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it's time for listener mail, and we have some very interesting things things on the dark it today folk side? This, as you know, is something that we we spend. A of time time we go through our phone line, one eight, eight three, three std wtk. We go through our email. Piracy at Iheart, radio, dot com. We speak to folks all the time across social media platforms, and then we tried it. We try to find the pieces of communication that we think your fellow listers will enjoy or need to hear, because null sometimes have gone to some dark places with each yeah we have and likely will continue to do so today mine anyway, is is a little on the dark side yeah I should try to inject a little levity into the proceedings. How much you been you darker light today? This is this is both. I would describe this way.

As heavy and profound as a matter of fact. Let's start there with an email from An anonymous listener that I'm gonna call anonymous. Voltaire let's start with the the inspiration. Make name at the very end of your email. This is a good team. At the anonymous Voltaire you wrote, due to the illegal nature of this subject. I will remain nameless on your show, because, as in the words of Voltaire, it is dangerous to be right of matters in which the stab- authorities are wrong, pretty good teeth right to put the end at the beginning. There I agree very bold the time a little bit here, because Anonymous Voltaire's email is about something that many of our fellow listers have written to you to ask questions about the past, including Brigitte, be whose suggested

our series on the dark side of the fashion industry. Here's what anonymous says I believe, for a long time now considerably didn't many times, but none of that, but they were all a little details that didn't feel like they. They were worth. The email, however, says anonymous. Been going back through some of the episodes I missed over the last year and was inspired to share a story with you all. I put this off for a couple weeks, but after last week's episode, drug addiction in rehab. I feel my subject fits in perfectly because my story is about Ebay Game and we talked about Evo, gain a little bit in the past right. Is that a drug I don't know what this is. So it makes me think of the term. Bad, which is like a financial term, I don't think I remember EBO Game help me out. I remember, died, Oveda

that was a fun meeting. The first time I learned about those and tried not to laugh very as man. I know I can. Yes, we've talked a little bit briefly about this substance. Anonymous says I feel certain can make a full show about the subject. If you haven't already because of its mysterious and dynamic history from AIDS, sacramental spiritual use in the booty tribe of West Africa to Howard load soft discovering promotion of its anti addictive properties and evil gain to the laws of? U S, scheduling, because its illegal here to its ban shortly after hundred Thompsons famous for go and finally to the rehab psychedelic tourism occurring around the world right now, but, as you might say that a whole other bag of badgers nice. This is where he starts explaining what evil gain is and I M paraphrasing here- this is a thirdly letter

you can read excerpt of it. I even gains is another. Is a chemical found in a plant called Taberna Ebola will gain, is a class of chemicals called trip demeans along with Sheraton, Indian T suicide and an l s d, and it can cause hallucinatory psychedelic effects when ingested in large enough quantities. People will do this, most famous leave were addiction or trauma therapy, but none of them the His anonymous means are recreational because get this no, it is not a very wasn't experience in many ways it causes severe a taxi, a lasting four hours or more severe knots for much of that twenty four hours and an inability to see clearly for over twenty four hours, all the while stimulating the users mind so that they are capital letters wide awake for that whole time. Due to these severe,

physical reactions. User is bound to a bed with their eyes closed during this period of clothes. I'd sleep deep thought in deep thought. Many people sperience visual manifestations in their minds. I there any other psychedelic drug I have experience are extremely realistic. And unusual and could be defined more as visions than visuals. If that makes sense, it's a vision, Quest So, taken at all in the idea of ingesting this stuff sounds on let's find and say, might reducing or their doings mushroom dry yeah. It makes me think of like some of the negative descriptions of like salvia, for example, that I've always heard. I never. I think maybe I smoked fake salvia or something but number of German saying it makes you feel like you're like a like a trap as oil or something which I do not fully understand but yeah. Now, does not sound like all the bad parts of psychedelic experimentation and none of the good

peer paranoia out of body, you now discomfort and then like you know: catharsis yeah the thing in an anonymous goes on to tell us that, despite the unpleasant aspects of this, They were able to experience profound positive psychological changes and when we look at the history of this It seems to be a common pattern. That's reported so, despite the pretty heavy, not fund effects, it appears that numerous cultures have embraced this as a kind of medicine. For alcoholism for heroin addiction for different psychological issues. People are struggling with and it's a very old old drug. It was first reported by Europeans. Whose belgian and french colonists who found these committees

