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Were, I assume the best leads for self. We should look into come from you as well so in time between, since we last recorded in since this episode is being recorded I read a lot of email read a lot of you to comments and some tweets as well, Then there were a couple of really good points that were raised there. I feel like women. Ass, the dress so that other listening he checked out. Our previous episode will get some of the full picture, so I want to just take a second to add briefly some information that didn't make into our last episode- and I also want to thank all of you who wrote in to help us out with this- so we didn't talk very much- the Bureau of Land management which control a lot of rancher rights and federal

owned land in the? U S so one of them ground stories about the Heavens White and Steve Hammond who were ranchers that their income, duration and re sentencing, which is a really rare thing. That kind smacks of double jeopardy day. They were the catalyst for this occupation by Bundy in the citizens for constitutional freedom. Were charged with two crimes. Are they were charged with? arson? Essentially, however, we some other sources, and we we found that. I there's this belief the Bureau of Land Management was Actually between these guys up framing them, essentially because they were

used to sell their land to Uncle SAM. Another beer of land management was grab all of the other private land in the area, and it certainly private them of water sources, with their cattle and also edging them out the way that a city with a city would use no eminent domain or something or private developers sure sure buying of all their land around a certain area so that you can have a big mixed used community Yemen and we want sure we we at least brought that into the conversation so again a huge thank you you all of all of you out there who helped us out to look at that. I, also side. Note we heard that the Heavens did notify the Bureau of Land management before initiating their first burn, which is in the early two thousands yet seen like a responsible thing to do for a group of people.

We're just gonna- go out and set a fire. You know one purpose: to hurt people, if that's what you know, when you're trying to when they were trying to prosecute these as you are all these questions about the is going to cause arm to another human being could cause harm to other livestock could cause harm to all these other things, and you know it. You're going to go and tell the Bureau of Land management that you're going to do this, and for this purpose, although it for me. It call it calls into question a little bit of the argument about the severity of why that these mandatory minimum should be enforced, or could also call in the argument reasonably, the motivations of this agency of land management, so we were put down if you want to have some more information about this, you can search the internet pretty easily found stuff No, I know a lot of our listers dont care of

in four wars in its true that in four wars, like many other outlets, has its bias right. She have to be aware of biased. Some check it out for wars has information this daily wire as well. Here there, I would say if you are going to use to just buy back really fast. I think in four words is a fine source only because you can use a lot of times being blog about there and there will be links two other sources or something that they are sourcing and that's what I use in for wars for I just. I really think that you can use that as a jumping off point almost and I as Sunday, when you know maybe some of the bias used to go into a certain kind of reporting. That's a helpful place to jump off from his well a lot of yeah. That's her that this idea, often when we're really watching Fox news to get a certain perspective, watching unless MSNBC see figuring out. What's in the middle yeah, that's exactly I was going to say because when we,

moving into a topic way, I often try to do is find the if there are two sides to it find no sides by nuclear advocates of each of those sites what they're saying and when they are not safe they're, not saying, and from that triangulate a position and then, of course, trying to find the holy GRAIL of research, which would be pure data, pure statistics that are not muddied by agenda and There is a very difficult thing defined. So anyhow, we wanted to thank you for that. You can check out this year. Check out this site of that argument by searching Hammond Land grab and wood that without further ado, I let's go into today's topic, which is something that you brought to the table. I met. This is something piqued. My interest occurring,

that's coming out of California, LOS Angeles County of its a gas leak that is occurring and I think, we're gonna get into a little bit later- lease the specifics about it sure. But it's something that made. I think us all think about what what happens when there an environmental disaster from a come Now that is meant to, or that is trying to make energy out of my Father you all or another type of gas natural gas when there is an accident or when something is king or you know the these, volatile chemicals a lot of the times, and therein huge amounts being stored somewhere or you know, either side. The earth in a giant pocket or in a big facility- and you know it's a dangerous suggested, a clear. This is not. An episode about nuclear catastrophe, this not about that's all

