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He then we are joined, as always with our super producer, Paul mission, control, deck and, most importantly, you or you you are here- and that makes this stuff they don't want. You you know another peak behind the curtain. This is the first time in quite a while that the whole crew- has been together in the same studio in and other people in the current Matt said his name originally kind of in an odd cadence, and I made him start over and corrected, and then I copied said odd cadence in my sign on so I'm I'm a jerk, that's so brown town of you so brownish. So one note and brown so have you has been doing a great Ben, I hope, you're doing well to you. You were on the biggest adventures. We recorded one episode since you ve returned and we know the one thing we haven't actually addressed yet together as a team with that is our time out. No eight. What we will we to do with Mr Dan Harmon. That's true.

We did mention this in previous episodes. We wanted to be transparent, of course, given the kind of show that we do here and why you know we. I can't believe We actually did it. We went on harm in town and then we also had Dan over on an episode, stuff. They don't want you to know which, by the time this recording comes out should be available now right, yelling and I just have to say it was incredible based We starting a conversation on Harmon town on stage, then genuine it onto our show, where we just kind of kept talking more in more depth about the same things receiving the chapter of the conversation that you were not privy to, that was sort of in the dressing room and between the show were before the show than after show, and then we did our show and then we can do the conversation even still at a little diver. In Hollywood, called the frolic room, which there were the institution The whole thing was kind of and and delay

in many many ways this. We we hope you enjoy the episode it as your or listening to it. It was a delight for us. So it's a weird. It is is definitely a weird went in to your point. Nor am. I am also wondering how coherence the conversation will be given that several hours of what was essentially to day episode right, as will not see the light of day, not dimension. We just now got the preview of that are in real time. We now got the preview that episode to listen to me. Listen to me for publishing. I think we're all a little bit on the edge for seeds wondering what is actually going to sound like you. Are there in part gasoline already know: will you you're going to get the refined product here? We are in a situation that some english teachers would refer to his dramatic. Ronnie, because you, the audience, knew something that we do not sure. So, let's hope, let's hope it's let's hope it's good one way or the other it's done, and I don't think without we ve heard the last of of Harmon

I mean obviously not cause he's gonna make tons of new shows. He might be on this issue again in the future. So we hope you like it today. We are talking about something much less, ass, much less enjoyable right, well, actually, This could be quite enjoyable because it's possible ways to cure Are ourselves of things our body is fighting against. That's right! That's True, we do have to say at the top of today, show that nothing. We say in this show, and none of the sources we quote should be taken as medical advice, you speak to you courier jp, you ever you ve got if you want learn more about any this stuff and if you get scared, dont hop on web, indeed make an appointment. Go to a doctor, never happen with empty guys. Never wear

indeed its cancer, that is, that the new that's their tagline literally, it's like it's like one of those flowcharts that always ends in cancer near and today. Exploring one of the most sensitive subjects in human experience, health and, of course, its ever present shadowy in salt death after you're going to say, wellness. Well, that's good, but they all and so far the Every single study that has ever been conducted on the subject has found that life is a terminal condition with a one hundred percent rate of death, fatality rate and for the past few thousands of is our species has made honestly extraordinary strides in the field of medicine, I'm not the most optimistic person, but even can admit that it was not an easy process. However, there is here one anecdote that can was how difficult medical progresses

have you heard of, ignores Samuel vice, yes, yeah? I think we ve mentioned him before on the show they just in passing now he's were made favorite illustrations of someone who was called crazy. I was right all along, however, we ve been in this situation, but no one has died of result of as a result, people not leaving us hopefully ignore us similar vice what is rapidly ridiculed for the cockamamie notion that hey maybe before doctors assist, assist in childbirth. They should wash their hands yeah, wash just wash your hands well. It wasn't taken well, because a lot of people that he speaking too were as essentially just offended at the thought of you believe my hands to be dirty and to where I will in fact others just by not cleansing them prior to delivering

Maybe I am a gentleman sir. You have violated. My dignity Well, I mean, and then that kind of thinking we have to remember still exists within the realms of things that are just outside of what is accepted was a product of elite as Anti riot saying. How dare you accuse me of being unclean? For I, I'm at a higher station than you, sir. You now exactly like the disease is clearly come from the peasant class, when all doctors are considered more patrician. It so strange because similar vice, was correct, tons people, didn't believe I'm, even though we had studies that proved he was correct and his bedside manner was also terrible. If you were d and character, charisma was his dumps tat lake. He was not good at talking. With people in a civil manner because he knew he was. Writing was angry about it, and this just exacerbated,

the situation, the academy turned on him eventually assemble vice ends up in an asylum at the age of forty seven and eventually, ironically, he dies of sepsis infection. The blood- and this too, Pressing anecdote gives us a window into human nature. Also, thank you so much similar vice for in such a huge part in us being alive to make the shoe? Today? We see we see some damning things about human psychology in this tale, and we also listen illuminating things about our collective approached the medicine, and we fast forward to twenty nine. We ve, made a lot of hard won medical progress, but some diseases remain functionally incurable. Here in the U S: two of the biggest killers are heart disease, which is treatable,

new. In number ways and of course, the big seaward cancer doctors, as you listen to this, are literally working day in and day out around the clock to discover new treatments, early detection methods and more but here's the thing. Fellow conspiracy, realist. Some people will tell you that there is a cure for some or all cancers and that it has been around for much longer than you think, but to figure out the answer to that question, we have to start at the beginning. So here are the facts. What is cancer might be asking yourself first outlets

bust. A few minutes about the term cancer which actually describes more than a hundred separate diseases, not all of which are created equal a, but they are all characterized by an abnormal and unregulated growth of cells in this growth, actually destroy the surrounding tissue and spread to other parts of the body through a process called metastasis and kudos for correctly pronounce at first tried stasis down stuff. For me, I can see metastasize but having to how do you pronounced in metastasis metastasis, also like meadow stasis, yet another thing entirely their yeah, it's like matter not moving in the right. It's not movie on several levels. You re in a deep way, then you have a really great.