he's in Africa using a bogus in spiritual ceremonies and you know it's coming at them through this house lens right by the first description of this plant in european literature dates. The eighteen eighty, nine Guy anonymous mentions. There is one of the first people in the nineteen sixties, I believe who said yeah. Nineteen sixty two there was a guy named Howard, lots of which anonymous mentions, who his stories in he's, probably the best way to say it is the first person to publicly note the anti addictive properties of this substance, but the way he got there is pretty harrowing. He was nineteen years old and he in five friends had at a real problem. They were all late

they were heroin addicts and they tried different treatments and nothing worked and they were getting desperate, but they noticed that doing this drug. Despite the fact that leaves you out for twenty four hours in their unpleasant physical effects. Doing this drug significantly reduce their cravings and their withdrawal symptoms from harrowing yeah. If it's like- works. That's awesome. I'm really glad to hear that, and it certainly seems in line with some of the conversations we've had. Recently in the larger conversation about using psychedelic to treat addiction So many people are micro, dosing just for their own data day kind of mental wellness, Again, this is not medical advice. We are not here to tell anyone what to do or how to live, but it's certainly something that I have experienced. People having positive effects with in their researcher there to back it up now believe it was a Johns Hopkins. Study that that indicated, like a double bind study, indicated the folks who

taking so Simon were more likely to come out of depression or two to have positive effects on their depression, so yeah. I think that this the salt this all tracks, and I'm I'm I'm I'm really looking forward to seeing this conversation become much more mainstreamed, become part of regular psychotherapy investors me personally my opinion, but but I do think you see this a positive thing yeah. I agree. I think it's on way because of the the sum of the stigma in the shed. They think the conversation is definitely changing but those really interesting series of events. So when psycho, active or hallucinogenic substances illegal. It becomes a little more complicated for people to conduct research with them, so real way. Some of the hard line drug laws in different countries have stymied what appears

be valuable, meaningful medical research and now that some of that research is coming out, the facts are proving that there may be efficacy to many of these substances. I like to give everyone a taste of anonymous story story here with their experience, This is where my story starts. They say many. Years ago I was asked to help a friend picture this medicine for her. Since I have an obscure skill set, I was able to make this happen, but she was They tend to take a risk on an unknown compound extracted from an unknown plant sample sent from an unknown person, in Cameroon. So I applied shirt and tried it first to confirm the twenty four hours that followed were awful as in full of awe objective, better than awesome, but I only want to share a couple highlights and they talk about how they had these acts. Visual hallucinations and this person was they said,

This says they saw the elderly person in their eightys or Ninetys and they recognize them, but I couldn't pit by middle finger on who this person was, they started getting younger, seamlessly d all the way to a fetus and beyond, and I realized about halfway through this old person was me. I was looking at myself as an old person, the feelings, indescribable and then there's a wooden mask that flows into the vision leads them through a field of photographs, they're lined lined up. In quote seemingly endless row of columns and ever too often the mass with lie down returned with a photo and anonymous as I realized I was looking at all my memories presented to me: in chronological order each time the mass show me a fool. It was of a moment in life that I did not like something I had done to someone something had it to to me or something I done to myself. It was really destructive on my psyche so, while showing

This memory, it would ask me, is this you, don't you think I did a reply. No, that's not me. Does best incredible. I guessed what that person. Describing is negative side effect in a way of psychedelic. Sir. Where are you if you're having, according quote bad trip rate, it means a lot of times your brain. Keep cycling through negative things and sort of like almost like me, can you feel, shame in some way or Like just making you like see, every man you've ever made or, like you know, judge your life and some horrible way that can be positive. They can be its own kind of catharsis if you learn from it it's not just inflated and like alarmist. You know what I mean. So, if you're actually taking a hard, look at yourself an end like having these moments. Flash before your eyes and assessing is this me

I am answering yourself no. This is not me than that means your differential between the version of yourself that you want to be in the version of yourself for your being. Faced with you. No yes well said, agreed all points and there's a there's, an excellent article in the guardian by Alex Hannaford think, will be of interest to you anonymous if you haven't seen it and to anybody else in the audience today who wants to learn more about this, the article is titled dying to get clean. His evil gain the answered, a heroine addiction, and it begins with one of with a story of another person who found themselves being a functional attic without a good solution to breaking the cycle. Diction, so they also also, in desperation, flew out to have a ceremony with this substance and for a lot of people who are driven to this point.

