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survive, and I believe it was me at some point. You said, I believe one of them died to translation on my part, so to be clear, there is a little bit of a happy ending for those gets they did. They did make it this riding into adulthood. They ve got facebooks the whole mind you I just in case you survived that episode, because it is a. It is a normally one by this. Thank you been this important issue. Thanks to everyone on Twitter and Instagram and Facebook, and so on, who wrote to us to ask for clarification to point that out without further ado, assuming you ve heard famous tombs port one hears where it gets crazy for starting right

getting crazy at the top yeah well. This was originally supposed to be just one episode, and now it is true that list those break it down. There are a lot of people that died a lot more people than are currently living in war, not that have ever lived and because, obviously, if you'd died, you live still spoiler. Everyone is alive right now, gonna die, possibly probably, but not definitely, and so it's hard to bury everybody. Not everybody was buried, so only some of the most important people are going to have tombs that remain from hundreds of years ago. That's where we find ourselves and even those tombs didn't fair, as well as their creators. It hoped right, look upon my work, see mighty and so on. So it is strange that there is one surprise that I found that maybe we can save till the end, but let's

Let's start with what sobered lost grave sites right was that were with doubts where we were earlier rank began. We had a whole category to start fresh with so. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, you you ve, probably heard of it, Mozart in the journal, Mozart in the city, ass, confusing with Beethoven for no good reason, Beethoven's the one went, death, etc. Mozart, was like the magic flute dissolved flute. He was so he was living a wild, rockstar life. I didn't know this, but he had tons of mistresses. His wife actually kicked him out of the of the house, they shared together- and there was a great comic us on recent Netflix series who described Mozart's lifestyle and pointed out how difficult it would be in the time in which he lived for your wife to take you out of the house like the bar

behavior, given your patriarchal attitudes was so low that you really had to be going ham and bacon. You know I've never seen Amadeus great yeah yeah. That's it could fill salutary I was like his nemesis. They were beefed up apparently yeah, it's been a while, since I saw it, but it's masterful performance. I think it's no police academy for, but what it exactly I am even police Academy- didn't have their stride until well after police Academy, three one avenue for what and for you have to watch it really it's just. I don't want it, sheep in the sentimental experience for you, they are going to run together. In my mind, I may add, however, that you may have only ever seen police academy one. Oh, I'm sorry my fired, nourishing, get together and watch those and then just watch all of than not stop and watch all the naked gun series, because only tunic a gun.

Eddie targeted, greener and I'm so sorry they all gonna blow together my mind, and then watch on ideas with spiritual companion, peace to naked, thirty three in a third and policing had me for my men, get back to last tombs part two, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart remains one of the most influential classical composers of all time. That's not hyperbole. The guy was just that good. He died on December fifth and one thousand seven hundred and ninety one Maybe this is unfamiliar to a lot of people, but the circumstances of his death remain murky today and there are over a hundred It is about what happened especially for someone that you know. Seventeen. Ninety one is a long time ago, but still sat long ago. It's not as though there wasn't somebody looking at his body after his death and going that problem.

With this, but again when you're dealing with something about boys in or something that kills you internally in seventeen. Ninety one, then it's probably a lot more difficult, yet tunnel people, thirty than poisoned, Again, he was living wild. He probably had a lot of that perhaps spur and lovers methods may have sought revenge. Maybe he contracted something from his well lifestyle. That's possible quite possible! Maybe he just said you at this time in human history, its disturbingly easy for what we consider a common everyday infection to grow unchecked and kill you. You know I got an infectious disease like rheumatic fever so on soap. Mozart died, and that is where her story about Mozart begins. After a great note, the record seemed it Katy was sealed in a wooden coffin and buried in a plot along with forty five other people, and that there was

wooden marker used to identify this technically speaking, mass grave. And is so strange to me that you didn't, I wasn't in place. There was very little of it more. Very strange, but anyway, this idea that he was perhaps buried with several other people gave rise to the commonly accepted method. He was buried in a poppers grave. What was known as a pauper is a grave at the time, a less wealthy person. Grave, specifically because of the debts that he'd accrued over the course of his pretty crazy life than I thought about rally. Was it like party debts you mean those royalties never got to come in four months are really that's true. And didn't. He largely exist on Canada, liquor, patronage, kind,

