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wild trip that doesn't have an ending yet spoiler alert today is the first part of especial to part episode on an issue that bores the heck out of a lot of people, but profoundly affects not just every single person living in the? U S by every single person who is affected by decisions of the? U S, government or corporations. In the? U S, meaning pretty much every body on the planet in some way or another we're talking about a mould billion dollar industry. That's influencing everything from what we eat to what we wear what we see on the news to what laws you get subjected No matter how you vote, because the United states there is this. Who is this argument about this

a number of years back and is still surfaces, world people will say, while the United States is not a democracy, it's a republic, it's kind of like you could describe it as a constitutional federal republic. That means that if you are a person who vote in this country. You are not voting for laws directly. Your voting for representative so lake, let's say Matt Nolan, I all get together and we want some laws changed, but we don't want to be in Congress, so we elect Code, name, Doc, holiday and in Three code, name, Doc, holiday or any elected representative will exercise our will our political power cool great on paper, but the problem. miss those representatives themselves are humans and human beings are easily swayed so, let's, talk about lobbying here the facts Firstly, it is a word everybody hears, especially during election cycles. Right and

more and more money goes into election cycles and they get longer and longer you hear the word more more often Does it mean? You know nobody really It's about that on the news he will say what lobbying is very often weren't. They the word is interesting. In and of itself I mean it refers to the these original kind of special interest representatives that would literally hang around. In the lobby of of Congress, and just gonna like tug on the coat tails of long he could see. No before was may be quite as ensconced as an industry, but you know lobbying is something that is minimal. pension and set forth in the constitution, but it's another these things in the constitution that is up trepidation, and because of the looseness in the way the language is written into the kind of thing that is because of a couple of sentences or a couple of words in the constitution that allows us to petition our lawmakers,

means that weaken higher firms that specialise in in petitioning our lawmakers to get laws passed that either benefit in industry or that maybe get rid of laws. Could hurt and industry yeah. What is it? some time on the etymology ex they think it's amusing and we're gonna need to laugh in the course of this episode. So it is a word. it gets thrown around a lot like I said, and it trends you can see a trend I in a way that tied to scandals in election cycles, but Lobbying is a verb and as an is really If we knew to the english language, I we see it really come into force The ways been use now less than two hundred years ago. I found this great legend that I love the image of it. There's a legend has been reported. couple different newspapers, saying that the term dates back to eighteen. Fifty referring not to

not to the lobby or the halls of Congress, but to off the books. Conversations at a place called the Willard Hotel, because, back when President Ulysses, S grant was office. The guy used to always go to this hotel likely kick back in the lobby. You know can brandy smoke in fine, cigars and once people guy word that the literal president of the United States was hanging out and getting a little loose various like power brokers, would be powerful. People started just sort, you know happening by like Mr President, you also the I also lay brandy, let's talk about railroads and they would take the up. unity to bend easier about whatever it was important to them and then other members of Congress. The legislature started taken it there too, and they also began receiving pitches from these people. Who, for one reason or another, preferred not to whose official communication channels, and eventually

Turning to the legend President Grant started calling these people lobbyists because they were is that the lobby of the Willard Hotel- and I think it's funny to imagine neither the little little directions that history can go a week came pretty. Those may be to him, calling him something else. We don't know brandy was drinking. He might have just called him, the brandy boys, or maybe the willards Brain boys did just a correct myself really quickly. The the my version of this method is again. It is something a little bit after fully down in a which version is true, as history kind of Munich builds on self, like you say that was necessarily the lobby of the capital of the lobby of the New York, the? U S, capitals lobby them your stay capital in Albany, which is, I think the word appeared in the dictionary around one thousand, eight hundred and fifty or before one thousand eight hundred and fifty and one version of this traces back.