There are multiple rehab ships that didn't work. There were other attempts made me cold turkey, maybe incrementally lowering dosages in and never quite did it. But this medicine worked for this guy as well substance. He also did not have fun because I don't think the What do you look at the ceremony that this is traditionally used in the british ceremony. Means ancestors ceremony and in those communities, when you do this, it's a day is a multi day. Death and rebirth is how culturally, so they believe that those hallucinations in those visions are a form. You die in a new thing. Returning surprisingly, it's not illegal every

It is illegal in the U S, but there's a thing called the global, evoking therapy alliance that works too. I think advocate for the monitored use this and the experts just like with suicide and are increasingly. I would increasingly vociferous in in their defense of this, but it's still restricted in the UK and it's outright banned in the. U S which makes sense. To me, I mean one of only two drugs that are two plants. I think that are scheduled that at that level of danger right. What's the other one marijuana still yeah, I believe it's. Where So weird so weird, so here's the thing If you want to sign up for an addiction program using this

You'll find a lot of you'll find a lot of opportunities, but you have to be careful because you're probably talking people just on the internet right, so so one experience experiences that he looked at a bunch of different plans, but they seemed kind of sketchy or maybe I don't want scams, but they seem like the they seemed expensive in India. Sketchy is probably the best word here. Here's an example from the guardian article, the guy that guy who were trying to find out how to use it, will gain, deter himself again correspondence, what place. That said, the cost of a seven day addiction programme was normally eight thousand dollars. However, I be able, Credit one thousand that towards your airfare, released one email said: I wouldn't five hundred dollar, refundable, deposit on a credit card,

the remaining six thousand five hundred can be paid the wire transfer or cashiers check and the nurse can do a health screening over Skype. I feel like it how much money you need a real physical me I wanted. Agent, but well leg. Anymore advances in their like tell a medicine stuff where can literally have like arms that that, like you, through some through some kind of I make make that up, there is definitely tell us surgery, Omby Amby, I'm joking. When they're there there are technologies that so that their working on that would allow you know like a human, the citizens, pod. While I was surgeon remotely does a procedure, and in the future, there I'm sure there will be at the very least, Bio feedback devices. Rape, though you can to get monitored on them. With this it sounded like the nurse will be conducting up. I choose a just self reporting your own health, which is sometimes not the best

yeah, but the guy does find someone you can trust a doctor and Gee, while in South Africa and where his story here is strange because these he got these instructions. That said, you know why, doing any drugs long enough to encounter withdrawals symptoms when you get in here So this is already not a pleasant plain right right for someone is substance, dependence he's wearing a London to South Africa. This was strange because when do you tell us about as soon as sky J arrives, I he is given a dose of morphine late. I guess to combat those withdrawal. Symptoms

and then he talks about how he's, given these pills of evil game over the next twelve to eighteen hours that were blur, he did experience visions without going into detail on those he flew back home and in the ten months since that trip he has not had a relapse of any sort, so that seems to be positive, but there is one thing we should end on here: evil gain is now In addition to not being pleasant, there are strong arguments has also not safe review. Medical reports, hard issues, so with evil gain notices that there are life threatening, complications and sudden death cases, estimated. According to this author, that one in four hundred people die from taking the substance because they have pre existing heart conditions or they have seizures due to a cure,

withdrawal worthy take opiates, while also under the influence of evil gained. So this is not something to mess around with. If you are, if you are person who recreation we ingest various drugs justice see right. Just have an experiment. Weird fun time do be very careful. About confusing EBO game with a recreational substance, it sounds like it is very much not, but we enjoyed this email anonymous. Voltaire I know that just a nickname I made up for you, but I hope you like it. Please send us your stories about visions on Ebay gain, I'm thinking I'm going to be honest, I would try it yeah. I think I would too, but I think we both want it to be under the guidance of a

