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or bosses, and no longer that stop do not do any of those things. Don't listen to him! It's too late. It's recorded! No, don't added TAT poured out, so it all that with all that said, let's which years wit. What's this episode actually about this show? This is our second foray into the great beyond man into the big. The huge Veni, though the great arbiter death right death, one of the great equalizer of the things that no matter who you are no matter, how much money you make, how much money you don't make, happy or sad. You are one day at present one day all of us will die an subjectively how good or evil you are right. Yeah right had that's a scary thought, no bonus points, yet you literally cannot be too good to die or to evil to die. It happened everyone it's one of the most

serious enigmatic things in the human experience right up there with Where were you, if you were somewhere before you were born, I think there's a mould of other those. A tree near us earlier. We covered this something like this in our episode called the future of death, but focused on some ill different right here we were looking at immortality if, if one person could achieve that or perhaps if humanity could achieve that at some point, we like that, I think, are a childish we looked at Henrietta lacks net. My would urge anyone to go back and listen to that episode has one of my favorite. This is weird, but as one of my favorite sponsored episodes by our in our big eyes by illumination global me, yeah yeah yeah, you just it still. It stood out for me right right that there was that there was a stand out episode. Are you can also check out the video stuff there? We talk about different types

potential immortality, as well as different types of immortality that exist today, although not force humans, yet with other animals, I what we're going do in this episode is explore the nature of deaths, let's say, surprise: surprise, won't Bob immortality doesn't work out Sayer who, for one reason or another, it turns out that Technology is just not there or the bio. bioengineering necessaries, not there or maybe the human brain, just can't cope with physical immortality. So this person, What say. What's pick somebody from example. This person dies. I die what happens when you die? What is death anyway? Well then,

when you die- and I am sorry to say that you have- and I had a good run- that is truly very true- a tanner is going to mourn you as well as myself in Nolan. Hopefully everybody else listening when you die at least on a physical level. It is Is when your brain? So sending electrical signals to the rest, your body unto itself and when your circulatory system ceases to flow. So when blood stops going through, your body stops delivering oxygen to the cells and when there's no oxygen in cells and there's no electroactivity occurring in the brain. That's it all those chemical processes that make us something more than a pile of meat. One rank bacteria in speaking, ranking death is death. Is in fact in defined in several different ways: right click on them. Occurs when a person's heart beat their circulatory system. Star

and their breathing stops. The respiratory system then common later for two six minutes later biological death occurs. Now this is when the brain cells start to die, because there are there not getting any oxygen anymore, that's when you can't be brought back at least its father, you can't be brought back after that point right, the vast majority at times that is good over here right so we have we been human species, not just the three of us here and everybody. Listening to you species overall has world with the definition of debt for a long long time in the very first should have Encyclopaedia Britannica death was called the separation of the soul. And the body, and meanwhile, if anybody would like to read more of the stuff, We're talking about a lot of this comes from some fantastic articles on how stuff works, dot, com

all of which were written by a body Josh Clark, overt stuff. You should know that I think he wrote, I think wrote some of this on how dying works, but this this definition of the separation from the soul of the soul from the body it kind of it, gives us snapshot about how closely humor, These views of death are tied up with the historic religious views. Right, oh sure, we talk a bit in that other episode about how religion is very closely linked to death, because it is one of the ways we ve kind of hacked the idea of death of creating, Billy structures that say: well, maybe that's not the maybe death. Isn't the last thing right? Maybe it is, but a doorway If you have, then you know as time has progressed, and there are so many different religious beliefs now and lack of belief and other places that it's getting closer and closer tied to that science, sure yeah, just Betsy

fifteen or so additions later of the Encyclopaedia Britannica. This very were injury on death became thirty times, longer and it came longer because we're understanding more about the human body but that's not to say that death is necessarily perfectly defined yet or that it even easier to define instead, medical advances, the technology that we ve been developing gave me It actually tougher determine that point that finite point where death is just absolute right. where it actually occurs in euro? find death without medical technology at its current state was a very difficult. thing- and you know it's quite ass well that a hundred and fifty or two hundred years now, as long as the great streak of the human race, continues, that the

technology- we have today- will look barbaric and comparison memory. What if we look back- and we realise all of these people that quote died None of them actually did man. We could have brought them back like three years later. Man, man, well, ok, let's, let's do that hypothetical daffing! So Imagine that the Frederick clan ok several hundred years in the past and met you ve got with the rest of your large family, his airline you here at home with, The matriarch, your mother and she appears to have died. Economic awake tunnel like Colonel Agar, like that. Bed wakes send off. You think she's dead, but you need an expert. Ok, she don't call a doctor. You call the local

