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that is on adventures. They call me Ben we're joined, as always with our super producer, paul mission control, deck and, most importantly, you are you you are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want. You to know quick disclaimer at the top Today's episode contains at times graphic material involving coercion, brainwashing and sexual abuse. As such, This may not be appropriate for all listeners, but we can assure you. This is one doozy of a story, and it's one a lot of people in the. U s might not know no other than a few articles by broadly advice. Right yeah, don't you press little about it and very quickly, into a deep dive. The became kind of a nose dive down there, about all of this infamous

fascinating, complex and most likely diabolical dude named on nine october. Yes, our exploration takes us across the atlantic all the way to turkey, so the story of a cult creationism and controversy so Let's learn a little bit about the now infamous odd non tar. Here are the facts you may heard of this guy called odd non hookah, or you may have even read one of his many books and pamphlets written under the pen name haroun ya, spoiler. Pretty sure he didn't write a lot of these himself, but he was born in ankara, turkey in nineteen fifty six and he was growing up in a pretty well do pretty connected. So pillar family, but he said a lot of religious ideology growing up. This was something always captivated him either as he went to school, quick, secondary and far less important, disclaimer

I am now ensconced in my new house- and there is some construction going on outside on deck. Situ if you hear some banging or saws or something intermittently by, I please extend my my deepest apologies but back to octa in nineteen. Seventy nine. He went to assemble and enrolled in my marston, I'm fine arts university, where he wanted to study architecture. Interior architecture, which I guess is that is that how far removed is that from interior design? I think it's kind of the same thing right I was wondering the same thing. It might be specifically related to the construction of mosque. You know that interior of a mosque is so can be so beautiful. We want a great intricate and might be that there will be The discipline that would be very specific to that part of the world yes agreed, we want to give a shout out to a work called the muddy where's our money. This is a great source online about this guy

and his rise and fall. So while he was in university, like you were saying, no studying interior architecture, he also becomes involved, in religious activism It was a really interesting time for anyone in turkey to be religious activists, because, just one year later, nineteen eighty there was a coup and military junta took over things were tense. He was highly politically culturally unstable at this time and the like the two overall groups that are being are secular forces that one in their opinion. They want to modernize the country by which they make it less religious and then a wave of islamic fundamental, Minister, you could even say militants and they believed that secular turkey represented turning away from god. So these people, with a very short in their ideology and their very much

highlander rules. There can be only one at the throne of government and during this time, there's there's there's a mosque nearest it's the Malta mosque and he go is there an meets with other p, all other really scholars and students and activists- and according to some of his ex colleagues, he later becomes something of a religious zealot, but not what you're thinking, because he's zealotry becomes very re unique as will fight, yeah he's essentially like trying to reform in some ways: Islam, especially as it pertains to women the idea of women. The way women are treated and women's place in society. At which is interesting on its face right, because I mean we know that, like a big controversy surrounding hard line, and the mentalist muslim culture

if that didn't fit with the treatment of women, as this is very you know, retrograde the idea They are required to kind of cover their bodies and origin. Not act to in demand, they are somehow like. I guess vessels of sin in some ways at me again, please any muslims at their fundamentals, muslims out there the zero shade on anyone. Religious choice. I just think these are observations that most anybody could make, but if I'm getting it wrong, please call me on it, but point is shoe women who live in this culture. I can see how this type of thinking could be interesting eventually near, say, there's there's a guy named Edith yoke saw who will will mention a couple times here. I am According to him, he's the one who The Mola mosque gave oak tar this. Yeah when he said you know, there's not a requirement where his job in the koran, oh tom, took

she ran with it, and I agree with your point that this could be an attractive and maybe more free, see me the system for a lot of a lot of younger folks who may be felt oppressed by society he wasn't by the way preaching to just anyone at this time, like a lot of charismatic cult leaders, He is targeting folks he's targeting people from well connected wealthy families in istanbul. Folks were young and a suitable and have access to money and power, not every. Agreed with him, especially as his belief, Scott, more what's idiosyncratic over time, but everybody agreed on one thing: hot dog. They said this guy is carries