model when he was alive yeah, I believe so, the artist model. So we he is these buried, not the best financial situation, and this idea this idea of entering our loved ones with forty five other people might today, be something that we associate with poverty or with crime mean Laszlo merciless government or a drug cartel. Those things are still different. Today, that's how they would bury people. That's my out. Decent folks bury people right, but this was the standard practice for middle income families at the time. This is death, murky and unexplained, but his Ariel was surprisingly normal right Oh, the burial of groups of people in one grave

organized and dignified differ significantly from the images of large open pits now, but you think of when the term mass grave gets thrown out. Mozart may not have died rich, but he was admired. He had friends and they came to his widows aid, they helped her pay his debts and his funeral costs. There was many his grave side gatherings and grand funerals were not really a thing to do in Vienna during this period, so Mozart's burial was likely very simple, but a church service was certainly held in his arm and he was buried as a man of his social standing would have been the time I'm at this point. Mozart had a grave, however, at some stage in the next five to fifteen years. His plot was dug up to make room for more burials well now

This is a practice. They picked up. Combating epidemics and plagues did everything. Eventually we have to make more room for the dead so that the living can live The bones were reinterred: they may have been crushed to reduce their size and, as a consequence of this, the position of Mozart's grave was lost again this we're paying more attention to this, because it was Mozart. This amazing composer. This is also fairly common practice for someone living in Vienna at the time, and some historians have suggested that maybe there's a little bit of a pr spin. Here, but a post mortem propaganda, and I never heard this at all before really yeah. This was this was new to me as well. The idea is that Mozart's wit

Constance may have encouraged the paupers burial story or even started it to make the public more interested in her husband's work and then to come, see her perform Mozart's pieces. Diskin compositions. It sounds like some in the EU might hear about in the social media age. Where you, you know, you start a video or something about. Oh, my god, my loved one died in, they were just put here, and these are the terrible circumstances that were going through, but check this out. Placing the song I loved one they just died wrote the final Itunes right now, yeah yeah and. We know we're. Ok, we know that's quite possible depending on what Europe your base level estimation of human ethics- maybe you know, and there are a lot, is there a lot of circumstances? There probably lost a history

We do know that grave space was at a price. Back, then it's still a problem that local municipal organizations in the area have to worry about. Frankly, and people were given one grave for a few years, the move to an all- smaller area. But here's here's one strange thing: we may have lost Mozart's. Brave, but someone may have his skull is Nicholas Gauge He has it in his pyramid. Fried next says: Dereck Skull. No, it's ok! With let's get building here, it's called the Salzburg most Khartoum, that's kind of cool Mozart, younger Mozart's, Dasa in Salzburg, gas They were presented with this pretty morbid, at one point in its supposedly Mozart Skull, interesting, Bear Shirley, unconfirmed unconfirmed.

Looking good yeah, who the. The skull belonged to someone who died in a way that is consistent with Mozart, symptoms before death or those buttons we talked about. The last up. Asylum is paying Thomas painted buttons, it's kind of like a thing. We could probably confirm roughly the age of the skull and how this person met their end, But though we also not really know how Mozart Day, there was no trauma to the scholar anything it was yet yet symptoms that were he had symptoms upon which we can build a couple of theories for death. Poison doesn't really check out in. In this scenario, but here's how the story Those in this is already sort of a legend allegedly aggrieved.

During the reorganization of Mozart's original grave was struck by a pang of conscience and said I you know, I can't let Mozart Skull go gently into that good night rage, rage, et Cetera, and he took the skull. He stole it. Essentially scientific testing so far not been able to confirm or deny that the skull belonged to Mozart, but This goes back to what you're asking no there's evidence on the skull to determine that. Oh, never originally was the possessor of the skull who's ever skull. It was. They died due to something called Chronic came a Toma which would be consistent with moot. Some amounts are symptoms before he had a lot of swelling yet things that looked like, maybe not an infection in the kidneys, but his kidneys were were not working correctly.

