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so or danish. Yes, there there are numerous other names as well. It's a group that especially here in the West remember that are either they are like the face of terrorism that her currently right now, yes than the new face, learn as of twenty fourteen face the face that most people in the West would associate with terrorism right that win peace, people, here the word terrorism. There first thoughts will not be something like the clan take a k, will be something like the IRA won't even maybe I'll Qaeda anymore mislaying over how to reach a signal that it will be obvious and what we we're going to look at. Today's is the concept of specifically

ISIS or I saw or diet recruitment tactics of the? U s. We ve gone into some related things before, but today we're going to look at this for example, in as we do that we need to first take a look at terrorism right. What is tat, ism since the events of September eleven two thousand and one the concept of terrorism, garnered national and lasting intention in the mind of the american public. But we know, of course, just look at the moon Other groups were named, we know terrorism, a concept. Terrorist tactics in such have existed. Much much longer. Right gather, I mean even in the U S, I think terrorism wasn t in these guys in the public knowledge or understanding back from the seventies back for me, get popular movies there

coming out her and then time the bad guy. A lot of times was a middle eastern cloaked terrorist. Yet In its often been said throughout history that one person's arrest, is another person's freedom fighter We know that can sound tremendous Lee Controversial Right, the idea that one persons absolute utter. In- is somebody else's hero right you, for instance, when the? U S was in the midst of the revolutionary war, the people, in the. U S were fighting to for independence from from Europe from England, they were to the average english citizen terrorist, oh yeah, tactics of fighting,

from the woods. Are some guerrilla warfare and you're not wearing uniforms all these kind of things I know we're gonna get into? They were full on terrorists to them and it, the two degree the categorization of terrorist. If you can hear my airports, there folks depends on the people you ass for example, this is just an anecdote, I'm just making this up. This is not a real thing. I can't emphasise that enough, but I tried since a let's magic, there is a person living in a war torn country. That's been victimized by numerous conflicts. Right, let's say I've gotta right, someone who is then alive the proxy wars of the seventies who, as I've, lived through the I have now in Afghanistan, a person living in that country. A person living in that kind of country. As listen, multiple foreign military forces, multiple warlords coming, go terrorist organisations, counter terrorism, tactics and eventually

you might say well, these are all to me. These are all still these rules still equal threats, so this definition slides the stuff, fishing as fuzzy lines. There is not really. The EU would be hard pressed to find. An organisation that the entire rest of the world said that as a terrorist organisation s entire ass, a world. Of course I'm not sought talking about the union Nations I'm saying the entire population of actual, the entire population of actual people, ISIS one of the closest, of course, because you know Muslims around the world can the act devices in ices is the actions that This is taking are not those They are not things that the average practising muslim

The vast majority Muslims would ever condone it's also the kind of thing you know your original example about freedom fighters in like the American Revolution, for example, they were working towards an end of achieve. Freedom and they were maybe like attacking certain points that would have. Then there is a group, but with ISIS it is lot more directly targeted attacks. Civilians- and really waging that social media, a war using yeah, beheading videos and decide whether to showing this kind of lack of rules, age many analysis. Can I, like anything, this fair game and also your deal. The aim of ices is, that has been stated rumours times and it is to establish a new caliphate. Yes right in

this means that the goal would be to create a state into to expand that state eventually across the world. You know we ve unseen Al Qaeda Al Qaeda of our condemn the actions of ISIS which, if you know, ok to another terrorist group V terrorist group for a while their leave, they publicly at least allegedly came out and said now this we We think this is awful and there's yet and there's a tangled web here, they're tangled roots news, a tangled web, even if the hour definition might sound. Fuzzy terrorists have we'll tactics that in theory, differentiate them from state level forces so in the books again in theory level force as rules of engagement. As you said, no, they do not attack civilians. They are clearly identifiable visa uniforms. They adhere to the giant

the convention's for captured combatants. They adhere to the rules. Of war, and of course folks Unfortunately, it goes without saying, but I will say it: throughout history will be very hard, ass find any state level military that is always adhered to. Those rules fisher- and I was to something else, which might be a separate topic that we touched upon with specific examples in earlier podcast of state sponsored tear, see I backed coups in South America, for instance, ripe or false attacks or, for instance, the Maxie militias used by different countries right like his beloved, sponsored by IRAN or something which you have been exactly. Sadly,

that is the reality of proxy wars. Still long established the reality of using proxies to avoid to avoid the consequences of an unsuccessful action. And the concept of terrorism is itself first Pierce in seventeen. Ninety five at least, specific sense of government commendation during a reign of terror in France, and it came from the Teresa me from the latter. In English and appears a few years later, three years later and reference the irish rebellion by along the way to the modern age, there were other competing terms destruction? Terrorism was called dynamism, during World WAR, one Britain used the term frightful nest, It came from German in a minute, deliberate policy of terrorizing enemy non combatants.