LG, I think, for I will way to wrap your head around this idea. Don't you I told man, I hope it's at least serviceable, it's that felt like a good idea at like three in the morning. So when we hear cancer, just like you said no, we are often we're often taught to think that cancer is itself a specific disease but that's not the case, as you said there more than a hundred different diseases that fit the classification of cancer. So when we hear the word cancer we should think of, It should be like hearing the were clothing because Club in describes a group of things that I have a couple broad conditions in common, but they also specialise right. So you have hats for your head. We have gloves

just for your hands and on and on and on and like articles of clothing cancers specialise in different parts of your body. You wouldn't where a hat on your foot and you wouldn't have breast cancer in your prostate right. These are different things. So when we look at the most common forms of cancer, at least you're in the U S, we run into our first terrible laundry list, of which there are few in today's episode: their skin cancer, lung cancer, brain cancer, breast cancer, prostate cancer, colon cancer, ovarian cancer, leukemia and lymphoma yeah, I'm really well we're getting out of here. Is cancer can develop in any part of the human body, and it's not one of those things that you have to be a certain age where you know maybe cancer will develop if it becomes more likely, sometimes depending on your life choices, but it really

can develop cancer at any age, and unlike something like AIDS or the flu, something infectious lid see tuberculosis. You can't catch cancer from somebody else. Forum from being around them is not contagious in it in any way, and generally cancers are caused by damage that occur at the genetic level inside a cell right and that's how you get the the single cell that becomes rogue and then begins, multiplying and then infecting the other cells through metastasis I mean it really is a it's a scary. Because it's like one tiny, less than microscopic part of you that rebelled against the programming and then can kill you, and this is interesting. As aside know, there is a provable,

he just cancer. It does not occur in humans. It occurs in Tasmanian Devils its Though devil facial, tumor disease cheese. I've heard of that. Actually, strangely I must have seen some kind of many doc about it or something yes, relatively recent in the literature it was first described in nineteen, ninety six, but it just ran through the population test, in Devils? Luckily there's nothing like that that we know of were human so far, and why is that a very lucky thing? Let's because cans, is one of the leading causes of death worldwide. Already back in two thousand twelve, there were four ten point, one million new cases, an eight point, two million- cancer related deaths across the world. Literally millions of people are dying every year and we have. We have some sobering stats for the. U S specifically

I am not as according to cancer dot Gov, which estimates that one million seven hundred and thirty five thousand three hundred and fifty new cases of cancer were diagnosed in the US in twenty eighteen and six hundred and nine thousand six hundred and forty people died from the disease, the most common cancers and which are listed here in descending order. According to estimate cases and twenty teen are breast cancer, lung and broadcasts cancer, prostate cancer, colon rectum cancer, melanoma of the skin bladder cancer, Non Hodgkin's, lymphoma, kidney and renal pelvis cancer, and then we have indeed meet real cancer, leukemia pancreatic cancer thyroid cancer and last but not least liver. Answer. But there is good news. Thankfully, we were also going out of our way to point out moments of good news story. There must be silver lining here

will. The good news is that the cancer rates have actually draft about twenty seven percent over the last twenty five years. I mean that's, that's fantastic and I think you know, without into deep into a right now it has to do with just the amount of money and effort, that's being spent on on trying to find a cure. Though the problem is again that we can discuss before it's, not one thing you can't just throw money at a team of researchers to look at cancer, big see cancer. You have to study each individual part of the body and each individual cancer, but again death rates. Twenty seven percent. It translates to about one and a half percent per year and more than two point, six million deaths avoided between one thousand eight hundred one in twenty. Sixteen and honestly go cheap yeah. That's that

a tremendous improvement right now here at the end of twenty nineteen experts, expect a total of one million. Seven hundred and sixty two thousand former fifty new cancer cases and six hundred and six in eight hundred and eighty deaths from cancer accounts related causes. This. This means that, although rates are dropping, people are still dying, and everyone is aware of this everyone is aware of this. We know that people are searching continually for a cure. According to researchers like K, L Black, The cure for cancer is more a matter of when Rob than a matter of if because, according to blacken their colleagues, There's been this explosive progress in our understanding of cancer. You know reducing

moving rates that has a huge impact on cancer rates, bureau, early detection methods or a godsend for people who believe in God and Black, says that since we're since we're in an inevitable situation where will find a cure for some cancers. It really becomes a question of how much we want to prime the pump black holes were increased research funding into all aspects of cancer research and says it needs to be at least twice the current levels of funding. But the tragic problem here simply put is this: for many people curing cancer in twenty thirty or even two thousand and twenty five? Isn't it that's not coming

enough. The clock is already taking on their lives and there's a deeper conspiracy there that we will get into about who benefits from cancer not being cured Libano rape and that that, of course, Assumes that the mainstream narrative narrative is true that there is sincere ardent research in in treating incurring this this type of disease, and it may just not come soon enough, unless that is the key, were for cancer, already exist and will learn about that run. After word, from our sponsor.

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for some or all cancers and actively suppress this treatment. In order to boost their profits, we ve heard this in a number of times when it comes to the farm images in terms of cures, for kind of diseases or alternative medications. Why the pharmaceutical lobby fights marijuana legalization so much I mean he knows no proof, but the proof is in the pudding. It seems pretty clear. That's the key! yeah and these conspiratorial claims. I love you point that out, because these claims typically follow the same rough pattern, not just for cancer, but for things like HIV or AIDS, the ideas that someone somewhere has invented were discovered a cure for cancer or a treatment that has a very high efficacy rate right and this cure whether it be a simple one, undone pill or a series of treatments. Herbal Remo and so on this cure.