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we're back. You see what I say: no, that one's kind of heavy it could help people, but it could kill them and the speaking of segues. That makes me think of something really similar. That's going on with our pal old PAL Billy G that you met in person gates. Oh bill gates That's right. The thing I most remember about that encounter was how little security he had. He had one kind of intense looking, do they they clearly at a whole another hotel room, rented next door to the room where it was for study, should know Josh and Chuck interviewed him because he's literally wanted to be on stuff. You should know and they never. Have have guessed so was like like a very unique thing, but he was he's got all these initiatives, as we know promoting this clean energy initiative by the thing that bill Gates is most known for, I think outside of, like you know, Microsoft, and all that is public health.

Initiatives he's really big on fighting malaria, for example in third world countries, and just the whole idea he'd. He did honestly predict we're going through right now, pandemic years ago. We said that the next big crisis is gonna, be you now the terrorist crisis. It's not going to be like war, it's going to be a biological crisis and we're not prepared for it. He said this in some kind of TED talk situation because of all of the moves that he makes in that world. He can't him because he's ultimately a private citizen who has a lot of impact on policy and these? types of initiatives: he almost is like a one man kind of sub government. In a weird way like he has so much influence in control and he's able to. I fact a lot, a change which makes

a divisive figure to some, let us say- and one of those people is clear- a very divisive figure Two is, as are anonymous, email or who sent in are wanted poster, it looks like a typical can a mug shot with A run down the name and d o b in height and way hair was, is grey, apparently education in a real sting. Stinging disk here says: college bout net worth a hundred billion. U S and scattered, what is known addresses, I guess he's got a residence and Medina. Why? and ten and one in Denmark, California, and then it goes into your case information and then by the weights, got us like a cherished badge on the top left limbo. Mrs we, the people in the script you know from the council as this case information bill gates, must be stopped. His medical reign of terror and crimes against humanity are listed here.

There's eight coequal crimes here all of which your Bob there's some grain of truth to some of them, they're pretty behind parabolic. All of them are pretty easy to Google and in an disprove the way the claims are made. Things like funding planning the covert nineteen pandemic. Right, like ok, that's I think we know that bill gates did not fund and plan the Covid nineteen pandemic. I think that's pretty clear that it was You know a something that happened at a wet market and in China and kind of ballooned out of control, and I know there's going to be conspiracy theories surrounding this for many years to come. I'm pretty sure bill gates, didn't single handedly meta manufacture and distribute this virus. To what end, I would ask them,

it doesn't, it depends really on what specific conspiratorial direction someone goes here like. It is true that he is funded research into how to handle a pandemic, but to say that's the same thing as planning to create. One is a lot like saying: hey, you know those you know meteorologist create hurricanes, they don't they tried to predict them right and try to help people stay away from the natural disaster. That is a hurricane and a pandemic. These are the same because it say it was a statistical certitude

has been for a number of years right so planning to get ahead of. That is not the same thing as doing it, but for people who think he was planning to spearhead a pandemic, then the obvious. There are obviously problems with that. We discussed earlier, and one of those problems is, if you are doing it, to reduce the world's population which in the old conspiracy theories and you would need to find a much more efficient virus. Scan covered is good at spreading, but it's not it's not killing huge tonnage and mass killings. It is fatal, but it's not like, fifty percent of people are dying in a right right, and you know again, it is largely affecting people, a priest in conditions or the elderly or some people very young who are clearly predisposed to being hit very hard by this thing, which is It is part of the paranoia.