Before we go on guys. I want to get a bit of a rat out of the way This is what I have to say when we see this. This is my opinion. This is not since not reflect the opinion of our show the opinion house of works, anyone else, but me and another thing that dangerous Terrorism is a concept, especially in the West in other countries as well, is that it has become a grand bogey man used to force multiple attacks. People's personal freedom and personal liberty. I end you if you agree, you disagree, for instance, with warrantless valence than the implication is that you directly support terrorism. Terrorism become the the monster under the bed, hiding in the closet of the american discourse- and this is a very dangerous thing

in: U S, culture where we see often is the people the the gazed, as you said, man becomes enamoured of certain words remain. In the nineties, everything was digital therefore relate Does he never did digital toaster on it and and then it does, he never did your click on it and then things were organic. And the national security has become another another great boogeyman right, I was trying to decide if therefore terminating cliches, but I dont know that their that far its close almost because you can throw those words into a sentence and yeah. Maybe it is because you intelligent somebody's brain off. If you turn around specially terrorism and national security in the same sentence right these This is not in any way to say that

terrorism is exaggerated in terms of the global context and the damage it does. This is said to say that there are opportunistic, he's in governments across the world who, using this as far as a window as a foot in the door you pass draconian laws. The ordinarily never would have been allowed by A rational, nine frightens public and so it is true that these things, these things there are these active Elsie ACT like monsters people doing monstrous things, and then we can ever get, however, that the people at the top of their is regimes and governments what not actively using this as away you to get your price,

information to get your phone records to predict predict. Excuse me your behavior, with all having said, I'm gonna get off the soap box here, because that is not the real point of today's pie. Cast were one of the biggest I don't know- I think I know what do you think, though I think they should have connected for but let's get into what really what is ISIS, whereas ices and what does ISIS versus ice in terms of the name yeah. Ok, let's see so ices and eyesore oddly enough, the same thing eyes stands, for the islamic State in Iraq and Syria, and that's because the territory that this, organization has controlled, has largely straddle the border between Syria and Iraq, but eyes On the other hand, your eyes or ice all is talking about the eleven. Which is the its color.

Stored name given to this entire region, that east of the Mediterranean from Egypt, so think about where Egypt is on the edge of after their go east. And once you get to IRAN and Turkey, that's the laval, There are things that were: Obama referred to them, specifically as one or the other, because Legitimate as them more than the other like that, bring about figure, I think yeah, the? U S, the! U S, administration during the rise of eyes is used the term eyes all they cause they're there, visual party line is that this is done. Emphasise, the expansionist- all of the of terrorist group region ya gotta accents. However, again, if that were the case, establishing what is ultimately meant to be a global caliphate, necessarily stand beyond the lot, but right now what Europe

chances of that happening or thankfully in small. I need. Pretty much everyone else, though uses eyes is more one. Other thing. Term the diet, as also gained some popularity and has been used as a way of challenging the legitimacy of the group right. This dies term come from Arabic and its national foreign from the previous name, which is I'm going to butcher this. I warn you in advance folks, I'll Doll were Islamiya fiddle Iraq, while shop in though it doesn't necessarily mean anything in Arabic, sounds familiar to and arabic verve. That means to tread under foot to crush something or to trample, so that is that's that's the solution of the name at this point,

probably wondering hey man. No, then are you going to talk a little bit about the history of eyes the formation of it. How did become so successful. What, if any rule did intelligence agencies and other state organisations play right out to the house of side, as always, we ve done a couple of earlier videos on eyes. Is that you are that you mean joy if you're well enjoys out the right word, then the answer some of those questions, I'm one One of the first once was with our friends at all time, conspiracies you half an we I mean can obviously from the title. We look at the from now on. We I mean can obviously from the title. We look at the different ways in which ISIS got its money and one of the big things that was pointed to as to how they got that first, that first