No one to big pharma capital, be capital p, but releasing to the poor. In this cabal, Xyz is less profitable than letting people slowly die or charging them for a subscription service, you're, a couple things we could unpack here. Let's, let's pause. For second note: twenty seven: twenty seven percent, you said twenty seven percent of people polled that's almost one out of three: U S! Residence believe that there is a cure has been repressed. That puts this on the level of some of the great widely believed conspiracies in the lower right. The moon, landing J F K assassination. Can we just talk about it, but that Serbia was from two thousand six, which is almost I don't know. We would call that from an internet standpoint, but to thousands

it was like that era where I don't know I infer nation was really being put out there. I think back to the house. The forts works website where there are so many people trying to put out so much information in just fill the internet and in fill in all the spaces. They could possibly be sir four, and it makes me wonder if that has anything to do with that twenty seven percent number- ah I see yeah, maybe maybe we were still as a country sharpening our critical thinking, skills right. If it, there when I see- but perhaps I am incorrect will there's also is also the case Helen argument that from a capital listing stance, you're putting yourself out of business if you ever actually cure disease right, that's one of the

commonly cited things unless you control the one you're so, but will eventually take a once re, whereas you now being prescribed. Medication is like a life sentence of of cash flow yeah, and this this gibes stuff that we know about the economy in general, which is that for. More than a decade. U S business, just have been moving away from ownership models towards subscription models. In what I mean, I- and this is reflected across the board whether you're talking about automobiles, whether you're talking about medicine, whether you're talking about eating even closely right- the ink in your printer, the issue, the ink in Europe, that's an city limits on masquerading behind this, this facade of convenience. When it's really- the matter of getting you on the hook and you think oh, it's not that much per month

But then you added up and then you may be compared to how much actual benefits you get from it and you really just fondling money into these corporations. Pockets are these stars start ups or whatever perpetuity perpetrator until your card gets can't exactly like eloquent Adobe wit, entirely to a model, we're very lucky we'd, get access to those products through work yeah, but If someone just once Photoshop, you can we can and must show our work. You can buy Photoshop anymore. To my knowledge, you gotta pay that ten twelve bucks a month, then you that, with your hulu, add that with you Netflix add that with your prescription, drugs or you know what you're out of pocket a whole lot every month and you don't own a damn thing. That's these the strangers by know I'm using strong language there, but this suppressed cure this palliative thing this panacea could be described as any number of substances or treatments, and now

all of the conspiratorial claims agree on what the cure might actually be there. A couple categories there natural or alternative treatments that could be stuff like aroma, therapy right or herbalists, stick regiments and then there's homeopathy or re even unto Show healing rights, you know what I mean: the idea that diseases as much a product- mind as it is of the body, and there are some interesting studies that shoe ones cognitive it can have an effect on recuperation from physical trauma o absolute. The one that leads into every one of these types of treatments way when you get to a Roma therapy or something or one of these largest categories that exists in here, which is what you put into your body, diet based solutions. There are things like the brow diet, the Hallelujah Diet, several there's we're gonna get into one at the end of this episode. That's right! That's out there right now that I'm

There are a lot of people following that believe it's going to cure them. And I love the name- the Hallelujah Diet. I had not heard of it before he began researching for this. Just, for example, this is a pretty restrictive diet that purports to be biblical is based on raw food, and the inventor of the holy Diet is doing that. Not only am I the president. I am also a member church anything because the inventor claim secured his own cancer a lot of those our vision based or I guess, specific thing that you have to eat or rift refrain from eating to get your body back in some position of- and I was gonna say stasis, but that's not correct. Just there's harmony to get harmony back within your body in all the cells many stasis Medicis their reach out the best kind of stuff yes, I do I do now. I walked down back the way I let them

I like it, so we We see that we see the diet can be a compelling treatment of some sort, because we know that a vague and diet will tend to be better for you than a very heavy red meat diet right as long as you're an adult universal, developing, etc when it got yeah exactly when it comes to certain things. In a certain point in your life and there also electromagnetic or energy based cures shout out to organ energy, which is still fascinating to me? A boy Wilhelm, MR rack himself, Doktor Reich he's a doctor of sorts. Easier to be a doctor in those days cloud, Doktor Cloud doctor I love it. We talked about who asked I was so when you are here. We talked about cloudburst and daddy. Dewey, I'm having a weird deja vu moment right here out of Gaza because of a paper song. There was about Wilhelm Reich and his reign machine.

No, no cloud busted, the cloud bustard organ Energy, which is fast name, please, if you haven't, if you haven't heard of this before, do check our audio and video episodes on organ and and the strange interaction the villain Reich had with the FDA. I think at some point So there are also hybrid regiments. Nightcap ensure more treatments from the categories that we just mention. This belief that big format is suppressed. In a cured to one or more cancers is very common in it finds fertile soil in the current Zeit. Guys in the current social climate because distrust the pharmaceutical companies runs pretty high, now and- I would argue rightly so, especially given the opium a crisis in the- U S which swept through various regions of the country like a natural disaster and continues to do so yet ending add to that the? U S is key.

Tunisia Lehigh like ridiculously high drug cost, when compared to literally every other developed nation, every single one and I know literally, is a word that gets over used. So often these days, just like awesome re. But in this case yes literally, every other developed nation is going to have better dry prices. So even without hard proof of conspiracy- this case there are a lot of people who, understandably, will hear about the concept of any sort of suppressed medicine or treatment, and, at the very least Even if the not a hundred percent on board with the idea, they'll think a liar, I will pass them on. I mean you, don't sound like the kind of squarely they be into ok, baby. Here's the deal a lot of times. The villain in these stories is big farmer, with a b and PETE another.