Now, even now their several medical theories about the exact cause of his death, but people who are using the skull as a basis for those theories have to admit No one is one hundred percent sure it's Mozart Skull, yet Nick you you'd have to have Another part of the body right to test. The you could confirm was Mozart to get some dna from that, or maybe a descendant clia. Otherwise you're using genetic genealogy, trying to maybe fitting within a family tree somewhere interesting, I wonder whether any descendants of Mozart, alive and kicking. Are you a descendant of motor? Let us know something of the shop

However, there is a figure that there might be a lot more children, Mozart done than are aware, just because of those while times you haven't I'd, looks like mood. Search to surviving sons died without dissent that we know of- and this is the end of Mozart story, but not our show stay tuned- will take a brief break for a word from our sponsors. In a world where everyone is confined to their homes. Society begins its largest, been watched to date in the hollow library of Hulu or perhaps on a shelf of dvds, you haven't looked at in a decade, is show that perfectly encapsulates life in the early arts and law. To friendship. Would inspire millions I I'm Zack graph and I donno phases.

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has allowed a legend surrounding his death, but as we saw when you, when you scrutinise this a lot of its normal other than the fact that someone apparently Stoa Skull and have they ve been passing around for free here's. This next tail concern someone who is purposely buried in secret and hopes that their body would never be found and it's a guy named Attila the HUN. But who is that? Who is that you know we ve never heard the name before, but you may only know the broad outlines of the tools that sounds familiar is kind of like that gang Guess, guy right not a genius, but sadly the gang is guy for sure but even the most prominent scholars in the field of people would actually be studying. Someone like until the Han consider this person Attila International Man of mystery of

it's not necessarily in Austin Powers, but you know get in that same ballpark yeah this. This guy, who appears to have come just out of the blue were released, is origins are somewhat more murky, became an incredibly terrifying in danger, conqueror. In the early fifth century he led a group of a group of communities that were ally together. There were collectively known as the honey empire they terrorized the eastern and western roman empires ideas of communities. Terrorizing an empire like that lay like some would be considered. Clans some would be tribe, some would be bands exactly would be conscripted slaves exactly issues of really interesting way to frame it, because, ultimately, that's what those groups are its community people working together for a goals. It just happens to be to tear

not quite as vicious says, your local h away from what I understand right, but at least the age or waste these in one place, the George this was inspired by until behind when he named Jabba, the hut. I think it's quite possibly. I think it's quite possible and ask him near he's kind of hard to get to it. Wasn't a compound is really got side during lunch. Ok, job of the whole people are still mad about those pre. As I read a very this. This has not too much to do with days episode but just decide now, because I don't think we can make a full episode about this. There is a fantastic fan: theory slashed conspiracy, theory regarding jar, jar being, and the principles the ass. The argument being that George, our banks, when Lucas like control the franchise, was originally intended to be revealed as a scythe. Lord, that matter earlier without men he was literally the

do everything in their first move and will eventually was gonna, be the key to everything in the whole series. Nan George, really like the character than he double down? You know what I mean: there's two each their own, but he double down. You can see Some videos arguing this theory and I gotta admit I'm not a hundred per cent per waited buddy made. You think it really did. Certainly in lobbying us if Lord in our minds- yes, yes, Lord in our minds and our hearts and our hearts. So the jar jar like Attila, the may well played a mysterious role in history We know We know what a pretty good bit about Lee movements of Attila and co movements of the and we know about their military campaigns, but most

The information about Attila himself comes from his enemies at the time. Which we run into a lot. You know people people home which is a writing about which is they're, not gonna, see the nice thing about witches and most of honey literature compounds the problem. Because it was passed down orally soup. You were just telling stories each other plain telephone again and bit by bit that stuff disappeared or got absorbed into other empires, people still donut, Leon exactly where Attila the hand was from, and they all so don't really know what he looked like, except for one description,

one paragraph from one guy who went to the court and people of made entire academic careers off off that paragraph, but fast forward is a conqueror not not quite as successful, probably Alexander, the great but a huge threat to the roman empire at the time he died and then he died and that's where our story began over here has exactly again he died some time in March of for fifty three at a feast celebrating his latest marriage, I and people are still arguing about exactly how he died. Surprise surprise to this day and there are four prevailing.

