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When you first ghosts and government cover ups histories, riddled with unexplained events, you can turn back or learn stuff. They don't want you to know. I will come back to the show. My name is met and, as always, we are joined by our super, nor the political brown is well, I think you're doing, he's gotta do is get a nice positive, shrug sport. Super producer are often happens. Allusions to the nature of the episode for anyone who doesn't read the title

as and when a punch in playing this episode and display and set the suit jumping into the great beyond the pie casting world. This is an episode that is heavily political, you're not really taken any sides other than to say that I think we can all agree. It is not good to kill people. That's a fairly basic basic assumption that we can agree that, regardless of someone's self political meaning or identification. They can t with so that with that disclaimer, what I can about today. We are talking about a kind the guy that was held up as the buggy man when I was going through high school and college up until around two thousand eleven re year, and I appreciate your use of the phrase bogey man

we are talking about. Oh some up. Enliven, then, of summer related conspiracies, or, should I say, login related conspiracies, so this figure shrouded in mystery and appropriate and controversy even to day as our as our audience knows, both inside and outside of the states, and this is the anniversary of the weak anniversary of the September eleventh attacks and just for pressure. What are those that is when the world? centre in New York City, as well as the Pentagon in Washington, D C, were attacked and another and went down in Pennsylvania Ray spot on. So, richly and often we have heard that

some have been Lawton was involved. With these attacks, too, degree or another or associated with them very quickly after it occurred. There were people on the news mentioning this man's name. Very quickly and in it was thought to be terrorism. If you watch go back and watch the tapes- and you know their specials on every year now that go back through all of the footage that occurred in their people speculating about terrorism almost immediately after it occurred. Not you not even on the news is people on the street right There are also, of course, as notice with any large catastrophic event in who history from the attack on parole, harbour to the assassination J, F K or in any to this event,

there are numerous people and groups to disagree with the official version of events on the day, the from the day the planes hit to two thousand and eleven when Then Leyden passes away in their own. A lot of people who are probably angry that we're even talking about this right now, because we're going to be discussing some of the more fringe idea but the thing there. Then I want you to know that we are looking at facts that we that can be proven and then also telling you what people believe and then I like the show, does every week. We just want you to think about it and come up with your own beliefs structure. And I m sorry, I'm gonna go ahead and do this. Of course you are doing this live well life. Every clearly here, but I want to do this one more time. Picking up the end, where I said leading up to it,

didn't like leading up to two thousand and eleven. When the sun The lion died or did he did he did he did he saw. That and as a the stuff coming up so first we have to start at the beginning who is Osama Bin Laden, because for such a well known name, a lot of people, don't know very much about him other then, as you said, that he was a bogeyman for people growing. Yes, so the man we know as some have been learn who is known in the west, at least in that way, is actually or some of the more hammered been Awad Bin Laden. He was on March Tenth, nineteen, fifty seven in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia his mother was syrian. His father Mohammed, our Bin Laden, was from South Yemen. Osama Bin line was the seventh son of fifty brothers and sisters all told big family huge

the Father is a success story started impoverished worked his way up to become the owner of the largest construction company in Saudi Arabia and during time. His father became very close, a royal family due to his involvement in powers, construction, another royalty, related building. I can see how that would make them body body in that regard Osama Bin Laden grew up in a strictly religious environment. He went to school, injured, Dar unequal to some official sources. He only travel to a couple of countries around the avian peninsula, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Sudan, and that's according to this work, for his entire life. That's where he existed. So the reason that we mention, that is, that you're laughing hear stories that he secretly went to Switzerland. One reason another or that he secretly travel to another country may be in the west. Maybe he went to