This is not about Chernobyl or Fukushima, while in it just really quick speaking of that Chernobyl that disaster are tee. I noticed put it Tori out talking out this this lethal Isaak about and is it. Is it your in allay essentially No, it is not the internal in a way, it is andreassen is not good, but it is natural events. You know I'm always a little suspected hyperbole of that magnitude. Yeah, that's a very that's it! That's a good boy. It does get people to click on the website, the right now is that the aid will live in it, which count brings us to the bigger question that were posing today, which is how do corporations or do corporations cover up fossil fuel lakes or, in general,. Other disasters like this beyond his I'm excited about this from because sometimes we look at things where will say well, this is a theory. You know this is

likely to some degree, or there is some sort of seed of truth. But, ladies and gentlemen, today that is not the case. We're going that we're talking specifically about these. Asters concerning fossil fuels than the aftermath where the lead up to- I do want to leave space at the end for us to talk about other oil related or fossil fuel related conspiracies? I think there is so much here that we're not going to get too in the space of episode anyhow now that we are part of our. They called how stuff works We like to start at the basic simplistic stuff and then build our build our school of thought right or our analysis from their. So, let's start with first things. First, where, where what is a fossil fuel, so a fossil fuel is simply a hydrocarbon deposit like butter.

Recall or natural gas, which comes from accumulated, remains of ancient plants or animals. People often joke that Nina were driving around with a dinosaur remains in her and our cars right cars or power by exploding dinosaurs horses much better? Yes, its carbon is any carbon based life form is embedded pretty deep within the earth our sand that do not remember a time when you found this out where you were like that's crazy. Like I thought fossils were, Repression scene, I felt like I needed to preserve these things had put the museum is: where is gonna burn them up in our stupid cars oh yes, very different here is very different from a source bones raising that hold on their no I'm gonna. My sceptic shirt on hold on once again

none of this on TAT is a fine shared. Isn't it very nice, it's go Jurassic Park, logo on it appropriate right, Don't you get me something negative, just something that I remember hearing about a little while ago, this guy, company than I was not around was not. I was not fifty years of rose born They decided to put a dinosaur I, as their logo. The Sinclair Oil Corporation ever use called in a lead huge myth that dinosaur fossils in fossil fuels are that's. What's in fossil fuels, obviously dinosaurs well I mean it seems like a sprawling I drew the the who carbons that reforms way back. When talking about. Hundreds of

the years before dinosaurs, at least according to what we believe the ninety factly. The timeline doesn't work out. Not not quite thank you for putting aperture killer myth to bed. I didn't enabled the bed it still awake and it's what run around alone was far as I'm concerned it, and then we're good night I would like to talk about specifically the kind of fossil fuels you mentioned. No, so he s a pretty good introductions to what fossil fuels, from something called the environmental and Energy Study Institute. These these folks have pretty good descriptions about. The three primary sources of fossil fuel. So one will start with the big guy the front man of the bandages oil oil is the world's primary, fuel source, and it looks like still gonna be for a little while even how much cheaper, it is today most oil you or I you

oh you met, would use, is extracted by being pumped out of under and reservoirs and a can also be found in shale and tar sands shout out to once this stuff is extracted. However, We can't use it right away. You can't drive up to an oil, Derek and Papa nozzle in here in your car and drive off. I try. You will not get very far at all crude oil, we processed in oil refineries to create different end products like oil a gasoline you use your car, liquefied petroleum, gas and other stuff too, that you know. Sometimes we don't think about his quickly like pesticides, fertilizer ex, even yellow, especially plastics here and right now, the euro. Leads the world in consumption of petroleum rounds

seeing a little bit over nineteen million barrels a day and when he fourteen and imports four points, five million barrels a day. The main countries that are exporting products to the EU: S are Canada, Mexico, South you, beer, Venezuela and Nigeria and again, for a long time, Most of the? U S is for an oil tanker. From the Middle EAST. It came from Canada common misconception, but while oil is prime mover her in terms of it in transit. Is by no means able to replace the other two sorts of fossil fuel right?

so another big e is coal will yet his yards primarily used for electricity generation ass possible for about thirty nine percent of the electric power supply in the United States? As of twenty fourteen, which is down by half from two thousand seven any, I think the? U S produces some wild. Half per cent of the world's coal power or lease uses eleven half per cent, which one of us to where, because of EPA regulations is becoming less and less cost effective for the companies that are making the money to build new coal plants? In fact, you very rarely see nuclear plants being built, what you install these scrubbers YO and, like all these new regulations. No such thing,

they are able to meet. Our minimize USA mitigate some of the environmental concern which we know are a big deal. I come skull and in several in several states, some of which you may find yourself in today, listeners such as West Virginia Kentucky Pennsylvania, etc. Coal production is a huge of the economy, and you can imagine the economic effects that her when some, when fifty percent of the countries. Electric system relies on coal, and then it plummets the thirty nine percent yemeni flakes the areas even around your in Georgia, where, like the bead Bob local com were tied very closely to the housing market for viable, so that can manufacturing of materials rousing went away certain counties, their unemployment rate, with Ruth. Similarly, in some of these areas where coal mining is king, that's usually nothing else to do visually, no other choice.