Bank rule will begin. Building an army and getting just huge catches of weapons and explosives. And it was the I believe it was the emotional bank Early heist that allegedly occurred. Thou from freeing sources. You'll also hear that that heist never occurred actually from some official sources will, I is fascinating. DE the allegedly looted, five hundred bill rightly dinners the equivalent over four hundred when he nine million at the time by a buddy boy. Did they yeah exactly or did day, and that kind of called into question will how are they getting their money if this perhaps didn't occur, which has led to numerous questions about who funds this group and we try to answer a couple? Those inevitably, oh, I think we also talked about of there's one called who who does ISIS work for looking at? Perhaps their larger goal

that ISIS is now trying to achieve, or that another group is trying to achieve through ISIS right. That was an interesting delve, I would recommend a video. The dizzy other part here, where we also talk about in our third video money, blood God who title terrorism, which is a juicy title in their yeah unpleasant stuff as well when, when unpleasant. Stuff is well when, when I learned about some of the funding that comes from countries that are closed, allies with the United States thrice physically they re beyond the edges. China freaking me out a little bit an end to be to be clear on one thing that I was Two, I would like to emphasise only talk about it, origins, agencies. All talk about government officials, funding the the in the operations of terrorist groups

whether in the Middle EAST, whether in Central Asia, South EAST Asia, South and Central America, where even the? U s- This doesn't always mean that the entire organization condones it could just be one person acting or a faction of people acting in that regard. Let's do a little bit of history rises to get to their current state and CS from our earlier video that we have mentioned so in two thousand That's really see the islamic state of Iraq and Syria better known his eyes, is spread across the Middle EAST, but according the official sources it begins in the nineties. When the your dna a boom sob, our coffee return home attempting to fight the USSR in Afghanistan, and I was right after He got out of prison, he for a while, I that that was after yet he said Afghanistan red he was gonna fight, the USSR.

Enjoying that fight. But I think when he got there, it was pretty much over and when he got home I guess he had kind of picked up some ideas from from but he was hanging out with and he I think he had weapons and losers in his house and got arrested for six years, and he met more people right yeah. Eventually he returned to set up a camp for terrorists, or again, depending on which side the war you were on resistance fighters. Ninety nine he met Obiang Osama Bin Laden, but he refused to join our guide. Thousand one. He fled Iraq and then eventually constructed the predecessor to the islamic State outside he died in two thousand and six. Die as of two thousand fourteen. It was Word known as ISIS was led by Abu back here out, bug daddy, who declared himself Caliph

where the caliph ruler of the self declared islamic state. So this story visual story seems plausible histories, fully groups. They become increasingly violent as they become increasingly powerful, There are no shortage of conspiracy theories regarding ISIS right now on the curb. State of ice. The conflict continues, there's pretty compel evidence that ICES has Selling oil to people in Turkey with knowledge of the turkish government, there has also been pretty damning evidence that different factions of other middle eastern countries are supporting spread of ice, even while, officially opposing it and of course I groups that were that word or still consider terrorist by other countries are not friendly toward ISIS in this has become a land of strange bedfellows. You know what the the curve

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something else where they wanted a region to stabilize. It seems like the fragmentation is likely Currently the only difference I see what this group is their prowess to you, online sources knows about to say to stay connected or where they are located glow Amy and unaware that using the online sources like Facebook, etc to recruit their also using it to disseminate you know their messages. For example, liquor. I saw video the other day that happen. It was after the terror attacks in Brussels and it had a lot of footage of all of the other, the explosions than there is for this vote. And had Donald Trump quotes. Timing, Brussels used to be a beautiful place, an essential applying that before all the money,

came in and made a terrible, whatever answer their basically using stuff from the news from current events and then disseminating at through electronic channels, and I mean, if you think the other compared to the way Al Qaeda would do. Like that I mean they would like distribute like a blurry ba just tape of me now some of them on their work. If it wasn't on descended to like news outlets, I mean this is definitely a next generation. Oh yeah, sure the changing technology there are certainly making use of it. That's a good point here's where it gets crazy today We are talking about the something is not a conspiracy theory physically as you facts. The ices is recruiting in the U S or attempting to Cruet in the U S and not just in force in the? U S, but also in Europe. We have read stories of

sort of european, often teenagers, late teens I've been recruited, sometimes honestly, but often deceptively too. Who travelled to Syria to join ISIS and pending on a number of things your nationality, your age. Frighteningly enough your gender and you're. I dont know how to see this you're smart, your social status its socio economic background. Now it's not that I it is just you're. It's there Sense of loneliness that is preyed upon by this group since Isolation as well. Let's, let's talk about some of the specific Cases of recruitment, in the? U S so we're gonna go some numbers from twenty fifteen of the report- the New York Times.