Are you you'll hear wild stuff were at least maybe more fair way to say it is unsafe? and created stuff. He adopted the beliefs and precepts of the most Muslim Brotherhood during his time in school, and you probably heard of the Muslim Brotherhood, indifferent news reports about events in the Middle EAST at this time he was not involved in violent, were terrorist like activities so to see what changed we will consult an excellent timeline provided to us by the good work front line. As some others, which means. Of course this is a time line of official events, release proven events, cash memory back summertime- six nineteen. Seventy nine, the soviet invasion of Afghanistan, a boiling point in the proxy war there between Russia and the West Bin Laden,

this home in Saudi Arabia, to join the afghan resistance. The machine gun he's about twenty two at this time. So you know twenty two year old. You can imagine I or college age years for us in the west at least he's going out and joining a resistance movement. Now we get to night Jeanne. Eighty eight, This is when Finland officially established Al Qaeda. This is, if you ve got it. Many many times there, an organization of met Ex mujahideen and other supporters, so the people who were fighting in Afghanistan Right, and during their endurance, seventy nine eighty eighty did become a successful fighter working his way up from a resistance fighters to agree

the commander, so when he establishes Al Qaeda, I he was also successful at raising funding, which will we'll talk about as well as this would once go through just a few of the events that he was tied to so real, quick and eighty nine. The soviets pull out of Afghanistan in light comes back to Saudi Arabia. People love em is a hero when he gets involved in movements against the monarchy, which are doesn't doesn't go over well in a theocracy like Saudi Arabia, inaction, anyone he's kicked out moves back to Afghanistan to because at the time started allowed any Muslim into the country without a visa, and then, if we fast forward will but later they bomb exploded a hotel in aiding.

Right here. This is a place where United States troops had been staying. There how to humanity or humanitarian mission in Somalia, the bomb killed austrian tourists and yours Rogers, apparently had already left once once this attack occurred. And there were too many muslim militants who were apparently train and Afghanistan who were injured in the glass as well they their later arrested and use intelligence agencies allege that this was the first terror attack involving Hoddan and his associates right and as we go through this we're going to hear more more statements, lake attacks involving Bin Laden or he is associate nor linked to it. So in nineteen, only three February, twenty six the world treats bombing, occurs

I told her of the same year. Eighteen, U S, troops are killed in Mogadishu and people are people begin suspecting that Bin Laden and his followers trained and arm the man who killed the troops. They also believe intelligence analyse over the years become more and more certain that then Lawton isn't just leading terrorist groups. He's fine ants, indifferent training camps near training camps I think Sudan, northern Sudan, and now in April nineteen, nine hundred saudi. Libya takes note of all this stuff and says you're getting out of here. They refer line, citizenship and they make moves to even freeze all those assets, at least the ones in Saudi Arabia. Because of his support for some of these, Muslim fundamentalists groups yet and

so he is establishing through ninety four. Ninety five he's establishing more training camps around the saudi arabian border, an August of nineteen. Ninety five. He writes a letter. He writes a letter to the king of Saudi Arabia and he calls for a campaign of guerrilla attacks. Order to drive you S, forces out of the kingdom and for the next few years we're going skip over some of the developments are just a quick laundry list for saudi men accused bombing. Howdy National Guard Training Centre in the capital are beheaded before their execution. They claim to read letters from in London. Ninety ninety six, President Clinton signs Topsecret order that authorized the CIA to use any and all means to destroy the Bin Laden Network, as this is increasingly as a threat to U S for is or U S. Personnel are citizens abroad. You have even

the grand jury, a secret grandeur, investigation into Bin Laden in August of ninety six then later in August of this year. Ninety ninety six been lawn signed an issued deck look, of G Hod, where he he based set out the organizational goals of these groups it he had set up where to drive US forces from the saudi Arabian Peninsula overthrow. The government of Saudi Arabia lit liberated. I am sites and support islamic revolutionary. Groups around the world. He also in this declares that Saudis have the right to strike at. U S, troops inside the Persian Gulf, El Ray and Nineteen, eighty seven, I! U S, backed multi, still mercenary force allegedly is formed with the aim of ducking and killing Bin Laden obviously does not work