You what I was saying, people hanging out in the lobby of the capital waiting for lawmakers to pass and then saying you know like reporter style can have ammonia time. We've been here Germany, the psychology of the really quickly gives you people hit something really important. There been just the fact that the president was kicking back a little bit. It wasn't you know the go, go go mode of being in the office being in any of the official government buildings. Where you know the way you would feel you're at your job place. There's a certain point, sure that exists there, there's a formality to a lot of it, and if you can, you know informally talk to the president. Just have a conversation where there's a good feeling that he's having because of the brandy because of the cigars, because of just being in a different environment, you're gonna problem, please be more successful at getting the present whoever it is too feel a little bit better inside

small way about whatever it is you're talking about seen in setting is not just for LSD it's about relationship building. You know I mean it's like I am your friend you are my friend. How can we help each other in now? It's a cycle out you're right, it is psychological dance and I think both parties are very much aware of it, but Matt you're, absolutely right. It is almost conscious where, when you're hanging out and haven't a few drinks with your quota grow friends, it's a lot different. Then, if you're having a normal sit down meeting like say in an office where you're much more on guard yeah trained people, personal opinion out of this, but I think nepotism and networking are the terror. They have a terrible effect on overall performance of organizations. But that's that's the imperfect way. Humans have decided to pursue things and wild wild he's lobby stories

our fine right and while they all are somewhat through its correct that there's a murky origin to how we began using this word today and aid. All the stories do describe exactly what the term depicts people literally hang out trying to catch powerful policymakers off guard in pushing them, by hook or by crook, to use their influence to some specific end and the english dictionary record some sense of the noun lobby back in as far back as one thousand six hundred and forty was just a place for legislators and members of the public to meet and discuss matters of import that I would argues lot more like what we would call a town hall today, like you, cats, it would be unusual for the average- are met. can voter to drive, fly to Washington fight

their representatives office and just do a walking, I mean they could but to be really unusual for that senator or representative to be like yeah, I'm not doing anything. What's up with you. Do you want some tang it we're on the moon. Most importantly, I probably wouldn't be welcomed by the legislature or powerful person like just a walk up right right. Will they be and that's not, then being jerks. No, that's very this very busy schedule exactly, and so now here in the? U S: lobbying. Is this strange but crucial part american government. It's an unelected part of american government. They have lobbyists and that forces they represent are all unelected and they have much much more influence than the average voter will ever have their well connected professionals. They thrive,

I know the poisons of net nepotism and networking that doesn't make them bad people. That's just again. That's how the process work. Their often lawyers annual here find of true stories about lobbying. Controversial stories scandals. You also hear some unfair defamation, but there's one huge fact: a lot of people miss lobbying is not just legal. The precedent, for it is literally spelled out in the constitution, at least as court rulings have interpreted it. It's it's protected free speech, it's a way to quote petition the

for the redress of grievances. Those are two freedoms protected under the first amendment, absolutely psycho sentiment ain't. You can look at those sentences in the same way, many interpretations of the constitution lead to massive movements like say, gun right, see now or other great example. Like I mean it, is this somewhat vague thing that feels more like a my right as a citizen is to redress the government, but then, because of all the reasons you mention eyes, the visual and incapable of truly doing that outside of voting, or perhaps you know, joining some sort of protest, but This is a very specific industry that is jumped up around these two or three sentences and big. A massive massive billion multi billion dollar industry yeah. It's it's a good point. I mean what's doc. I dont want to pick up too much because you're doing does not favour Vivier others. You today, I but Lucy Doc is in this,

that has a worrisome amount of pollution that hitting the river. Like the main water source for the town and in doc. Write a letter is an individual. well, but then organizers locally and gets the rest people in the town to pull money together and hire a lobbying firm to go to Congress and press for better environmental standards that that is lobbying and has very much not a bad thing. It's a it's an umbrella, is what we say that, like us, the if Doc is writing a letter by herself to a representative than she is personally lobbying that representative. But if you talk about organization like it all re or a pact. Something their lobbying professionally. That is several peoples, job and they probably live in Washington and we're not gonna. The the problem is so complex that we're not gonna look at a time of specific lobbies, because each of those words

probably be an episode of their own, but they're all what we are seeing is anything under the EL word is a first amendment right and it's a huge political is a huge part of the process. Like politicians honestly are gonna, tough time, carry about what every single individual voter thinks and that again, Does it mean that they are sadistic or monstrous? It just means that they're trying to represent thousands or millions of people who have a lot of conflicting interest right. So it's hard to build that consensus. That's why organize new groups around a specific cause is one of the best ways to you know register on the politician scale and there are almost got their lobbies for everything. We might accident. We have a lobby, I don't know, I don't know I didn't. I didn't check lake there's if you like, of magic, something in your head folks,