Villain, BP, now really will and very familiar whatever just depends on it above all the movement of singers, the the pharmaceutical companies. Farmer could not get away this alone. They would need to have some cronies there within some people who could get some other thing done. They need help from you know the nonprofit sector out that take in hundreds of dollars, if not millions of dollars, government agencies and other independent researchers who are going through in either. Pressing the research, that's out there or covering up various aspects of certain diets or cures leg. Is it? Do you guys think It is in any way possible that all of these different groups could be cooperating, so that lets say us. Eight million people worldwide die each and every year with him an aim in some sort of massive cover up conspiracy, The hegemonic situation will ultimately get it. If so,

walking through this hypothetically Riah citizens. Different institutions would have to work together, pretty well right, and they would have We have some sort of America, some sort of brilliantly watertight agreement, and You know that number is true if they are actively scheming to some sort of plan that results in eight million people die every year. This comes very close to being in a case of medical genocide. Let's be real for a second. What do you think the chances are service is actually the case, I you know, I mean a saving for the end of our own. If only I mean to save it for the ends, because just with that peace, just hypothetically, that's a lot of cooperate, you know I mean we ve been talking about this a lot more lately since that the harm and thing when

Whitley. When can you smell a conspiracy, there's probably doesn't saints, has some sand is usually when that level of cooperation benefits all parties. Only then are people most likely to keep your mouth shut when the cover up. Active and be now necessary to continue to enrich, said parties or renown. Keep them from getting caught in some kind of collective lie: yeah and it won't you'll pre Epstein. I would have been much worse to go about some of these things. In this case, however, there is a big elephant in the room, which is, let's say it's true, MRS hypothetically say is true: what happens when one of the conspirators is diagnosed with cancer when I mean do they say well for the good of the cause you ve gotta continue on the stage for body. We can't let people know yeah,

It's weird, I mean ok, so we did that. That survey right from which two thousand citizens will in two thousand and two was a guy named TED Ganz Learning, comes to us from one of our colleagues, author Dave Roofs riding over for house of works. Ted Ganz at the time was strategic director for pathology research with the american cancer society. He edits cancer journal for clinicians disguises bona fides ripe. He heard this hidden cure the suppressed cure for cancer story so often that in two thousand to he conducted a survey about the most common misconceptions, of cancer, and in this he asked about one thousand Americans. If they believed there was a conspiracy to hide a cure for cancer according to cancel,

the result was even more shocking than he had expected. He found in Genesis two thousand and two that not only did twenty seven point. Three percent of the people polled believe that there was a cure for cancer peeing repressed, but another fourteen percent said now. It seems like something they would do thou. Maybe that's really crazy. And again this is kind of what we ve been talking about. Here is another version of this conspiracy. Theory or another aspect, to add is that that thing

that somebody somewhere has a cancer cure and its being kept secret for one reason or another well, but to your question, then a mania for staying in the realm of hypotheticals and thought experiments. If, if one of the members of this conspiracy were diagnosed wooden by virtue of being in the inner circle, they'd get the cure and they would just keep it quiet and they never come out. The fact that this person was diagnosed, who just be business as usual, is not sort of the the argument we make with the super elite that potentially possess technology is beyond the reach of us, mere mortals, like life extension technology legally there's. No, how would work hypothetically, hypothetically ebbed We also have to wonder how to explain the deaths of people who were billion. Mayors who expired due to cancer cancer related causes is that part of the cover up to do. They really die of something else, and they said: okay, colic cancer, so that the peasants don't know we have the cure when their presumably living on a billionaire island somewhere else.

Is. It is Warren Buffett like the only billionaire who has a modest ranch style home. He seems like he likes to keep it relatively on ostentatious. For the most part, he spends his money in smart ways and not in the show me ways. That's a good question. I ve. Let us know if you know a modest billionaire who can help a looming Our investigation into the idea of a suppressed cancer cure and maybe pump millions, if not billions, into cancer research right like. Oh you like great example. David Cook died of cancer right. So here's here's another with the story not only do about one one in three Americans believe that there's something fishy, here, but there are multiple, numerous groups, individuals in institutions who claim

Not only is there a suppressed secure but that they have discovered this cure or a cure, we could do and entire series on the various claims involved, but let's take a break for from our sponsor and then we'll come back and will look at a couple of It's called a notable highlights: hey guys, it's Jack, O Brien, CO, founder of crack dot com and I host a twice daily news and culture podcast with the phone his person. I know miles gray. What is it? What an owner always tell you how much more about how hilarious I've don't tell them about my background in politics as a political operative or anything like that, just keep going on about the fun I wasn't going to. Ok, that's guys! You can come get caught up on what is happening without feeling the life train out of your soul at the dailies, Ike Iced, you find us

I heard radio, app apple pie CAS or wherever fine pike Ass, her given away for free, you guys. I have gathered myths. I've put this first one here, just because I The guy's name is awesome. All of his claims aside, the name royal rife. Not an amazing, nay, drastically good name so good between a news anchor and a porn star. Perhaps perhaps yeah you know it's it's. One of those names I would use is a different persona. You know, and Lincoln Airport or a strange city Royal Raymond Rife

call me Roy Royal Irene. Lily royal, I know, is from the fictional real time bombs. His name was royal mail characterised by Jean, had never met, and there were not a person embroil before well. You know the future looms vast and welcoming before us in the horizon of time. Russia's towards us, No, I think it's welcoming. I find it quite foreboding, I'm you know, I'm I'm trying to manifest the secret and even if I don't believe in it for secrecy the one from the book, the subsequent feel meditation, I gotta think positive. Well, royal rife certainly was thinking positive when he developed a beam, RE, Hudson, quotations Beam Ray: what is it a beam array, its name right? It's a beam ray, it's not