Of it all right or it's a. U don't, really know who's going to affect who's gonna hit, but you're right bandits. A very successful tool for like mass extermination at the very least ripe. We talked about that from the start. Right, yeah, that's correct, and also so then, if it's dead was not the murder a large part of the world's population. What would the other end be? What would the other motivations be, as some people believe there's a conspiracy foot would see that bill, was leading this charge, because I wanted to well there's idea that there was somehow a microchip involves right that he wanted to chip people, or the idea that it was meant to justify a more and more big brother asked surveillance state across the world. Those are two of the big

ideas that I've seen the first when the of injecting microchip easily disproven the five g stuff also easily disprove, there's not not really a way physically that a virus could push in that regard yet, but the but it looks like the sheep that the idea of funding research into preparing for a pandemic has been Qaeda conflated. With funding the creation of covert nineteen right, isn't that one of the other things on the list sure as ban sure? Isn't it that just one little blast thing on this first point: it references something called one which is a pandemic. Simulation. Basically, it's it was hosted by the bill and Melinda Gates Foundation along with the World Economic Forum and the Johns Hopkins Centre for health security

in New York on October, two thousand and nineteen I guess the arguments hair is like who they pay predicted at it The daily labour they already knew is coming and they were like. Testing is out. I this is. Happily the kind of stuff they do all the time you know like. I said it was years ago that he made that talk, and I was too, about that very very specifically predicts. This is the kind of thing that could happen and when during going down these rapid holes like this document, can I you start to think of bill Gates is like Alma This Ozymandias character from the watchman comic Series, and then I don't want to spoil anything so good. If you haven't, read it and also the HBO kind of guess, sequel, it's very much its own thing. It's wonderful deals with this as well but it's the idea of like someone, kind of manufacturing, some sort of plague or some sort of event that calls a huge swath of the popular

action in order to save the world like you, gotta get break if you ask them a garment and all that stuff, so yeah You should start getting into like these megalomaniacal grandiose kind of visions of save your ship, her, whatever save your home, by a mean, a very, very wealthy person. That's what I always think, but I just don't see it here. In this event, to a one me, I guess that the timings holdings again they do. They run these kind of simulations all the time, but yea about this on a previous episode at kind of a length, because this is one of the first things that came out when Covid was really heading there, where people are saying, while the guys were planning on this since twenty nineteen, but But they weren't, it's sort of like lake planning on a reaction to a thing is not planning on creation of the thing right: five fire drills, like Laguna buildings

managers conduct fire drills. It doesn't mean they're, ready to burn the building down or they're, hoping it burns down, they're hoping to make sure every we can get out safely. To a wine is a kind of modelling exercise base fears of a growing number of epidemics covert did not occur in a vacuum. I just I remember this conversation in particular, because I receive a lot of correspondence from people who, in a very respectful way to be fair. It is said that we were part of the cover up. I don't know if you saw any of those, but it's always so flattering like we three of us. Yes, like we were part of the the smoke and mirrors plan dynamic. When do we get our check for that participation? I it's it's like you know, people write people right now we're a we're company. If we're CIA Cia, always wonder.

Do you know how much money we don't make some pc yeah, it be nice. The list goes on than anyone. It then that the first one was specifically funding in planning the code. Nineteen pandemic, an event to a one, so it was in this- is on a tour. Nineteenth training team bill Gates funded a simulation of today's pandemic six weeks in advance, again, ok, We need to go through all these days. They get kind of more and more alarmist and bizarre as the list goes on, but I want to do The second one here, funding development of the covered nineteen virus bill gates is a major funder of the per bright institute. A UK that owns the patent to the virus that absurd. The programme institute is Virology Research Institute out of the UK. That does research with corona virus is, let's not forget,

the corona virus, the sort of this like grandiose name, because it was just like the big one, but corona viruses are a thing there, like a class of viruses, Sars murders riot? So anyway, I just But all this to say Bill gates does problematic relationship with the public health that there's a really interesting article in the New republic, with a very also kind of hyperbolic title of how Bill gates impeded global access to covet vaccines, the the title Little Alzheimer about them, the image of him at the top. It's like an illustrated image where he's got horns and like what push pustules like kind of dripping off his face and his green and there's flames in the background with his eyes, his wealth design, but good Lord,

seems a little a little yellow journalism wise for the New republic, but maybe I'm giving them more it's a a article article. It does go through a lot of the kind of fraud relationship that bill Gates has had with public health, and a lot of it has to do with it. Idea of intellectual property of open vaccine availability. Rather than monopoly vaccine or monopoly monopoly medicine. Exactly does the free the opponents of IP practices in pharmaceuticals would use that's exactly right, an end INA you gotta, consider the source allowing people their quoted in this article are from organisations that specifically are about Something called like pool. Vaccines are like pooling reality, essentially pooling resources, so that entire, carries all vessels, and everyone gets a vaccine quickly.