attic, you know what I mean you could hang out. You could have tea with them. You might not agree with him, but he'll make you laugh. It'll. Give you something to think about. You know he's got a a a public personality. You know larger than life. He sure does he's he's fond of dancing became like tat, no music and fine suits. He has very distinct. Can a haircut They didn't wake, you styles, his beard, I mean he really is this kind of almost televangelist kind of figure, it's a different style that, where you see here, would like these prosperity theology you folks, we might see on tv, these mega churches were discussed. The more air that don't you think then yeah, I agree, There are a lot of analogues. We can draw because, as will find, he is extreme The interested in preaching through mass media right and he starts

you know, he starts in the eightys which very different media landscape sometime between ten, eighty, two nineteen, eighty four, he forms a solid group of followers. They call here into a group of about twenty two thirty and then this group starts growing because he's looky he's recruit. He's having his followers, recruit, kids from private high school and just like the other ones. There well therefrom, well connected well to do families, but a bonus. For after their also yet even younger. So he preached what he calls a refined and urbanized version of existing teachings truly children of the privileged class, and he says we're going to avoid all this stuff the old buttoned up traditions, We're gonna remember, what's really important here, the things we fight it gets. We fight against left wing ideologies like marxism and communism, but of all

the things I hate the most as of tar. The most dangerous thing ever is evolutionary theory and darwinism, demos back door. My my goodness. Ok- and this makes sense right, I mean well. Let let me walk that back. Just slightly in the context of funding and tall believe in a singular god. As a creator, darwinism is, is a little bit of a sticky wicket ray it's a little inconvenience, of course, we know there are plenty of christians who believe god and believe in you know the bible in whether it can complete strict construction ist version or you no more like a parable earl, I kind of like allegory, who also believe in evolution there of scientists who are devout religious people who believe in sight. Just as strongly as they believe in religion, and given that he's,

this guy actors going for a more political, progressive form of Islam. Maybe that would include I am zombie like. Oh no, we we we allow women to to be treated not only as equals, but it will get to this as superior, but also yes, science can coexist with. No, that is not the direction he chose. In fact, in fact, is he's almost more before people thought of him in the context of this group and as this kind of de facto, Cult leader, he really was considered a religious scholar of creationism yeah exactly- and you know this this is a point that I know will be important to many of our listeners who are themselves of the islamic faith, overall, Islam is quite diverse. More so than I think many people outside of Islam understand and just like you said, no islamic

Views on evolution have a wide range and he is very far on creationism end of the spectrum, but people like it and they were optimism. Scholar up to a point in what you would say you of your average person in turkey might say so far so good. I mean many people of the islamic faith might disagree with him on various points, some people we're already saying this is getting kind of coptic, but in general, people can believe what they want, so long as they're, not hurting anyone. That's the idea, our involved in some agree, this level of organised crime, her criminal activity, which you now could argue, has varying degrees of queen cor hurting people. There are no victimised crimes most of the time, but yeah it's a thing. My question, for you bet is: did he pursue any higher degrees beyond his interior architecture? Studies that

the allow him to like officially be considered like a member of like the kind of literati or was this sort of like he was like a self styled. Almost like armchair scholar like, You mean like where some preachers here in the? U s, just our calling themselves- bishops, yes, that he has so he started right a lot of publishing a lot. We should say and we're time pamphlets The theory of evolution which uses mysticism and science sounding words to kind of attack- evolutionary theory, but to your question in nineteen eighty six, he enrolls at the philosophy department of istanbul university, which is quite prestigious, and this gets him more news.

Bridge. This gets him closer right to attaining that kind of higher degree, but for him more important now is the goal of acquiring more followers, particularly impressionable female followers from wealthy backgrounds, and and of course he starts getting into pretty whack adieu. Conspiracy theories as an audience for it, yeah yeah that this should these on his forehead and when he's doing is he's make it so pretty hot takes in interest of of turning heads right, How much is five hundred jellyfish page book, tat, judaism and freemasonry which I believe of a member state embed, had some pretty anti semitic to it. Yeah, and it was it's it's one of those books that.