priest sure, because he being the closest wine, the close connection to God right is gonna. Have that closely linked to other, not her. Soul is still there. And this priest or members, your family. My I've had done a couple things they might have helped a mirror to the mothers mouth if there was any kind, Breath coming offer any condensation, maybe a feather to see if it moves and so like idea, like maybe she's, breathing Shallow Lee, but still breathing, is not to tickle her nose or something you already of thy. Somebody has tried a story of history is, is long and fraught with dark. Sorry mom! I you know, I'm really sad, that you're gone in the scenario honestly and color, stop about her and Amber I'm trying really hard to escape us right. You don't wanna, let go so if this didn't cloud, if this didn't

then people would say well must be dead now this is before this before the eighteenth century in the eighteenth century, we knew enough about the human body that you met. Your family moves up a few centuries. You would say: let's check the pulse. Let's hear of that, in our Indian has still not been alone, but that's what, before the invention of the stethoscope. So you are not getting a enemy, just listen to that heart you're, just either putting your ear on feeling somebody's chest feeling you no pressure Where are you can feel a heartbeat outlets like it will. Now, if you were a particularly educated member of society, you might have tried out something called Bow force test which what is that Isn't this a thing where you stick needed? through the skin, into the heart. with little flags on top

yeah dolls and see if they move is so weird to see. If the pressure is changing. I guess I guess you to see if there's any slight palpitation, but you ass time went on people. Should we realise that, although you could be looking at a body without any sign of breathing. Without any sign of heart beat, there is still a chance that the person is alive, I've somewhere in their right yeah? When you get story circulating, you might remember the one about by EDGAR Allan POE of a person that could be buried. Thinking This person was dead. We buried him own on another, no they're alive. They were just now showing some of those mean signs temporarily right, yet ok. This is interesting, solicit, sidebar here, because this was one one of a girl, impose personal fears, the idea of being buried alive and, furthermore, when you hear about

vampire panic, sorely, which panics in people going to hunt down a body that be possessed by the devil in, is rising from the dead to drink the blood of the innocent. One of the things that they thought would be proof of this would be things like call in the car. the eyes of disturbance moving around the body did work is rotten or dead as it should be, but that might mean it's because not because they were monster. It's because that they too were afflicted whatever illness was passing around at the time, and then they woke up after they were buried had died of his fixation, trying to dig themselves out to the air the other roughly fear that he had enough here that I have to do. Is this whole industry around these coffin dolls right? Do you remember you ever sire gas were inside? The coffin is connected to bells up six feet above you and if you pull on the little ribbon or the string that yeah, hey

still here. We don't do that. Typically, we don't do that anymore. I think we should still. I like the idea of the insurance factor there, but I don't ever want to be buried. Shoot me into space man coming to try for that. You said that you really want to be sure. There is one of that as well my goals, save the earthly riches for someone else, but sorry vegetable. They are one at that, idea of being buried alive kind it really lead towards. I believe that perhaps death is somehow reversible, not just that you could escape it with immortality, not just that there are certain figures who based on real police have been brought back from the dead, but that maybe you and I maybe we don't have to die,

right right. Maybe we can come close, become back so today we know that their there actually are types of technology that can well a mad. They can reverse death. So if, if a purse What's issues whose turn is it die right now, I'm your efforts to ignore stops. Breathing doctors could hooker up to a ventilator to keep the respiratory circulatory systems running. We ve also got feeding tube CPR. All these devices they can keep up. alive. If You measure life, my pulse, yes, which that's that's why you hear about people with no brain activity to speak of right, yes, I want to talk about a very much, but I have a personal story about that situation. That happened recently to a friend of mine who who was on life support in that way, keeping the circulatory system alive

They were monitoring brain activity and it was the moon brain death when was chosen. This is no longer feasible to try and bring this person back in that the line between having someone laying their that is breathing seems to be breathing, even though it is a machine that keeping them person alive. That's that line is very. It can be traumatic, nothing. I guess, but it's also. It's also amazing that we can even do that. Yes to one analogy the pops up in those by no means a perfect analogy, it makes me think of brain dead body. a sort of like a house where the plumbing works. And utilities are still connected. there's no one living in their house whoa I mean it's