in its you know a tool to be used to cure certain diseases, if aimed cargo in the right place and used correctly, and one of those things that he thought he could cure was cancer and the way it's done is through vibrating, the cancer cells vibration. Essentially, the means by which royal rife believed his beam re could cure cancer. Yet he built on the work of the following in Doktor Albert Abrams, Abrams thought that every single disease, the heading dig electro magnetic frequency, and these men believe that, because of that, doctors could kill or treat diseased or cancer cells by sending an electrical impulse identical to that sells electromagnetic frequency. This you ve heard of this before if your longtime listener to show this is sometimes called radiologists are a d I o n. I see ass if

it's an fascinating concept right, do if could isolate just the bad cells and then take those out there's a very similar and an ethical forenoon direction. I believe we are similarly debunked technology that was using forensics called for the night but used radioactive isotopes to identify materials and lead in bullets, and the concept was that they all had these distinctly unique signatures per. Pacific bullet, but it turns out that wasn't the case at all. I'd be like the equivalent of picking up a conch shell and saying this. Is you know this is a unique conch shell that would actually have a similar signature to like every other conch shell that ever existed. So they were folks that were put into prison for a very long time using the technology, and then it was debunked in the but were subsequently release mile, but couldn't get their lives back. Also do so. We know that rife SAM

or to some advice was certain The academy turned on him right and he thought I embrace, in this pioneering cure to the world. I dont want to make a ton of money. It's not about money. It's about saving lives, There was a San Diego evening Tribune article that came out about rife in nineteen thirty, eight, and in this he's it's interesting here Stop short of, saying I can cure cancer, but he says can t vitalized Disease organisms in living tissue with certain exceptions, sounds like pr to me yesterday, like I'm, not I'm not saying this as a panacea for everything, but the problem with his be marine similar to the problem with a lot of radio ex experiments in a lot of organ experiments was that people said it could not be independently replicated and independent researchers, then, throughout the night

50s discredited rife. You can see his obituary in the daily Californian when he passed away at the age of eighty three on August fifth, one thousand nine hundred and seventy one according to the daily californian rife, died, penniless and convinced that Nor was there is something rotten, a foot in the academy and published in the much maligned disgraced column in the obituaries that damn well, whatever happened to the disgraced column, unknown people does not pc anymore yeah yeah, I'm drinking, obviously, but it does seem like guy. They don't say things like that in people's obituaries anymore, no, they don't even say like suicide. They don't say anything about Gaza, dad it's all just the broad strokes of who there be no, let they left behind the knowledge, which is fine, sure make immediate do your homework a little more back in the days when the fact everything but mounted by the dish from their obituary yeah

a certain amount, a schadenfreude and some others earlier ones, I think to better or worse today. What do you think obits? in general, I am they better and a no, no, I mean to say worse nope, I'm gonna, say neutral, I would see erratic unequal here's the deal? Almost all obituaries are now written ahead of time. Unless it's you know, if it's a person of note, there's, probably no bit in one at least one major newspaper, if you are a person of note red I share your yeah exactly and then some that will be added to it. So, I would say, is probably more accurate, Moby omission, you're, probably more accurate for at least people, if of whatever state, doing. Whatever metric we wanted more polished near the final pr statement, I made him them updated. Jimmy Carter's, o bet on vile the boy every time that poor guy takes a fall. There is an editor in Chief somewhere who like looks at the usb I've or their dropbox or

and you know in my head would what this editor does. Is they? They have an alert whenever of former President Carter is injured or something, and then they looked down at their at at the lake. The bottom third drawer in there, of course, in their wooden news desk and they open up autumn George just a little bit, and then they pull out the pull out the one sheet for the open, weary and they read through it to see if they need to make any changes. Sprawly like a mad Libby blank space right where they put what actually happened here and then they just put it on their desk and they wait to see what happens in the next thing. You know next, Signor Jimmy is back building houses with habitat for humanity with

a sigh of relief, the editor in chief, takes at one. She they put it back in that third drawer, and then they pull out the Chinese put on there and they just hope of who do incantation right. It's me it's true that its true that this, or between does not seem particularly forgiving arrives case. He did blame, the lack of recognition on an actual conspiracy. He said the aim the American Medical Association, the Department of Public Health and other elements, he called organised. Medicine you're like a nice, does oil with organised crime. He said they had intimidated his colleagues, and so he died seeing himself as a new Samuel vice, who is destined to be posthumously, acknowledged for his work. Well, I you know, I love that we brought it back to symbolise already, because that is, there is a feeling I, no matter,

no matter what, where the truth lies with a lot of these people were going to be talking about in these cures likely said before, but he believes there a villain right. I think a lot of these people probably believed so deeply in their own version of a cure that is almost may be, eaten again, no matter if it works were or not there. Magical thinking happening. I want to say me in your own belief for their of cure, yeah, yeah yeah. That's that's a fair points a lot of people might wanna hear right is especially when the sun cost of spending your entire life, entire professional life, try pursue this in in what is a noble way we can say royal rife at the very least, was not as some kind of Flim flam man. He genuinely believe to do his duty,

there there's another example LEO: let's go away from a person for a second and let's look at an actual substance is thing called Le Trill, which was widely sold as a cure for cancer into was banned by the FDA, when something is banned by the FDA gives a lot of you. To the fire for people who believe and suppress medicine, because then you can say the FDA banned it not because didn't work, because it was working yeah and the reason for this ban was that there had been extensive clinical trials in the seventies and throughout the eighties. That proved it had zero effect on cancer whatsoever, except the delightful side effect of giving cyanide poisoning to folks who attempted this. This remedy that profit proved to be fatal

so good on. You have to aim for taking poison off the market for doing your job and waited go, but you can still find today. That's the thing about the sub since its not sold under that name, it's sometimes called and Magdalen or vitamin be seventeen. That sounds like a really intensified him as a high class sophistical, if I'd have absolutely migdol in his fun yeah. Oh yeah, like the amygdala, I don't know why I know me Louis, is different from the modus operandi, but I always think about that, and I always imagine the professor from water boy. We also learn about those pieces of the brain and usually in the same day in school there. I think that the eye so funny story about vitamin, be seventeen there's. No such thing. Oh it is not a fight would be. Seventy Emily bees are their sixteen norms.