It's not super original, it's kind of like his own, take on the classics It's sort of a cover album of the idea that some hidden group influences the media, academia and political structures of not just turkey but the world. To quote road, the spiritual, religious and moral values of the turkish people and make them like animals so boom. Now it gets them hate speech and you are right. He is courting attention and controversy, and this gets him. You know the clicks, figuratively speaking He starts leaning into it and unfortunately, this kind, anti semitism is all that unusual in turkey, but remember there's still that secular religious tension, so secular authorities have their eyes on him. They have their eyes on anyone, they think might try to have another. Coup and create a theocracy, so he gets arrested, locked up

for almost two years, nineteen months and he never gets, formally charged. She eventually gets let go, and I think that one of the tipping point actually just give you a sense of how tense the country was. Is Oh tar was in a newspaper interview and he said I am from the nation of Abraham in turkish ethnicity, and that was too far, but you know just like like the propagating anti semitism and telling people you ve got your own. Take on islam getting arrested, gave more pressure gave a more publicity. That's what this guy's all about, so is move It grows and grows through the eighties through the nineties, and they start to have that classic a ridge no recipe mission creep of all cults. He becomes more and more a messianic figure he's not now not just some guy talking he's a guy.

Revealing these truths that only he can reveal- and maybe we talked The second about his books were still just in the facts were not the crazy about you. Because know you- and I were talking briefly all fair and it's like, even though his name- is on a ton of of pamphlets. Shout out the pall mission, control Paul searched of the guy's name and his occupation came up. His turn if pamphleteer by you wrote, he rode all these books and pamphlets word on the street that we heard is that maybe his followers were the actual authors That's the thing railway. When you take on that gonna messianic role, or that a truly called leader at a position. You essentially like one everything, your followers do because their due all like the serving at your pleasure, almost under the guise of like self improvement, but at the end of the day,

they're, just kind of another tool in your portfolio yeah exactly and he starts a lot of he like starting organizations. He starts one called the science research foundation. We are not native tongue, speakers or yoda mispronounced this, but its pheelum, arrests, dear mamma, lock, fee or be av, is what it's there For and they hold all these conferences and seminars kind of lake, scientology pr push way. Want to say we're going to tell you the real causes of social and political conflicts. I mean I love the the just bare bones: basic nature of the name of this, because it's so simple that it implies like we are the authority on science. We are the science research foundation, we're doing it. So you don't have to tell us when we say that evolution is bogus. Also a lot

his books contained images of like fake fossils and things like that. But oh yeah, that's that's. The thing to do is tell goes down on haiti. Evolution it's like d, worse thing to him by this leads. Other members of the media have had their eye on it to start openly, calling anything from a call like organization to a seat. Islamic sect. He starts other thing in nineteen. Ninety five called the foundation for protection of national values and was a networking opportunity for him to start connecting with can it is nationalist organizations and influencers powerful individuals. Two years later by the way, since nothing happens in a vacuum, there is, another military intervention and ninety ninety seven, this is often called a bloodless coup in two years. After that add nano tarzan, stayed and charged with using threats for personal benefit and crew,

eating an organization within intend to commit a crime. He gets convicted, sentenced to three years in jail. Verdict is appealed in twenty ten. It was over earned the same two thousand and ten. He is called one of the top fifty of the five hundred most influential muslims in the world by the royal islamic strategic studies centre in jordan and then year after that he gets a tv network. Yeah, and I mean it what it is yeah. So it's it's not just an internet thing. It's actually also broadcast on turkish cable right It s called the eighty nine satellite channel anna really does kind of have the feel of sort of a. U two meets leg wanes world can enable access type show with you now is an oblique constructed, sad, but looking on below Burma, cheapside

and you know with a with octa kind of positioned as the as the anchor the hosts surrounded by like ipads and laptops and stuff, and you know mainly acting as a platform for him to espouse his own personal views, yeah exactly it. What you could call his unique and of tell evangelism. Ah we'll get to that. We're going to dive into that programme in specific and just a bit, but if you're from with this story you might be saying, hey. Didn't I see that guy the news a few years ago. You certainly did because on July, eleventh twenty eighteen, the turkish people. These financial crimes unit did arrayed, they detained oak tar and over well over a hundred and fifty of his associates, the charges were, among others, forming a criminal enterprise, committing financial fraud and widespread sexual abuse. So what on earth was going on without done o tar pause for work,