It's not always it's not always true. People have come back from things well, we'll see later on in this episode, so you're right man doctor. and family members around the world start to think that or maybe we shouldn't base this concept. living on a pulse alone, because there are, patients who have tragically never recovered consciousness after being Without these machines commonly called life support system, your started using different terms to describe this other than just dead, the others persistent agitated state there. Is also someone who is in an irreversible coma and eighteen the eight neurologist in France began describing this as a state beyond coma. These people the bodies were alive, but their brains were to damaged for one reason or another, to function to bring

the consciousness back into the physical world. Around the same time, also doctors were learning how to transplant organs into people near death. To prolong their lives. Yes, you can you can get a kidney or liver or any number of things back, but the brain even how the brain is it? It's a tough thing, too Add another one taken out bringing back right and we we do know that. That's one of the reasons some people are so very hesitant to to become organ donors, because they, no. What if I'm in a situation like that if I'm one of those people who goes to the brink, who injures clinical death but when's the lottery and unable to be revived, but because I nor can donor. There was, however, and right now we could do. An entire episode on

organ donation, which is very different territory and more controversial than you might think Oh yeah, as we could, we could Lincoln for the organ trade, the black market orientated, who here as one of my diplomatic friends called at one time the organ trail. Yet yeah. I'm sorry everybody that's what No, my idea.

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US eyes, then party or brain when that shuts down or one that is damage beyond repair. That's really all that matters, but if we take the definition of the whole brain activity than it comes down to oxygen, physical death on a cellular level begins when your body does not get the oxygen it to survive. And, of course, you know, oxygen comes into your lungs primarily transports through your bloodstream right, that's the the postal system frocks Jim. The highways? Yes, all the cars in their little oxygen passengers? ok, so you ready again analyse the eyelids. Let's go for a night, gonna be any less ready. How So here is the grizzly breakdown of what happens when your body dies. different cells in your body are going to break down at different speeds so that the length of the day

process is going to depend on which cells in your body are deprived of oxygen, the most or the fastest, okay, so so that affects linked in also people can take weeks the die or days to die yes or can come on very quick ashore. Now Let's talk about your brain, your brain needs tremendous amount of oxygen to function properly, keeps very little in reserve its not. There are no oxygen tanks up there. It just needs a constant flow of blood, any cut off of oxygen, will and so this really ass within three to seven minutes under now. That's under normal circumstances, and it makes me think about someone let's say Mme I'm kind of a fan of Emma, make sure, launch new dresses and When you see someone GAD choked out you it hard to? really understand that if you do

that person walked oxygen? for a little while longer it could be really bad really really bad in its very dangerous idler will yet it's true that depends a pin upon the length of these four creation of the length of the oxygen deprivation and it also depends on we enough Lee turn and internal temperature we found will merely. Can people came back from the dead? We found the inducing hypothermia me increased somebody's chances of survival. The heart is also important when blow is cut off from the heart. A heart attack can take you down pretty quickly. That's why folks can so often hit, and the time between a stroke and a time of death can be so closely together when you die. can break it into a two phases right before he died, as was called the agonal phase. The dying persons, often disoriented similar

She your he can't get comfortable and Ilsa may seem, like this person can't catch her breath, which leads so the next phase yeah the ass rattle. If you have ever heard this, you know exactly what it sounds like. If you have not. I hope you don't ever have to hear it. this is when lots of HU, it builds up on the lungs congestion causes this sound, and It's called the death rattle because I don't know, maybe there's not a better name for it. It's a horrible sound and you ve heard it. Yeah, I've, I've heard it so, as the cells in the person is dying body as they lose their connections right person. You may even see them convulse a bit, they're having some kind of Caesar muscle spasm and that other things really do want to see right it does. It does occur with

As part of the reason that I treat reports miss last words with such scepticism, because as Beautiful is as it is to think that someone makes a flowery grandiose speech, her away, one minor and then dies. Usually not how it happens. So it's like about the body after death, after the heart stopped beating the body begins to turn hold. This is known as the death chill or I'll go mortis. So for each hour the body temperature falls about point. Eighty these point, eight three degrees celsius or one and a half degrees Fahrenheit until it reaches room temperature or if outside the temperature of the environment, At the same time, the blood starts to cool and settle, and this is where we encounter the stiffening of the body known as bigger mortis, yeah meant. What is that too?

six. I know it's a whilst I too, to the six out of six hours And you know you are familiar with CSI anymore, shows that you're familiar that the real thing really weird now. I know why the body as a whole, maybe dead, they're, still some things inside the body or that are a part of a body that can it will be alive skins how, for example, can be harvested up to twenty four hours after death, but there are some other things still alive that led to this field rotation of the body as it begins to break down. Talk as it decomposes, that's that's things like bacteria.

