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and of applause cure because we went back through and we scorch voicemail earths A cavalcade stories The best part of the show which is you and your fellow listeners. We ve also been getting some some great response, is to two stories that we covered in the past been aims. First, him follow ups. What have freed today. One question that I think has on a lot of our minds for a number of years are one storied died. I was particular very new. To me. another disturbing follow up to some things. We ve covered occurring in the land of our neighbours to the north, which would become for anyone who can't tell from our acceptance somehow so With this in mind, gentlemen, where would you like to start? Will we like to start with the government plans, the fuss with

and control. Would we like to start with the crime in sports, or would we like to dive into perhaps the most grisly stuff about sport? Crime sounds fascinating to near that's where you wanna go ha travel, Ireland little then go my man wide with it was delight at I agree, and I take it taking it away. We are jumping to a message, then, don't worry if you sent this to us, you asked us to keep the email confidential. I have removed anything that could be possibly identifying here and I'm just gonna read the content of what you sent us. So this comes from anonymous. Boxing fan. Go call this person rights, I'm a casual boxing fan last month? I click on a link on a BBC article that caught my attention. The article connected Thyssen Fury This is a very big boxer, big name

in the boxing world Thyssen Fury to amend named Daniel Callaghan Kin, hand, K Iron age and who is in irish crime, boss dealing in heroin guns and money laundering day can a hen was the head of a boxing management company m g m which is now named M T K. I believe it a pr move to change the name. The image and have Mr Cunha hand take more of a back seat I know you can relate, but I went down a rabbit hole of reading about the irish gang WAR between the kinda hands in the hutches h. You t c h. A shoot out at away in one of the shooters dressed in drag multiple crime families, retaliation murders seemed like something out of a movie. It shocked me Mr Kinnock, and was able to still be associated with boxing negotiations and management.

The UK is now taking over boxing by managing many more fighters and is expanding into the United States. I was eyes to hear and associate was murdered in Connecticut, come to find out the? U S, ceo of empty K, this boxing management firm, Bobby Island or yellin, why Ellie and lives in Connecticut I'll, provide, if links to articles in the BBC documentary. This hasn't gotten much average, in the? U S and thought it might be a topic you guys would like covering keep up the great work. Kind. Guards Anonymous boxing fan. So, oh boy, is this listener right in that this is a rabbit hole. I hope I have to be honest with you, When here, I kind of stuck to the BBC as a primary source, just because there was such great reporting coming out of that that outfit in work,

discuss it a little bit today what we found thus far and guys. I think this is there's enough red meat here for a full episode. you were talking about this affair earlier I've I I would go a step further. Say shot out. King war. Take about crime boxing. I would say that sports in crime is one episode by itself and this symbol- crime in particular a second episode, so maybe we call it a two part series while Org. yourselves homework and primacy. If you're here, a two part series from us, please directly I hesitate: send an email to our complaint department: Jonathan Strickland, at high heart radio, dot com. a couple of months to sort this out, but let's, let's get into the story first Ban, because I think wait why but we owe our fellow conspiracy realist here is a little

a little taste a little bit of an overview of why this has to be a full episodes. What he said: oh yeah, sure first of all, there are two things that you probably already know but are worth stating here. The reason why sports in general, and especially boxing, are so ripe for corruption or our red to be taken. over essentially by a group that may be makes money in in the black market in some way. So there are two things you know the first theirs how much money to be made in the promotion of large boxing like like big boxing matches, big fights of any kind we're talking Emma may as well, but specifically- boxing there's a long standing history of lots and lots of money to be made when there's a big exhibition, fight or a big title fight especially title fights and heavyweights, my goodness, because get a lot of people to view them you yet

eyes on them. If you're gonna broadcast it in any way and you can get a ton of people to show up in real life to an event, you can do it in a stadium, just good money from an event standpoint. The other is that bedding exists and its illegal in many places in many kinds of bedding is legal and you can do that and that's a whole big market, but on the side of that the illegal betting, the off the book stuff, the stuff that's handled by people. You know that Maybe you loaning some money out to others. You know this. We can talk about about organised crime essentially can make a ton of money through betting on sports like this off the books, so just putting that out there as where we're level that now to discuss this stuff, let's jump to work, Our listener was talking about. He linked us to a BBC article titled Daniel Kinnock in question.