And so as of auction were of twenty fifteen right, as we did in the end of that year: law, enforcement so United States knew of two hundred Fifty Americans, who had they're gone to or we're thinking about, going to Syria and or Iraq to join up with these ISIS fighters. And right now there are, I think, or at least as of that time October, twenty four in there were nine hundred active investigations into ices sympathise, from all of these fifty United States. So prosecuted actually charge seventy one people since March twenty fourteen with various degrees of involvement in ISIS activities in the? U S these are these charges include having to support terrorist organisations plodding Elliot, when you are soil things of that nature, six of these arrests actually took place in twenty fifty

and here's some stats that came from the George Washington University programme on extremism analyzing. Seventy one of these arrests, people involved in the arrests on average were aged twenty six. Eighty six percent male fifty percent, Traveled were had attempted to travel to Iraq or Syria at some point. Twenty. Percent, were involved, plots to actually carry out these kinds of attacks in the? U S, fifty percent can citizens, forty percent converts Islam and I'm twenty one states were involved in this and the largest number place in New York and Minnesota and finally involved Americans who actually died in the? U S: Dude ISIS related violence, and in some to point out here all these people that are mentioned, they come from various different backgrounds from silky, socio, economic statuses. They the it's very wide and varied the people who end up

being recruited or attempted to be recruited. This is where we arrive at the primary primary, medium or mode of recruitment, which would be again its social media, twitter Instagram. Those recited theirs There are several specific case spider. Let's, let's look into one must look in the story of a twenty three year old american woman named Alex in the story he comes to us for the New York Times. There is a great article you can read if you want to there's even a short video piece you can watch about. This Alex is a as you said that a young woman she describes yourself as lonely, He was a baby sitter in a Sunday school teacher. Didn't do much he's very rural part of Washington State and her daily life- is pretty boring right. At least this is our she does

I use it and she doesn't have any friends she's living with her grandparents. Now, after the the video of genes fully used. A journalist in August on August, nineteen twenty fourteen are used the video of him being be headed by ices, Alex our protagonist here. She She went on twitter she's. If you want to find out why the heck a group would do something so horrendous and terrible, and she says Well, I was looking for people who agreed with what they were doing so that I can understand why they were doing it. He was action we really easy to find them unquote. A chilling and that's where she met a man from England calling himself vice almost stopper began telling her about Islam Anti Islamic state as she began speaking with him and others other sympathisers over,

the internet, twitter, email, skype- I she was Swedish took about twitter, she converted to Islam and now he is rigorous crazy in the context of this story, where Alex, probably I don't know, Her oh feeling should have gone off Agus put up some Red Lagrange yeah, exactly and I'm just gonna red another call from the article quote Muslims. She knew where, though, she had met online and final encouraged to keep it. That way argued Muslims are persecuted in the? U S which, to a degree true, absolutely but yeah and she could be labelled a terrorist, that he warned her of that information It was best for her to keep this whole conversation or all of these conversations that she's having a secret even from her grandparents who she's living with well in their attempting to their radicalizing airing. They want. They didn't want her to be exposed. Sure is a really good get at this point. I mean she's someone it's isolated and is

I soon white right, I guess and was she's impressionable irrational, but also to mean in terms of like They don't wandered all the sudden change for viewer answer hanging out with difficult for people to raise any alarms with any kind of law enforcement because they want to be able to use her in some way in here We're gonna gets into the tactics of of this group, the the circle of people, Alex is speaking with they are or several dozen accounts operated by several people who either directly say that they are members of the islamic State or who are at least some way sympathisers with the group. They these people collectively spent thousands you're, thousands of ours, engaging Alex for over six months, where they're just constantly in communication come to the same thing at the beginning. Is gonna love bomb? Yes,.

