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we are joined, as always with our super producer. Ball mission control, deck and, most importantly, you or you you are here- and that makes this the stuff they don't want. You to know is a big question, Many people don't think about as often as we should, which is simply put this. What does it mean? a citizen whether your time I've been a member of any community a citizen of a specific nation or on an international level, a citizen of the world. I do so many people so very often argue that the rights and responsibilities of citizenship are imperilled. What It means to be a citizen in twenty twenty two. I note which we look forward to what should we be mindful of this, challenging questions in some of these have been explored for thousands of years. so we didn't want to tackle them alone. We needed an expert. That is why, today, We are thrilled to be joy with the one and only a week

winning writer comedian philosopher, I would argue, and podcast her baritone day thirst, thank you so much for coming on the show. Also. I know it's kind of awkward to hear me list all that stuff like while we're on the call that you are you gonna do. Thank you. Thank you been nor and met for having me thanks for calling me a philosopher, unlocking that degree, paid a lot of money. For I guess I got to ask you that there was a clip from the new nor mcdonald thing, or he says he feel sorry for the rich modern philosophers when people call comedians the philosophers of the modern day. So what about the real philosophers of that year? You're both kind of that's pretty cool, cannot mean I stopped like thesis. I didn't but a thesis that ain't gonna, grad school and, like pick a part, a single problem, but I'd I'd like to elect s, question I, like a bigger part, answers. There were given I think we share that. Actually, the four of us and listening to your show got a lot of questions and

creasy, eight, the wrestling, the intellectual wrestling so amateur philosopher, proud to say, death, so yeah we of quick back, brown for everybody. We connected in person a number of my ago? I can't remember how many sought by south west end. He decided, I think we all decided to become fast friends, because Matt Nolan, I survived the very difficult position of speaking directly after you, sir, I'll be out here. Opening acts are free. represent wrong. Maybe it's pretty wrong

I mean I don't know it was good to see you out there watching us too and language. You smiled a few times. That's how I knew we kind of did. Ok, because we would have greatly Dave grabbed by your presentation in your whole violence. I say presentation, that's not what I watch on you're, just speaking here speaking my reform and monotonous l, that's what we're performance is almost a misnomer till you have rapid things in some performative elements, but I think you do so you in an ideal lover, even your ted talk. Now we see the semi that you wrote in that has beats to it, but I just feel like I'm, seeing a person and are experiencing a person. Andrews, isn't me com, montague. Basically I am a big fan, but I love compliments, I'm I'm a rare person. There really Appreciates validation also, well, let's get into why you were there, my we're talking and in discussions, so you're an author either in the tunnel books. I am proud

we most interested in keep jerry fall well away from my oreo cookies, the slightly less alone. Ok, no research. I've got applies to acknowledge the real research giving you said several books and like he must be counting the self pub once a kinko's? Oh yeah, yeah? Oh, yes, you have also, you know you do you shouted congressional pages, even in the titles of your books, early love in this light, but you're a podcast her and you ve you been making because content for a long time, withers as a guest or you know creating different shows, but the one have you want for today, the one we really want to talk to you about is how to citizen, and at that talk you are you telling us about why you made that show how it came to fruition. I love frida. Just tell our audience. I got that story just a bit yeah, hello, audience and their today and when I tell you a story,

about anger, frustration and transformation of those emotions into something healthier loathing. social emotional learning that some parents a threat like as they want their kids to be worse than them, but that's another chapter, so I was I was frustrated. I was firstly with the news, something think you can identify with, and in my telling and expense is the news is designed two disempower us. We should hear a lot of bad news. We your problem, we hear about powerful people, often some distance and location is we the listener them You were the watch. You we're powerless, there's all these problems, but there's there's no one doing anything about it and the living. We're asked to do is to tune. eleven for more despair and that story didn't line up with another part of my experience was My actual life, which is filled with amazing people who are doing things

who are doing things proactively constructively compassionately to try to whatever version of their world better and asked I can't we hear more about those people. Why can't we be given something to do precisely some more disaster and occasionally vote, which is this empowering act. But, quite honestly, also a little bit of an abdication kind of active. it's a deferential act, it's its outsourcing act right, I'm giving an elite person, some of my power and hope that they are so my bath and I get a hold them accountable. A couple years from now so vote, super important. I'm never never going to say don't vote, but there are many people who can't in a few retrograde states, because they committed a felony in most of the world, because their children right there alone

people who exist in this world who contributed this world who can't vote in this world. So there's gotta be other ways to exercise their power. That's that's all. on set up the day when faced with such a challenge in such restoration. I did when anyone who wants to change the world would do item eight of bacchus called how to citizen, to help us interpret citys as a verb, not this down there. We used to divide us along these border lies, but instead like what, they look like to look to tipp to embody what would it look like to live out as sort of active participation in our self govern beyond just the voting thing, and so that question has be gotten three season of episodes about forty something episode, then we're gearing up as of this moment for our forces as you

beyond conspiracies outside. Now we have what we have to ask at some point. I mean there's plenty of those to go around richer and more about the kind of talk about one firms like at langley, and in this fluency and how words get other words that are a kind of designed to make us think of ourselves differently right, yeah, that's one of the questions. You have one thing that really struck me: where is initially learning about how to citizen is the that exploration, of citizenship. As a verb, I mean it's, it's no secret at risk, turning cynical that there are any power structures in the: u S, who had kind rather you're, not vote depending on your demographic and spending, the time you know making a boring making it bring convenient yet all difficult and cryptic yes, yes,