A lot of your intestines, you know are made up of so much bacteria been right, it's primarily bacteria. I think we mention this in an earlier episode right. I think it might have been the definite couple, other ones too. It's a fascinating idea, right right that we are outnumbered in our own bodies by other living. Things were much more like our own city or Maybe your own world, if you want that, around and mistakes itself for an individual is not just a new intestines. all over and inside you. Yes, so so, for instance, when we- die. The bacteria inside you can survive these start breaking down their host. Here's a grisly fact for you, the pancreas is so full of so many different types of bacteria that a pretty much digest itself

after someone passes away like a fruit inside your body for the bacteria and these organisms work their way to other organs through body becomes discoloured. Turning green, then purple, then. Finally, black and if you can see this, you will smell, it yeah. That's because the bacteria create this full gas it's really bad and, in addition to smelling up the room or wherever it is that you into die the gas is going to cause your body to pollute who your eye will bulge out of their sockets, Tom was swell and protrude there mother, grisly facts here we can mention, but will continue to something, a little different. Let's move to a week after death a week after death,

The skin has blistered and touching it can cause it to fall off a month after death, hair nails, t generally, fall out their hair and by the way Josh. I just did an episode. Think they'll be done, don't be dumb where he mentions this. They know. I think the whole episode is based on it. The hair and nails are rumoured to grow after death, and you see my movies all over the place in writing. That is actually not true. There's no magical growth properties to these cells, merely looks like this, because your skin, is drawing out after death, and I mean. You know, as as your skin starts to dry and pulls away from your hair and from those cells. It looks as though its growing grass grown at least, the internal organs and tissues liquefied that in turn, swells the body until it burst out

Eventually then, depending upon the condition the environment and which this body is found. remains, is a skeleton and if we move from month two years, two centuries only the bones and then if we move pass that lets you in the lottery of fossilize asian you just nothing depends again on the conditions because there have been. There have been many ancient. I guess. the Jews remnants of humans found but more After all, we say that we are talking about now. we ain't ancient homo sapiens where we're talking about discoveries of pieces of skeletons yeah, I'm in it also depends on the temperature of what those or where you are humiliated year. It knows what that So that's what happens to the body, and this brings us to the more enigmatic. I would say that

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Is it consciousness? We can barely d unconsciousness much less quantify it. There have been all these reports of people dying, man at least been clinically dead, only to return minutes hours later, and these are the things that we called near death experiences or indeed ease a kind of like. Oh, do you remember that movie flat learners? Oh yes, Are you scared, the hell out of me man, adventure? of their in medical school and they're. Trying to are the- and I know, there's a bunch of doctors trying to figure out what daddy do I this is so they bring people to the brink. Let him die and then try and bring back right yeah. They elect, freeze them in due and do some kind of clinical death they shot him. right with the paddles terrifying but it turns out near death experiences at whatever they are

spoiler alert no one's quite sure yet, but their real good and there are part of our lives now. That's something that I think a lot. I me hopefully most of you have heard of, and indeed I think you probably have there That means there are phrases like my whole life flash before my eyes or go into the light or I went towards the light. But I came back. Caroline is a little different situation about right. So yeah yeah? That's that's a great thing in that everything a point out because they are part of our culture on in there decades of research in this, but man. What are these things. Are they hallucinations spiritual experiences? Are they proof of life after death, Are they just chemical changes in the brain and sensory organs right before you die? away to be a buzz killed. Then I now say so this guy,

actor. Raymond Moody coined the term near death experience in his nineteen. Seventy five book life after life and many credit Moody's, work of brain is held this whole concept. This idea of a near death experience to the public's attention right, but that's not the first time this has happened, it's just too. He is most likely want to coin a phrase. Yes, but the phrase is important because it it creates the thing right, it's no longer a concept is a thing. Right is no longer a bunch, wisely experiences, but reports to this. This is something Josh points out in his article reports of this day. As far back as Platos Republic that's pretty old. Yet three, and sixty BC, theirs story of a soldier who, killed in battle had a near death experience, describes the sole leaving his body and being judged Along with others in having woe, and then he just came back. I guess like presumably

who did he get kicked out? I don't know I don't I'm gonna have to go back and Red Plato's remotely Wilson. It's interesting. You say that, because sometimes people say that You have this conversation where they are told that they need to come back to do something is not your time. It's not your time. In fact, most her death experiences. you're sure a surprising number of common treats, but not all of them are created equal, yellow and some don't follow a pattern at all. There have been people died and say it was just dark. I felt a jump. up here you know in great immemorial or whatever, but there, but I would say I mean a lot