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I come let's ride, highbury, Savannah Guthrie and Hoda copy, and we want you to join us every morning. For today's can't miss summer we got new ways to get healthy to have fun on a budget we're going to help you with every single thing you need, because we want you all to have your best summer. Ever all this week, hot fashion trends from bestsellers to big events, how to style it all just right. John Morton has a summer steals and deals. Uni was Kim kardashian, julie, Andrews and alive causer, with rising pop star conan gray start your. We gain bright. Why every morning NBC views it gets crazy tat. So if you didn't already can get there get us there. Which way the wind was blowing, this is definitely a cult. Ok, weekly allegedly, he dared not not nonsensical galileo

not only the radio regular all run of the mill call this a sex called because he turkey will get there. I was ab really like a massive media figure at this point television show use very popular as an author like we like, I mean he was really more known by I name. We I exactly I infer lay, I think you were put out anyway. Dozens of books on creation is and they sold a very, very well in turkish bookshop he also has become this kind of like in a media sensation on tv now, so he really is kind of like a like a double threat, if not a triple threat by the way, if you want, you can check out clips from his show, does his broadcasts and broadcasts and it's all very self aggrandize documentaries about him kind of business. The euro, you said Ben, like elevating him to the status of almost like a demi god

now on earth, and it's weird unequivocally paragraph: it only because of just two production value and the self aggrandize. Men, stuff and we'll get into the the buzz women has women, but also just like he changes his story alive at all I was very like trumpets, kind of roman with it, and just canada, she's, not whatever comes the top of the dome and figure out a way to explain away if, if ever called on when she's, not because nobody calls caught leaders on it. That's why you're a colleague because you don't want to be called on, thinks he's just freezes. Calling for a lot of it. To be honest with you, I end. Yes, we are not the only ones us outsiders who are not ourselves, turkish, we're, not the only ones who found the show weird his views are pretty contradictory at times, especially if you look at everything

over the span of what he's been saying, it seems to have a lot of inner conflicts. Weekly fundamentalist in some ways- He calls himself a feminist near he had an estate in others. Let's go ahead and say it one of the things that free people The most is that, while he's doing these diatribes his female devotees, he calls his kittens arse, looking around nodding and they ve been encourage. May the worst in some cases into looking almost actually the say. A lot of plastic surgery lotta make up and the only difference for many is the hair color summer, not blind and in between most hard blows are lost. Are nearly identical and blood and in between his his statements or his lectures, they play pop music.

Just like we said he loves dancing and then the kittens get up in It's like a binny hill song or their haiti and playboy out or are we maybe a watch different episodes? Nimbly do differently or its evolved, but when I saw the highly recommend checking out the broadly vice doc, jerry, where, like an incredible corresponding, goes and actually appears on. The show where she is forced to be slathered in like weird makeup against her. Will I mean she, you know it is submits to it for the purposes of the journalistic. You know curiosity, but it's like the weirdest thing and in this episode in the like little sideways. The women are dead see, but they don't they're sitting while they're doing their their seats just kind of bop into the to the rhythm and like this journalist, whose name I will will pour before we we finish of starts along this road clapping awkwardly, while they re around

It's the weirdest thing ever he will yeah, ok or will also ask one of the good this. They come up, unlike stand there. While he does a weird little debts. You know just kind of lake I don't know if this will translate, but he's just sort of moving his elbows in his hips kaliko half daddy's in his hours on artist, video waving his hands around canna shimmy from side to side not take her believe, adding also precision. I told you that I can't stop time. I told you that, Okay, so yeah lunch saw that broadly peace sue and you you mentioned the the incredible journalist named mare Ahmad. But if you were, would you tell us more about her exploration and kind of where some of the questioning that she was able to get in under duress by the way yeah oh my god, if you were listening, were grateful to you and you are, in my opinion at least