exactly so that gives us the. I think that empowers is to talk about the danger of passivity, and I will interesting learning. What advantages we discover when we re. frame this concept of citizenship or citizen ray, I should say as a verb like what what does that mean to citizens? Oh, my wife and I came up with the set of belief system that powers there The answer to the question how to citizen- and this was her insistence she's like before. We go out here. Tell the world. How does it isn't We should understand what we think it means, and so we consulted the sacred texts. Are we did the constitution Wikipedia our inner souls and- and we listened to our very early guests who are kind. Co founders of this project, because they were they were chosen, especially because they

been wrestling with these questions. They are philosophers and advocates, and an active citizens One is a woman in valerie core whose written a beautiful book called see. No stranger and in her shorthand is a stranger. Is a part of me I do not yet know and there's a beautiful can Mrs empathy to that which unlocks a whole different set of relationships and in the second guess, was Eric Lou, who founded something called citizen university, so me. Elizabeth Valerie, Eric had a asynchronous constitutional convention and came up with these four pillars of what it actually means. The citizen number one show up and participate just assume that there is something to be done on that. You have a role to play as an act of sport. Gideon

feel number to the citizen is to invest in relationships with yourself with others with the planet around it. We can't do the citizen thing alive, otherwise we just a bunch of individual atomic units trying to do everything for ourselves, which is extremist like I can't be? the house, I can't make a vaccine, I tried to make a vaccine, it was a delay whiskey cocktail, but it did not stop the cove. It so I need other people, I selfishly need other people. For my own best interests to be realised and the planet is other No is another part of me as well. I think a lot of us have been fed this story. There were only here to dominate earth not to relate to it and not to contribute to it and to understand ourselves. I mean a lot of us feel pressured to almost like issues.

Eight minutes as if we were communications, directors and half of the major brand or nation state and I dont know, is an acceptable response, but we have to create space and time to get to know and said to checking. but how we feel and a lot of us, especially as men, are discouraged from acting with our emotions in any healthy way, and so it ends up in violence quite often because that acceptable from it. So It's not just the vote. It's like how we are members of society together. I spent a lot of time on this relationship. One number three to citizens to understand power, one is their power structures. We have power in many different forms. This was eric, lose great contribution. We have power with our money with our voice with our time with whom we spend time with with where we place our attention lot of us given a lot of power to tick tock right now, because it

very good at taking our attention, is that our choices that serving us and then lastly, we do all these things to citizen is to deploy all this obviously showing participating the investing a relationship understanding power, we don't just do it individual cells? We do it for, as I like to think of it, our collective cells, and there is. There is an eye that greater than just me right. There is a week that we are also a part of it we're lookin out for each other, and we recognise our interdependence, then, when we're considering others were also considering ourselves. If we set things up and a healthy way- and I think it our country, in particular in the? U s we ve over the text on the third, the rug individualism, and so we, created as well. We can't trust anyone. I deep throat trust, no one, and so don't trust anyone! You have course you by thirty guns and you put them because wall around your house and you you school,

Your own kids euro, whom you have your own basketball, cordial. You recreate a whole society for one, and that is very inefficient and less joyful and that they would get out of this. Is u partly ass like what happens when what is what do we get from? What did we feet? What does it feel like when we're citizen in these ways we feel less alone. We feel more supported. We feel more content. We feel more. Six you're security. Doesn't just come from my solo ability to use gun gun food. Like John wick, you know it comes trusting the people around me and that they'll look out when I'm asleep That is a level of security that cover the whole point of self government and people power. So it just looks like

whole thing while in another whole nailed it. I don't know about the whole individualistic angle like is intended to be because a term that always MR my when I think of the word citizen, its preliminary data, this waiver, there's a modern held together is the idea of a citizens arrest. You know you, like tv, show that cop shortly I'm exercising my right and doing a citizen's arrest on you criminal, but now it's kind of late with the people doing citizens arrests- are like care. Ends in casual races and oftentimes. It involves killing, the person that you're citizen arresting, because they frighten you because they looked different the near or that you think they're up to no good when in fact, they're just living their lives and maybe year even you, ve moved in to their neighbourhood and now their threat to you, but you I used to seeing somebody the looks like them. doing stuff that they're doing that actually post, authority. Can you talk about

a little bit. It was. It was in your ted talk you expressed here early and just this idea the modern day, citizens, arrests and what that means that the great answer days you man, I never heard anybody put it that way, and I even thought of it myself. So thank you. That's the beauty of like put in anything in the world. Other people pick it up and they remit you like. Oh that's, a dope addition to the original draft. Ok yeah, yet many people feel empowered to impose. You know their perspective on others. Many people are in power, to have their fears, restrict other folks, and so let me take it out. The abstract were white people in the united states have been trained to process their fear of blackness. Through the state through the apparatus of policing policing. of its original intentions was as lave catch it

However, when I found that out with just a few years ago like this, is the work is black lives matter wrist fact I have ever Who came up with this mumia. You know cover it came from like the national museum of policing, in Washington DC, like they acknowledge on their own website, That's that's really deep and so there's a reflex there's an over used muscle when something, as you put it feels threatening. other doesn't belong. We don't engage. We broadly rich people. Why people like those who have some sense of bubble. Security secured we're talkin, interracial concepts. Here's a white people have been trained. You don't say hello You feel type away. You feel threatened because media's trained you that these people are monsters and they're, probably gonna slit your throat. you'll. Take your child from you

burn your house down like all kinds of terrible things going to happen, so it's best just call an armed person to the scene instead, instead of saying like hey, what are you doing here, Can I help you? How are you going to be like a really dope response to just seeing a person who never seen before, but a lot of folks don't have practice? They have the other muscle, the fear so I think the citizens arrest in that sense that the calling the cops The unfamiliar is a logical extension of us. Then that is your dehumanize. So many of us and them vented others from connecting to their own humanity as well, because it's actually I'm not sure the dehumanized. When, in the story, I give your first risks, to a stranger is. I must call an armed agent of the state to the scene to deal with them than I continued blossom a year, humanity to we're gonna pause just for more,