over Fury Joshua Fight promoters, drug gangs links? This is Daniel Kinda hen, this person who is allegedly a crime boss. He is linked to it. listen fury, one of the biggest aims in boxing he wanted a heavyweight match in twenty fifteen. Then he left the sport for a while came back when some more titles and he's got another big fight coming along I believe its in twenty twenty one and I dont know I do thing. That's happened yet correct me if I'm wrong this oracles from June twenty twenty, but This whole thing. This whole article is about Thyssen, fury, went on social media and made a post about how he he thanked Dan again, Dan and then mentioned dan- can hand in particular for making this fight happen. Xo. In some way, can a hen, Meda section sealed the deal handshake or something to to make this actually occur and ties in love,

because not only is this, you know bring him up on a fame level. He's gonna get a huge, right he's. Also gonna make a ton of money because of this fight and the Irish there's an irish Prime Minister named LEO far out occur. The eight hour aide de K A are who came forward after. He knew no heard this post. The Thyssen Fury Made- and he said he was taken aback by these comments- as they were, referring to someone with a quote chequered history and against, my first time learning about this person Daniel, can end, but this guy has a history, I'm gonna jump to of another article and This one is describing data Kennedy. And now this is very important. This is a quote. Mr Kinnock, and has no criminal convictions. Ok, when we're done others person, but he was named in irish courts as the head of a prominent drug cartel the criminal

sets bureau, which is part of the irish police, the Garda you ve, probably heard of it just from television, that's where I've heard of them from in some reporting. They say that he strolled and managed operations of this crime syndicates or one of these crime syndicates and quote, has sociologists that facilitate international criminal activity in Europe, Asia, the Middle EAST and South America and Euro pole. According to the BBC, identified this gang those linked to Mr Kinnock and is one of the main cocaine importers in Europe. A man says it now: smuggled surplus supplies, two countries as far away as Australia, the need the FBI qualifies him as a narco terrorist as well. I believe, a exactly yes, so he is identified as being this prime, you know a member of this group, but he has no convictions, as in nobody has ever making made anything. Stick

two you can ahead sport early for me. If you can the apparent later in this segment. Are we going to get to why that's not happy her? Why he's walkin around peacemaking? Why won't talk to me about it? factories was way. It was wait till the less. We tell them that we need to learn more. I think first well, there's more staff to this end, its huge in it's like I'm breaking apart the timeline already in by telling the suit sorry tariff storytelling going on over here, but there was There was a shoot out that are our email or mentioned there dear, or there are several deaths that started with the with the event there was described there and that's really how the world, or at least the BBC came to know Dan can an end they're saying in Ireland in February of twenty. Sixteen, that's when there is gunman that attacked away in a boxing match,

resulted in the murder of somebody who was a leader? suppose in the canadian crime cartel at least that's the whether it was reported and its thought that perhaps annual can end was act, was the intended target, those gunman, but instead- killed somebody also high up in the organization. Just not not the target Is this the Orange Callaghan feud you have. This? Is the hut, the hush, Callaghan Food and there's a long time line there of vague murder that takes place in Spain and then from their there's, a cascade of retaliation murders with between the families of the crime, families and there's even footage give you may have seen this there's some pretty grisly footage of. Occurrence that you can find online and there's a b: see panorama documentary that includes portions of that footage.

find it online at a couple places in the: U S, it's kind of difficult to track down and to be able to watch, but you can find portions of it on Youtube. If you panorama BBC Boxing maybe Daniel kinda hand. You can you can find it or you watch it? What watching the legitimate way? If you can, if you want to pay for and support the broadcasters is difficult to do and it does support can add. If that's what you're worried about a known and unknown Earl, not even if we didn't get to the heart of the stuff, the concept that this guy, who is allegedly making all this money, through this crime syndicates selling drugs selling guns, to doing all kinds of other things like that, is then profiting off of these boxing matches.

Are you on paper view there there broadcast the world over? They make millions and millions and millions of dollars and potentially can launder all of that money easily through bedding great that's one of the great things about about ports and bedding you can wander crap loads of money through that stuff, just that the these are Seeing matches that end up being title fights for organizations that are not necessarily connected with work with organised crime and anyway. So it's like selling the image of sport selling the image of those organizations and, in this case, actually getting people killed because of Miss this gang war. I think the most remarkable thing too, about the story on the BBC

the most remote one being I'm being silly, but there is an amazing picture of the sky. Thyssen fury and he's wearing like this, really like crazy print jacket with a guy like a balls honour, billiard balls are now it's like. Actually images of like boxers printed on the jagged he's wearing no shirt underneath it and a necktie just around his bare neck. It's an absolute went on a tiresome fury, the testing furies amazing dude. It's got nothing to go. He's he's hail and I dont want to use the term, but as like traveller, king, maybe you're simply alone. Maybe that's how you would say now. Indeed the panorama I think refer Dumas the Gypsy king, but he's he's like these pre and you can see some well? In my opinion, he's a very interesting character. Let's put it that way, because he really cottages jumped on the scene and many one.