So it may be known. Drops then you're having some problems Pointing can I take a well I'm going to ask for forgiveness rather than permission because There is something that often bugs me now, a lot of people don't understand when you hear people town hybrid or alternative energy cars saying: oh well, I'm not hooked on the fossil fuels. I'm doing my part, I that's fine. If that's what you want, to believe as long as you're, not smug about it or whenever be smog about what you're doing and grow system be smoke, just not be smug inheres. Why here's. Why, especially if you have an acquaintance or a friend relative, who does that kind of holier than Thou ACT check which state urine? Because if you are driving, An electric car in estate using coal powered electric planets. Then what they are doing is dead

in a coal powered car, full stop and they're just putting the sword the fossil fuel a little bit their away philosophically so feel free to Boston and if they have a problem with it, send him to me I mean, I think it's it's a personal philosophical bonus, let's say no for me, having I read, is largely about just being more efficient you now in terms of gas mileage and things like that. Surely it's a nice, it's nice to be able to like you may be making a little bit of endeavours. Are, let's not, let's not fool ourselves. Rats also not be cynical ban one every little bit helps its. It is true that every little bit helps right and if a lot of people do a little bit then it adds up sure. But when we talk about coal as huge of a deal as coal is here in the? U S,

This is a very small slice of the pie in the larger context right, which brings us to China as a global leader in coal production responsible for forty five percent of the world's supply, and, as we know, there are places in China where you just can't breathe yes, we're a mask, even can't use gonna even out does not not boss, and the government is is working to this summer mitigate that began to the point where it is dangerous, medically dangerous to be exposed for too long. You spend too much time and are trying to be honest. If I say about this, somewhat of a window into unchecked. You know capitalism. It's it's funny, that you say that, because remember within our life answering your lifetime as well listener, quite possibly the kind

you, China. The people's Republic of China, was painted as this ultimate communist selective What we see is that there is it's not quite as clear cut. C4 hybrid Mayors are you the world capitalism loosely? I just mean in terms of unchecked industry unchecked. You know why and also industrial revolution of ways they the evolution of industries over time and use of energy. A you, it's this weird ladder that you climb up as technology increases and as you get more capital and you can and eaten in put more money into that this one of my old professors used a phrase that I thought was interesting. He said that when the manufacturing bases of the world moved towards China, which may not be the case for too much longer

manufacturing bases moved towards China. What was really occurring was that the countries manufacturing southern China were really just outsourcing their pollution, so just like driving ivory car in a coal powered state it's still the same thing- it's just further- was pushed over the further away philosophically farther away geographically. But, let's be honest, guys, the world as it stands today cannot function without coal I just cannot at this point no in our lifetimes it is quite possible that coal will not be as important as it is but for now, if all the coal just vanished, it would be This would go out in a lot of places, terrible situation. Yet I enough even the all the fossil. You ve got one more right now he this thing called

natural gas, which I always love today. All natural gas feel so I dont know gluten free. What a natural gas. Was being trapped in the later with a flashlight person as the you, father of a young child. I know our natural gas is man, ok, but anyway, great marketing, yes, so natural gas comprised roughly twenty seven percent of the United States, total energy use in twenty fourteen, almost a third, almost a third, I've seen this stuff everywhere. You may have seen buses running around your town that are run on natural gas or maybe some big trucks. Maybe a couple of its Fedex are you VS were which one of those its using natural gas,

It also used to produce, learn transportation things to some other oil right, yeah sure if you gotta gas, powered, let's say water heater in your house or a stove like I do a gas powered, stove even lights. Sometimes four gases in your paint, your plastics shore fertilizer, so the This actually produces about nineteen point, eight percent of the world's natural gas and consumes about twenty one point. Five percent and natural gas is most commonly transported by pipeline right, which makes Canada really really important, player and export or to the United States. While Russia continues to be the main supplier for most of Europe much Rebecca through the state owned company Gazprom and the pipeline. The pipeline stuff is fascinating because can look at maps of proposed pipelines and you can also look at maps of wars in