you are a soldier because her story starts when she's, trying interview members of oak tars group about feminism is long and she gets a pen pals who one of the kittens in this group- and they talk over skype freely a year. There's a lot of pre production going into this. She tried calls to assemble in twenty fifteen. To make our video were mentioning for four vice and her our idea is look. Let me just let me try to get past which, like a facade here, everybody is being eared Lee nice to me like step third level nice to me, and the male followers who were called the lions are cause we checking in and trying make sure in her view that she doesn't get any loan time with the kittens, including your pen, pals, doesn't get to talk to them at all, and she gets is very curated xx

periods being on the show. You can tell it super awkward and she you know she powers through it. I think in italy your statement she said- and I left with just wait make up slathered god, and this ditch huge photoshop. Booker fossils happened, she care she's. Freaked out, and you can tell why in the video, because it turns out there's a dark side to this it's, not just a weird kind of turkish shoe. Hefner meets religious movement thing all voters, tremendous influences. Cultural power and charisma leads to the tipping point when the tide turns and twenty eighteen, the laws crack down on his alleged financial crimes, but that's just the beginning, as we speak Now the guy was originally sentenced to

more than one thousand years in prison, one thousand seventy five years specifically for crimes like sexual assault, section abuse of minors fried attempted political. Military espionage, Ed and no, I think you'll have fun. With this. I pulled the I pulled. The official of the entirety of the charges. He got slapped with figures, if I'm reading it by its along with so given clean, your voice, acted yeah, ok, perry, go as long as they, the kind of thing you read in. Like a you, know, pharmaceutical ad disclaimer speed just to get it all out there, but will will slow it down a little more than that, so you can really have a chance to marinate and some of these accusations. Okay, so we got criminal organization, sexual abuse of children, sexual assault, child kidnapping, sexual harassment, blackmailing false imprison, political and military espionage, fraud by explaining religious feelings, money laundering, violation of privacy forgery

of official documents: opposition to anti terror law, coercion, use a violent slander, deleting citizens for mandatory military service. Once just insulting students. We solve the vaults incrimination, perjury, aggravated fraud, smuggling, tax evasion, bribery, torture, illegal recording of personal data, violating the law on the protection of family and women, and violating a citizen's right to give education to spain. Politics o end attempting a coup by the way this reminded me. I didn't expect this to show up, but oh tar was also found guilty of aiding a group led by muslim preacher, name for throughout grew london, who we covered in a previous episode Yours go through our sources, the air with our Al Sam teagarden garden actually went to that school so writes that was sort of the front right. The school in an right azalea, especially to turkish critics, will say that

they say go line was attempting a coup in twenty sixteen and that oak tar was helping them in the law gets to his house. They find so much weird stuff. What are the things I find? is a hidden cache of firearms body armor and armoured vehicles, oak oakdale byways, caught as he's trying to run away two of his. I guess your level followers executives park on travis and oak tar barbuda ourselves you two hundred and eleven and one hundred and eighty six years respectively and during this trial which is a sensation in turkey for months right. It's like the oj trial or the Epstein trial. People are paying attention to it during this trial, the poor, here's profoundly disturbing sex crimes and accounts of abuse.

Detail and oak tar is leaning into this kind. A constructive Now the he piazza beadlike wise, but also very macho right. Any sees himself as a ladies man. He tells a judge december of twenty eighteen, I've close to a thousand girlfriends, but it seems it. According to multiple from members of his group not near all of these girlfriends were consensual. The guardian had a good recount of this. There was one person at his trial, cold survivor identified only as c c I and she told the court oh tired, not only repeatedly sexually abused her, but he had a b, other women as well and in raid, we mentioned earlier police found sixty nine,

thousand contraception pills. When asked about them oak tar said he there used skin disorders anyway, told minstrel irregularities, but it turns out by multiple witness. Including see c many Women who see he had sexually assaulted them said he also force than to take these pills afterwards. See by the way said she herself joined the colt when she was seventeen years old and the abuse began shortly after and disclaimer within the disclaimer. This is the part where it gets super dark. You may have noticed in the first of the, but early of the charges are rattled off there was and sexual abuse of children this has been that this has been corroborated by multiple former members of the group, of course, Siena after