I do share some common things right sure, let's talk about, if you one of them is the light that we mention going towards the light. Sometimes it's this very intense, not painful, sometimes painful, but not always painful. That will fill up the room, and in all, in some cases, subjects Eli that they feel represents either there data of Heaven or what they believe to be Heaven, or maybe even god- and that's that's interesting, because you cannot have to wonder if there's a roar, shack aspect to this the roar, shack in blood wherein people or seen a little, more about their themselves than they are seen. What's on the page, oh yeah, and if you're seeing that way, I'm just assuming that what I would associate with would be probably the sun or warmth you know and something that is coming and inviting almost I would, I would probably I've never to my name

in your debt experience, but I would imagine if, if that happened to me- and I had already had a date- crazy near there will be anything goes. I wouldn't. I would be completely free and with the idea of being other worldly of some other way. The encounter than other thing, the people Port in this is fascinating, is the out of body experience or o b E. This is when someone dies, they feel that they have left there Eddie. You will hear stories about looking down and seen the surgeons completing the operation. You'll hear anecdotes of people watching their own bodies get shot pulled back in, Sometimes they feel that their spirit, their incorporeal consciousness is lifted, the room into the sky, maybe even into space, toward that intense lights. Now I point out that

in Obi may sound exciting. It is good to know that you don't have to have a near death experience to experience in our body experience. However, we don't recommend. Most of them at least on air ok. I see we're going in. Those also lets also give a note to the governor. sponsored experiences are experiments rather with out, body stuff tremendously, commercial check, out projects, STAR Gate and Swan S, W e n n. I just want to say you almost said government sponsored experience and that phrase Oh man, I'm so many things are being conjured. Would that not all the pleasant. No, so you could also you can also, if you have an anti enter to another rail- and this is strange- because I was re about this- even as a kid your people say they may most people

who say they go to some other place, go to apply. swear. They feel like US warm glowing light bathing them. Essentially, Heaven sap version of an afterlife paradise. But am I already of people have described their passage. so they do go somewhere, but they go somewhere. Terrible horrible b. Human comprehension they go to whatever is on the other side of that drop in the event horizon they go to hell very much like does. The report makes me think about whether or not what of pain. Receptors are involved with that. You know if you're, if you're still able to feel whatever has caused you to enter this state I've you can feel it intensely. Then I can imagine that you probably up in Hell, that's interesting and then again it's how much of this is

based on someone's perception because we will say that there is at this point, no universally scientifically accepted proof that these people are actually going somewhere, what you saw. What were telling you are the reports of people who survive, and they also sometimes don't go there alone. No, sometimes when you have an out of body experience, there are other things. Other beings with you, these sometimes even called beings of light. Sometimes there are representations of spiritual entities like an angel, or can and rare cases a demon, but alive for wool think that their seeing their loved ones, people who have already made it to wherever it is that they believe they are there are also reports, of course, who mentioned the tunnel that people feel they are in the tunnel with that intense light. At the end I ve also,

have reported communication. This is something that happens often where the subjects are the people over earn from this near death experience. I see that they heard a voice telling them it's not their time to go back Some also say that they were given a choice to go into the light where it may lead returned to their earthly body. and then the the last one that we're we were gonna talk about here is the idea that you see entire life right you, replay or at least major points in your life where Europe It may be, is yours, your brain firing off all these different memories really rapidly People call this the panoramic view of life. Others will see a fast. Film of the entire thing?

you know this can be it either. Lotta different ways that this has manifested some people say that it happened extremely fast. Some people say it happen really slowly and they were therefore almost another lifetime anymore. Feel that their being judged during this time? Yes, so I think it's interesting that you point out the difference here. Between and out of body experience and a near death experience, because some people simply All claim to experience he's out of body circumstances. When, there's. No death or dying or physical threat, give time for like a quick anecdote gesture. Going so mechanism go too much into personal the universe is, you have talked about it off air members of family a one sided my family, where, from his story, Do we have this? nationalism, Joe is much more rural area of members.