Post just you know, we know this modern Astrazeneca ouch isn't even available here. That's only available, I think in Europe right visor obviously was. I think first to the table yeah an end. Is there another one that I'm missing? Then he said Breena Madera and Astrazeneca the three that the excuse me, Johnson and Johnson is the one shot done one that there's no kind of conflicting research over whether that one is effective but again that was very new, but the idea that The weak, instinctive, open source coding, for example, like open source technology, is like summons. Steadily summons, making money offer the thing like I mean you know, Minecraft exam, all is obviously hugely profitable further for the developers they also within that environment. You can like do

and then they they make the code available to a degree. Maybe I'm overshooting the case there, but certainly was always the case with games in the past like doom and quake. Instead, we're very like early to the scene, being lay your ears are code. You can you can totally modern, nude everyone. It creates this very robust in it. The community of people. Adding their own spin on the thing you know, this is very silly and frivolous you no comparison to what would happen if, Vaccine IP was made more public available it. It would mean that the generic unquote would happen much more quickly and it would just ultimately lead to more access right, that's the argument of these like pool vaccine proponents. Right here. The idea is that the species is at a crisis point, and this has avenged

actually becomes something where we can sort out who gets credit later. We need the best and brightest minds working together as quickly as possible, with as little red tape as possible. An egg Bill gates. I believe that the bill and Melinda Gates Foundation created this thing called the covert nineteen active seller, raider right with which was meant to have that sort of crowd, sourcing best and brightest minds apply. While also insisting that intellectual property rights will not be light, will be respected, will not be violated, meaning that, for example, if you are a lab in India, and you can make you is a vast over simplification Let's say you and I are running the lab in India and we, get our hands on the the recipe recipe call it that

and we know that we can manufacture this- from our little lab. We could vaccinate hundreds and hundreds of people, but we haven't run this past Pfizer. We just kind of stole the recipe their ip right yeah, but it's also like so you know people in India, people in India, need that leave the vaccine, and there is a report from the health organization from February fifth of twenty twenty one that says the following: this is the kind of run down without going into the whole set of remarks from The who director general Debate Show Director General's opening remarks. The media briefing uncovered ninety five february- twenty twenty one and I'm through this globally. The number of vaccinations has now overtaken the number of reported infections, but more than three quarters of those vaccination are in just ten countries that account for almost sixty percent

of global GDP around a hundred m. Thirty countries with two point: five billion people are yet to administer a single dose, that's all yeah that's a huge problem, because we are also seeing Euro inequality coming out o countries, they don't have a tide of budget to throw at the private pharmacy entities or even enough enough have to get on the waiting list. Everybody agrees there's a problem, it's just people are people are disagreeing about how ass to approach it a we do know it. We do know that there is a fight over this in the news

Right now, like I just a week ago, the intercept reported that, most, U S, residence, agree. A new pull it found that most EU residents in the: U S, once the government to break drug company monopolies, they don't think patents should be holding up the roll out of treatments for covert nineteen, but then In the same week, stat news dot com released release in article saying that Was no evidence that having patterns flows, access to vaccines, so people are fighting about. I don't know it seems like it to be just a bunch of folks fighting over who gets money at the end of the day, but it's like the worst time to have that argument right all religious,

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gates in his foundation wheeled so much influence. Over this conversation, and they have come out in saying that this intellectual property stuff and that respecting these Ip rights is not a barrier to vaccination. Globally, and any other supposed to be this like this, you know voice of reason in global health. You know: whole deal with like preventing malaria and pandemics, in other countries and developing nations, but it would seem that image is counter to this particular line because this deluge show report. Qana says it all the initiative that kind of the Bill Millennia its foundation seems to be pushing back against something called the covert nineteen technology access poor or seen tap gelatin and that is the idea, this initiative to create

voluntary licensing of technologies and reading this directly from a Wha report in a non exclusive. And Its parent way by providing a platform for papers to share knowledge, intellectual property and data. That seems great to me and it seems conduce, till I getting the damn thing done right here here. That seems like It seems like a very pragmatic approach, there's something else that was troubled let me in that article there were references. From the New republic, it doesn't seem like there's an ethical basis to the arguments against ignoring the patent system for euro global treatment of Covid nineteen, the new it notes the closest gates has come to conceding their vaccine. Monopolies inhibit production came to in January interview with South Africa's me. When guardian when asked