Some hard times again. Some hard rough places came Any easy seems to be pretty inspiring just in that he just goes for it under Brad, Pitt Character and Rash was based on him. Mickey O Neill from Snatch is like a known cinema. Adaptation of taste and fewer ok makes perfect. As lay cow as actually how I learned about taste and fury Ding Brad Pitt Acting, but I thought you said you come from subway fast. Does boy remain? Is that true? Yet? Oh, my gosh I you know, I didn't learn about him until he was kind of king. His way up to the title, fine then lay teens. Twenty Danes will that's the that's. The rumour At least I have entire and talked with Brad or Thyssen about Hills, yadda, yadda yadda, maybe maybe we can get him together and see the yet that's that's! The concept Of course, there are people who would say they object to that characterise

Asian, the perpetuation of the stereo type and so on, but the from what I understand. You're making kneel and snatches is based on Thyssen Fury there inspired by and there's a little bit of em. I dont know the timeline works out, but there it is who directed snatch again goes Guy Reggie Guy, he's a boxing fan as well, so he would have been aware of it. Now, absolutely like a born and bred. You now british subjects the point so this It also is weird here, though, I have watched the panorama documentary yet met, but why what's weird to me here is that you a ton of money moves through boxing a long time. Mr Issing, oh, we didn't grew with Brian Dewey, I'm absolutely everything that he claims regarding sports and corruption. I, but boxing is a hot that historically at least a hot

corruption and eating enormously promising way too long your dirty money, if you happen to be running a criminal organisation makes north of one billion dollars in of net worth this, this we'll get you a lot closer to having that money. Clinging then say a car wash or even selling it'll, arguably even selling, you even the high and our trade Folia for really worrying about laser tagged, never forgot the laser tat held, but before we win, we need to move on to the next thing. I just want to put a couple sources in your minds: If you want to read more you can there is aid, Dublin live dot. I e article here its title annual kinda hand is a dangerous man who brings terror to boxing world, says, bury MIC Guinean, Mick Mick Mckinnon

m c e g, you I e g in Michigan, sorry Is it he's a famous person knew I should know at present, but you can look that up Dublin live. It's got some great reporting on this in all. So if you go to talk, sport, dot com you can read, and entire rebuttal essentially from Daniel kill himself, where he would take All these allegations that have been hitting him for about fifteen years more uniform, allegations been waiting for a long time. He talks about his long connection to the sport of boxing. It's really interesting. Tease see it to see a pr state like this put forward by some one that is allegedly this big crime boss, because it if you just reading it. It doesn't feel like it's a crime boss, It just makes you go while the particularly good disguise, brilliant or something is going on here. Did I don't know it

it feels like a movie. It's just like were our email or said it feels like a movie, and one thing I would add that I share shut up just a little bit earlier. I wire. None of these charges sticking, even though we have these contradictory reports. You see that you see that article you mention map it. Then you also see different people in the box in industry who choosing to remain anonymous in their their outright saying like as a great insider article about this there all right, say yeah, can a hand. Is our fixed, her wind Thyssen. Talking about getting the deal. over the line that may mean that kinda had called some people and told them the street, not you know, or maybe maybe I anywhere from verbally bullied them to be, thread, I dont know if you really, as he is then just getting a call right is. Is this is done,

I need this to happen there I'll get go. I don't know what guys ok. Forty seven dress, like police officers coming into a World boxing organization match at a hotel in shooting now now deal just it is justified, conversation that, without having the explicit transcript of that, you know, you have to be kept. for legally, but you but you know one thing that doesn't help keep people who, who are certain that this man is a crime boss. One thing that does it help forest prosecuting and is the he no longer lives in Ireland's? He lay key for almost a year now he's been living in Dubai, which, which is, I am a little bit expensive. You know, so it does it would give prosecutors question about his income. I would imagine I have a great mall in Dubai. I hardly by is a great wall like one leg,

living mouth. Is it isn't that isn't Dubai also place we're like the rich and famous and potentially crooked canning? Kick it out of the prying eyes of the law enforcement, the aid that can be said about ever Heath, have written fig major of Naturalisation magical Dubai for sure. Has that, like I've heard that right because of the wealth the opulence they that is now just is shown the streets and in the architecture and I'll stay. I guess it is like, maybe more specifically like people with the very luxurious and, dare I say, hedonistic light I'll just be careful. Cultural norms are very different roles entered into by the we add very very different in ways that could very different, a very strict, actually many as many places in the world are, as I hope we.

said before any time. Travel internationally be very aware of this. Be very aware of the laws and the more ease of the place in which you move and do not violate them, because, if you, to a country that says they are the death penalty for something that you would consider relatively minor like marijuana possession the fact that you can see relatively minor, of your from Denver is not going to change their decision that you should die so beam very aware of this, union in that matter is relatively minor rights, and I think a lot of it will take more high level operators in the in the grey area with great financial power. a lot of the concerns about where to be located, traced back to extradition treaties that Why you see a lot of people that make you you might think. Ah, that's weird you're a billion

why are you living in this place? I wouldn't have ordinarily, aren't you more of a Monaco kind of Dude right Bro, but there their living in those places for a reason now, since nothing has been proven dense, Mr Kinnock and all they can be said is that he is living a good life in Dubai, in what, been described multiple times as a safe haven. That's all it's also a tax haven, others lots of loopholes in terms of taxes on imports and exports, taxes on corporate profits and but all gains corporate taxes in general or not a thing, and there is also no customs taxes on goods that you bring in or out of what they call free zones there. That's denote the corporate level, but there's also plenty of individual tax benefits as well. So right