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I think that we are supposed to give in giving give and do and do and tell there is nothing left, and we also have this complex around stopping to take care of ourselves zeal associated for so many people, and this. This warped idea that self care taken care of yourself is a selfish act when, in fact it is mandatory, listen to care walks on the iheart radio app or wherever you get your podcast. and we ve returned. Just add a farmer trying pieces together Burton right. Go I grant you. I got you imagining the same. I'm Naturally, one person right of those who I think about an example earned allegory though, sin who was in power or by the state historically to feed

the other in that way. In this case, blackness, it feel like in our modern age of technology of interconnectedness through a computer. a person has lost their faith in the the our structures that empowered them initially to feel that way. So it's as if I'm I'm seeing this vision, of but he who, nato, has so much fear in their life as your time building castles around them to try protect themselves and their family from whatever it is that threatens them. It is now, also afraid of the economic, and governmental structures that, like create their power I don't I don't know what I'm saying I just I had always leary Matt mac completely though I get it to work. Think again, yaller bring in some new flavors did a recipe. Is

fighting you reminded me of a scene of the movie Judas in the black messiah, It is about him, infrared hampton and the black panther party in Chicago any the scene. Where he's your he's been pulling together. This right oh coalition before Jesse jackson came on the scene with better of of black panthers of of puerto rican activists and of poor white folks and he rose up in this, gathering of, I think, is called the young patriots. Don't hold me to it. People should look it up. Do you? Research but they just look it up and then he gets out. These are given a speech to these very young. Racists white raises any would have this less and the poor white folks had got together. Let the masses through You're you're schools are shooting. Is our schools, the cops disrespect you should they disrespect does, but they got you thinking that you're one of them and so what you describe reminds me of that speech. Rosy, that's easy because you ve got.

An apparatus that was set up explicitly to benefit certain folks at most, at the top of our list, land owning? Why your christian protestant men more people that included into that club overtime. Why women it included more other immigrant, why groups that were considered animals it is a human and then to white that we set about legal and economic structures like you can buy a house you care by us, and you serve in this way. You don't serve in this way and you get the sap education and you live near the pollution and the problem with that system is that it didn't really benefit a lot of those white people either. it was a nice divide and conquer game that benefited those at the very top. Even more and folks are rightly angry, no less. Let's, let's get more specifically this, let's give up

mercosur. I've, just a poor white man, who's not rich, never felt privilege, Dana's life working class. This systems that really work in their great no hope we always suicide rates, are up for it as group of people The wealth inequality, no good jobs, but that guy it's only been told what you're better than these more focus and and and and buff or he's even encouraged to think he's given an answer. Is the muslims? It's the mexicans. It's the trans, kids it's the black guy in chicago gangbanger, it's obama is george soros. It's the bankers. Like it's. The whole story is pre packaged and shipped. I need a goes like fast food. There. Comes to your house right and see you

Here's write to me ass, I wasn't unravel or verify ever anger is so justified. Has been bamboozled he's been shook, he's been I'd, wait by he's got its way, you know- and an he's been made to victims eyes, even as he's been victimized and to turn on register that well practice muzzle ways, properties, black people's bodies, monkeys, probably them- that is a very effective strategy for keeping people disempowered? and it doesn't have to be the only way Linda Johnson. You know completely you know, went on record. We would later I'm saying the same late very much the same thing for, albeit so machiavelian purposes re, but the the thing that I think helping those sorts of explorations.

Something to let me I am saying this correctly: I'm not gonna beat. I wanna keep empower keeping it in to figure this out Will we also see, I think, this This really interesting tendency that wasn't aware of for many years, which was in the halls of government people started like I did representatives who, in theory, represent you lake, like started using the word consumer instead of citizens like in place of that, and it was one of those moments where you look around and you think I am, I the only one who gets it. It's like when I figured out the main ingredients. Soy sauce is soy and I was like. Oh, I thought that was just the name same really think about it, and this, like I'm so

glad you have this platform than I do that every every week I get one of those obvious like everyone else, except me, my wife is like. I thought you were smart right in the same boat you I think, but that's the only thing in in what love about what you're saying about a greater I called a wee is the idea that in the ways that matter people are very much in same boat, and there is here we go back. enforced on the show, questioning the amount of intention behind things like a feeding people. Pre packaged fear responses. You know is this something that is like Is there really some shadowy cabal in a lobby lobby,

for new washington going and then they'll think of pollution. We have a lake. We would like it to their actual accelerator property like yeah, we build manuvers fingers and everything like the big. How should I know a lot of our listeners constantly asked themselves as well is how much of these sorts of larger, like macro situations? How much Are they by design and you re too? What? Yes? Oh so I stumbled into the meeting. One day I was gonna jerry, gonna, Bob daddy's, big cigars, they were divided up. Land in were breaking the races. They were determining what currencies. We're gonna go up the next week and I just I don't wanna get taste. I just moved on to the next room, which was a nice poky. My meeting have these people? Do guys intention and- and there is culture

I'm remembering one other thought on the previous point we were discussing when I think about the m. Charlottesville dickie torch rally and you will not replace it. in June- will not replace us an end. These men, for whom this holes Some was desired. Second pillar, Maybe there then absurdity there and I think it's the absurdity of the entitled actually approaching a fairer marketplace and not know what to do with themselves. Cuz. It feels tilted against them when you actually have to put forth a little more ass. I want those guys to be liberated from that mindset. You know it's. It's is tat I saw many guns for fear of a government that still structured to advantage you that's all you're, my super twisted.