Theories about this theory. Number one is that in the midst of this soiree, this revelry and, of course, some heavy drinking the accompanying it. He suffered a severe nose, bleed and choked to death in a drunken bloody stupor gross, you're here through never to remember the children of the corn to movie. I could not tell you anything about the warehouse, whereas one far where they have like a voodoo doll, this woman and they stay stick a knife in her nose and she gets like a cheap bleed to death from a nose bleed. Can I picture this going down? Ok his theory number do they possibly again we're talking about heavy drinking at the party and something there is a complication because of this, but in this case, is in colonel bleeding. Something called a GEO viruses where these die

waited veins in the lower part of the esophagus in your your neck there, but lower a little bit. They rupture, leading to death by bleeding out hemorrhage essentially ah case, like he either blood out in the nasal area or in the throat area that We have got it out, coughing up what yeah Am I the way this was supermassive yards choking essential? You can't breathe yeah there's this other theory that was recorded about eighty years after his death by room and chronicler named Marcel Linnaeus and in their report, says Attila King, Huns and ravaged or of the provinces of Europe, was pierced by the hand and blade of his wife, so he said yet stirred his wife killed him. He just picked up. He was celebrating this his latest marriage. I think we'd said earlier. I he married pretty frequently these where political alliances and times and am sure in it

a few cases. These were not consensual marriages, yeah Marcel you mercy, Lion Marcel Limo years in a sea, Marcel Linnaeus did not mention which wife, True, I think we soon lose. His latest wife is easier said Ass theory is that he was assassinated by roman officials, which is just natural thing you would assume, because he was a terrorist and their eyes in order mean lawyer, might be caught so and what were roman officials good for, if not plodding, assassinations I was kind of their thing. We need is a big party where there's a lot of heavy drinking a little bit of their poison. You looked like he was choking yet, and so they say he's dead. The lakes blue blood exploded out of his face. Some

How we don't need no further questions, it sounded barium, so they get a triple, I guess a triple levels or triple shelled coffin. First, it's encased in Gold, that's the shoe everybody that he was a bawler, no literate, there he was wealthy inglorious ways. Out, though, is that the Corso between him? there's nothing between him and the gold, essentially right, ok, right and then over the gold silver too, oh that he's down with the moon in the river Alaska that he kinship with them right and then finally, iron, to show that he was moved

importantly, most outwardly, a tough tough dude nice, so they put some thought into it, but with a heart of gold, but with a heart of gold? Quite so just so, and this this is strange because here's where the story takes a turn myth in fact get very difficult to do initiate from this point on yeah. It's true hun engineers they had those the time are said to have diverted the tea. Sir River, long enough to dry up the main river bed where Attila was entombed in this magnificent sarcophagus. So then the waters were released and they flooded back over the grave site, and this is and this is a thing we ve heard about. Actually, I think this was the case with the burial of Genghis Khan, as well as the folks, the bore his casket sarcophagus too

site, where then murdered unequivocally and it's possible. They may have even known that that was going to happen, that they were like down with that, just for the absolute privilege and honor of being able to carry their their glorious leader them to his final resting place. At least their immediate family might know It's probably secret right yeah, maybe they weren't told LAO, but they had to do something was operate. The sarcophagus stood out and appreciate pointing out the similarities with Genghis Khan, because there's also that river legend about the con right. So maybe these stories get combined over time here but those who I mean, I love that idea that somewhere at the bottom of a river, that's where, until the Han rests in also points to a possible cultural or ancestral commonality between the the hunting community and the model

community some sort- you know at least in this scenario practice so yet, as as said no details ever emerged where exam please you buried. We all know we ve heard that is at the bottom of this river right. Sleeping with officious sleeping under the fish is technically yeah. I've, because that heavy coffee would have sank and quite possibly with untold treasures, yeah It does make. You wanted somehow find a way to travel a river and dislike with a metal detector something heavy. I love uncharted Miss Turner, untold treasures, but let speculating there was some like my neck pieces, and there are some chain wasn't revaluing, is already well acres, lucky not lucky, but you always whatever's prized us.