all of these things, vehemently and end, says that all of these former members are just bitter in china, bring him down and are trying to sort of like hell. Stem has laid political ambitions and things like that, an error was out to get em, it's a witch hunt, etc. Here is what we do now Cedar is still dark. I was another serve ever reform. Remember I told the sunday times that actor also sexually abused her when she was sixteen. He also force to undergo a nose job. She claimed without any seizure when she was twenty victim said she, still traumatized by the brutal surgery. Stating I can still remember the hammer. I was counting how many times they were hitting the hammer in the chisel to my nose, holy cow There was a peace that I watched on a youtube channel called the news makers. I'm not sure if that

the television based thing that has a: u two presence or if it's just a you, do they when it was, it felt very much like a BBC style report. That's it it had. This particular episode had a gun by the name of silence all school. Who is it follower of edna jar and The host asked her point blank about the The delegation of the child rape similarly that's how he put it. He put his child rape, no hedging around that, and she said yes, it does, happen. While she was there, she didn't see it with her own eyes, but this He believes that he was sexually assaulting women. Now, what were girls as young as seven years old. And we should also acknowledge this woman that I'm referring to.

Also, though, in the vice documentary that that we ve been talking about, and she was the one of the more outspoken memories of the of the group that spoke and here's the thing. She's very intelligent lay shelly as things to say there that are very thoughtful sheet. She makes all these points in the vice thing about how dark hated women, which there is evidence of roaming darwin Every animality discovered he's a real cat, and yet as the time where most men were not particularly kind to women I would imagine someone of darwin's. You know rarefied intellect you know, probably was a bit of a pill to women, but she points out that in others nowhere else in the world other than this group with skull. Where women, the best you can help or anywhere else in the world she says, is for women to be treated as equals, but here she says when when they walk into the room there treated like rare

creatures of magic and an end mysticism love bombing. That's the technical one zillion percent we've talked about this in the episode where we interviewed the folks from was I an occult and it's just it's just a very common technique, and now this newsmakers episode was from July of two thousand and eighteen still, you know handful of years ago, she's out and and speaking openly about now the abuse that she saw and right suffered personally yeah and she's doing this importantly, I she's doing this before the trial right is she she gets out early so we're starting to see how deep this goes. In Britain, a pause for word from our sponsor and will continue to dive but being driven, staying, focused green roads. Focusing clarity, capsules can be your secret weapon.

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John Morton has a summer steals and deals. Uni was Kim kardashian, julie, Andrews and alive causer, with rising pop star conan gray start your. We gain bright. Why so every morning, I'm busy in addition to all these horrific things, We also learned about the inner working of the courts and oak tar. Its aims are very clear: any is Engaging in a highly targeted identification in an turning system. We know that because several of his former followers spoke to the court in return. For full immunity from prosecution. There was one guy who is identified publicly, as sacking who says he became oak tars follower as a teenager as an impressionable young. Well, the dude,

British kid. He learned about the movement from some friends and, of course it is a teenage boys so he's like super into the mystique of this most interesting man in turkey is always surrounded by winning your look like they come out of the cover of a fashion magazine and he has cool stuff to say you know and he's got a different kind of islam, a different kind of take that might fit you better, at least So exciting things add oak. Tar, take him in so stressing in designer clue, starts having and work out Stylish, but not just to help this kid self esteem, so. Yes, probably one of the last concerns So he learns. That is good, looks new persona are purpose built as bait. To lure o tars next goal: female followers,

he and the other male followers, that oh tar causes lions, they just hang out in malls a phase in their so many cafes around turkey and they This strike up conversations pickup artist style, with women who happened by and then he would give them. His number which they have say a scout from modeling agency, or I am hiring salespeople. Then I, like the cut of your jib, I like your vibe. An shout to so many of our own listeners are fellow conspiracy realist today, who have close to scene. These approaches, I'm sure, as someone listening has been approached by a person says he. I work for modeling agency, the spoiler alert. I don't think you should believe him. Anyway. They especially if they want you to pay them That's always the biggest red flag of an age