Then Latin does something. Ninety ninety eight is unique wait declaration with several other groups where they try to form a world islamic front. Then let's go to night to ninety eight there's, a grand jury, investigation of Bin Laden charging him with the conspiracy to attack the fence utilities of the? U s- and this is where prosecutors charge, that Bin Laden heads a terrorist organisation called Al Qaeda in your weakened through some states quickly does interviews with, maybe see night lying. I he later does interviews with time and a second interview with a b c during this time he is eventually becoming a lot. Maybe not public enemy number one by one of the let's say top fifteen for the? U S when the? U S, attorney's office files, its most

Please indictment of Osama Bin Laden, the nineteen. Ninety nine, at the time, the grand jury charges the him and eleven other people for conspiring to chill american nationals. So this is a real thing, a global conspiracy, if you will to To fight against or to assassinate american nationals or western nationals multiple times they learn states during his la public appearances, the call them that that the Eu S should now be in the holy land yeah, and I noticed something in looking at all this ban that one the mines main targets, was the government and the He leadership within Saudi Arabia, and it made me think about our petrodollar episode and the deal set up

then Saudi Arabia Arabia, with the United States to trade in U S dollars, and I was interested in maybe sounded line is learning about this larger financial set up a global financial set up, as he's in the media and getting older. I am interested to know how much influenced. Won't you also many conservative Muslims object to. Saudi Arabia in the lobby idea and see it as a means of propping up again political support for the ruling house of Sir ok. I want take a second here before we continue, because we were we're talking a lot about terrorist groups that are Islam right, but the truth of the matter is that there are

numerous terrorist groups and end there, not all islamic, something that may stream news in the West will try to slip pass people, but it is, There are christian terrorist groups, their jewish terrorist groups. There are Hindi terrorist groups. There are. So many groups, like their end with as with any other which, in the vast majority, religion Petitioner. Demographic is not composed of violence. Creased people right it's composed of people who have a belief system that, to some degree regulates word defines their life for the way they interact with the world, and that and that's it. Then the Islamophobia that creeps into the west is entirely different.

It was, you are absolutely right. The extremism is very different in should be separated from religion right. There are two very different things. The extremist ideas of any group are not necessarily religious at their core. So without being said, let's go to the official story of the deaf. Working to the official narrative of Osama Bin Laden is killed in a compound on me. Second, two thousand eleven in about bad Pakistan Seal team six invades the compound they're doing a project called operation net tunes spear, which was meant to allegedly apprehend a sum of Bin Laden. They use stealth helicopters, one of which Rex and is layer taken probably to China, for some reverse engineering. Accounts differ

On what happened, I often hear that Bin Laden resisted or as follows, resisted there was a fire fight and he was killed, but either way according to the official story he was killed in the compound and after that they transport his body to Afghanistan for identification. Turned out that it was him. There was also earlier. Dna evidence used firm this before they went in and they took him to the: U S as Carl thence in which, which is the site where they controversially and allegedly gave him a burial at sea. It hearing

who is law, make beliefs. Now also, let me Salem interrupter myself to make their correction believe netting spear was eight kill or apprehend mission. So that means if there was no resistance, they would take him alive. Got you now Ben Here's where it gets crazy, a lot people lot of people don't believe at least part of that story. Many people don't believe any of that story, not even the where Osama Bin Laden died in two thousand and eleven the day. Some people even think the entire rule of Osama Bin Laden? Is some kind of story never meant to be told and told and re told, but is actually not Now this is gonna. Be a huge debate depend on you, depending on who you talk to either way goes- but here are of the three big ideas, the big consumers

sees that surround the life of Osama Bin of the first one is that a sum of Bin Laden was act, the CIA operative that he was you know and when he was working when he was fighting with mujahideen he was actually trained by the CIA to start and lead groups right so. They believe that live in London and his group's received funding from Saudi Arabia and the United States and then Qaeda, is actually a part of this and is a creature. Of the CIA. Right, the primary crux that debate being whether this was a wilful creation or an inn. Urgent creation, where it says Neil, let's fight commune and by arming the locals telling them that they are. They have the religious innovation or their somehow speed,

really mandated to fight this war against these invaders. What could possibly go wrong? Endless stream? sky, to be a leader like an excellent leader of these guys to fight back in a resistance movement and unseen- and you can see a clear from the Larry King Show, where bond our been salt in one of the diplomats for Saudi Arabia, says in eighties. If you remember, we and the United Saudi Arabia in the United States were supporting the mujahideen to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviets. Osama Bin Laden came to. Thank me for my efforts to bring the Americans our friends to help us against the atheist. He set the communist. Isn't that ironic. Today's upset his brow. You buy IBM for businesses around the world. Today is an a restart. It's a rethink! That's why they're partnering with IBM retailers are keeping their says. Up as millions of orders move on mine.