Word nor something yet probably varied, and full armor jewels, my possibly again encrusted ILO and things are encrusted. Maybe maybe worked bone carved bone again. Stone look at things like that, may be a bed bath and beyond card. No, not good enough. You can imagine how much money until the HUN Jiggers Carter somebody would have on a bed bath and beyond card. Dont think they paid for things through. I think they were just ride the horse in go reading here. But who knows without a coupon that would change it, maybe acceptable twenty percent off, its virtually free anyway, that's how we

the world and stop everybody from hurting each other's, so mad, hoop on silver, bad bath and beyond, and just give everybody gift cards man, I don't you know. I think I knock that mailer that they send out just because it is so big. Would They do get to your house lawyer course, dear. I'm a human being, and you have a bad, bad and beyond. I've always wondered what beyond I used to be honest, other non bed in bath related items kitchen will really. Hence the intonation you use when you hit be. I think I've mention this before, but this is particularly appropriate that this episode in my house town there's a store called caskets and more well, remember that ok did it to get is the intonation, but I think we caskets and more it's a it's a little more sinister. I love it though, and the fact that Attila, the HUN's grave site is lost to history until somebody diverts are river

just to see what what voracity there may be to the story that still hasn't stop cities- just in towns in the area from advertising themselves as the genuine location of the grave of Attila. The HUN, so, if you'd like to suspend your disbelief just a bit, feel free to travel to Hungary and then snappy selfie in front of any variety of here lies until the VON sides let me point out a river and there yet just point. You know what they are just pointed a river, so it's so morbid, but if you think about it,. Someone has died in every river on this planet, I hope I didn't just ruin rivers forever, you have, I want leaving out every creek over the water keeps flowing. So here we go there. One doesn't bother me as much wakes. Stillwell Lakes did Shaq Scott Benjamin about this. Before I go to break, we did in episode years and years,

about how many cars have been found in lakes when they draw up just even fifteen feet twenty feet from the shoreline. Its disturbing its way more than you think it just in the: U S far far Were all right? Well, let's go to like everybody, You know damn well attainable lake LINEAR of near where I grew up. There is some there's some craziness Adele Acres is man made it's all. You know who was flooded and everything. There are no natural lakes in Georgia and they everyone talks about how there is possibly a church down there and everything and they're all these legends about. What's at the bottom of this really mean king curse looking like that is wonderful, and I love lakelet here and go visit. If you get a chance, but it just has this creepy quality to it? they believe, there's some sand to that met, because there were structures there that were flooded. That's a true story,

yeah, but some of it is a little far fetched in my eyes. Even if you look back of historical record, some of the things that come out of pure legend, but their phone out, you know it. Let's have a creep, become station about this off here. Well, we're played a word from our sponsor. You owe me to turn into the park. Gas candidates talk what one with blue Joe brandy and marking Craig Waterman the pot brothers that law we are the world's number one part cast for everything cannabis. Now the podcast cannabis talk, wanna one. We all share a passion for entertaining and educating the cannabis community will be discussing the pros and cons of all things cannabis, including new laws and regulations. Listen, the candidates talk wanna, one on the eye: heart, radio, app apple podcast or wherever you get. Your part casts