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We all know, and love may mean that love Eureka. Chris again, I swear. I have an actual life are either, but I was sent here drinking a figure in your pocket you may have done this. I don't know, but just a topic headline tell em k alter and make the Unabomber you can make an argument that it did. Kosinski was deadly, psychologically tortured, tortured by the company. Also the master leg, the rim by anybody else and a little less extreme. It would be groundbreaking, important work. I think cousins key at her above her some years should be watered as a champion of anything, but he's definitely no area. I dont know what compelled him to blow people up anonymously: the cowardice

terrorist again, and I am very glad he is running away: supermax them florin, Sir Terror hope but yeah. Maybe that's like some blow back from and killed her so yeah. Thanks again, I work in theory, attack and quality assurance and ten hat loony here. yeah, and I called you much. I never allow a handout ever allay, never part as increased thanks for it for the for the voicemail. We believe that you have a life Chris. We do. You know that only a small portion of and we're lucky that you devoted it to us. And bring up this topic, which I think is super interesting. There is apparent a lot of controversy around this discovery Channel documentary the came out about the Unabomber, while back the Unabomber himself take his escape theatre, Kosinski role,

a letter kind of debunking personally. This notion that is put forth in the documentary there, this article from deadline from January so two thousand eighteen have, I retired FBI agent. The Unabomber I agree, tv series on him is inaccurate and then ass. I am specifically referring to em K. Ultra Kosinski has this to say from several people have received letters concerning that discovery channel series about. me and its clear from their letters at the discovery. Series is even worse than most of the other media stories about me. In fact, the greater part of it is pure fiction, among other things, they apparently passed on to their viewers. The tale that, through the Agency of Harvard Professor H, a Murray, I was repeatedly tortured as part of the empty ultra. My concern program condemned by the CIA? As we all know, Em K, L Choices programmes is not because, as we speak,

aware as as like a kind of a response to this notion that are enemies, were developing mind, control drugs, things like liquid and LSD and other no mind altering substances were given to people. Often anonymously airline, basically all were like dough. and they were observed to see how would affect them or, for example, there is in their interests, as of people being dose with Liquid chiefs, and then try to see how loose their lips worse. As far as like me, secrets, agency, secrets and things like that, there's a story about one particular

agents that was involved in this programme named George White, who doesn t mafia member with this sad teeth, see by rejecting the cigarettes and gonna get pretty Lucy Goosey about stuff. That would have him killed as a member of Lena La Cosa Nostra so interesting stuff, thereby yet back since keep. He says the truth is that in the course of the Murray Study there was one and only one unpleasant experience had lasted about half an hour and I could not have been described as torture even in the loose. His sense of the word, mostly the Murray Study, consisted of interviews and the filling out of pencil and paper, Reality tests. The CIA was not involved since people, maybe difficult to believe the media were broadcast, such a conglomeration of our allies. I'm sending you

I hear with a copy of an article by FBI, agent, Gregg, steady scowl, in which Tesco claims for freedom from mistrust in their name. The J might be silent that the greater part of discovery series is fiction still calls purpose is to defend the honour of the FBI, not to tell the truth about TAT Gusinsky, in fact not all of the state. about me are strictly accurate. That's interesting, but the fact of discovery lied about the FBI. Investigation should make it easier for people to believe that they lied about me too, and it would appear that that claim is specific to the discovery. documentary Series: theirs is grey article in the Atlantic from two thousand and talking about this does experiments and going tell about them in and in many no kind of making the thesis that These could have poison Kosinski against science, which is something that he now he would write about. It is manifest

but nowhere in this Atlantic peace does it mention. My name, K Ultra Feel, seems like that's very specifically something of this discovery. Commentary seems to have gone wrong, at least according to you now Kosinski himself and someone with experience on the matter from then the bureau, the Woody guys thank you, have something to eat heard before this is the first for me, yeah yeah. I've heard this pretty then, over the years there is actually there's a podcast by the show law Brilliantine called Prodigy, which dives into a deep and really well done. Exploration of La Kosinski used for five years, because he was very young when you went to Harvard at the time of the Marie experiments. She was only about seventeen years old. Are these humiliation experiments. I think I know where the conflation begins to at least on the discovery documentaries part, so the Murray experiments

named after Henry Murray. I am part of the experiments. high level were two. evaluate and officers candidacy for positions in the? U S military, the reason people or maybe, maybe stringing some red string, spirits he yarn between the Uk Ultra CIA, expiring and the Murray experiments is Murray himself worked for the o s S the office, strategic services during world war. Two a lot of us. We recognise as the predecessor of the CIA here in the U S and soon maybe from a point, I can see how it might be easy to confuse the two, but the arrest us is not the CIA and the fact that Murray worked for