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helping bring America to help him. And what strange about this? Well, I guess I should say the opposite of strange: what's completely expect the Central intelligence agency. In the. U S, officials refute this, arguing that they only supported native Afghanistan will so not not in any way bringing fighters, inner encouraging them, and you can read similar statements from other people involved, including the forehead of the eye. Aside had two stones intelligence agency, there's this other idea. I'm a Bin Laden worked for the. U S right up to September eleven, a person in civil admins. You you ve heard of before I'm sure said that the: U S, outsource terror operations outside and the Taliban for years and years and years and authorities, man right and according to

some french sources. Cia agents met within Latin two months before Nine eleven it was already wanted for the bombing of the. U S, s call at that time, allegedly two days before nine eleven two days he called his step. And then said today, you're, going to your big news and you're, not gonna, hear from me for a while. So, in other words, then it says as though American for Is the Eu S Department of Defense and the CIA had several many opera, it is to capture or someone Bin Laden, and yet they failed to do so, or at least they did not do so. They chose not to pay

even even after nine eleven? The? U S military intentionally allowed Bin Laden to evade capture, sounds pretty crazy right right arm for people who believe that the greek game continues. This sort of intentional encouragement of instability seems completely plausible. However, of course, at the point out for being fair, that instability might be useful to a certain points, but simply anarchy, hey us is not so that that's the big crux of that idea, how involved, if it always or some other London with these yea? If so, what degree of importance did they hold to each other and to what degree was

the: U S somehow participating in this proxy war, was it just train into local Afghanistan? who's as the CIA and other officials maintain, or was it more active? just one. There's there's another the there's another about death, related belief, and that's that when people claims that, then line was assassinated in two thousand and eleven. It was entirely made up then never happened and that of Summer Bin Laden actually died years before in two thousand and one yes, then some people believe that Osama Bin Laden actually died. Ten year prior to his official death She does eleven didn't you died in two thousand one. They think it is they're from illness from alone, that something is going wrong,

with his lungs or I've, heard things about kidney problems and having beyond dialysis. They also that he may have been killed in an american bombing. Now these art these aren't, I hate to see it but fringe sources that are talking about this, these these aren't. Steel, these are government officials and if, if they are not spent, they are at least government officials right, I think, that's pretty very to say we're talking about people like General Tommy francs, former american military commander, for Afghanistan or of former president of Pakistan, General Purvis moves sheriff who, as we mention on the video you might remember from a strange and awkward interview on the daily show that one

Stewart was heading a personal hero of yours Matt, I D. Like you know, I am a big fan of the officials. The officials overtake monies generals. They seem to base this speculation is conclusion on just the amount of farming in the Torah bore a mountain, so they had nationally sing a body or anything least go into the New York Times, and that is rightly and german. The New York Times reported on this to back in December, twenty six, two thousand and one. Another source of the Pakistan observer went on they. They quoted the Taliban leader who said that a sound and London died of quote a sin long, complication back in December yeah. They also that Pakistan observer article some more information and knowledge funeral and, of course it seems

it's my role in this episode to know my favour role, but she had begun its. My role in this episode to point out the other side of the story. This is very close to war time propaganda. So some people doubted its thinking. There I saw Pakistan's intelligence agency supplied, purposely mislead. Information with the idea of throwing, U S war.