Well. In other words, these wealth is at the maximum evaluates maximum bleed happening, impacts, easy to be released, be finally policy. There be one b to be three Stephanie, be six be twelve. I shall I would now have gathered Bueller you're out no funny thing is, is not completely safe. Joe over others. There's eight right you, be one b to be three then no before now is to fund, is only because they can't load a basic suited bias and b, seven full eight, and then we got no be aid was as too funny thing. I think so I think before Ba urges to write benign and though we goes all the way to twelve shoot up to twelve, be ninety nine finding. That would be good. Maybe that should have been the one. The cure cancer riding renders cancer benign, and we ve got here too late

You know what I mean at least for the naming conventions. We really could have done some good with that. Could a white boarded the heck out of this man, a man, but the problem is Brian Dunning writes a fairly good summation. This over at Skeptoid is that this b seventeen case is one of the only cases we can find her product being banned or suppress. However, you want to describe it by FDA by Big Pharma and that's because the product did have toxic effects on people. So that's a that's. A real piece of a cancer treatment being pulled from the market. It was not pulled from the market. The story goes because it was in any way effective, a tree in cancer. It was just it was more effective at giving people. Cyanide poisoning they go mean? What was the cyanide content of this of this drug one,

in twelve percent man, they should know they're always trying to find new uses for cyanide is going. It's a bad rap gets the same, I was the original corn re anything as corn in it now and I used to be cited. Let's go. Let's go back to care, U K organ, yes, yes, I psychasthenic Jonathan Davis, replace the Bagpipes and has white boy dreads like working with him a little bit like in a weird tertiary way. Oh cool he gets home is no, but he's rains music vertically. Oh nice man and congratulated us. It's weird. It's just like that who does the baselines is still there. If you read the newspapers, I always played his base leg pointing directly. Get shallow very slippery sloppy. So

there's another guy? Who is not a member of corn is name is Stanislaw Brzezinski. I would of course there was a guy coordinated Stanislav you got feel the head monkey, Jonathan Davis, Stanislav Brzezinski, scale Guy has a story. I think I've missed before, but I had a cousin out in Texas who was working with Stanislav furs, get Brzezinski like directly with the foundation. Grant. Now, in some kind of respect, both She wanted us actually to doing episode on this, but I kind of turned it down because she was adamant and I dont know our position today, but very adamant that Stanislav did have the cure. Yeah there's documentary about Brzezinski called the cancer cover up, which is available for free on Youtube, does nothing,

where's meant. But if you want to learn more about the story, I would check that out. With the knowledge that the, if you can tell from the title the dyke marries very much of the opinion that Brzezinski is, is actually treating cancer with success. I e surfaces in the late nineteenth sixtys when he proposes that there is a naturally occurring continuously functioning biochemical system in the body that is different and distinct from the immune system, and that this other system can correct cancer cells by means of special chemicals that reprogram these cells. And this leads him to create what is known as the present scheme clinic yeah cells, that, in particular, as we have discussed already, the cancer cells that some he's gone haywire within their genetics and they are just reproducing and in in the

in weird ways and yet reproducing basically, this stuff would stop that turn back into regular cells. So the clinic itself, that is, it, is called the presence he cleared. It was founded in seventy six and it is in Texas. We're just gonna goes along with my my cousin. Storing per why she got interested in the first place in his best known for this controversial therapy, known as anti neo plastic Zella, weird anti neo plasticine and it was developed, I Brzezinski in the nineteen seventies. Now this is his term anti neo plastic, for this group of now get this urine derived. Peptides. Ok

peptide derivatives as well as mixtures that Brzezinski named to use in his cancer treatment, so that those are the the substances the chemicals that would get pumped into you. If you are undergoing treatment and the clinic has been the focus of some ongoing criticism, mainly because of the way this anti neo plastic therapy is promoted, also because of the cost for the people with cancer participating in trials. And then, of course, there are some other medical professionals will check to the way in which the trials are run their most been legal cases brought as a result of the sale of this therapy because it doesn't have a didn't, have approval from the Texas State Board there

so a lot of allegations that the numbers are being manipulated about successful cases survivors how long what side effects there could be. There's a lot of. I mean it's. What we there's a lot of controversy out there about this? and it certainly worth your time to look into if you're interested in this kind of thing then, we're not trying to make anyone

leave in or not believe in any of these things is just Canna, given you what we found- and it's important to note- examples like this. This is just one of many examples, but it is important to note this one in particular, because it is an ongoing case. No, I mean it's not something from the eighteen, hundreds or the nineteen thirty's. If you go to the website, quack watch dot org. You can read a whole bunch of bout, Stanislav Bert Brzezinski, and treatments in what is supposed to be happening. The claims there there have been several published clinical studies that you can actually read parts of in there. We would highly recommended Absolutely there is one other example. Then we have to hit today because many of our fellow listeners rode into us recently about this case in this case- comes to us through a through strange

Avenue. What's the story of a man born Alfredo daring to Bowman, but perhaps better known to day, as doctors semi, I dont know guys. I don't know why, but my my cadence keeps falling into this odd. Sirloin thing did I just was about to say I was here. I do us says Doktor said Serbia has been my dream either guy you already. Are you not savvy? You are him boil tell us about. We actually had a very interesting. Funny was deja vu for me. At this point, man now arrived from L a acts to our hotel last trip. We ought to delay. We got into the conversation. Why were there, and so we have this conspiracy. Open minded man. The critical thinking approached conspiracy theories. Pod gas is how we tend to phrase it and he asked if we had heard of doktor. Heavy and he seemed to really stand behind him. Very John. I actually funny. Huh

similar accommodated with another lift driver that years ago, and he was like preaching the gossip of semi. To me, when I heard of the guy at all, but now I know a little bit about what do you think talking about a right now, because that, because that right, buddy So no one will tell us a little bit about. Doctors have absolutely its comes from flying dot com article it describes doktor savvy as the gentlemen who claim that his diet could cure everything from a The sickle Sellen Mimi leukemia, I'm Lupus, but are you suit and ninety ninety three and was ordered to stop making these claims but that is not the first time he had to go to court with with these kinds of things, but that ten. Only three one is important again because he had to stop saying those things he absolutely had to stop. He was he was required by law to cease promotion of his design.