Oh assess during world war, two does not know, Sarah Lee mean that that narrative the CIA fight he had seen. This is, is correct. There is a there is a tantalizing think here. There's another podcast our network. Since I'm doing There's another pie, gas network called the control group, which is dramatization off of the way Some of these experiments occurred. People who work, and doing things related in K, Ultra academics, professors, researchers and so on, me of necessarily known where the money was coming from. It are having coming through front groups. So it's all two possible that there could have been some? that was later discovered to be part of the overall genre, this kind of unethical experimentation- ah You heard without the knowledge of not just the participants but the bear mentors themselves, soon, but it, but you,

nor is it is a very important distinction, so ski was in those Murray experiments which subjected bull to a lot of psychological stress and again this during a form of year. But that's not the same. Being a sort of the CIA Margie Bird style ringing inherent in Syria air disaster, but the like this, I mean, I think it's. I think it's important distinction. It's it's also, What do you think it's feels to me that it is a pretty ah valued, implausible argument to make that this. This experience impact someone who already had a vulnerable mines, but did it caused them to perpetrate the act the became the Unabomber know that measure I think so I mean those those does that say, was M K, algebra and

You know this was specifically being dosed with LSD. I think something that we we ve seen anyone. It's been around people, that of you now the experimental with psychedelic know that denote the brings out stuff authority kind of their it's the same way like people that are drunk I dunno just in their because like a more extroverted version of themselves, in our they like, you know, go a little further. Maybe, with their thoughts are they they take things a little further, but it's not like that, putting things as on implanting you with ideas, daddy is already there. I just kind of like helps bring them out a little more. So that's true of of LSD and and a lot of drugs stimulants or what have you to me the idea of, like you know, we'd

give me duet. There are a lot of jealousy made me. Do it don't buy that cuz it to me? It's like it's something, that's already laden within you and that it can kind of just like bring out, but I don't really buy into the idea that it can create a monster in his reply and things I say I heart there I had original slate is coming out with a show at the end of this month. I believe operation midnight climax, this sort of its nonfiction drowned. Position. I guess of the M culture experiment specifically through the eyes and the lands of this character. George white and I had a bad the pleasure of being able to generate the thing. I never really done that before so that should be hitting year feeds soon, and that's very well written really great team behind that. So I also beautifully sound designed by our by Julian in New York and check that out, if you want to hear a little more of that kind of inside you know the mind of someone is actually doing the stuff and dosing unsuspected people with these trucks. Just to you know

happens. I love that cop in the thinking yeah do definitely listening. it's gonna be awesome. I can't wait to hear what have another thing to bring up here. I don't I really didn't know much about Mp Ultra connected to Kosinski, but I am fascinated with time line in history. factory in, as you guys been talking about his some of his thoughts and I mean it's stuff, that's worth reading in some messed up way. so some of us are very fascinating, just as our colleague Chris mentioned the timeline with him, also in the late sixties there when he moves out to Berkeley after he gets degrees from from Harvard and then believe University of Michigan he's out there in like sixty seven. I think

and that's around the time when, officially the known Zodiac killings were happening, just put it out there, maybe there's even more Kosinski then just M K Ultra? Why not there's a there's this year the three books that you can read from an author we met named mark you it Mark Hewett that are all about how Kosinski is the Zodiac well. That's the thing we're don't have I mean? as you know, that for most of your previous tax on work, that's the thing when you, when you don't have a law of emergent evidence you, your kind of does speculation thrives I and we tend to look at, can current events and see whether the ostensibly unrelated give us a new perspective on on the up the problem we are solving, so it doesn't seem like his style

oh right, which is the primary argument against it. Well, but your you did what are the arguments? it puts forward. Is that involved so in sixty seven the again according to mark when he's in Berkeley as professor there right, which is right near by in Valea where the they confirm killings occurred in south in San Francisco, just across the bridge, he thirdly, according to this offer those kids things were like he's begin, his warming up essentially, and then, when things got you hot, he escaped to God, I want to say Montana. I think it's Montana rate is in there were. He ended up, that's where he built a cabin. He goes Montana, because an easier to heart and San Francisco in that area for the Zodiac and begins. another version of a deaf campaign. Basically, who

but anyone I would want to hear from the listeners. What do you think folks here we I'd love to know what you think he's clear, a brilliant person right. You can't you can't who'd, you Harvard get it agreed and go to the University of Michigan and get a masters and doctored in math and not be able to put things other very, very well. There could be some scrupulous. There is no question about it. Will I think it's time to take a quick pause for another sponsor break and then come right back with some more listener. Male support for these podcast comes from fanned all sports. Its march and if you ever filled out a bracket before you know, one team can ruin everything. That's why this year, the bracket unfeigned sports book on fan. Do it doesn't matter if you a top seed or an underdog, because your first bet is risk free yep. You heard me new users, get up to one thousand dollars back inside credit if your first bet doesn't win and with day and night, your next chance to score is only minutes away, so windy when you don't have to wait for Bob and market to collect all your money nope.