there is a lobby associated with it at this point, because there's just so much money involved, yellow in that way is a lot like porn. The very good point, man's a very good point, do you think of the organizations like you know, say: unions or trade groups, for example, that you think that's the way that workers organise and protect workers rights. But that's not enough. Those organizations then have to go out and pool those resources in those dues and higher lobbyists to actually represent truly their interests in Washington, otherwise they're. Not that's not there we'll house there we'll houses to kind of help craft policy, but not necessarily to directly reach me it's complicated because certainly there are high ranking those in unions that got elected that way because they have influence. The lobbyists are just an extension of that right, and then I want I'm gonna, get you something that you run up early on. It was the example with us deciding to vote, for

och holiday, to represent us yeah dogmas, others. This concept that we have. We have things that we want. and we're gonna vote for her to go, represent us and do those things who is interesting. The way campaigns have evolved over this. The centre will mean less as a decades in the United States, but how campaigns have evolved to where there's a platform for a candidate generally, the you know, electorate there then matzoh knolls choose their that has that platform that has the most things that we agree with the word or want right. Then that person gets hopefully elected, If we have, you know, we have our way and it goes off to Congress, and then we really have almost no say it in its almost as if we're not we don't get too let somebody who is- specifically going to represent, our wishes in that way. It's more like, we hope, because of what they state

platform, is they're going to do and what danger here, the word about to get into is, we keep talking about it, but we then have that access anymore yeah yeah exactly that's it. That's where we're headed in this episode. Just so it's it's weird thing, I suppose in live, get I've got some great. I've got some great allergies, lined up by which I mean dumb analogies sounded funny. It like three m, Let's hope they land we'll see you guys are absolutely right, and this your lot of politicians, I would say that what are the mist peace. Is there that whether we also need to fill in is that

Our move to elect Doc holiday is gonna, be much more successful if we ourselves are wealthy and we are able to channel our funds, not just an individual donations but into things like super political action committees. As this this could stick it we're talking about special interest groups. This became somewhat of a bad word in recent decades, but it just means people are interested in a specific thing and there's nothing wrong with that. But The issue is that, like many other fundamental parts of the? U S government, this looks great on paper. Right is well cool. I can talk to my boss. Rang talked my represented but as we are seeing in recent decades, more more people are

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you literally ocean of our group, the bondage social issues is that there is a very late. I want to know what it is there, a porn lobby. There has to be a poor areas along I mean this is evidently that's probably about those like billboards. They have to put before porn videos and what the language has to pay. I I I don't watch I dont know why censorship we have recently the way they get in, but I doubt it will be like toe freaks of America, it'll be like citizens for freedom of expression or something. But since this is big, when we talk about big business, we have to understand it. Propagates itself becomes a big business, all its own since the nineteenth seventies lobbying exploded in the U S, and today it's worth over three points five billion dollars. Twelve thousand registered lobbyists. Fulltime lobbyists are representing hundred thousands of organizations and, in some cases, very power

individuals, you know like in the the billionaire multimillionaires their heads of industry. These are twelve thousand individual lobbyists human beings, gas, as a lower number than I would have thought, but I guess it all is in Washington, it's a relatively mish a community of folks, yes, small act a small number of lobbying groups. Organizations do the majority of this stuff because Dave aggregated those connections and relationships, theyve scratched enough backs shook enough hands.

there's a sobering perspective. I want to add here so over three point: five billion: ok in twenty nineteen, specifically, that was three point: five one billion dollars lobbying and the total budget for the. U S, House and Senate combined that ear was only two point, one six billion so as frightening as it is to admit lobbying itself is bigger than Congress. The oars position. It exists to influence in through this financial lens. That's while that already seems kind of off, doesn't it what what the two point one six billion? What does that include that include swimming? we have a budget for causes? Word stated a re exactly gotta, just making sure it does seem insane insane mismatch. My brain is it's one of those like means of the brain like firing and out. It's what's happening with me, but we get we gonna, pull it slowly perspective, though, because