It is literally what we would call, maybe a fad diet, for all intents and purposes involving things like vegetables, fruit, grains, not seeds, oils and herbs things that he would particularly curious animal products Big, no, no and semi basically promote while he promoting of Egon Diet. Yes, ride. Along with urban, like some supplemental or some herbal supplements and some others element, I would say that the it's another, they weren't allowed to continue promoting it you know or using. Diet or selling dismantling yourselves chemicals claims in order to promote its right. Yes, yes, yes, since so the Alex Jones get in trouble for, I believe with the border on the ban, broth and all that stuff. I don't think he's allowed to say some of the things that he wants.

Said in terms of how those things can you now prevent you from getting irradiated or whatever the apocalypse here's. What in my opinion, one of the reasons why doktor sexual so successful in its because the the methodology about why these supplements and why this diet worked with It feels really simple and if you anybody you can hear someone described this and say: ok, yeah! I could get that. I could get behind that in the whole concept. Is that all illness within the human body comes from high levels of acidity, which then rest lt in mucus production. In the Lucas, depending on what part of the body is ill. Let's see you ve got a bum elbow or something I got some arthritis in their doctors. Debbie's belief is that there's mucus, build up in their from high acidity and his diet is going to be alkaline and reduce the acidity and basically get Europe. Back in harmony and

Your mucus will go away in your illness. I ve been away my limit as assent we familiar to them. The mediaeval Gary of Human rights and an flam and new guile, while I was there was. It was all related to the balance of these bodily fluids, right that it certainly comes from an older belief system. It does come from an older belief system, but so does the medieval belief in humours idea the winkie Melancholic rated never create book. On that. As ever, and never might never. My I'm gonna, I'm gonna go back and read it. The illustrations, great desire now ok, I'll bring it in. This is also back when one of the four fronts of european medicine was to have people peed in in class or transparent beakers, and then to hold the urine up to the light and stay in a guess it. What was wrong with the person

based on the interpretations of the Euro. To like a wine tasting reuse. Swishing around there was some sniffing for sure yeah. There was some sniffing member, when I dont surrounding as amended, and I dont know how widespread asparagus was. We do you know it's just not yet he rail, but that will not everyone, not everyone's p, will smell funny when they asparagus it's true. It's gonna take this line. Think or is it that you can't smell it, so I say not every could smell it. I don't know, look size out all now and let us know evokes, let us keep it better. I heard there are several people of listening to the show for years wondering where we were going to finally address the elephant in the room of asparagus in you and so area folks. That's we finally round to Asia. There's a brain stuff about that. I know

I'm just value should be your Josh and youngest Joshua there. Let's let us get back to semi really fast, because a lot of the criticism ends up will not a lot of criticism, but there is critic, them to be be levied at doktor. Semi, because the claim basically here is that you can he'll yourself from literally anything from AIDS to cancer, to whatever it is. If you follow this diet consistently for them save your life and it will come back and you'll be good to go. Let your food beer, medicine, yes and its again, it's one of those things where it was linked to off it, because there is a company. There is a company right now you can go to the website for its Doktor CBS sell food, Doktor Seti's, sell food in offer, supplements meant to quote

expedite the healing process, if you're, following along with the diet- and you can check it out for yourself at doktor- savvy, sell food dot. Com worry as nutrition guy, a blog his whole methodology is is, is bio and all the stuff. And of course you can purchase these things, and I believe that the basic pack in question here is what like seven hundred fifty bucks Dance tat advanced back, so you can get in for a little in getting me offer. Maybe a couple hundred yeah. I think there's a couple on their there really can the two hundred four hundred arrange and am sure if you did research, you could find independent suppliers of the different substances put in the pact and may receive money, I'm I haven't the math on it, no one! Actually, the the advanced pack is sort of the basic pack, then there's an all inclusive pack, that's fifteen hundred dollars. So there's the advances, the was dear. That's the lowest tier of like a whole collection of Scotland,

and by individual Mina remedies or whatever there's something called. The booster package is five hundred seventy five dollars and you can buy individual things from everything from bromide plus capsules for thirty bucks to doktor said these blood pressure balance herbal t. Sixteen bucks you have this empty. The point here is that it's not cheap t ride soon get in on this kind of diet. If you're going to follow it and take these supplements provided by the company. However, many people will swear that the programme healed, the one element or another at the time of reporting. As far as we could find no universally acknowledged scientific studies supported these claims. They still live squarely in the realm of the annex to which doesn't make them false. It just means that at this point they have not held up to scientific