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I've been digging in and I'll be honest at this point the situation seems disturbing high. You can me violet. I have permission to use my voice island Ankara Busy Canada and we have a huge conspiracy regarding serial killers. First, serial killer, you should look into is Robert picked him. He owned a pig farm where he found his victims his pigs and then he saw in the nineties may have contained. Human flesh Finally, there is a ninety page document that has been reached with all the details: and is currently trying to be suppressed by the GPA, and they are simply. There is a huge repression on the earthy MP and dvd for their involvement, and they are presently attempting to destroy evidence that they had any involvement in it. Talking out about. This has resulted in many people getting best rights, including myself and other outspoken women.

This is related to the current situation, where the police also be sea are ignoring camping. Kidnappings are women and children a woman from that city usually goes missing. They are all around the thing age height and wait. They are mostly all we have had a police do currently still have a problem in busy with missing, emerge, modern invasion. Women are now women are standing up in the morning. The are soon to take us seriously they are ignoring ass. They are dismissing everything one of our queen. women are being driven off. The road women are being attempted to be snatched from their vehicles. They the GNP, refusing to help us someone used to speak out and help the women of busy. If you look into this into the statistics of you'll killers in Canada, you'll find none,

Canada refuses to release those document, the oars in key already know that the tracking in an out his b c, highly highly susceptible areas for kidnappings and they still refuse to do anything about it. The austrian people are involved, the ocean p are involved and all on protecting the people involved, and this is a frightening for all of us. There was child, it was almost snatched on his way to school two days ago, on March, a second one. Third, this is seriously no serious. No one is taking us seriously. No one is in July. We need your help. Please please, please talk about the solution, because many more people than paying attention to this. We need people to speak up for us, because no one is

King, William furiously. Thank you very much for taking the time to reach out to US violet. This is this is profoundly disturbing I mean, even if, even if some of the incidents violet mentions here, turn out to be things that are more easily explained. Just the experience of being a person in communities, Freedom from this is psychologically the bill, taking so what I would like to do is file I'd like to walk through some things: that doubtlessly. You are already well aware of your fellow body members may not be. First, I want to verify claimed I about serial killer, collection data in Canada. It is much more difficult to come by Then the Earl, the cereal murder,

dad up in the? U S so difficult to combine that often win experts are looking into statistics. or attempting to build metrics for these kinds of crimes in Canada. They use. The Euro as a reference you at the ass in canada- are similar in many ways I would argue there not similar enough for that to be the basis of race. Search on on Canada, that stuff I believe- and I think a lot of people would agree here. So it is so true that indigenous women and girls children are disparate fortunately targeted not just I what you call a serial killer, but also by people who commit sexual assault also people who want to waylay someone in an isolated area may be steal from then mug them raw.

The mixed, etc, and we oh that there's theirs better research oddly enough, not oddly enough more towards the West Coast, be caused, of the highway of tears. We did an episode of that. That's that stretch of highways, sixteen in northern BC, where an estimated Yes, man alone is troubling an estimated eighteen. Two. Fifty most indigenous women- have gone missing or been found, murder wisely, troubling, because, a hell of a margin between eighteen and fifty does your human lives, and that also means that we are only seen the ones that were reported. As of twenty nineteen if you are a listener in the- U S, then you don't near the canadian border. You might be surprised to learn the extent of the car traverse e here, because this has been an

ongoing arguments are women. It advocates such as Angela, Marie Macdougall Executive Dry, you're, battered women support services is saying that the Merci, MP, the royal Canadian mounted police by the way, the ones with the horses she and we are arguing that the r c m p is attempting to suppress the truth suppress. I witnessed words, possibly, as you said, Violet also destroy evidence Macdougall. Specifically, points to the larger issue here, which is ongoing sexual violence in that community in and she says no validly. I would argue that is completely reasonable for people who might be Some of these crimes in the future do not completely trust the system to also have fear that one

they may become one of those victims they are currently fighting for now the police Macdougall says are investigating the de there is also the question of whether weather social media is playing a role in this slight people like me, videos you can find their being shared on social media platforms, Instagram Tik, Tok, all the hits where people are noting. Not only is the r c MP in there in their perspective, dismissive of the original claims. Social media, but indeed to not investigating these claims. They are also asking people to stop spreading the videos and you can imagine if you are- someone fits demographically possible victim here- that that sounds