When is a war machine. I don't mean anything other than an enormous, inefficient thing. Some people believe that I aside Pakistan's intelligence agency purposefully, Miss led misled the public with the idea being that, if the U S, forces could be convinced that Osama Bin Laden is dead, they might be thrown off Bin Laden's trail and so people who believe this idea. I think this is a lie to think about. If, someone dies in two thousand and one, then how could you even assuming you could pull it off by doing some massive conspiracy cover up for a decade? Why would you do that? Why would you go to all that trouble? That is it question to answer ban. But it might go back to the idea that we set at the top of a bogeyman. I can see it beneficial on either side. So

from from you stand side wanting. You know wanting to have this this He sees a kind of a leader and asset for intelligence and for a strategy. Having this person least believed to be and then using him on the inside see that be advantageous inversely. I can see it being advantageous to want to make people but that, he is still alive because it creates the spectre of the evil that you're fighting in all of these places right, at least it's good for morale for your troops, it's good for even the people inside your country or other people that you're trying to inspire to fight these wars. For you, I can imagine it being highly advantageous either way I see the same people who believe this theory that the London two thousand one typically described the motivation to things like that, might be for political manoeuvring like the hostage crisis, in IRAN, that it might be due to an echo,

really driven desire for war to continue, because some people do make a lot of money off of it. Although letter seems a little bit far fetched for me, not that there would be people who would want work to continue so much as that there would need to be one person upon whom that decision hinges. I think it's very easy to create a situation where, in a war, is who were necessary, oh sure, helpful, to have an iconic image or or something that can be repeated over and over sure yeah that begins to serve a sort of autonomy rain I soon there's also a the idea of uncertainty in you wouldn't want to report that someone was dead if you didn't really think they were dead, because what a coup that is to come from the day the public I so it could just be. The people didn't know for sure it could be

You know that that there was an advantage politically speaking for the time line. So that's that's what people who believe he died. Two thousand one actually believe, and I think that Benazir Bhutto may have me some public statements about that too before her assassination? Yes, I would, if I were you and you have not seen this- would look of Benazir Bhutto Osama Bin Laden, I think, maybe died. Two thousand where she is conducting or she is being interviewed and she, says she states at least a court, the video that asylum law and died in two thousand one, but is she just referring to this information that was coming out of Pakistan? You know, I mean there are a lot of course.

Tens and you will read, you- can read multiple sources that will go either way numb and it's tough to figure out what's true their early. What does she actually referring to and we'd love to hear what you think on this list? So if, if your hearing something whether on this or any of the earlier points later stuff. We talk about and you'd like away and we'd love, to hear your prayers Of course, you are a member of a military force, whether in the U S and Pakistan somewhere else. We like to hear perspective. We believe it is Oh your ball and you are not in the military of course, we still want to hear from you and hear what you have found in the course of Europe: delve incidents, rabbit hole and speaking of rabbit hole We have come to probably the most widely reported in

mainstream media disagreement with the official narrative- and it starts with a guy Seymour, Hirsch, legendary journalist, Seymour Hirsch, nay you. I remember this gentleman yeah sure, you probably saw the actual article on red it. That's how I first came across it. He's a guy. You wrote about a mile massacre in the cover up in Vietnam. Yes, who wrote about the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse. Does an article threw up all over London Review of books he's well now a very well known- and I would say in maybe prestigious writer somebody who was held up Seymour hers, I believe, is somebody was her love as being an authority in a lot of places. Well, he's gone through cycle being derided and then lauded after new enough time passes. She says that

red did happen that night on May second, two thousand eleven. It just didn't, go down the way. People think the? U S. Official position Is that the I assigned the top brass and Pentagon had no idea. Somehow no idea that Osama Bin Laden was living in that compound all along they do they just Dave me idea which is very a similar to very similar to Hitler survival, World WAR two and then Parliament finding out that he had a flat somewhere in London, so This is what her says happens happened. He said a walking asset alerted the CIA awoken asset. It is a very difficult proposition for the CIA, because walking asset could easily be a double agent, or someone who is sincere, but one