Or we can get into the cold aspects then, but yeah baby There are things to the male this. Finally, is in England. Remember so it's not that difficult to send something. I mean it takes a while back there, sending her prayer shawls and I believe mats and apparently one of the biggest things they sent. Her was chocolate just tons and tons of chocolate. And as they're doing all of this there there indulging our curiosity there. Com down when she's having you know when she's thinking. Maybe this is a good idea there, just being her friend right there, there being lonely, isolated, girls, friend and especially as they are starting to push towards some the sum of e, let's say more difficult to grasp. I concepts behind ice, some of the more violent parts of it and something that would you couldn't really just for the switch and be like

look at this now, gonna have to like really really ease some went into it and then, before you know, it has been saying with some of the courts information kind of them by our tactics before you know you're doing things you never ever ever would have been considered doing it's a foot in the door tactic. Used by sales folks as well, maybe there's so much support generate ape the Psychological Association, but certain idea, concept or experiment. One thing that all of you beings have in common, is that we are frighteningly easy to mislead. I saw this this story, where the ending ending- is that her grandmother found out several times throughout the course of their communications that she was doing this and I feel, like I have to say this-

its mention in the article in the video Alex, suffers from feel alcohol syndrome, and she is very much from a developmental perspective younger than twenty three, and perhaps that is one of the region. Is that she seems to be more impressionable and the grandmother and particulars truck tries to guard her from interactions online, and this one in particular, scaring. I she didn't really understand the scope or the death of what was happening, but in the documentary we are at least need the short piece, your time. Show the grandmother actually speaking with final and telling them Lee my granddaughter alone and the last thing you, the video is Owen. They resumed communication following the publication of this. So, who knows what's happening without

What's going on in the story, I mean at least she was willing to tell her story is not a real made by the way and lets So let us remember that this is just one example from one country, though we're part these days was sharing at Geico. We to say thanks. Thanks for sharing your savage dance moves sharing your d, I why haircut fails thanks for sharing your inner lips ink star. Now it's our turn to share with the Geico give back. Ten percent credit on car and motorcycle policies for current and new customers, because we committed for the longer the fifteen for credit last. Your full policy to visit guy

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an emphasis on religious freedom. However, with that being said with the idea that there are complex, complicated motivations for this, in that there are active, conspiracies. Let's just remember the definition of a conspiracy is people working together in secret towards a common goal under that definition than there or conspiracies to recruit people in you this organisation. They are happening now, as you listen to this bright. Ass. When you're listening to it, I d. The thing- and this is the serious things very sense the earlier mentioned: gender, Mattering, don't wanna be alarmist about this, but this is a fact for people who are women being You know a silly things, early twenties were being mice olden misled by

cruisers working on behalf of eyes. Is there often convince or persuaded, to travel to a part of Iraq or Syria that is under ISIS control with the idea that we'll be performing and a tearing aid in in the Holy WAR that they will. You'll help to save the lives of these fighters ends, at least three cases that we know other proven many more unjust counting the ones I was taken into author research, what nay end up being compelled to who is to serve as centuries. Prostitutes under what is known as jihadi marriage, and that is because the islamic state has issued. If that were released

decree saying that this is a righteous thing for women to do. While our just case she was told Would be marrying a forty year old, balding man? That was all that, those all the information that she got from final, but he was a good Muslim, is what she said, and so this discounts The city islamic State Report comes in twenty fifteen said that muslim women giving himself sexually to jihadis is permissible because allows them to continue at your hard to empower Islam in our however, controversial is not. Missed and strangest must sound. I have to emphasise again. This is not the belief of this is not the belief of the vast majority

this group absolute, so that the error in critical thinking the people can make. Too easily is too to wait, when extremists faction, with every other single practice of that faith, for instance, there are very, violence very strange, prejudiced and twisted, I said, of religious groups, claiming that they are christian, rain or claiming I mean that day, or to the sun, obscure branch Judaism Hinduism Buddhism right We know that if you who are a Chris. It does not automatically make you a member of the Westboro Baptist Church which pails in comparison of course do ISIS, but

what I am pointing out here is that it is so easy for eyes. So easy, especially given the way things are reported to believe that. War? One example, one group means an entire group is is rotten and this this is not the case, but what is the case is that in Europe. In the? U S in the muslim majority countries. Around the clock Are there are people who are being convinced to join us? organization with this? Organization sometimes, false pretences. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is a conspiracy fact. We know that the use of internet- algae, has made the cost of communication across the world lower now than at any other point in human history. Ever you know

if I were you listening to this pike, has from is it not amazing that you could tweet that no one I or anybody that has a twitter handle in almost in containing asleep. We will be able to have a conversation regardless of where we are on the globe, this? is a mighty power and, like all eighty powers. It can harm and it can help fire warms as well as burns. Legislation, always catches up more slowly than the then the technology right technologies, outpaced legislation in earlier we mentioned that opportunistic mincer using things like this, which this is a real thing online recruitment into extremist religious organisations? Not just ices is a real thing in its happening now, but is the answer

My question of, if you guys and few listeners is the answer to give a government entity, absolute access to it, thank you. Everyone else does online who watches the watchman Urim This will this be protection. Will it be a way to prevent acts of terrorism or will, be simply giving another group of not entirely great people, a superpower. Well, he hears the things we recently learned from the attacks in Brussels, the people who I'll be attacks allegedly were using burner? Phones, the phones are, you can activate and then use the minutes up and then re run away, and if that is the case, they're using that technology, then giving the the irony say or whoever else the keys.