My family have claimed for decades. In the past they have things where They'll have dreams that later come to pass or there. I'll say that they have had out of body. Experiences or can induce them, and members of my family, some they're, trying to violate their privacy or anything but listeners. I believe it is quite possible That you know someone who feels that they have experienced this or that you yourself may have experienced something like this inexplicable thing right a negative to some interesting statistics. How many people have had something like a near experience or out of body experience. Well, according to a nineteen eighty to pull by gallop and William Proctor, they found that fist Ten percent of all Americans who had been

in a near death situation where they almost died or died, then came back had experienced an anti, so not that many people, manufacturing when minority definitely a minority, but fifteen percent. No well of that fifteen percent nine percent king said their experience. Had this out of body thing going on an eleven percent again of that fifteen percent said entered another realm or dimension an eight percent said they met spiritual being snow, in comparison to all of the people who had been these near death situations, it's a very small number. It's getting smaller, but good news on this feeble port of that fifteen percent. Only one percent reported a negative experience. but we gotta remember. These reports are nineteen, eighty two, that's that's upwards of twenty years ago, and there are other researchers who

there. You know when they, when they are studying this kind of thing, they're, usually looking at a much smaller scale in all Oh dear the statistics on chinese Argon, a very pretty widely rights so much of pulling and Wine is an art, so much appalling depends. how the question is framed and where, where you're sampling, where yours, happily right, you're asking even the time of day there were the environment there in, for instance, People who are being pulled in a busy day at the mall are a lot less likely to think in depth about their answer, the, but the point being that statistics still are not conclusive. One thing that is very interesting that the Gallup poll found there. was that religious beliefs or lack of rules his beliefs, don't appear to affect the likelihood of having a near death experience, so someone

who is very such concern themselves very religious to whatever particular religion that might be answered the consumers themselves completely navy. Is me all have a similar experiences doesn't necessarily impact. There thing: it's not just one. Particular denomination of Christian. or one particular Easter religion having these experiences its across the board and people are sure exactly what the common denominator area other than almost other than dying other than die, yeah other than dying while its It's one of the things that man this whole topic- you know talks about it a little bit earlier, but my existential dread of death brought on to me by my grandfather's nice fault, he suggests was a great thinker and he thought

Wait. You much again I no somehow another he's got me to think about it way too much and this kind of stuff thinking that all humans, all life, maybe experiences this kind of thing when it dies. I don't know why, I wonder: do you think that getting there order. Animals Think that mammals etrurians someday, I mean we know so little about animal intelligence other than with the fact that we will fully underestimated it for most of human history. I guess it just depends on what is scientifically happening to trigger whatever and what exactly is experiencing this. Now, I'm excited about this idea, because what is the new jail experience of an african Ellen or a chimpanzee aura cetacean like a dolphin know. What do they do that? swim toward a light, for instance, today

here? I don't know of loved ones. What about even cattle? As MR thing think about that. So that is true, because Harold, you have intelligence will either. way, whatever we find, should be applied to any animal with the with the, I guess, the brain structures in her brain struck. Yes, yes, because at this point scientists do not ultimately explain why some people have near death experiences and why some people- don't that's partial because these things are complex there emotionally charged and there's a lot of it. We can't really test like there's. There is not an effective dumb blind peer reviewed, methodology for whether someone actually met God gave. These are also objective reports of people who experience something on their own. Yet we can attempt, a little bit of what's called scientific speculation about that. Ok itself,

our brains, process, sensory information, No, that much. We know that what you know when I and everybody else was injured as encounters as reality is the sum of sensory information we receive filtered by our brains and with only the stuff. Our brain say a but that is look at that here with us. well. What's that smell, is that a horse solar rays, Zella- a break in, and sometimes a brain slew we'll get something a Nazi monetary conscious mind they forget about a year forget about em, stupor denizen near a you should get a sandwich mean stomach were talking Lord says. Walter inside out, as it is Ok, so that so we have these. These huge Netscape right, through all of our different sensory organs and then