Ok, I thought. No that's fine now yet to agree to disagree. I'm I'm! Ok with no! I know your post wrong. Are you had to see that we have to remember that we're friends we can't let these off air conversations tear our friendship apart. You right the media apply a little bit more of this We go here. We re mats on death's door right now, he's still here for you boil by you, I mean you, the listeners, he replied me in many ways of Sir Francis me too. I have my own resolution oak. You will lose other than room minding everyone vaguely of our parliament, Frederick, who is Sir Francis Drake. Well, was this fifty six year old guy that apparently, unfortunately died. When, in fifteen forty lived until January, twenty eight fifteen ninety six

and he was an English explore who is involved in things such as you might know of piracy. Illness slave trading, he also became the second person ever to circumnavigate the globe but his name. When you hear Sir Francis Drake you a lot of times, if you're, not a big history. Buff you just imagine in my head. This explorer is I'm speaking personally here, because his name has been mentioned in so many video games and all these things, but a lot of times you don't get the context, the full context, at least of what somebody like this their life and what they did yeah. He did white a bit He sailed around the globe when that was a big deal still is yeah right is still, as he was acquainted with a hall

of power, is definitely not a not a great person snowfall for a lie. The romance association you may read about Drake he's circumnavigation was also a pirate mission technically or in a way it almost China had to be in this weird messed up way, but I guess that's idea, that's the idea of I need to get supplies. However, I can it supports, and this is good for sharing what happened to him, because his expedition was officially a journey for knowledge of voyage of discovery, but he also had a secret agreement with Queen Elizabeth that, along the way on this score, uncle voyage of discovery he would attack and assault and terrorized the spanish any way that he could, particularly if it meant disrupting their shipping routes so who was soon is again to the Pacific. He almost meter

more of a priority to plunder spanish ships and rob ports than he did to actually go all the way around the world, and he he stole a lot of stuff. He eventually returned home from that trip as the world's most wealthy pirate new young knight, too, for his efforts right by the queen, he had knighted as well. And the spanish king put a massive price on his head from cars from fifteen. Seventy until the end of his life, this guy's out to get the spanish and King Philip. The second offered a bounty of twenty thousand dug its for his head. That was the equivalent of millions of dollars today, she's when he came back from his world wide piracy, escapades you're, right man, he was needed and then in fifteen

The eighty eighty participate in English, the feet of the spanish Armada and he went on to become a tremendously influential figure in his even in his own day, He died, and that is where our story begins in fifteen. Ninety six with this one. We do know how he died. He died of dysentery, so near secretly poison neurons, a guy exploding blood face, he went out organ trail style, he were Oregon trails. He did. He really did he never got the Oregon now without trying them so What did they do because the Spanish were on their backs? They hated this guy so much and for very good reason that they were actively searching for his corpse. Could they wanted to like do stuff too it yet and get the bounty from being filled should bring em they bring in the head.

What's do some stuff too, at first shirt, so Drake had a burial at sea, as was custom for a sailor type such as himself. He was buried in a lead lined coffin near the bay of a port. Tibet love a few miles off. The coastline is suppose that his final resting place is near the wrecks of two british ships, the Elizabeth and the delight which scuttled. Import developing yeah near he was planning on this in advance for die? When I die sink bishops sink meat. You bury me in a coffin in the dark depths of the ocean, because I do not want those Spaniards to get their hands on me.

He was also buried in full armor for his request, because he really did like his his plan was that if these ships were purposely scuttle, if he were buried at sea in a lead lie coffin to keep his remains from somehow rising rang theirs. They decay and separate that he would be able to prevent the Spanish from finding and desecrated, his remains- and that was his genuine fear. Like have you ever Anyone listening have you ever been at a point in your life, where you think there are people who are interested enough in your death that they were desecrate your body. I don't seem strange, very vets. That's out there, but in his case yeah people were definitely wanted. Disagreed his body some like had those those people living very high stakes, lives near definitely by yeah. I guess that's the whole point:

I mean I even realize that you could see all I guess yeah, it's obvious. You could seal a coffin at that point in time in history, a landline coffin actually get that much of the sea or water isn't going to sleep in where the weight is going to keep him at the bottom. That's that's intense. Francis Drake sees me, sir. That's right then sailed around the world. Robbing people blind can forget about that fast forward, two thousand

it is a guy who's. Sports teams is also a pirate enthusiasts. He reads a book about Francis Drake and he says you know what I'm going to find this fleet and this guy's body this pirate enthusiast and sports team owners, name Pat Crochet, like Jim Crucial, and he claimed that he in a team of his treasure hunters had discovered to ships off the coast of Panama. And the ships that they found. They believed to be the Elizabeth and delight which you mentioned earlier, nor Elizabeth, being a hundred ninety five tonnes ship in delight being fifty tonnes ship and, as you know, most speculation places drinks in coffins somewhere in that area and they focused on portable obey after they hired