if you imagine Lucia, say the cat, little building with all of the house and send it all members in their the elected officials and all Rogers yeah, but had been imagined each one of those individuals is our Ulysses S grant. It endeavour you're going to a hotel lobby. Now in that field Varying groups all want to talk to that end of it if they're from that state or whatever you can imagine that there would be like one point: five lobbyists per per elected official or two or three air twelve and some spit specialist. Right like this. Is this They hit man when you want to get these four senators to do something, no matter what it is that happens. And it happens way more often, they think than the average first realises, and that's Waidelich lobbying, is one of those mean drivers of how laws get written in the? U S and is due to a couple fact:

and they're, not all the Far EAST, but they create some dangerous conspiratorial opportunities? Labors at politicians, they're doing their jobs are extremely busy people and their Didn't honestly, not gonna be familiar with the specifics of a given issue. This does it mean that they are in any way unintelligent, it just means they have so much stuff that they need to think about on it expert level, so they need teams. Subject matter, experts analysed pollsters that help them learn what their constituents care about. The ins and outs issue concern you know like you might have. You may have an elected HU as a p, do your masters and economics, but that doesn't mean that they understand how and Estuary works writer an ecosystem should be maintained, so they get. These p together and then they also have these folks pitching them ideas about how to address these concerns. Lobbyists can

any or all of these are all yet seen in any hierarchy in business or monotony organizational hierarchy were kind of typically, the higher up. You are in a leadership role, the less specialised, your knowledge bases in the more you really depend on these Team members till I kind of have that certain set of skills, often times that can lead to some pretty significant disconnects the pending. You know how good you are managing your team like every time every time. If, if you watch C span further, it's you know, hurried thrilled. programming is look to it. Doesn't it is they that everything always looks like the early ninetys on cease? Man than I have changed us? I can never. Help but role. My eyes when I see a politician talk about Cyber is like good God Mcafee year I forgave ass. It was Look I've not not say

anything about either political parties in specific, but should the people who care open emails be in charge of laws about emails? That's exactly the disconnect! That's how it happens in its because it's all about who you know. The euphemism they use for doing these backdoor favours for each other is relationships. The relationships cultivated. What they're saying is the money I've, given this person and the things they ve done for me, they're not talk about going teach others like kids any errors, or something, and one that I really love to ban that I just heard. I think I may have heard it before, and I am sure you fellows have to, but if you're not at the table, you're probably on the menu. Oh yeah, as a good one and I The scary wouldn T have in one of these is oh prescient forward in a document that oh yeah, absolutely good call, and so this is These relationships is where the money comes in former and current lobbyists ignore

I want no more another that money translates to access to face time to the immediate picture. This ok so now, code, Name Doc Holiday, has gotten elected and is in Congress. The constitution protects the right to send a letter to your congressperson, but it says nothing: bout. What how that congressperson needs to respond, whether they need to respond or Wendy need to respond? That part is up to them. So you know what We voted for dark because she's the right candidate, we're not going to talk about her we're talking about the person next to her Jonathan Strickland is also an office, his next door, God help us Keith he's he's out presented ever insert district here. He's busy. She's got he's, got just thirty minutes, free at three p m tomorrow, and there are two different folks trying to meet with him.

they're saying congressmen Strickland. We have a very important issue that we want to talk to you about, and these two groups may be on different sides of this issue, but they can. We have only got that one thirty minute slot any source to look at them. You know get the background. One group has already donated pretty generously to his pre his campaign, and several of his colleagues in the house have also drop. I asked him to give this group some, time as a personal favor and then later they're saying maybe will partner with you on that other bill you want to do. You can see how it becomes easy to choose who gets that time with Congressman Strickland at three p: DOT M in theory. Of course, it would be best to meet both parties, because if you understand opposing views of an issue, you have an overall deeper understanding of the thing entire you know. I wonder how it could happen. How often does that happy? I want to

weapons psychology back into this guy's, because I think it's exactly what you're hitting on here been imagine bowling pod, castor, as you know, left a message with your secretary and Ben Bull just this guy, maybe he's in aboard person like men, but but issues in person Right Bates, it maybe you're familiar podcast. You don't know who Ben is, but you ve also got a potential meeting with the imo. can Association of Part Gasters a potential meeting with them? And you know A representative of this group, this name that feels and sounds official. I also guarantee that car This person is going to have the meeting with the official who's gonna meet with that official sounding representative. I think, and its accounts nation right. I mean it's an opportunity, cost right leg, you just let you for all the reasons you you you laid out in its no brainer It's not necessarily implying some kind of quid pro quo. It's there. If you look at,