That is really like it literally your government will be heard I voted. Sides are like rigging the gave against. Like I don't know, I don't want to whack that are there. I just mean it's not it's an umbrella man and they're all eighty ever goals and ends that are beyond our pay great and that we will never benefit I'm or or you know, you'll be able to revel in matter who you are or how white you are, whatever lagging It is not a thing and like again to your point, I'm not saying don't go is the we ve got down the vital phil, oh disempowered, no matter where there's a whole big raw when you have like it, obama victory Much lesser degree, abiden victory or whatever side of the fence your on, but that's just kind of smoke and mirrors, do it's like all: here's a little shouted dopamine and then let's get right back to the status quo, where a middle yeah. Obama's election for me was like a baby,

in actual fact, through my only earlier different exclamation, I think, to this system design perspective? I don't subscribe to illuminati level explanations for why things by the way they are. I think incentives explain a lot. I think culture can get established. And we can as humans, which is very capable of creating perverse culture, that doesn't really serve most of us, but it rewards enough of us that we stay in it and most of us don't like any kind of change. Most of us are very risk, averse people. So over decades and centuries we end up. in the absurd situation of like all in the wealthy country in the world and also like largest number of unhoused people in the largest prison population and the large poverty rate and the largest maternal mortality rate. We clearly quantify

We have the resources take care of more of us, but we ve got this store yeah like what, if you're poorer than you are also a bad person. your immoral in some way to rich, you clearly earned it and worked hard and that, because we set up the tax code to advantage you and how? minors, which is only available to wealthier people, its cause, your job, more worthy as a person and if not just rich people who accept that poor people to who as all poor. We were all your life Maybe what did I do wrong? I'm gotta pray harder and risk we, some just that great! Yes, it must be so amazingly great, that out. I should pay less and taxes on a percentage basis, then the paupers that's my spiritual reward, my fiscal reward for my quality spirit, and I don't think I've teeny tiny committee decided all these little things. But I think we concentrated enough decision making authority and enough resources

And we only ask the people winning from those resources to set the rule. For themselves, which I would do like if, if I'm five years old- and you say, make your dietary rules on like ice cream ice cream ice cream, all the friggin ice cream. What this actually getting our meares and to not gonna get someone to voluntarily broccoli here is just like a cat, compete with ice cream, and so we reach we're supposed to have checks and balances suppose every representation, but even that systems also been captured by folks for whom the system is already disproportionately working. I suggest you, even further- and we end up. You know in this very unhealthy place, we're in a super. It's like the common way. I could describe this, the embers of civil divorce slashed civil war were in now, very unhealthy and in

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often times we get it really twisted. We think that we are supposed to give in giving give and do and do and tat. There is nothing left, and we also have this complex around stopping the take care of ourselves, gill associated for so many people, and this. This warped idea that self care taking care of yourself is a selfish act when, in fact it is mandatory, listen to care walks on the iheart radio, app or wherever you get your podcast And we have returned: let's go back into it, I'm thinking back, two dozen forbear to day when you're writing better than crying in

you're talking about president cheney, OECD. Vice president janey, I was a great leap purposeful, just thinking about the past, bombs that we were facing at the time, your tackling them with comedy and, like the title says better than crying, we can release poke fun at absurdity? That's occurring re now the people that we have elected to represent us I'm, just wondering in your mind, as you ve watched, ex evolve in our interconnectedness through social media. In the way we can all comment now and we can all get on twitter and say something. How has the discourse evolved on the way we think I know it's all right, I speak for the whole internet, Burundi, but I mean what have you observed: How have you observe the discourse on politics change throughout those years, since two thousand, for I'm a long time,

user and practitioner of the technological arts I may have been alive since ninety three issue with dial a bullet boards. My mother was a computer program. I was born back in seventy seven have had a computer. My house, and maybe six years old, which is super rare for anyone of any means any religion, any race anywhere in the world. So I'm in a one percent of my own, just that stand alone and so on, Mostly was gay technologies. Awesome like empowering and everybody has a voice in this beautiful thing we're all connected, and it is still a beautiful thing there's so, Let's go there. A lot of people find a community that were previously alone, but it's not just I sort of subjugated reinhard he's. It's not just previous. The marginalize folks, it's also nazis, like as is used to have to work a lot harder.

To find other nazis, yet like create a print zeal and put adds in like a newspaper, classified section with appeal by does anyone have you a check to meet a bit like the roadside stand at an odd. Our you'd try hard, and now the algorithms find you invalidate. You answer the discourse. isn't just among people among machines intermingled with people who have far of a sense of morality, their optimizing for a different outcome? optimizing for popularity their optimizing for time. Besides in time on screen and engagement is very neutral terms quite

finally neutral but morally very skewed end, and I think that internet behavior, where everybody gets this right to like addressed the whole world instantly without a sense of responsibility for that right, has infected. I our role now, so we have members of congress. For multiple party perspectives performing like tik tok, yours may, on the floor of congress, georgia and have you know, you're a shared and aims. I will yeah, I'd watch, a political add in georgia, had a friend visiting formulae and are these political adds with like ants trans lay there. You know the gazer infecting the minds of our two. They just say that on tv here, yet insane.