her conflict, Asia and the Middle East- and perhaps we surprised by potential correlation between the two and You know there's a new. There's a new trend. I wanna call new, but there is a growing trend to ship this stuff, liquefied natural gas, the ship, rather than the pipeline because there's a growing demand for this sort of fuel. One of the benefits are a potential benefits of natural gas. Zat. It burns lack clear than coal and oil see you're, not gonna get as many of the police especially when you are burning the stuff. I think there's something like zero sulphur dioxide emissions and then there's all there's also a lot less nitrogen oxide and in these little particulate emissions they get released. When you burn the stuff, so I mean, I would say, that's a big plus for natural gas and for anyone who wants to be in their business

for anyone who wants that was gonna have natural gas near their home, let's say so: we're getting too as regain Tuesday crazier apart, the stranger part of the show. Let's just do some statistics will quickly guys and click. Ok, if I do a few more statistics, I, like those stand, that man, so global oil consumption over twenty fourteen. It grew, but it only grew. A little bit grew less than one percent point eight percent and it was even smaller for coal and natural gas each increased by about less than half a percent. So. Even though this demand is still increasing, which is what the art the opposite of what a lot of world leaders want. The US All countries got together the g7 which would be of Japan and Canada ninety king of France, we Germany, U S the whole crew, they

have agreed to phase out the use of fossil fuels. By get this the end of the century, which sounds like a long time right here. We are in twenty sixteen, but it's very long at all. If you consider again the statistics we just said about energy use. So there is increased energy consumption in motion. World, but it's not quite in line with say so quite in line with some of the expectations. So then there's more energy consumption. More people are using fossil fuels. In North America and on the continent of Africa. However, in the Clean Union is actually declining, which is which He's going to watch is gonna. Come back. In several different, shows, redo later

global oil production growth over twenty fourteen again. These are most reason numbers we have popped up. Two million barrels a day nine OPEC production increased by two point: one barrels day and ass. The law This increase in the history of humanity measuring the stuff, so if we lose Just the! U S, specifically our friends of british petroleum us According to their estimation, the? U S is the world leader in both oil and natural gas production, Edward, regaining that title and oil with less than we had. It was nineteen. Seventy five. I love how I'm saying we as though I get a check at the end of the day, for it is the royal we royal. We write who were the? U S for using the royal we ll get away. Get Florida Raw Lahti die the? U S produced a Levin point: six billion.

Barrels of oil in twenty fourteen billion would be in that over takes both Russia and Saudi Arabia, who were produced in Saudi Arabia is producing eleven point: five billion barrels in a lot of people. Think about the? U s our producing saudi arabian oil and its way slim margin, but it's still a it's still there, the state of legislation. As we said, G, seven and other Countries have these big plans, big plans right wing, have. We do have solar energy, that superficial will be powered by the sun and the wind and the water like some kind of captain planet. Oh it's possible, I think still possible these acts. It is absolutely it is absolutely possible. I just need you. The trillion dollars to settle

infrastructure up, and there were good now like the idea of combining these different sources. Do you know you got like when the sun is shining at the wind when he got to his water, a thing or the other week about how big is Portland, of course, has installed vines in the plumbing city, sewage pipes, suitable first, the toilet, its turn these turbines and they used to generate some amount of electricity. They could spend the grid something we know. These add solutions exist. Systems the little innovation and a little bit of them. You know an investment ah, but there's a given take to this, because the push for turning to energy often wax a wanes based on the price of a barrel of oil, When oil was a hundred dollars hundred, U S dollars a barrel, then any alternative. Source that could match that costs. That price point makes sense. Now the price was plum.

Seen there is less than incentive. So what what's gonna happen? That doesn't mean it's impossible to narrow view of it. In our mean, I just feel like you're, not looking at the real are you a dollar bills on yellow what the general you? the general you in the royal. We were starting an army of Kroner eyes medical arm. I prefer, but that you that's agree, point something that we're going to see happening. Over and over again over the next few years. Right, however, the long term. That's the goal that everybody's goal. It doesn't matter what ideology. There is it is. The goal is to create sort of energy source- that is Freeze us from the strange, the strange cycle of fossil fuels and right now possible

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previous, it's called previous life or something where the first one I want to talk about. Is the deep water, horizon still, as some of our listeners may not remember this, or maybe it wasn't big news in Europe, the world, but it sure was in ours, so travel with Us April twentieth, two thousand and ten in the gulf. Mexico, one mile underwater, something called them a condo oil. Well- and this is extracting this- is built to extract Some of those reservoirs were taken man. This is a massive reservoir ripened good business. Until that is the well blows, a part which is bad medicine. For the semi submersible oil rig atop, the water, a mile extracting the soil is known as the deepwater horizon and it explodes.