is like hey I'll represent you and know you got talent. Guy would have take skid. I just go ahead and pay me and then we'll get you had shots and all I said that is not how it works. True agents to true scout, they get paid when you get paid right exactly. They were so systematic about this, that they had a name for their scheme. It was called the turn system and it worked. Worked very, very well done He says that he alone in his time, brow over two hundred women into the cult, and he said oak tar brainwashed him got into his head and had in thinking that he was doing, was right. Who is spreading the good word another? and we mention sail on old school was such a little bit more about her. So she joined the colt when she was twenty four is two thousand and six and until she left she was,

one of the most prominent members in these videos you'll see that some of the kittens kindness sit and it respond by giggly. Or laughing and they danced in their seats. And then others will speak themselves I don't make their opinions known or they'll say You're rehearsed speech of some sort. EL. I was doing a lot of this, but after she got out she said life in the group was a prison and that a lot of people didn't take the threat of oak tar seriously because they thought is an eccentric, maybe dirty old man who just like having a budget scantily dressed women around him, but she said the abuse his victims went through was serious and and life changing, and these allegations, especially those abusing children. I what media outlets, like the greek city times called him, the turkish Jeffrey Epstein and the

the case is still like. There's still developments happening in the case as of this year, it Just this april, as we recorded twenty twenty two for his lawyers got detained on march, fifteenth twenty twenty two, his verdict was actually overturned by the turkish court of appeal. Poor, incomplete prosecution and erroneous assessment, and the court asked a retrial law. The defendants, I did to release sixty eight defendants, but they kept sixteen, including oak tar. He is incarcerated. The time of this recording and you know what I hated met, because this is dark. Deeply disturbing stuff, but I admit I chuckled win Oh tar was asked about his arrest as the police or take from his house to a hospital for medical care someone says you know what do you think this is all about? And he says quote this

conspiracy by the british deep state yeah, that's a thing has been thrown around a little emily's. British intelligence is setting him. Up in some way been that there's a reason for that. The right that I'm not its instantly apparent to me, but like there is connection, he believes he's being targeted for what exactly. He believes he's being targeted by the british state to weaken the Well, I guess he sees as the destiny of turkey or the ottoman empire like he and his colleagues who are fighting for a better turkey, while he's essentially implying that that hidden group that runs the

rolled right, whether they are a particular religion or whether there freemasons or whether the british aristocracy he's alleging that they capital tee. I have some stuff, they don't want you to know and their stopping oak tar from getting the word out, but with this guy you know how his statement may change as the wind blows. You know what I mean if we What about the weirdness going on in turkey right now with, therefore, minister mevlut, who saw glue archival, so he each easier change, the name of the country to to key with an omelet over it tee. U r, K, I why ii he's rebranding the country wait. I You know that I remember this would know he didn't like low a stern association of turkey, the country with turkey, the food. The right is alleged me

yeah. I think that's better. Now. It's like, He now is easy. No insisting like everyone else, follow suit like on their own expense, like turkish airlines and things like that right. So it's so this is less like all out over their unrelated to this particular story, but I did think that was an interesting flex from a foreign leader This really is an ongoing story. Bad- and I again, kara, given that broadly peace enough is really short. Like fifteen minutes, it's really a great serve journalism and you. You're right there with her really get a sense of what it feels like him in our privacy, innocent until proven guilty and all of that, but man. There's a lot of smoke this guy, pretty sure there's some ex abuse fire. There is well absolutely I mean who is convicted originally also. I he has this. These are just a few of his convictions. Just the big ones here

arrested for other stuff as well, including cocaine, possession we're just saying been on the wrong side of the lop pretty often and he does seem to have ties to people who want to orchestrate a coup in the republic of turkey at this point, whenever we do an episode touching on cultic organizations we each imported for us to end by saying that call can be a real damaging thing check out our earlier. Episodes check out or youtube videos and how culture created, and please don't, has it. To write to us. If you have a loved one that you think has been taken in by occult and your look for some resources on how to approach them about freeing their minds? I got your back. We try to be easy to find online, the facebooks Stu grams per most of the things here. Those hearing

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