So the comments section is in our legislative bodies and like the worse parts of the comet section, but it comes back to his own I can do a real good diagnosis like anybody else. I'd like to get my like prescriptive had all forsake, because I set up this bar gas How does this in dhaka? Because our tired of just like all, and so we have with the internet, has corrode all of our institutions and help reveal them. before for what they were doing and what they were not doing that they said they were doing. Trust in everything, is lower than has ever been like the nba, the church, the state, the banks, like anything with the in front of it, were like I'm not mess with Adam Yes, I guess I do my own research by We set our internet up in a particular way and we the word community when we did it, but what we were really setting up were

commercial establishments where malls we set up a place for business and we called it a public square. and we had a guest on our part as eli paris her in this most recent season and and would have everywhere you in Iraq, with any one was a small. What, if you went to church inside the mall would have your dates for all at the mall What if your jim was at the mall? Would if you, where you took your kids to learn how to walk was at the mall? That's what facebook is that's. What twitter is we're at them to be all this other stuff when their them all and and we ve just thrown people in, call them a community, but there s not it that, if any community that I'm a part of for real, I know the people. There is a sense of we're here. For a shared reason, whether its pickle ball or justice, human hooligans and theirs,

expectations. There's norms is essential, like this is out ally. We don't do that here. There's some kind of warm up before I like a full membership experience. Does it there's an unofficial patient airy period. Where the kids were already at the school, show the new kids with up you don't give them who kid at a new school, the microbes when an assembly, if they say whatever you want really body now go now just let me raise the age, you think that's insane, but we have free speech, but we restrain ourselves out of a sense of shared commitment out of a sense of risk. possibility and belonging and in what we want to experience. I don't you when I hear people yelling was on their minds all the time, but that's what twitter is that in a damn the eurozone. We could still immunity and all of these community terms of learning,

gatherings of people is audiences. It's their mining, us literally, but inciting trafficking in our data. But it's not the kind of rules and norms that you're talking about and its citizens, ro there just over time, make it less not suffice. Maybe, but it's still too little too late on the back yard ass. They work no one who understood how people enjoy gathering with envy in setting up these digital gatherings basis. For the most part, there were others. You know we had a guest on from, though from bahrain. Alternatively middle eastern nation. She set up this one social media network for energy, bt, q plus people in the Middle east, so by some definitions in those countries she's. She set up a network for criminals for people who are punished violently

for being who they are so sure to be very cautious and clarify she set this up and they made trolling so difficult, because they want you, don't just get the keys to the house. I hate you go on board. You gotta, like just even read, only mode four like seven days, then you get to unlock these different sections site, then you get the ability to tag somebody else and messaging, but you ve got a bag, a certain way. You unlock the privileges like any healthy. Environment, we ve all been a part of so A month later, you have pretended to be a good person. And now you want to start doctoring, someone like that. Doesn't that doesn't happen. Most people most trolls or lazy? Just like most spammers like you? Do it, because it's cheap and easy, I can send a death threats

to every member of congress in the next thirty seconds. Why is it so easy tax that shit just such an interesting outside, because your centrally providing exposure therapy to somebody who may have like almost always views? there I m in addressing them in their community. That's real! That's great What episode that is? Our name is Ezra I'll, shoppy I'd s, our and it's in the season three, I don't know they episode number and I can't think of a title. The second is something about scale like scale is bullshit I we all know can benefit from that, and I am very guilt. I've just having judgments about people who I dont have experienced wit, and I shall wear my talking points grab, whatever the latest factoid that the internet gave me and, unlike I'm informed here, my opinion and I don't start with a question. I start with the imposition of an answer, and that's not good for me either

It's not like I'm just saying, like conservative right wing people are uniquely wrong. We are all wrong, but we have created tools, where we are made to feel righteous as well as right and in justified in that right. as really now healthy and its exhausting actually exists. Get angry about everything all the time I'm sorry, I'm granting the right way. Sir, are you wanna shadow that is, move slow and fix things season? Three epithets your work. I thank you here soon I was too lazy where our community is there. Anyway, I can figure, we got all, there's listen, I'm all you can go to highlight. I mean the idea, though, funked it's brilliant. The idea of earning trust right that Other big part of the community. I love the. I love,

school analogy. I love the idea. The idea of great mall, because you, whenever we hear people talking often italy tune in at the six, clock news for more bad shit. I, as sadly, There's this notion that the private for profit entities the matters, the meeting the twitter. Etc, should have some sort of moral compass and that's it is a definition of morality for a large for profit entity. Its morality is profit ear over year. That's kind of the closest he gets too so, but the question then becomes How can one, how can one attempt to built in actual community in this mall. That's gonna be stuck in my head organically from scratch. He can't legislate ina, these other

company not sell on this product. The you're describing and it doesn't make sense for them to sell a could that you talk about scale scale this with facebook. It's too much work, people work. Let me there maybe a surrender assuming some. If your gun. Always to generate as much attention as possible. You'll do one thing if your goal is to create. much of a sense of belonging community as possible. You do another thing and a lot of the way our internet was built. This finance by very small group of people who wanted one thing to get rich as fast as possible. We're rich people wanted to get ten times richer. Error there were millionaires ones to be billionaires and that's cool like I want to make more money than I make, but they

took that desire and used it to design our de facto public space and that's not a choice we should have to go along with. We should have digital public spaces as what, but you know, Eli and his organization new public perspective it, and I, like that the idolizing too many things I oh mom. There is a limit to even my own sense of faith in like our ability to do the self governing thing, so there We all have a good and positive experience. It was something What are you said a little while back just about the vote and they are young. Oh, you know you're, not gonna wanna, not voting breast. I don't love activity whose rugged sea legs and we have the numbers are in our representatives. Dont represent us their their votes a lie more with their donors than with their constituents. We also can see why.