the growing intellectual property debate. He responded quote at this point: changing the rules won't make any additional vaccines available, and the rapporteur takes issue with it and says you know, there's an implications not to be too Dennis Reynolds about it, but there's an implication when you the phrase at this point in the Education is that before now There was a moment when changing guy he rules could have made a difference like it's now we basically kicked and so far down the road that we know it. Will you it's not gonna do any good now, but at sure either right, because a thing in this deluge show report these remarks, and it makes sense because there are, Facilities that are stepping up and saying hey We have facilities that can be used to manufacture these, to increase production capacity for vaccines typically in Africa, Asia and Latin America, which our places that are desperately

of more vaccines, and I believe I heard a report. Not terribly long ago. Specifically, Emma how Africa, based on the current situation, may not give vaccines for like years, which is terrible euro for decades and DEC these countries on the african continent have imported. Ninety nine percent of vaccines, like has an average, so it's not a started domestic business and covered from what I've seen reported, has inspired some political leaders in the continent to try to bring that manufacturing home to make it domestic but you're right. This was also reported by Reuters. Just yesterday. In fact, it seems that countries on the continent are overwhelmed by the vaccine. The challenge to the level of infrastructure to like gonna, received fifty thou,

go with nineteen backing doses, from India but hadn't able to train enough staff to distribute them you know what I mean and I'm sorry that's why I shouldn't recall things off the top of my head. I think there was concern about me now, maybe was it in like the most alarmist terms possible that that Africa could be left out in the cold for a long time, but because of some of these kind of Maxine sharing initial. From the World Health Organization something called the Kovacs programme, which is delivering doses to Africa and their goal is to supply six hundred million doses daft but even that only enough to vaccine vaccinate twenty percent of the population. Yet we mentioned in that wanted poster for Bill gates. I know we mentioned that some of the seem to range away from Covid nineteen, specifically, so they say

these sterilizing millions and millions of people essentially in India, in Africa, and then throw in genetically engineering food which drives you crazy. That's that's like numbers, the reason they are putting that in there is to pray, on other fears and Desoto associate them with the various flavors of bill gates, covid nineteen conspiracies, but no, I think we're making a pretty good case that I don't know if you would call it against see, but there is definitely something more something funny sure political, maybe from some proponents perspective ethical, YAP about about covered nineteen and how it should be handled, so is some no we don't think there's any proof that bill Gates is like micro, shipping people or making

five g in their heads through a vaccine, but there's a pretty with case to be made that he's pissed Mission and his various Ngos. You influences that hit his position on IP might be holding up like it might be costing lives yeah. That's the argument right It is the argument I think, there's there's some Santer that much so they're here these other things on this list, by by the in saying Bill gates, crimes disguised his charity or the single greatest threat to the world economy, world health, world peace and human rights. His agenda is one world government? One world currency and a cold micro, shipped population of vaccinated row, we must in his reign of terror. Now I love the end of this, because we must end his reign of terror in this final sign off its, we was in his reign of terror, exclamation mark and then double space. Now

exclamation mark. I love picturing somebody reading all this ingested, like if you'd never heard a bill gates and all your learning about the guys this wanted poster, and then you get to the Did your having these? You know this ocean moments. Your eyes are dilating you're, freaking out in all starting to come together and any here too the idea you go. We must stand his reign of terror you're, like ok, we'll get to it at some point, and they re that last line now gonna be ok, wait, morale, not Thursday. I'll call to action were not ready. I know we're living in weird times: snow question That is easier. Oh down rabbit holes, and we talked about how conspiracy theories oftentimes Eric coping mechanism. You know it's easy here to blame Some may now govern Boogie Man or some evil genius, mad scientist. You know