This and we're literally sing a walk in acid. This is this is a person who into an official place and says hey, information. I want to share with you right what's in to the embassy and I want to talk with someone and all of a sudden, you're learning a lot more about that consular attached Shea or the person whose the head of janitor Ill Services turns out to have a couple of extra job duties on which we were not aware. So after this asset alert the CIA and they managed to verify the information. Her says that the Pakistani in american government struck a deal. That they would stage this rate, so the pike someone's gonna give up give up in love. And they were going to make it seem as though it were you the lateral action on the part of the. U S, one thing:

what do you want to go back to? I was interested in the reasons if this were true. Why in the Heck word Pakistan, if they knew he was there, keep him there and were what I've seen and is that it was some kind of like hey. We ve. Osama Bin Laden, you jihadist groups or the groups that want to enough overthrow governments and create havoc. We got skyward protecting him. You don't have to you know it's ok. You got to hurt us, however, if there keeping it secret wouldn't be telling anybody that right so it would only be. It was some other luydens connections, I guess to say: hey, don't attack, Pakistan,

Well, I was just trying to write my head around the reasoning behind it. I mean it's: it's a heck of a poker chip, the humming to be crass about here. It's also, it's also quite possible that at this point in London had little to no actual control over over the situation right. So a lot of you you'll hear people disagree about the degree of influence surely hat was he just releasing tapes saying continue on carry on my word son or was he? Was he

stead your actively plodding things and telling people show up on this day at this time, meet this guy and planning attack from there and if so, to what degree. The problem is that a lot of this stuff remains classify. We can tell you about some things are allegedly declassified which will do in a little bit. Here's one of the key issues, the next series of things that her says that when other journalists to attack and then say that he was a quote, unquote, conspiracy, theorist, meaning new meaning as an insult every. I don't pay attention to this guy We might terminating cliche right when you think of him, think of reptilian hybrids or whatever, so he per says in law was never meant to survive the raid, who is supposed to be killed and that

He also Bin Laden that it did not receive an islamic burial at sea. I did not receive a burial at sea at all that this was a fabrication. A lot of the body was riddled with bullets, and some pieces were thrown out of the helicopter as they flew to Africa. Stone, and one consultant, one anonymous source told her that the CIA took the body wants the remains landed in that country working from home conference calls used on me and John with everything we have going on right now. It's never been more important sleep we need, while we sleep is a natural immune boost and only the sweet number three sixty smart and sensitive movements and automatically just confidence appoint on both sides justly number setting. So all those other things were doing this. They help me unhappy well downward better job. Now during lowest price of the season. The queen sleep number three

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at some of the videos that you may remember, somebody iconic ones were actually not Osama Bin Laden. One of these through the things that we can definitely point to us hey this is this is absolutely fact is that there are german experts looks uh Bin Laden confession video from, and I think it was what two thousand one were two dozen two things: two thousand one where they were saying. That d Rio was itself incorrectly translated I dispute in that it was actually Osama Bin line, but there are saying that it was perhaps purposefully not translated correctly. So in that case there saying that it was him. It was. The video is always in a circle of followers people. I called it- wouldn't grew damning admission of guilt, but accordingly,

you are going to the german experts there. The tapes tampered with contains a translation error Yours and this is this- is the one that is supposedly him saying. Yes, nine eleven. We didn't nine eleven, basically, the The the errors that their mentioning you can read about in more detail. If you just search for german experts, I think it's came under Spiegel. A german experts save in London were confession. Incorrectly translated and you'll find it, and you can find the discussion about it. I would say if you want to play a dangerous game and you do not do not yourself speak German, you can always

put your faith in Google translate and have the best answer. There's another guy named Neil from Pact, were factor who believes that a different, different tape of Osama Bin Laden was manufactured from various earlier audio to all appearances and the person who says that this was such a compilation, is a phoney Neil crowds of image. Forensics expert. He looked at the tape from September seven to them, The seven and said it was full of visual and audio splices, not just that, but LO and it was a likely fake and then there's also way. A thing is a two thousand to audiotape. There was attributed allegedly to them in there Digital with scientists there they were saying this is fake. It's not act