We also have a very complex system of nerves and muscles that do something most of us take for granted. If your driving listeners if you're in a place where safety to do this, like you, close your eyes closed eyes, they closed Anne and listen to this, so take your right or left him and your choice and hold it out in front of you Now, move it to wherever you want to move it slow. let us make take your index finger and touch it to your nose. Not that hard hunt? Isn't it we're? We knew where our we know where our body is in space, without observing it through other things, our brain knows what our hand is doing when it's not working at the superpower we take for granted, that's? How we know where we are in space,

there really is only I take for granted the everybody takes four eggs were used to. It has something- and I do so in my favorite things is to get on my drum kit in all of the lights, are out and there's not a single source anywhere in his in the pitch black and tests to see. If I can play us all in all the way through in the complete darkness there, just by understanding where the things are in muscle memory. That is one of my hands. I fear things to do so. I just want to say that few human bodies for being able to do that. Can you do that? Can play the size in the dark? Oh yeah do that that is so interesting. That's amazing! I would love to. I would love to see slash here that I guess here it yeah yeah, you wouldn't, unless you had night vision will work on it. So That's it has another sense right. So imagine that, as dying. All of your senses are malfunctioning right. I, U peoples,

that hallucinated hallucinogens can induce some similar experiences drew near death experience so in that is the real stuff. That's happening. What your hearing, what you're feeling? What you see is faulty information may, because eggs may, because there is some sort of dramatic experience, causing a brain to shut down. So what your act we're getting from that great filter is your brain, trying to interpret curate all this information, so so some scientists have said that this neural noise for lack of a better term and overload of information create that image of a bright light they grows larger and that because you're you're special sense right is non functioning, that brain might interpret this as you moving yeah, because its losing control. It's it's. Why that is

fascinating about its ago. It's it's not conclusive proof, but it's no pretty good argument. Yeah! It's a good argument in. I can visualize it really. Well, we also there's this peaceful com sensation people report during a near death experience, and that could be a copy. mechanism with what's going on, they could be orphans. There are produced during the brain when there is some kind of trauma a lot people will experience this. This sense of strange detachment- and almost this emotion was response when you're going through some kind of dramatic and like this, whether or not is related to a near death experience- and this is much. This is the same effect this going on in your body, your your book he is trying to cope, really hard with what's going on, and it's almost like it and I saw you can't say that your brain doesn't understand, but it he's getting signal noise or you know, there's

wires or being crossed. Sure so, ok will, then how would we? How would we explain in this perspective? How will we explain those visits to have in or meeting with God. Will that step could be a lot of things that are kind of working together here. We're talking about that faulty sensory and put your oxygen deprivation you're near bring, in your body. Aren't getting that life the blood and the chemical that makes us function, and then you, de endorphins in the chemical concoction. This being released did you might create this surreal euphoria. That's happening this feels realistic to you. Maybe. But it's just happening in your mind and then later we know are tricky. Member is when the subject of this ever recalls this encounter. It goes to the filter of that since conscious mind so These are things that didn't make sense.

retroactively or color reckoned yeah. In this I am in again and as you something understandable you put your filter on that has all of your your past experiences your beliefs, all those structures that make up who you are for that Well, sir, on that thing that you went through and there you go We're talking about filters. This is something interest me to its. strange, how? If you look at the common stories of alien actions in the modern and the common stories of a fairy abductions, Kennedy it's strange, how the troops match one on one, so closely air services, another day we should like forever serve other day, but the next question is how do we explain those out of body experiences that occur? Use things like memory, somebody is dead, there's no brain activity, there's no blood flow, How did they come back and remember something again, anecdotal

spoiler project. Star was closed because they figured that it was all a bunch of malarkey, but if it is true, if somehow people do have this ability to perceive these things while they're not wilder in their body while their body is dead, while the part the brain that makes memory is closed business and then they come back and say. I remember this person saying this in a room with me: that's like driving a car down a road that doesn't exist still getting to your destination. The this thing I did things could happen just with rhetoric actively explaining stuff there's also freely compelling argument not can not conclude So by compelling argument that maybe p we're still receiving sensory information in a way that scientists have yet to pin down or to track. I can imagine some quantum stuff going on there that we just have yet to study.

Yes, and that is where we get to the big in of this episode. What is consciousness is the question we still haven't answered right job, We haven't on the show answered what is conscious as yet died. I don't think so. think anybody out. There has yet well people, they answered it today satisfaction sure which may be that's where it belongs, I mean is consciousness a thing here, wired into the service of the matter. Making up your brain like a tattoo, a longer neural net, your synopsis, or is this substance of the brain, just a radio receiver is at the end point for something like a radio wave. Is that what you is that what the consciousness is and if that is the case, where is the transmission coming from I'm pretty sure it's Georgia state