very much like being ignored, right, very largely, being brushed aside, then, being one person in the horror movie who says: there's a monster and someone else says it's. Only the wind poor movie are a perfect, a perfect analogy for these kinds of situations when their factual. and also for situations like ongoing debate, in relationships and aid- I don't just mean romantic once I d the thing, though, for the Arcy in peace, part to catch people appear, is backing. February, just last month, as we record this police came forward and said they reiterated. You need to stop spreading these videos about missing women and alleged abduction attempts because they are unproven, rumors these videos, you run the gamut. If you see them, which you can you can find these to say that

maybe a serial killer afoot that there might be human trafficking occurring and that need the authorities are either well then again, there's no we're saying, but does the argument in supporting did know what they're saying the authorities are either incompetence there either dismissive or are wilfully in some way covering up then, if their wilfully, some way covering it up. It means they might be collude and then also, while you noted possibilities of retaliation right, which would you heard in their I'd like just read a statement from a spokesperson for the Arcy and p and Michael Mc Lion who said quote we an open mind, but far, there is no evidence to support that. Any abduction attempt has actually happen if we see any real risk. We will let the public know. In the meantime, We are asking you to stop spreading unproven rumors

these videos, by the way, the frequency These videos increased a midsummer. profile, disappearances, one Trina hunts import Moody, forty years old, vanish January teeth, I won. That surely killer bell, who was twenty three year old. A mother vanish January thirtieth. So with MC line Others in the r c M, p d- you're here is that the they feel like Maybe a public panic spreading based on unfounded speculations, and fear like people drawing another lying between situations that might be unrelated and saying it's all part of a larger thing, and then the Arcy in peace specifically says there. There

worried that people are encouraging one another to carry weapons on their person as a result, but, but with this with this in mind we we felt that this would be an important thing to bring attention to be cause, Lamar, what's happening right now. Unfortunately, there is proving their is proven precedent of systemic, a systemic. Failure on the part of some authorities too acknowledge these situations. In these trends we did discuss Robert Picton in the past. You guys remember that ensure Vieira rubber picked men, these pretty brutal, or he was very. will end the problem that the correct me you already mentioned this ban, but the problem as it rumors were spreading some serial killer operating aid, I think it was, delay nineties, maybe that there is a serial killer operating and then he didn't get picked up until decade,

you're so later rum in again it's it's that counts. If only the concept if only the police authority appear, however, would have listened to the people You know saying in raising her hand and saying hey, there's something wrong here. Something is going on. That's that's a concept. The problem is with with police. You cannot take action unless you got some kind of evidence or or connective tissue to crimes ray I'm eating. You cannot do. It will mean to speak, for them, officers there is in, like the other doing the right thing in warning: people not to spread these videos, but it is it's a tough thing like We talk about in the short time. How do you know your source if you ve got somebody on Tik Tok telling you together, five disappearances just occurred in? Maybe you don't get all the info in its very emotionally charged? Maybe it's difficult to retain what is true and when what is being added to it right like in that Craig

telephone that everyone has every time another story shared its is, I would just say it's difficult for police. You know who knows what on their. I have no idea, but I would just would say it's in this tough place: wary I can't imagine the police acting on social media videos and statements like that, unless you know people reaching out directly to the arson b to make statements. They could then be acted upon, which is what Eve asked people to do these days. said you know please stop. Certainly videos. If there's not proof of this, I if you do believe that you been the victim of an addiction attempt, or do you believe you have witnessed one. Please they're saying contact the r c m p directly, which is, of course you know. That's that's what the norm

process should be the argument on the other side I would imagine, is there will be people saying I had to resort to the public sphere because I did. What I was supposed to do. I tried to report, and I was ignored or people are fearful, as far as our collar stated that perhaps there is a connection between whoever's, making the disappearances and some some officer or officers. So I I understand that, while I may believe, that's unlikelier hopeful at least unlikely, and encourage people to to continue attempting to reach the new authorities like that, these there must be a very serious situation. Yet exactly this compounded by statements from experts there's a researcher, I want to draw in two named Michael ART fields, who is a criminal? colleges and serial killer researcher, a western university. He studies pattern

of homicide for something known as the murder accountability project. Here, in the U S, and He he's one of the people. There leaned into when I was looking at the problem of getting correct, inaccurate data from four canadian authorities and He says first off. He says that from West Coast who was called the golden horseshoes rounding Toronto. There is evidence to suggest that not one Multiple cereal murderers are hunting and and targeting, indigenous women and children, and a couple of the thing She says in an interview that he had just a little less than two years ago between eighteen. He says we do know for sure in Canada, because no one will give us the data, but for sure you would see Edmonton up to Fort Mcmurphy light up with the indications of homicide,