besides in London and there's a gordian article that you can read you might the search two thousand too, Kind of Bin Laden Tee Perhaps we will be able to find it here and we can tell you a little bit about it. So there is a thing called the Institute of Linguistic and fanatics. In Paris and they found that, based on the phonetic testing, the Al Jazeera tape was genuine. This this tape was delivered to Al Jazeera in two thousand to his man said American exports also thought it was Bin Laden too, but the quality of the tape is pretty poor, so people are completely sure. What's reason Yours at a place called the down more institute for perceptual, artificial intelligence. Believe the message was reported by someone else. They built a computer

model others. Some have been lunch voice and they, based on an hour of actual recordings, and then using voice recognition systems that they were there were being developed for banking security. These us with scientists, tested that synthetic model for that created oh yes, twenty known recordings of the actual Bin Laden system correctly identified his voice in night teen of them, and that means there is a five percent risk of error in their conclusion that the latest heap was make, so it s a little different too, because it's not a bunch people listening to it and then maybe out something. It picks up things that the human body or the human ear probably doesn't record. Now here. Is the really weird thing you guys got there all kinds of theories out there. Videos that were Osama Bin Laden impersonators. Oh man,

Your people writing online, or you see people writing a line Some of the language really different in two thousand seven, many didn't two thousand one or two thousand sick. Or even you know the late later later. Videos that is apparent seems to change drastically over all these videos. What here's the thing the CIA actually did at least they have the idea to her. A propaganda, video, Osama Bin Laden, according to Jeff Stein. They actually did create, at least according to the people that he spoke to write a propaganda. Video regrets yes, I'm just gonna go to the article that just I wrote for its a blog called spy talk that he wrote for Washington Post he's speaking called CIA units. Wacky idea depict Saddam as gay. This was written in two thousand ten in May, as specifically may twenty fifth and he's talking about the euro,

operations Group and kicking around ideas, two ways to discredit Saddam Hussein do these videos that would make an omelette really bad. They would be greening videos, perhaps taken from a cell phone or from the really low quality camera there would not baby sit on? compromising things like making. They were talking about making sixteen, possibly with a teenage boy and then flooding Iraq with the videos. They also talked about making a fake television programme with fake news bulletin, talking about how so no music going to step down and he was going to have his son come into power Sudan. Half way down the article he he talks about, how the agency, I guess, he's referring to the CIA here they did- The video purporting to show Osama Bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swinging bottles of liquor and savouring their conquests with voice. What are you

former CIA officers are called chuckling at the memory. That's that's all strange to me that they even had that idea? Although I can? see. I can see why that would be made strategic move, it doesn't require any guns right at that point doesn't require any assets go in it. Just you'd make some videos and then send em around. I think a lot of people will believe that, though, primarily for the consumption of alcohol, are you nuts was right and there's no judgment and brainstorming. So I'm sure did this idea is just the tip of the propaganda iceberg that we are hearing about. There is one other conspiracy that we should mention about a summit not a lot of people in the West might not have heard, but it sits fairly. It has been. The popular in the past in some other countries- and that is the idea that

I'm a Bin Laden, like Elvis to Part Kirk, obeying Morrison is somewhere somehow o Michael Jackson's well alive and just hasn't been apprehended will return to find another day. This this theory for no for a lot of people seems like well how possible Lizzy. I would he oh, why would someone do all this stuff and then disappear to what end, and it doesn't seem like than one would be the kind of person who would just disappear without contain in some sort of fight, but I feel like it's important for us to note that an with that those are some of the more what's the worries and video that persistent conspiracy theories.

Regarding Osama Bin Laden, both the career and terrorism, as well as his death at the hands of seal team six or into some wine from bombing by? U S, forces from morphine syndrome, from lung complications etc, and I would love to hear from someone who knows war or has some has improved for, has something entirely different, but wait speaking hearing. Do you hear that for just a moment a stroke? pressure to strip the note there. It is one thing you shine on having a stroke