Gillian air for all these things, instead of just accepting that sometimes the world is just entropy, an indian chaotic, get out sound like a broken record when I say it, but there is ultimately a cognitive comfort food. When you talk about things like this, they could be dismiss the euro? Everybody knows how I have a lot of problems with the term conspiracy theory, because there are real conspiracies, but this kind of stuff you're right, it's it's comforting defeat that there's someone at the wheel, even if that person, as someone you think, is evil so better than Uncaring universe with a fairly certain guaranteed expiration date for our source and you know the idea, Also the idea that people in charge-

things very powerful people are also still people, which means at times they don't make the right decision, and there are incompetent people with a lot of power right that that's even more frightening than an evil person. They really always and the things that are listed on here I mean There- you know their certain He is citizen surveillance technology going on, but it's like you know by the CIA or We know that merely this is all very real stuff, food has been genetically engineered with Gmos. There's no question about that. These are all real things. There. Genocide. There we ve seen instances of love of women and young girls being unwillingly sterilised. You know and throughout history. The covid nineteen Pandemic he's been terrifying and it's easy. Don't you know, I mean even there's a lot of political rhetoric during the trumpet administration, of trying to make that buggy man, specifically China

and I M as though they did it on purpose or something or, at the very least, were grossly negligent and and should pay and it became this charged rhetoric that has caused a lot of anti asian hate crime right yeah. I appreciate the idea is that there are these. There are contextual factors at play here. It's not occurring in the vacuum. There are precedents. There are proven cases of skullduggery unclean actions, Graydon Justices on the part of various authorities. You talk to him and including human experimentation, a more so more so than the average person might suspect, but this case. New feels like the real conspiracy of conspiracy. There is, is one very powerful person saying hold on We need to keep the patent system going. We need to hold the line or the boundaries of intellectual property, because

It is more important than allowing you know some segment of the global population to live there. That's the question: if you want to know why the price of your life is worth that is the that's a very similar conversation to what their having now about IP. My opinion, I completely agree an end. It so dismissive though the position of of of the Gates foundation. It seems that it has to be tied to specifically to like what this is really is. How were money comes from if there's no ip than I don't own winds ninety five anymore. You I mean like aids as I go, it's like a bub Pandora's box kind of situation badger in bags situation. If you open up ip for this than Seagal gonna be Willy nilly and you know up will be a minute in Indonesia Judge it shatters the whole foundation that that in this man built his fortune, on which again, of course IP should be a thing we

You know people who come up with ideas should on them and then be able to profit from them, but it's the same with like you know, when we talk about doktor bill, What I'm? sliding scale all that is- and you say, oh these people work really hard to get in medical school, and you know should be paid well yeah, but that doesn't mean that, like an aspirin should cost me no five hundred dollars or whatever there should be more transparency, and that got us have because its people's lives will think about it. Yet I understand, is valid fear when it comes to the idea of losing IP and the money in the investment, but what would have happened if Jonas Salk patented the polio vaccine? That is the question that I have for people who are strongly on the side of IP, because one thing I know regardless of everyone. Opinions in that conversation, I need is that we will probably not have polio I'll, probably be in a debate

with someone who also doesn't have polio and the reason that they do not have polio is because Jonas Salk create polio vaccine and did not patent it. So we could go on the world more quickly and ultimately, I think that is a good thing. I respectfully disagree with people who would put intellectual property over the lively of another human being, and you know what maybe bill gates should take some evil game. Maybe that's what it means to happen. A vision, glass open his third, I up a little bit maybe that'll chill them out. No, I Agri and Ben, this has been a really illuminating come both of these have been very illuminating conversations to have with you and I very much enjoyed it. A you're right, there's, darkness and enlightened veto silver linings in both of these. Hopefully, this bill gates.

And these conversations will move in the direction of Schuman out on this. P uber is kind of mentality, but with people like bill its pushing their narrative in the opposite direction. That's a lot harder, so billion. Listening come on, man, try some EBO gate, that's for sure Thank you so much as always for tuning in, as he said, the top our compatriots matters on adventures. Returning soon Much says hello to everyone. We want to hear from you. We want to hear your position on IP on vaccines on bill gates, because of course, that's not the only thing that the guys and he's also fund fact back in the day he was, he was gonna into computers, So let us know your experiences with evil game. Your warnings about it, your position on psychedelic as medicine over all. We cannot wait to hear from you

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