I knew Trevor Mc Henry to pinpoint areas where the ship's might have gone down bites, very quickly they ran into a grey area when it comes to the protection of british shipwrecks when it comes to anything from the age of empire, that's right under protection of military remains act of nineteen. Eighty six british naval vessels anywhere in the world are protected from exploitation. However, there we're not obviate here, the other only covers certain ships which so, since nineteen fourteen in only british Citizens can be prosecuted under it, which is a bit of a problem that right so there's a lot of history and ships that sail before nineteen fourteen and if it's only many citizens, anybody else whose outside come in doesn't have to worry about this year. So this is where they get to an interesting thing. There's an organisation called the joint nautical

archaeology policy committee, sexy name right, though my heart you ve been pressing the United Kingdom's government for years to ratify some international agreements on the protection of what they will call underwater cultural heritage and so the guy in charge of the joint nautical archaeology policy Committee Scanning Robert York. I dont know if he's a relation to Tom, but he told the BBC. If our Drake ships. They are presumably sovereign and immune. So why isn't the british government telling these people to go away? If we ratify the convention, we can make sure they were properly conserved and looked after, but Panama did ratify the convention, so its government my act to protect the ranks of the ship and what they mean, These would say: protect the wrecked is not not to allow someone to it.

Tempting excavation or two in it to attempt an analysis of this site just because they want to you. No doubt you have to have government approval which be really really difficult, as we saw in our previous episode, exploring the lives and burials of never tedium Cleopatra, people in the modern taken at the fairy very difficult time trying to get government approval for any ancient site and it makes sense to every body to be able in just go somewhere and start digging right and as of now, recording it's weird. This was report in two thousand and eleven and we try, but we couldn't find much new information. So as of this recording, it appears drakes body has yet to surface and his secrets whatever they may be, remain safe in his watery grave. You just need somebody to go. Rogan

go down there and find it against all the governments wishes just go. Do it Nicholas cage? Yes, who we were involved new and or who else is a famous wordplay might frogman in the Navy, seals and stuff? We need the body Ventura, that's who in Jesse yeah when you Jesse to go down there in May, Jason state them can combine the Rockies December, a crack team of action stars just the expendable go far insertion, Sir Francis Drake. Please open watch it a bit different direction from the deafening watch it and that's that's where the story of drinks body ends for now, but so far we have just been

game at the graves of famous dunes. There is a nother mysterious lost grave here in the United States in New England, yeah veers, here's ears them the broad strokes, married dire. I was born Mary Berets in sixteen eleven. She was an english teacher and a colonial american p. Written, who became a Quaker and who was hanged in the Boston Massachusetts Bay, colony for repeatedly defying a puritan law, the band quakers from the car. She is one of the four executed quakers known as the Boston and martyrs. It's it's true. We might not be familiar to a lot of people because she may not be famous in the current celebrity sense. You sorry, Instagram Ray

but Mary Dire, was a tremendously important person in the world of religious freedom during their lifetime. Her sin was converting from puritanism to Quakerism, primarily because of these dot doctrinal differences. Quakers believe that people could interface directly with God or hear directly from God, without needing in middle amid layer and intermediaries like a clergyman or something is funny and twenty nineteen that doesn't seem like that big of a dealer that big of a difference, but my goodness, that is an entire paradigm shift for the power structure, yeah who might dangerous for dangerous for her and this. Yet this is a huge did. It threatened Edith.