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man I feel like they're. There should be a good night, sweetbreads goodbye car, so late, I don't know motoring so We do have another up like uplifting event. We could talk about net net got a lotta email and three now about the earlier announcement from where week gather their several really lovely emails that we have received so far does feel weird you reading them to Ben. I forget some delay all may have been sounder to reign. It's about my authorities, how lovely island ex Ante, I don't feel like it's my place to respond. Oh no, You should not respond Diana actually area through and respond to them in our adventures, for them. We think that in your own time, because of their a couple that are fantastic like so

much more information than I could have ever asked for. Can helpful information catch people up on what what you asked for less last week. In case they don't know all. I was basically like hey, there's may become in I'm scared help. That's worth that's what I said. And I ve got some messages from people who have had experience with children, and so the vessel was how to how to cope, with your relationship like your mouth, they should with my wife. While we are trying to take care of this levy and we're both terrified and stressed out and lacking sleep? No, you have the kid is well. Did you give any advice to met me? We have talks, I don't treat them at hammer were sent them to envy email, but you know we occasionally run into each other now and have little yeah momentarily

about child rearing. How old your daughter she six six at eight, I think kids, when their wooden before they get to the double digit. There's this age where I talked about this affair? There's this age, where leaders seems so much more intelligent than adults. I thought your has it and they actually have no are you should say that about an adult arrives, myself included, so don't feel bad, say yeah. My kids creepy smart she's, like the girl in the bad, see me I'm afraid, she's gonna ask me down the stairs and am I looking men came she's she's, really smart ass. She is, she is my again at that is always some guy MA. Am I not now is a hundred percent aware of what it is The reason we have really fascist, restarting my kids, so I went to cover the other thing I told you about. Independence are went to cover the other day to get some food. We're picking up on frozen things so that we can just make them really easily when we're both having downtime and when I was being checked out

was a twenty year old woman who was actually take me out in eighteen year, old woman who was doing the begging. They were having when I walked up. They were having a long conversation about kids. These days, they're always on their cell phones. They got no respect I mean it was. It was a crazy conversation for very young people to be having, and specifically they were discussing these kids. I mean nothing Oh man, I didn't get myself alone until I was a middle school. Just wait! out of the game, was that allows a nice for even beyond major. I was getting eighty eight regeneration guys I I just couldn't I just. It was so funny to me to hear that having already announced trying to imagine what, daughter in my son are gonna, be like yeah, it's weird with her. As I mean she's really good. At operating those devices, I dont letter mess with them like all the time, but she likes to play minecraft my comments on my phone so letter mess with that. But

and she ll occasionally I'll text, her mom and I'll get a text back this clearly her he hurt her gets it says narrow far, even obviously, but she knows how to work that stuff. She knows how to send pictures as genocide. Excelsis there's one time she changed my facebook profoundly secretly, that's for sure of her I have a high level agreed Nicholas and by that that's pretty that's pretty impressive. Yet I guess if we, if we had to speculate, there are a few things that we getting children in the future would look back on as ridiculous were. I can't believe they did, that kind of antiquated things and one a big is, in my opinion, might be having to use your hands to interface with electronics yeah. Interface anything with ear manually. That seems like. Why would you do that on the scene and back in the future to a monument fires using the shoot em up?

ok game and the kids go just use your hands here ever understood that joke. When I was younger and then like now so up here, we're all gonna have implants guys here you can get Google in your head for free. Flowing as you listen to the advertisements that play in your mind. Like your hearing voices, you just have to think that you agree to the contract. You I've actually sign anything you just yeah yeah. I just didn't just a subway I'm not worried that sounds like an episode for another day. Again, we would love to hear if Mary, by with your opinions on the ground of Osama Bin Laden. Do you believe the official narrative. Do you think something else happened and if so, what you can find us on Facebook? You can find a cent you can check out the earlier episodes we alluded to on our website as well as our.

To channel and our best suggestion. Come from listeners? If you have a suggestion, we'd love to hear from you, although it can take us a while to take a while to get back to them, I am thinking in particular of a really excellent whether we received allegations of vote rigging start in Scotland's independence referendum or to say, if you would like to write to us that we can do so. Your conspiracy house therefore stuck come from on this topic and other unexplained visit to darken, slash conspiracy, stuff. You can also get on twitter, but the handle conspiracy.

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