basically nothing imagine, how hard that minuscule amount of matter would be to pick up on various equipment who, if it even shut up at all, it could be attributed to a rounding error by its entire likely that an intelligent life form visited our solar system in a search for life, but just looked over as a computing error, I wanted to offer up another explanation on the subject. It was one of my favorite episodes. You guys are great and for my sanity say, please keep up. The os we're. Also, do you guys ever plan on doing any kind of work with aaron from the lore podcast? Your cryptid stuff is really interesting and it would be a dream come true to hear that you guys are guest starring or he's guest starring. let's go or actually gonna, be on a bill with lore at the new york city pod fast April, ninth at the bell house in brooklyn, so me we can now make make friends yeah yeah

Hopefully we can say that we are in a hurry home. Technically, that's it! That's that's a pretty pretty great idea. May we shoot me was right and see what's going on and not to mention the computing era stuff I mean. I think that is interesting. Looking if you're monitoring, you know big picture stuff from far far far far away. It's true that we are a bit of a speck aware, a blue, tiny, boosting We are not nearly as important as we think we are. That is pretty much the story Human history, but the I really appreciate that and I don't feel bad does, don't feel bad about being called unquote late, Riker! That's its awesome! That's a point that I personally didn't consider at all. You know, and it probably works both ways right, because if there is another planet around the same size right, even if it's very advanced dance civilization, our odds of finding it

with our comparatively rudimentary equipment are even more infant, testable. It's a big world. It's a big universe chase. It makes you think, also your parents, riker for naming you that or you if you change your name- have ever got there: it maybe just a moniker, the cool name. Yet these are. These are all great names. Aren't you j under its jake, I like hardship sorry sorry Jacob. I think both of your names or us it's. Just honcho seems like such a cool street you know what I mean. You know I'd role with ankara. Yeah with hydro too weak a another shot out for today from somebody elsewhere. As an austrian name in his miranda s hague, absolutely loved the show been a fan for years and so happy you guys you audio pike ass now as well as wondering

Maybe you guys doing episode about the deep web. Maybe did already not sure, also vile magic, slash, satanic sects would be an interesting subject. As with this hence behind chaos, magic and sigils, or their relation to sonic manifestation as a whole. Anyway, keep up the great work you guys help me breeze through my work day. Miranda? We we do we're we're. In luck, we do in fact have an episode on the deep web on the on the beach. six of its value. and also check out summer, I feel like we have to. We have to play nice with her coworker Jonathan attended this opposition. You can also check out some the episodes he has about the deep web, which are great and my fear, One were personally that we ve done is the interview with alex winter, who made a documentary called the deep web organs lip. Yet we

We did have an interview with him very, very cool guy, very knowledgeable as well. we are on the subject of magic, satanic, sacks of chaos, magic and sigils, and to be clear as easy to yes. Yes, yes, yes thank you met her on. I point there are we we ve done some work on magic in the past, where we really, I think we have a wealth of strange opportunities when it comes to examining specific specific occult. Facts like her. You know earlier mentioned: alister crowley and we were talking about a cult theories in this episode and love to delve into the

beast police, conversationally yeah in so we'd like to follow up on that. For now, well. This concludes nah nah nah. She is also concludes today's episode of the stuff. They don't want you to know podcast One more thing on my god, man, I know, come on a coffee. If you guys are interested in that elevator ritual that we were discussing earlier, there is an oculist rift experience. Old, the elevator ritual, wherein get into an elevator and you do the steps where you go up to the second floor. Oh no, you go to the fourth floor than second six. Second, eight. Second, do the whole thing in their may or may not be ethereal woman involved of his sounds exciting

thanks yeah, he can have that. I don't have an access to an oculus, so I can't really do it. I think the thing is noel and I are not the guys in horror movies who go. What was that noise and check it out, see that mirror? I don't even want to go to like haunted, houses and stuff, like you know the the produce once I got you ever been to one don't blame on taint inanity damson. I prefer to be the thing hiding in the dark waiting yeah. Why that thing here believe in yourself me We have you know its. It's is a hundred houses thing as just never been. My cup of tea I would I would I I like control, I'm a control freak. Well, I just a you know, I'm glad that people are having fun on a technical level. I'm sure the makeup is impressive. but I live in atlanta. If I want to run through sketchy area people jump out and try to grab me, then I can just walk there

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