Forty of the church leaders and the they were so threatened of this that they had already banned quakers from living? In Massachusetts dire, into exile in Rhode Island, but then she returned to Boston, to support. Two friends were imprisoned for their beliefs. All three were sentenced to death, but then, at the last moment they said no, you just banished get out of town. Don't return like the beginning of the witch except Mary Dire, came back again speaking out for religious, freedom, so she eventually was put to death. She was hanged, was buried in an unmarked plot in the one thousand six hundred and sixty and today we still don't know where the grave is was she buried. As some had said in Boston, Commons was body stolen and in turned on a family farm was put to the wind. Nobody knows, nobody knows,

and then we have with just one last thing. This is the thing that don't know about you guys. It surprised me when I learned about it still jobs, is buried in an unmarked grave, his family, and he specifically requested. Now we can't worship him. So. Can I go should look at my thing just yet just give you we all. What can we hope and wish and constant? We look at our phones all day long and these these laptops in front of his or her watch it Let's do. The worry was that people would go to his grave and either maybe desecrated or just try to leave their own intrusive tributes. The thing is this is, and this is in Silicon Valley, so many people feel that they have discovered the exact location and they will swear. It's confer in a cemetery: did you think of a dead? Give my grave? It would have been made

entirely of glass, like Apple store, what would looked like an apple store? They I mean, maybe it away. That's that's on brand, I guess are Ip Steve jobs in that guy certainly was innovator, but if you ve read any of that, some of his quotes terrible, seem like a real real for arable person. Domine falsely used handicap licence that, like car tags to so we could parking handicaps basis. Try to provide a counterpoint somewhere in here, kids. He doesn't acknowledge Stephen, The king puppies samarang Extreme Right, Wozniak, ok with you, the nicer to everybody's weird in their own way. Rancho. I guess we'll. Do it on apple in the future. Tell us you're, Steve Jobs secret. You know what else. You don't know everyone is in their own way. Man special, that's right, special who's, gonna be

so Mr Rogers yeah, that's a serious ip the jobs and me I like my phone, but I could take my leave, Mr Rogers, that guy was a national treasure. Unfortunately, fortunately we know Mr Rogers says location was resting place for the rest of these and again with just scratch the surface. Here, the question remains: will we ever find any of these graves in some cases, yeah? In other cases, apps We not because the people and scattered into the wind the remains had been made into buttons, their remit, It had been stolen by secret societies. That is true again check out up. As a one, but we have to end on some question you, we asked these earlier. What benefits to these searches have for modern humus, human civilization is, a waste of money should we focus on feeding the people who are starving to death. Now are loaded question

I know I know or because we can spend the other week or are we invest in the future by learning more about the past. Those are very, I think, they're both very strong arguments. Shore I asked question. We did the Genghis Khan episode. I it feels to me very much like a waste of time like who cares Then you pointed out very correctly ban that it does. There are artifacts that could teach us things about the past and are there to be discovered. Potentially, I was more hung up on the idea of having to know having to have the answers and understand you now being control in some way, but I see both sides Thank you guys are forgetting about all the gold there's a lot a goal and jacket silver buried under these rivers and next to the ships. We gotta find that goal Maybe the hardly ocean is down there. Maybe

maybe you're jealous ere. He would do don't lose hope, though, because, as for the defines long forgotten, resting places and these corpses that have disappeared. Can end on a somewhat less bleak note. We do find these things. I can't believe I forgot to mention this last episode. We recently discovered another famous royal body, King Richard, the third himself, the hunchback of shakespearian, fair his body was lost to antiquity until two thousand twelve, when somebody find the underneath the parking lot. It's that's, not a joke! there were not getting that's real, it's real Didn't really ever hunchback. Oh yeah, this and of being has occurred a couple of times, not necessarily the king or some one of the stature, what an inch sting unmarked grave. That was found underneath the building somewhere, where there's just been a bill,

infer a couple of decades and it just happened to get cemented over earnest. You know ever case bricked over or wooded over who would it over paved over brick, Dover, whatever it is built a top yet end? This is in a way and inspiring optimistic thing. We want to hear yours, priorities and we want to hear what you're takers is this worthwhile? Is this waste of time? There is the more out there. What what are some of the missing maybe in your neck of the global woods or If you were a treasure hunter, venture an archaeologist. What would your number one quest, but would be your oak island money pit for instance, and why you Let us know on Facebook at our community page here's where it gets crazy. When you can, where you can talk to the best one

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