need tracked. The money by it Not a direct, you know paid a play. You can't necessarily point to it as being a conflict of interests. It's just that the rules of engagement and now, of course, you're gonna give your time limited time to someone who colleagues have petitioned to give time to and who is donated your campaign, but can't necessarily go back and correlate and say: oh, they only guy, his meaning, because they paid to play yeah actually in there's a inured to be fair, there's really solid art. They are, when you say look. It is my duty to represent the interests of my constituents. And I've got one person who wants to do one person thing, but then I have this group, so I am now using my thirty minutes I became more bang for my buck chronologically. So now we're in a situation where we can see the we can see the beginning of the problem? If you have ever wondered why the biggest corps?

relations in the country and the international corporations based in other places. If you ever wondered why, in times of crisis rig it regulatory role backs, they get the tax. Makes they get the bail out When the average citizen like during the pandemic, many people are are early struggling to eat. If you wondered why those corporations got the money first, it is because of lobby you can. You know, regardless of their calculus of lake trickled down or whatever you no rationale you want to use. It wasn't those people who were Hungary and had food insecurity, and you know we're running out of unemployment benefits, it wasn't damn that was able to speak to senators. It was a lie yes, representing a wealthy quiet and that lobbyists can frame their advocacy of an issue as educational Oh, and let me tell you about that- you know it. Let's get out of this. Our lets you like cocktails cause,

no a great MID July place. They make a mean meant jewel up. You know I think euros, some president's when their calculator actually to Co. Owner of this amazing five star restaurant, though we can bring it to and get all you get all your stuff cops no no, I heard, there's gotta be a man drool as earlier, but bent you're in the framing of some Portuguese. You can also even tie that framing back in a way that works in terms of optics for that constituency. Where you can say. Oh it's about jobs, you you can't, we can't die. We can't you know, go bankrupt because then it will affect all of our employees, who are your constituents and they need jobs. You know baisers who say: look if Amazon has to pay taxes, civilised crumble. Also, here you agree with me. Let me help keep you in office,

because you are the person. America needs is a little bit of flattery and they are two people love that that's like the mommy of conversation, and then you have to ask like the aid and this does it mean that these corporations are always doing sinister things. Just that they had and will. This is all a good completely legal the top one hundred lobbied entities right now more than ninety percent. Ninety five percent are corporations. This was not always the case, some listers in the autumn, today may have been alive both the rise of corporate lobbying up until the nineteen seventys. In fact, corporations compare today they largely stayed out a Washington. If you were talking, Lobbies back then you were talking about. You know, like you mentioned earlier, that no trade unions special interest groups, those were bigger actors. What changed? What who had changed was regulation it. So it sounds

looking back on it with benefit retrospect, but you can trace the rise of corporate lobbying, to the rise of regulatory agencies in the Sixtys and Seventys people like hey up, you know lead in everything let's have a little less. Mercury will give some in o a better example how much wrath feces. Should be allowed in cereal and this terrified corporations, because they, like look. If we have to start worrying about how, often rats pooping, cheerios civilization, will crumble and our business will be the first to fall. So politics now cannot become one of two things it becomes either in increased threat to our profits or it becomes increasingly lucrative in and they went with the latter. That's did. There was also this concern knows apart. Feels a little. silly and ideological, whose is concerned

all the american public might be moving in a more socialist direction. We get a stand up for free enterprise, because I am sure that there were corporate heads, private we were thinking like the end. The end of this trend if we do not intervene. The end of this trend is going to be nationalization of companies and that's where that's where a state level power takes over, takes possession of the accompanying right like that's. Why like, for instance, there's an oil field in another time three somewhere and then that country's government says ok, sorry, Exxon or be pier However, we are going to take this. This is ours, now get out, that's what they were worried about, and so they got into lobbying in a big way for a while dark we get some lake. While