Your Iphone, nor your android or whatever it is so that they can see everything you're doing it might not matter, because they might not be able to see that phone. That's waited and then destroyed immediately afterwards. He s a technique. Deafening has been used for and I, like your watch the why but my lot of the of the drug dealer characteristic than that show use Firefox once you can buy a gas station and use it for a period of time and you have any personal information associated with an answer. I absolutely when you know there kinds of arguments against allowing that to occur. Every everything from the potential global blackmail that can be generated from from having that you know just the the basic right of privacy that all of us believed to ourselves. Within. Also we have we ever further issue here, which is that we are further issue. Is that in any case

please list this shit Secret in many countries, the actions of corporations in the actions of states are closely intertwined. Xo we have to ask when we, the people- or when we? population in whatever country I give. This kind of fettered personal access, with no accountability to government who else we given it to our, we also giving it to a large cooperation that is active in there are. We also assume giving it to a contractor who will carry out part of the monitoring duty five. I been around for a long time, and I it is my personal belief that. These strange bedfellows of of corporate And governmental power are a much closer, then then are reported. You know how he had just judges reads: join us.

Judges do. That was not what you think. I guess it's an article or statement that he put out when he met with some of the heads of Google back in the day. It's fascinating to see the way alphabet is moving, we're who knows, which is the parent company of Google, Yes, so let's what's also have just a few more questions goes, I knew in peppering everyone questions, but I'm interested in the following do you think that you do you think that? U S western and middle eastern intelligence agencies purposefully creed? ISIS, your do think it was a unintended consequence. I mean it those things where, when you shut down one group or make it difficult for one group to do something, you will have other groups pop up and

the void, Elijah yeah, I mean, I think, that's that's what this is. Definitely don't! Think that the? U S government was involved in creating a I mean, U government in power, obviously right having for you, do you ask and policies over a long period of time have created groups like these? You know right a thing whether questions is follow the money, but suddenly who's who has the most compelling interest in a destabilized Middle EAST european think that we know that, for the questions will Who would be then, because we have also heard that the action of ISIS in Syria have been tacitly encouraged by the West as a way to stop Russia from six we retaining their work? there, there, wine, all whether port, right based in Syria and all

to obtain access to build pipelines right, cutting off, one of Russia's primary exports, which is natural gas to Western Europe. So it feel to me just in an answer to your question and the Persons of this group feel very much. It feels like another proxy war. That's what that's what it feels like to me in dream, the news and watching what Ike, why don't? We yeah, I'm interested to hear more about the snow, and it's not why it is tempting to say that there are I'm a saleable good guys. The fight right now The sad truth is that their innocence dine, and that is one of the most crucial factors of this. War is rarely a matter of I hear

a villain war is often lot of violence or, at the very least, a lot of self interested people, then I'm not by any means They need by any means calling terrorist he rose. I think that's fundamentally offensive. It's all perspective. Maybe it is maybe maybe I mean, let's also consider that a lot of the people who were were embroiled. Is children in conflict Middle EAST had felt they had no other choice. But to join some sort of resistance, ripe and with this in mind, I would like to hear your answers. What what do you think of that? stability of entails Dense network involvement there state sponsorship of ISIS? most interested. What do you think? The future alike? This is right now it looks like the organisation is not thriving and it looks like

superpowers are sir other organizations are would normally be against one another may be. Banding together to combat ices and does want once its quelled or fragmented what comes next, what happens next? that's always the question with the Middle EAST as well. I guess it's always the question with geopolitics in general. Right still so, write to us. Let us know you'd find some facebook and twitter. We are conspiracy, stuff. You can check out every podcast that no matter I have ever done on our website stuff. They don't She no dot com and before we go some of you have already written to us and that's why we're gonna, go into this little space that we like to call First the day goes to Jack Lou Job Lou. At Square Moon,

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