Eighty, eight percent of us want something like universal background x on firearm sales? We still don't get it, because fifty people refused to do their jobs? Does now working? That's broken. We see the electoral college, you know given the time of influence to states with far fewer people the same states that held slaves, which is partly. Why was design that ways you go back to system design? There is a great vatican's. here is what it's out in the open. You couldn't villa caused. The deuce learn what he's as you don't need to go. As far as like george soros, to arrive at some of that stuff, you can go to our phone founding fathers ADI. They did that. Are we gonna fix it? They gave us an amendable constitution to within a day I'm going to make equal rights in amendment as well, for women, maybe so I don't like the stuff. At this very moment, I'm a bit On the nice edge of I'm, a hopeful cell

I believe, and we, the people animals and what the fuck. what is going like. Where do we draw the line at easier Whether it's the shootings or a row, roll back, the buffalo or the volley or by the time you hear this, insert new tragedy. It's a template. Now, If you have an end, that is on the ability and the unwillingness of our government to actually represent the will of the people on the health, the interests of the people. It is a failure and we we have to. We have to fix that. our other just keep failing, so I'm looking for answers myself. I have a few ideas, but I, nothing like it. It's way rigid because I was talking to to some my associates, who are not me, in the u s and I think, there's there's a danger in human psychology. It can be beautiful,

where's dangerous? How quickly the strangest things in the most unclean things become normalized right. Like it's just always been that way. Talking to take into somebody from europe, south america. Talking to somebody from your the middle east or australia, something music and they, he will ask about politics about the vote right, you say: well, we're very sticker motivated for the most part. So about every four years we get line we want to have a sticker deposed on social media and we, you know its voting. So there's like not really not really bribery and the like. Oh what what would you have then like? What we call it lobbying as though those votes are you just can't say to be word, but you can still eliminating any. So it's tough with money,

gets reduce down, is like thought, terminating cliche of money. In politics, until people for terminating cliche. Yes, not I in turn should re. Not our vat is great. I think it works yeah. So what late? That's one of the that's one of the big questions. In my mind is the you know. People are credibly intelligent for the most part people are. Jordan, extraordinarily intelligent and can smell bullshit, about a kilometer away right if they really think about it, but I I I as a result of that, it's It is highly unlikely that anybody who really pays attention to what, system is supposed to be in theory, right and aspirations of warm verses. What we see in practice do when you are talking with with, these great minds on how to citizen do you? Do you find it

dolphin, your guest kind of like I'm worried balloting. Already I'm falling into a cycle of like this socks, but then so this socks and then also doubt you going on, do you feel, like you you like how to citizen but you all our guest arrive at at concrete. You know these are things to do now. I know that part of it. Yes, yes, they do until we're glad you did you set out at the short answer have been terrible at during this time is yes, we we created a template ourselves to make sure to put action in every episode, so we give people can a three ways to approach whatever the topic is in the first three is like a personal reflection, I think of it single player mode, and you can do this by yourself. You don't need you, but now

the other is is, is be informed, and so you like go learn something go, get alum and then a third is publicly participate, and that's them key player a real time mode because it takes all three levels. Wheat selecting, is, I think, really important I mentioned earlier, but I think a lot of us just skip that stage, and so we have all these emotions and they show up at a school board. Meeting screaming teachers for being groomers It's just an emotional response like reading offer prompter without just thinking twice, The old like this. Is this? How I want to show up in my community right now? Is this the image a lasting image of my neighbors to have me would like a pitchfork screaming at the school board. four grooming, kids, british, like china, have look on the shelf, the has two moms at it. The we don't paused there, I just so quick to act,

So I think again they say what do you, like? Your investing release relationship with yourself, so every episode we ve got sets of actions. You got over a hundred things that people can do. We have the citizen. Dot com would like a catalogue of action and. There is salvation there is some satisfaction, In the local and I think a lot of us. You know we were. We have nationalized our sense of citizenship and the congress asian about it. We just think of like amerika and the country is that a constant You ever, we think about, like our neighbourhood, may, we think about our city, but even a lot of us, live in massive cities that are beyond human scale. are we looking out for are we connected with the people right around Are we showing up do even know where the nearest elementary school is? Are we volunteering there

Do we have a relationship? Amassed these of course humbly. Ask myself right now I gotta have kids, but there many schools right around? I I joy the school walk out no way just last week it was it a plan was so angry. I been crying all week in between meetings and flights. and I went for a walk, a very aggressive height to just try to sweat out summoned his anger, and I took it that was it anticipate when I don't usually taken. I heard these chanting now, just as pays now, just as healthy. The very young voices. I see these kids come down the street and they at their signs in here. Like take our guns, not our children take our guns, not our children, and I start crying and legists chanting with I'm so proud of you. So sorry we failed. You and I walked like fifteen minutes with them

people are hogging in their cheering, and you just see their rights motion likes high school is supposed to be torture, but not like this right is supposed to suck and hurt, but like this is supposed to be for puberty and hormones and acne and first everything's Earth loves infers kisses, not first shootings, in also by but I do know as much as I was ranting unlike consuming and downloading and tweeting. I felt the best when I was physically next to people who even closer to this challenge and I didn't leave the march at an organised shit. we're gonna get coffee, but I I pay tension and I joined in four like fifteen twenty minutes- and I put them on I'd use by an interview for you in there amplify their day and they worry sat habitat

some support, and I had a healthy outlet for my reach for a moment, and I think all of us it's up to double down one that you'll find something close to us that we can really sink our teeth into put rap our arms round. There is no shortage of challenges, but his eyes no shortage of people approaching those challenges. You know with a spirit of citizens, So I want us order. I'm trying I'm selling myself right On my own, the least, I guess it's been hard. It's been a hard a couple of weeks. While I was going to pay, q, specifically for taking your pardon descriptions so robust, like you put. Some of those actions that you can take in the park has descriptions who, as your listening, you can reads, those actions in literally take notes should be taking notes when you listen now to citizen. By the way.