Och his party lawyer, hearty slope and Tom cruise dancing in Tropic Mozart, Tropic of Thunder Tropic, Thunder Tropic afflicted with Tom Cruise dancing. Tropic thunder you can have anything, you want it's free for all lobby, we're talking a wild party like see food towers. You know what I mean to get both the appetite tsars, lavish dinners you wanna pedicure, weird, but go for it, nice flex. Let's go golfing right, eight little liked an old boy I have a really great swimming resort, let's go there and then boy can. Maybe we can talk a little bit about this. This whole copper thing here. What makes businesswomen sure, but again they bake main mint, Juliet still in Texas, representative from taxes. That's fine, we'll just centre, probably in your way, not rob not worth senator. Let me get the check and it ain't

the thing that happens like em, you, weren't whirl, prettier invested and our jobs, and we hang out socially over drinks. What do we talk about when we talk about our jobs? We kicked around ideas, you know it's just something that you do and it isn't insight inherently insidious. It's not inherently it's just kind of the way business is done. You know the whole golfing thing like as a cost of doing business. Sure we all like to play golf mommy. I died but let me know we as unlike the corporate elite, but that's where deals are made, it's not in the board room. It's on the golf course and is really not a bohemian growth, because you can't do that either or it was. It was the new and Sun Valley, yeah, How about that yeah? So that's! That's for the Tec. Boys will get but the, but what's so we're at the height of a we're at the height of lobbying parties, it's very good time to be politician is a very good time to be a lobbyist. It's a very good time to own a fancy,

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if you look in his wiki now you'll see that that is listed amongst is occupations as well as the dubious distinction of being a convicted fell it due to a two thousand five lobbying scandals, which got dirty real quick. Won't go into it. But it's it's it's a wild ride and there was a lot of ink and tie and legislation spent in in response to this scandal Uncle SAM started to tighten up the rules Germany, give everybody just a quick linked to jump to on Fox NEWS actually, and it's a great mine it's time, time line of key events in Jack Abraham off investigation is just a great place to go and just see Cannibal appointed what heard in that scandal. Yeah you're playing their eyes, really helpful, because it's easy get lost in detail. Security time line is, is when your best friends, that in that regard. So Uncle SAM, like our rights, our eye. We gotta do something, and so the first have some

called the lobbying, transparency and accountability acted, two thousand six and then The better known, honest leadership in Open government. Acted: two thousand seven very pretty title. I like it, noble ambition. This did a couple things it tight. Disclosure and reporting requirements saw it required people to document more of what they were doing well, what was happening flight, for you know what I mean. Where did you go? What can it gives? Did you receive it set ethical guide regarding gifts in bribes. I mean sorry contributions right, that's horse was to developed right like building relationships, are making God your visions bribing people right. So these acts also in limits on the infamous revolving door, a public private service in Washington, and so they said all right. If you are a former congressional employee, which does

just mean a congressperson. You could be a congressional aid. I then did need to be some rules about when about how so You can go into the private sector and our lobbying, all the people that used to be your co workers at a very effective relationship is that what are the equivalent of like non compete. Clause may be that one might sign working in a particular industry which I know are notoriously tough to enforce, but as a similar, yet you, I think theory they do have some similar dna there, because you were yeah. you could argue that you're going over to the other side right depending on white client presenting as lobbyists or they are doing? proprietary information and using it for personal gain or For the gain of of others wraps yeah exactly exactly, and so this lot this two thousand seven law,

problem solved right do day, let's head out, who was good, it even busters math nationality, Robust Brazil, unfortunately Werner, not so fast situation, opponents. There are many opponents, some of them former members of the lobbying industry. They argued Still, no real oversight is the majority. these disclosures or voluntary and enforcement ranges from lack lustre at best. Outright non existent. You know why, because that scandal fell out or the new cycle now it's just like Mickey Page and some articles from the early two thousands and that dude, he's got a bunch of videos like talking about this stuff. He is on the news in this kind of like good. Given the insight is one of these things where you you get caught for doing