Lydia, dressed area? Eighty five, ninety Geiger Navy. I got a little bit of itself, but no, I loaded I just sitting here listening. I love. We don't have the answer, though, if eighty five is the point which is of radio station and I really enjoyed than than that, I'm happy that boy listers. We would like to hear from you whether you have had a near them experience and out of body experience, whether you We think the current scientific theories of this the hold any water, do they have sand? If so, why? If not, why not? And wherever hope, and I can say anything- wisdom is gonna- hear the sound of the Mai clicking on it Ok! Well, I know you are here, I'm here, so I was just getting oh good, so

nobody, what do you think you have you ever had and in others, a very personal question: have you ever had a out of body? experience or anything like that. No I mean the closest thing I've had early, brushes with things that one could interpret as being a sign of the afterlife? For me now happens next, but of usually when able to justify them in some way or another, but I can't help it like. remember the feeling of feeling like that was a thing, even though I was able to later can say now. This is actually what happened. Some sort of on the fence about a lot of stuff. I wouldn't say don't believe that this is possible, but I definitely do know enough to know what you mean sharing. Oh yeah occurs a couple there's one in particular where a blue girlies today in college

a good friend of ours, the pathway in a car accident, and she was gonna commonly mean between classes. Only. We hang on a car for our discussion in the area by moves one time where was called so, he would have one thing in a car and I M a sheet he was sitting in their way for me and I got there and she was really upset freaked out and though it was wrong and she can have looked at the wind shown in southern, surely sort of blue honour and the girl who died or signature was there on the inside of the windshield and it like this intense moment of like oh, my god I am experiencing this thing with Israel, like all this stuff, is really happening and then give it one more thought- and you realize you know she hadn't that long ago, and they were together a lot in the earlier like in their late teens early toys thing. A girl with do is like writer name on condensation inside the wind out of the window and am residue on your fingers that can kind of stick around and sets now explain them. But it doesn't really change the fact that at the time I felt this like

tense connection, the something we're it's weird was kind, sad to explain it away in a way, but so that was followed in in a way explaining it in that manner is a coping mechanism right, not only may, even though it's kind of a hard thing to you. Sometimes it also It's one of those things were you when you can, bring that light out of the darkness and say well. Maybe this is what it is He makes me feel better. This creates was an interesting experience, have had other moments like that, Nothing was pushed me over the edge, the yellow discount anything. I like to think that there is certainly things beyond my understanding, but I will probably understand. So I choose not to be a jerk and say it's all, bow. Yeah, I think absolutism is probably a foolish move especially consider.

The more we consider how much of human history has been. Did Remember that old story I may mention in the air about the elephant in the mice and there's yes, yeah. There's there are larger things in inhuman understanding is so heartening. Limited at this point, It seems almost arrogant to this to completely discount anything. I don't. I don't feel like it sincerely sad if there is a scientific explanation, because that shows that there is some sort of progress, but there's so much stuff that we, species are still grossly and bull of measuring, let alone understanding right like we, we to the brain and the new true that there is a lot of pseudo science and its true that there are a lot of charlatans and swindlers and things like that. But it's

so true that their a brilliant people working every day to just a little more light to the cavernous universe, I just wonder I wanna be along for the ride the unknown to see what happens ass, interesting stuff, I'm in this interesting times for sure seems like very data, is something new yet at either completely cut tax or there a whole new idea. You're thinking about things, here's a question: no, what do you guys think do you think? Maybe this is a question that presupposes a lot of stuff listener. So I understand that the load, a question are, we may be, Not supposed to know what happens after we die, or is there really just? No answer is really just that it is like, video game. Captain planet we had to play the whole thing through and you only get one life,

No, it was a really difficult video. You heard of us know how often video games gear, how why not plead that will. Let me say this in time: man, oh, no cause, I'm gonna sit down and then not get up until I beat it would shoot lake if theory something then, why? Why is there no proof? Why do people have no clue me included because the experience of what being alive is outside Of being alive as a human, so late, to separate the two so be live as a human is a thing that happens right, become alive all of a sudden out of nowhere, then You become not alive at some point it further down the line right now. What I am proposing is that. That whole experience, that is all in arcade game, in the written, Morty Universe.

that's what it is you just start doing, and then you end up your back and I want to know what I've been here. I go home and that's where the whole thing was. of your ever dramatic accident than you hear him, distance while allow it down like our aid issues, Rick Vietnam, in backing it did something slightly series. I guess I know no gay disgrace it's like. You said there were certain blinked into existence, better, whatever circumstances within somewhere along the line we develop. This entitlement were alike we deserve to know You got me through shots fired, but that is all well woody in clusters thanks so much for listening, and we hope you enjoy this again. Death is

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