thanks for that year and in the webs we have full transcripts siena. We want people to why make it accessible, search the site. Look for your thing. We have really don't why episode bonus episode about homelessness and There are things we know that work and a lot of our leaders and multiple cities and counties and states arduous failings and that's not up. That's not a party thing either, I'm a red, sir Democrat. I've lived only in cities while no your cat bloomberg for a time boston. We had a republican governor, so I'm probably more there are seven. I imagine at any rate, MIKE county here in los angeles, has been lay greatly negligent. Having raised billions of dollars for the problem spend less, a hundred thousand dollars per unit of housing. That's dumb, that's wasteful! That is ineffective. but we have someone who has a better way as it now is up to me

Shall I go to a meeting or write a letter or join in a volunteer effort to try to give more momentum to the thing that is actually working in that justice. Do that's books when we get to in the second season. You focus on economics, at least to my ears. That seems wait nor you did, and you have all these take a ways. I wonder if there's any you can impart to us anybody listening that maybe was able to somehow, against all odds, save just a little bit of money that that's extra like what the heck Should we do that money in order to help each other in our community, where, report hush. I am so glad you asked my my if, though, while at address is barely and if you just want the people, it's all for the users hard

I will I'll take so long as well as we can work in dignity, multi chain of events, each aigner did she, but you knew that was good, that those can really that's really good question. So to two things come to mind: one is banking out When we put our money in a bank, we are good. an institution power, my we we are distributing our power and saying hold this for me and. do whatever you want with its multiply And give me like a half a percent, maybe one percent, if we're in an aggressive your high yield savings are killed so two point two percent and While you can go. Do credit default swaps and all kinds of high the leverage nonsense and with my money- and you can,

extracted from my community and ship. It's a places that have no benefit. the people I love, no, a care about. We can make a different choice with our bank We know if it's ten dollars in the bank, if it's a hundred thousand dollars in the bank. who do you want to benefit from your money? Think about that think about it like that? Don't think about it, just as I've who's got the best app or who's got the most present brand. Who were you excited to? Let to your house, you, your money, it's your! You worked for it and he's gonna go it's some random company. Am I gonna, do

for myself. I still banquet chase and working hard to untangle, since you saw so I may call me, but nowadays, in the preceding year they knew this conversation was coming vagina. They found a curse. You know what you're going to offer you a sweet deal forego even soon we ve done all episodes on how crooked and horrible spargo does uneasy and I'm still we wells vargas and it merits a, but I'm right now in illegal, there exists a great we're all acknowledge. Again I wrote it episode about how terrible they are and then, after we recorded, I like had to call the patent areas lay ass so Can we put our resources in a co up instead of a bank? Can we but in the locally on bank, can we put it in a minority on bank? Can we put it in some? that's a grounded in the neighborhood through put in a facility that pays taxes

I am in any more layer charities there like. Why aren't there? Banks that are set up to just do good work was that the color I got the better coherence or co. Op is a member owned financial institution like a farmer's market color, you know like like a worker co up, and we, two episodes in season about cooperative, and one that really comes to mind, is- is called This is called land without landlords, and it's about west oakland and as group, while the east bay permanent, real estate cooperative, and basically you know, people in oakland are getting run out of oakland because the money is coming. the wave of tax money and three white people, an electric scooters and five dollar teeny tiny coffee drinks is coming and we ve decided as a nation through our inaction. Damn money rules, everything in it.

Haven't you can have a decent life and if you don't you're gonna suffer so they decided to pull them. resources and by a bunch of buildings together and they go it together, nay, decide who what types of businesses they want we'll have to art institutions. and provide support of housing there in a Is it a commercial developer? We haven't set of cap listen to make. That probably do want to do that. We could we have it As we said, look, housing is a stock lie. Anything else how is is, is a speculative venture. Now it's like dodge. and they like other crypto mars. Such a scam is such a pyramid scheme. Have you tat the housing market. Will you just by uses buying that crypto cause? You wanted to go up in value? You know really interested in the underlying utility of the coin? papers will tender housing, people we just

houses as investments. Now, that is homes, that's a game that everybody plays, because this we're all trying to do so. We there are other of their other models for us to subscribe to and I think, for someone out there who sitting on a book or a million Where are you keep your money and how you try to combine it with others does a lot. We can do just on that front and also listen to seize into there's a lot answers about that lasted two billion because, like I just bought ass, I ve been kind of neck, deepen loudest up, unlike you here and land, and I'm sure this is the case in many many others, so cities, but it's so difficult for, first time or any body to buy a house here, because you are competing with these developers that can pay cash, and so They come to the table immediately, just by the fact that, by virtue of the feather paying cash, they trump any there are normal couple that does want to have a home or their does. Maybe maybe europe made up

It is about our real but like a benevolent landlord or you want to buy houses and rented for affordable market rates and not just like jack up the price. You can compete with these debates, whereas because if the seller thinks that they're gonna do not have any chance of winning, sale because financing falling through whatever they're gonna go at the cash offer. But, like you, may you made the point if I were not set up for this kind of thing to work, you know for actual human beings. Why? What is that look like? How can you, legislate and make it where these developers can't just buy up every available means lay in a city to the point where it jack's up the rent for people who have been living there for generations do. We were talking about this off air before you just die like. We absolutely worry that the funny thing is. I do have this is for everything I dont know if they're the right as it is, but I the seizure like and we're living in new york. I was there twelve years, I left her years ago an and feeling well,

we'll call again the wave of money where, the housing is occupied by money rather than people and, as you have empty apartments sitting there, just as estimates your rising in value, but now fighting homes and experiences in community for human beings We can make different sets of rules that limit. How many units of housing a commercial did he can only operate. We can make a transparency requirements on a company like air being be with the city. to make sure that folks aren't turning long term apartment It's a short term hotels and that one dead, neighborhoods are being totally swallowed up. You can put a cap palm springs, put a cap on percentages of a neighbourhood that can be short term rent is that there is still a sense. of belonging. No one very you people want to live in a hotel,