That doesn't mean that there is no sense to it, because clearly some people believe that it as well no are you actually ripe and that I will say I think it's a little unusual and now unusual, maybe on the knows that labels on all these products literally look like the kind of labels you would have seen on the snake oil stuff sold out of carts back in the old in the olden days. You know it's like an old fountains of doktor said sell food and might it's got a picture of him in the middle and it's like tooth powder It's like you and the names of others like there's something got I wash and green food. We would just In my opinion, it is close as you can get to making it look like medicine, having the mind go to medicine without claiming that is actually knows, because the FDA will poppy for that there's

also a conspiracy related to doktor savvy. That extends beyond his claims to cure cancer, and that is the conspiracy surrounding his passing here's. How a lot of you found out about doctors semi? It was not through seeking cancer treatments. It was through the interest of the late embassy and activist nip see hustle, whom some of our fellow hip hop fans may be familiar with hustle at the time. His own death was reportedly working on a documentary about doctors savvy, and we found a quote from him where he seems to confirm this, He says I'm workin on doing a documentary on the trial in night in the nineteen eighties and hustle as when Doktor Sebi went to trial in New York. It was because he published in the newspaper that he has cured AIDS. He beat that case says nip see, but nobody talks about it. I think the stories important, if you look into

the case, the way that the events broke down was that he was charged in eighty seven with practice medicine without a license, but he was acquitted because jurors, claim. The state had failed to show he made an actual medical diagnosis yeah new and claim that he was selling the cure necessarily because it is more about diet right and after winning that case in the nineteen eighties. He went on to work with very celebrities who believed in his cause. Now, just I'm sure many of us listening know this after emphasise it. Just because someone happens to be famous, does not in any way make them smarter than you. It does make em dumber than you. It doesn't make them special. In particular, it just makes them a person right. I n, and they probably have a better credit card.

This probably not in any way make them was really heavy. It does, they make them smarter than you. It does make em dumber than you so people like Michael Jackson, De Eddie Murphy, John Travolta LISA, left eye Lopez, all swore by doctors, savvy LISA Lopez said I know a man who's been curing AIDS, since one thousand nine hundred and eighty seven and vociferous public support of the guy, but shortly afterwards she was run off the road and died after leaving Sebi's Healing village in Honduras, and some people will tell you people who believe There's more to the story. They'll tell you that she was also targeted because she had been spreading. His healing message eyes also reputed to have worked with Michael Jackson to try,

painkiller addiction and semi later sued, Michael Jackson for almost four hundred grand in unpaid bills and then six hundred something in lost revenue. The case was dismissed in twenty fifteen And a year later, Doktor Semi dies is eighty, two years old, he's in jail cell in Honduras. He was arrested for carrying stacks of sex, yeah. I was, I think, thirty something thousand nearly forty fifty something thousand in another case, and he couldn't he couldn't say where it came from. That was the big issue is, I just have this money and he ended up in jail and then got pneumonia and passed away. Or was it Pneumonia NEA is officially pneumonia, but people who believe that the accounts,

Your big farmer was suppressing. His work well say that he was murdered by the medical industry to again silence his message: here's the deal big farmer was going to take out doktor savvy their best, answers were in the eighties, probably or prior to the eighties. Before it was a big deal. And then they had all the way up to two thousand sixteen get the job done and if they did in fact, murder him just the the amount of time and effort it just doesn't. Sesame, suitors you're saying they would have known the efficacy of his claims at earlier and then

acted accordingly, as opposed to waiting till he got famously, or maybe they couldn't take him out, because he was too hot at the time I would ever I just I'm trying to trying to go down the it doesn't feel like he I killed to me, but me, but my opinion so opinion with with this. What we see is this: these are enormously contentious issues and there's another conspiracy theory that gets ignored, that lost in the wash here or in the church of different narratives, and it's. This is something that will there too, I would argue, both are a little more plausible and one is disturbing, and one is incredibly disturbing. The first is this that there is a huge imbalance between private and public funding of cancer research, and that leads critics to say your big farmer

may actually be slowing down the search for a cure to cancer. The conspiracy here is not that it not that it exists, but that searching for it is being stymie because these, profit driven entities and they focus their money on developing patentable, single drug treatments in getting somewhat hooked for life on a pill in stead of testing, combination, therapies or explore in a way to re purpose, cheaper generic drugs- and, if that's the case, then we're looking at something pretty distressing. It's less of it of a clever conspiracy by some shadowy cabal, and it's more like a bunch of people bumbling for short term profits, because the law

long term stuff just will deliver what the stockholders, what the other one and this one we save to the end, because I think it's by far the most frightening. What if there is no conspiracy? What if they're just, is no cure? What, if all these things just don't work? That's a world! The people don't want to live it now and if anything, man and aim for the thing that points to that as being the most believable option is the fact that these billionaires die of cancer and that's hard to walk away from this hard to square. If any of the stuff is true, I suppose you could take the view now Epstein Approach and, like all he d dieting these dead and he died of suicide. A nice maybe actually secretly willing on an island. Perhaps some of these billionaires

made it look like they died of cancer when in fact they did receive the care and are now living off the grid. Who knows how will we prove it many times again? Thought expand, yeah exactly and that's the thing so now we we wrap up and we do. Of course we we don't have an answer, but this is a huge conversation. There is going to be continued. In some form or another, very, very likely for the rest of our lives. Unless there is some sort of panacea discovered. Let's ask ourselves the case for or against conspiracy so people working there is a conspiracy. Are gonna say that it's a profit motive there Vesa Mount Fuji argument and they are saying that cancer helps call the population, but cancer takes a while to kill people when it is fatal. Then there's the the argument against the conspiracy, which also hinges on profit, Why would a profit motivated entity not instantly up on the ability to be the exclusive source of a cancer cure that his hand over fist

and it also would allow those people that you cured too then take whatever other drugs that you're selling that they might need in their lives right, yeah, exactly there's one thing for sure, as today, several of the alternative cancer cures being sold. The sick people across this planet are themselves the result of true conspiracies their schemes. Who exploit the desperate hopes of people who are suffering from horrific disease and to take- your money without actually helping them at all and in some cases, harming them. If you, loved ones are currently battling cancer. Please do not give up hope and please please, please be vigilant. If you choose a certain treatment plan,

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