This already well established and they also get as you will see a higher and since four Manitoba to Northern Harry oh and down to the golden horseshoe greater Toronto area as well, and he says that One of the issues is that murder data in Canada is owned by something called stats. Can all one word sd Eighty s see a Anne and that this, group decides rather than experts who to know what it says. They control the narrative. Therefore, on, my side, You learn disturbing things with this, like the FBI's highway serial killer initiative, which we had discussed, I in its entirety, now pursued in the past. really put the spotlight on the opportunity that people in the tracking industry might have and I'm Seeing truckers, specifically I'm seeing in the industry living along those interstate roots there,

there's a troubling number of unexplained disappearance. And deaths, so the She is, is: is there something we can learn from their from from that research that could be applied up north are. The answer is yes, there is a lot we can learn, but it would he our chances of saving lives would be much higher if we had access to the data from that country in Europe and in its, it's a dangerous thing, and it's you know it's very easy to sit here on the show and say we'll just give the numbers to the people. Give the numbers to the experts. Give transparency there may be intervening variables or reasons that we are not aware of that prevents or just incentivize came from doing this. But then again Can you really blame people for good?

in the social media. If their act in good faith to blame, these people for trying to get the word out about something that they think authorities are ignoring. I dont know if you can now. No, if you should also urban speaking directly to you, people who control the stats of crime in Canada get that stuff over the summer accountability project folks over there, like you, said Michael, and Thomas Grove Doll guys there click it just give it. You will see what happens. They ve been able to identify clause slick, serial killer clusters in other places in the world, and I think it would be good to do then. another issue. Here you know we know methodology is methodology he's kind of the silent melody the data sings, right. I end this me. Even though a poetic phrase yea, I shouted to the old man.

literature, teachers, even those poetic free It describes a really important, possibly dangerous thing, which is its not just watch reported it's how its reported, how it the how its aggregated now, it's categorize so consider this. This is disturbing thing to leave with to tell you that there There really is a great possibility that there's something amiss stats can has disclosed, that be homicide rate for indigenous women in Canada is six times higher than the the cyber for nine indigenous women, however, are filled points out that too often Indigenous women are not properly state as murder victims. Instead, their deaths are characterized, is accidental death or suicide, or they known as death by misadventure. He has heard about one value ass though I were you do some stupid rank, knowing anything

in plain on the train tracks or shoulder incapacity described things like drug overdose, is free or maybe some wine become me briefly, data wanders out into the elements and dies of exposure things like that, it's the AIDS considered somewhat anachronistic term. I would imagine laughing death by misadventures little victim. Blame me. It's who victim playing the area, is call it what it is now very misadventure. Yeah, that's true! I'm gonna be. the point is an immense alike- imply that you are doing something like I said: Ganem cannot the smartest thing in the world here. That's that's true. The the real differ like what would be the difference between an accidental death and death by misadventure. There's this strong implication that This was something the victim knew was risky and its behave activity? The engaged

Despite being aware of that risk, which I do not serve raised there, I am personally comfortable with ascribing to someone you know- and you made me uncomfortable than real choosing the implication clip from always sunny after remaining reference. Oh my god then it's important I think one thing the writers of that showed do so well is is to pick how often and the general public just accept that sort of behaviour. That sort of YO implication, part where MAC says hang on Are you talking about hurting people? You know so this something that does not have an easy answer yet, in my opinion, not just my opinion. The first next step is to release that data and any if he cared if

there is a concern that it would be damaging to an ongoing going investigation to release that data publicly. Just a general John and Jean Blue Jeans of the internet. Then fine do do like my pal Matt set and send it to expert researchers right, send it send it out in such a way that it can be used I ain't that it can be used in a preventative or predictive manner. Here there are far fewer serial killers. Cordon quote out there, the world then perhaps true I'm documentaries would have I believe that the fact of the matter is they are You know what I mean: it's not just the wind and if even one one killer- could be brought down of one life could be saved, then its euro, not not

Emily Dickinson, but it is worth it at that point when you say like what price could you put on that investing he's right under the success of that aid, I'm having a hard time squaring run. standing why this data isn't being collected widest and being disseminated more widely than perhaps you know, perhaps that is due to concerns that releasing this to the public might mean a murderer is able to see it too. And then adapt their behaviour accordingly, but then you know one thing that we never has data point out where Time Cyril murderers is that they are to tend to be below average intelligence. They are not clever people most often in this I know this contradicts the Hannibal Lecter Camper kind of thing.

But the reason those characters infliction of factor considered somewhat remarkable. I is because they are blocking a trend that these people are not. They're, not clever, they're, not special they're, just monsters these criminals. If they exist. I can be found with tradition the investigation methods and using the information that staff can appears to possessed in some regard, so we're hoping that more die those released new. I understand I think we can all understand the importance of any word when you feel like conventional channels are working, but then you can also understand maybe the position of law enforcement. When they say we shouldn't people shouldn't, be beginning these videos, but the best way to stop them

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