or in a resort or like a hotel strip environment. Our us we'd all just moved vegas and that's that's a place. You only should go for no more than four days at a time you can live in, that lay down and out on the street. That's insane, but that's where we ve turn, but so there's incenses now. The problem you know his leg Our legislative process is bought by the people. May money off the legislative rules in place and ensuring that so that requires democracy reform same again forms him with all the stuff. So the money and pilot its thing is a big your phrase, but there's tangible things we can do to limited public find Think of campaigns, transparency, even about the people raising all this money. That's unaccountable yoda to us the people, the term limits a combination of things and districts. They don't look like spaghetti, better, actually correlate to neighbourhoods and not incumbent protection, racket.

it also, you aren't you burn up lobbying like we banish bribery mother knew. How will they let him John? I mean it's just that the funding they tell us call your member, a congress and what we call there on the phone with the donor. Given me another one. We have some little alone, they're, the ones that we don't have the roof yeah they're in a meeting so make donors get in line with us weak. There is theirs and full of things. I think we'll make a really really big difference in terms of housing thing yo. It's! I don't think we'll most of this anytime soon. They just live with their horrible consequences of inaction. Further until reaches in even more severe breaking point, but we We have our limits, and you know

cuba wall street represented a limit for a lot of people and they are just like enough. We are occupying these physical spaces. The civil rights move represents a threshold bad enough. We going to sit in on this counter. We don't occupy this space. We going to march we going to coordinate with. This latest strategies as well, so we're not just cortical marching. So we are approaching that. I see it already weakened stuff and what the next generation the tolerance is dinner, and I I'm with them their their occupying like. oil tankers and what not over england, like gretta and all the kids who are taken note of the fridays off school to protest its building up so be ready to. To stand with you when you walking down the street, I see a group of kids margin for their lives at least be ready to join him. Yes, a hundred percent- and this is I knew you were going to run into this,

as we were actually hanging out again, but we have so much more stuff to explore and matt. No, I know that you guys have like. We have spirits, iraq. We have this document re with with all these questions I started thinking about it. I'm going through it like I see that wouldn't want to prioritize and be respectful of your time, but we absolutely must you return on the show again if you are at all interested because we ve we had a wide range of conversation touching on things that affect every imaginable listener to this show. You know, and I want to thank you for creating how to citizen- and I know it could not be easy, even when it feels worthwhile. Sometimes especially,

then thank thank you. Thank you all for a big man nor for having me I've lost track of I'm completely, and that is a huge compliment his hat and Israel, and- and I could talk with your four hours I already I can feel it- we can just keep thing I mean I really gets on my background. What conspiracy theory I was early did again. I was early. Did a game pre x files like early bulletin board stuff, actually I'll drop it nay. Maybe one of your listeners will recognise sherman school nick was I chicago, based like he had the citizens, something port in where he had crazy theories about like bill Clinton, inauguration and others. A tent just filled I believe televisions and like mine, can spoke. I used to be that stuff, amazon, Alec jones. Before now, physically, on the show I was listening to him before he was supernaturally

created and dangerously disrupted to our whole democracy don't you dare not. He was gonna biggest enemy was like a frame of entertaining entertainer being harm hunters, and then he tips on that spectrum. of entertainment to destruction toward destruction, I'd classify a lot of fun to detain people in that category where'd you get it get high on their own supply and in ten days, but of making money increasing the extremity of their comments and they got it connected from reality on purpose of most of them know that what they are peddling is bullshit, but it serving them. so there. Actually they dont have listeners. They have victims. Its Well, there's a projection by all these people like there, the predators there, groom right there, very grooming people for a white supremacy right like their softening up and make

unpalatable terminology and language there is should be absolutely not accepted in society. But that's not that's me. warming up reddening cooling down, so I may I plug one man. like one project, please plug everything. Ok, ok! So I made a television show four pbs yeahs airing this summer. It's called america outdoor with barrington day Thurston and it is it feels disconnect. From everything we ve been talking about, but it's actually very connect. to everything we ve been talking about, because I had the privilege of travelling for six weeks in the summer of twenty twenty one. One week per location, one location per episode in iraq, with americans, of every kind of back round of every kind of ability and ancestry who all have a deep connection to the outdoors. There were true be water men and the chesapeake bay. There were in awoke

black surfers in I lay there. indigenous seal nations in minnesota harvesting, while rise there. There were ranchers in idaho amount bikers too so there's some kind of in this show for everyone and nothing for all the discord and disconnects and despair. I've. was so absolutely recharge by in sing in their relationship with others and with nature. At the same time, I think of it It was like how does it is an outsider and it's it's this with all the screen staff and algorithms and everything we ve been talking about when we started off tunnel. How easy it is to not want to say hello or to ask a question immediately other and I think that apply I not only you know between white people, seeing black pepper. Someone doesn't look like that. It's

the same with neighbours that look the same absolute people, why people not talk to otherwise you'd, never mind what you have so much, but I think one thing that we all have in common and I think that Matt year so good at this and is something that we all share, but in a mad wool track of accommodation with a stranger and get their life story out of them. You know in the first like five minutes of the coverage is needed is a gift, but I think we are genuinely value that and that's what makes us ass question in our curious and we want to find out about our neighbours and what they think about things and in others there are no strain just say, I think, that's a good. It would be a good message to spread. So that's They show me a birthday gift to the. U s is a premiere July fifth, so in Europe we celebrates, or a hangover tuna for six weeks running to america. Outdoors and number to day on all the social and economic,

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