add thing in an industry and then the new cycle kind of passes and you're no longer demonize, and you almost get too like big up yourself by speaking out against the ills of the thing that you were totally apart up in the first place, her facts right and so, let's fast forward the money like the spice and dumas flow it me fourteen the Supreme Court weight in and said, there's no longer theirs should no longer be a limit to how much an individual can contribute in total to any campaign, and this leads to what's been called a one to punch like Combo Move no country can street fighter or whatever your favouritism attack in Seoul calibrate pursue a second punches, the upper cut, though they knocked you on your ass faith right. what the framework on those this is. The combo move you donate as much as possible through a political action coming,

will you make large individual donations or you do both and then right after that, you syndrome? ACT, team of lobbyists, Washington, the follow up, and they are going to get that three p. A meeting make no mistake and they'll probably also later take that senator to a fund raising of it. You know, thanks to public records. We know almost every major entity that puts money into lobbying also donate to campaigns. Why? Because it works, is concerned, Bessie and it works, there's a really cool of very concise into when video on Sea NBC on their Youtube Channel called how lobbying became a multi billion dollar industry and there's a converse. given that takes place between a lobbyist, her former lobbyist. I kick white remember by these very telling and the the scenario, is exactly what you described: bandits and exchange between the lobbyists and that the lawmaker and its framed

like a hey, we're friends. What can I do for you have? What do you need and then the lawmakers, I'm trying to raise a million dollars. Oh not a problem. Let me do a fundraiser for you, take care about three hundred k of that it easily. Oh, thank you so much now. What do you need? Oh, could use a little bit of help with these regulators seconds little. But to help with this legislation, not a problem. I got your back and Very nature of relationships is that you got each other's backs, and it's it's a bribe per se, because you're both do for each other and you're not really soliciting it, because it's all in these very low key terms that are all revolving around. This friendship is mutual understanding. Yes, the symbiosis. Here, if you think about the class divide that this represents, you know I mean just how vaster difference there is between some networked person, whose working as a lobby

or within lobbying, firm verses, community somewhere in a city that doesn't have percent representation like that or doesn't know people in those same circles in the same shark tanks where they all hang, I'll always. Does it really alarming yeah yeah again it only happens because it works in terms of companies perspective. It works for the companies entities involved as well as the few powerful individuals wealthy enough to play the game, but again in this inherently conspiratorial swirl of deep money and reelection cycles critics, but the normal citizens, whatever their personal political beliefs or leanings, might be often get left behind. The reason they believe. That is because it's true, it's absolutely true-

as will learn in part two, because this is just the beginning in part. Two of our series on lobbying we're going to dive deeper into some stories of scandals and then we're going to explore the troubling future of this devilishly effective practice, but for now Vulcan spheres. Realist. We want what you think should lobbying be more rigorously regulated? If so, how because it seems pretty tricky to ban lobbying altogether because again it is literally enshrined in the constitution, is based on a fundamental crucial right that the FAO Your father's Roy down and the reason they wrote a down people believe is because they did. Why any one single interest to have too much? whence they already newly were building a cauldron of tremendously contradictory aims and ideologies. You know before we come back for the second part. I think we need to

political action committee many a time, what does it take visit Are they to be somewhat of a barrier to trade, but in others, like a bunch of these, and now with like citizens? United, it's like eat more easier easier. Now, more than ever to start your own political action coming Remember when all Johnny Oliver he did deserted. So our first steps are to get attacks. I d I did look at the attack I D and Bank account appointed treasurer. You had. The steps are easy to find, but they they can become. acts because there are, you know there are barriers to entry light. Yet why not tell us why we should name are pack up is Americans for Applebee's? They point what is our pack about it's it's about! the local sun, dried tomato wings, somehow

Ok, we'll call out we'll call it a bee pack. We, you know it's we're because the First thing I want to do is have a pact that lake is against nepotism, lobbying, but that feels like a non starter. I feel like the politicians, would take our contributions and probably take our meetings and eat the way that's what I'm saying we get him with the wings. That's how we get started. That's our first link move us our first play and then we can move on after. There are addicted to the wings. the wings? They you guys, you want to eat the rich come. I would again like to eat the rich gotta get him fattened up on the wings of the it's like a fourth round, clang of guys we say we ve got it. We ve got some exciting work to do on our platform. You're welcome to join and, of course, as always, to contribute, don't feel like you need to contribute financially were much more interested in

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