Killing eleven workers in dreams, seventeen and the wedding. Ass, a delusion oil through the Gulf of Mexico for a long time for a very long time. This is a four about eighty seven days This is a place where the place where a third of the EU see food arrives from this. Is a plea we're all along the shore there, their beaches, that are small towns and rely on you know tours of giving attire space is built on seafood and tourism. I mean really that almost all of it and BP, which was the operator of deepwater horizon, immediately, goes into panic more than that Ok we're gonna higher, so many people are going to mitigate this disasters best. We can because we're talking

by the time, has also done we're talking about two hundred and ten million gallons of oil, which is something as hard to visualize yeah and. So beep find finds something caught. They call it dispersants uneasy. We're going to put out point four million gallons of this dispersant and here's what the dispersant will do it will. It will tat itself to the oil in the water or break our oil into droplets and disperse those droplet, into the vast reaches of the gulf, so that it doesn't reached the shore line yeah so so we'll make it less. Concentrated, it now it's not going to be such a big deal is all you know not all The shrimp we're gonna get her in infected with oil. Did that

supposedly make it easier to like soak up using some other materials. Are they had their woodman right? What then yeah? They wouldn't none, that's exactly, but there is some sort of materially would cast out that supposedly would like actually soak up the boil right here s. The dispersal wasn't the only thing you are doing, because again, this is just so much well. This is one of the largest spill accident oil spills in history, and so they were throwing everything they could at it and the best thing about this decision. Which its brand name a street name is core exit was that it was he followed. The repercussions will officially. I was safe, You saw these all these imports these were hired to help combat this disaster volunteered. Volunteers in many cases were also going to be taken care of in, and you know, the residents I in affected areas, everybody, I better call exit than oil right, at least that is

until hundreds of thousands of workers on the clean up started having strange ailments, muscle spasms, short term memory loss I tell you what happened in the car and forgetting what driving or walking into a room and forget Why wont in I'm talking about having into a car realizing you're, not wearing pants, which is funny until it really happens. You we're wasn't these are symptoms that are similar to thing to our citizens that were being experienced by veterans. Yet would like the golf course and Joseph yes yeah yeah? That's according to Michael Robot, Shell Louisiana physician aims a former state senator he found hundred and fourteen patients with these similar, complete and he said, he's never seen this grouping of symptoms together, skin once more logical and pyramids plus pulmonary problems, at least until other people, racket

Is this as sue similar to those who suffer from GO forces which maybe we should cover too and an upcoming episode soap July, fifteenth Well is finally plugs. This is the biggest will legal world history. One hundred and ten million gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico. Yet two hundred and ten, the the thing is now despite the enormity of this disaster, it's not often number, even though it is one of the issues at stake it is one of elites, are one of the largest. Expensive corporate trials in you. History o, while this happening. Bp is trying to mitigate the environmental damage, but there also doing damage control for their their people.

Persona Ray I'm pretty sure they see you guys have in and say in my opinion, not the opinion, a house of the fourth directive, are parent companies met Frederick, citing opinion here. I believe that the damage control began, she save or at least mitigate the affair. On the company itself well before anybody made calls about saving lives- and this is my opinion, because in felt that way in the steps that were taking the corrected itself, the dispersant there was supposed to help people. You know we found out that it caused terrible things to humans are working with a. We also found out that it didn't actually disperse anything. What it did. Is it good clumped up with the oil thanks to the bottom, so that cameras couldn't see not to mention the no fly zone. There was instituted over top of most of the Gulf of Mexico in it. Burning ray. I just guess. I know you did I get a little. I get it because I'm a rule, your this, we made a video about it and I was really deep into it and I just I

there are so many people who are affected by it and then leave ended up getting of a lot of the money that they were going to have to pay rises. It does go on from there at least. Will I you I'm glad you at your anticipated the retirement a time. No fly, no fly zones, that's gonna, come up by. I do after respectfully disagree because companies of this size. Have the ability to do those things can. Currently. You know I I I am we sure that a plan exists for this sort of stuff on the pr side, as well as on the emergency response side, because that to be in place. Well, it should be in place just for Sharon's purposes. Ok, so I'm not saying it's altruism, I'm saying that it's a necessary step in doing business and also-

having a high profile response to aid people that the public would see as being victims of this right off the bat, not to mention the long term victims in terms of the people, the lost their businesses lost their lives, good, I think, that's an important part of any pr. Oh yeah, I am paying rarely seen as being quick fine to take care of our own people. You know we're putting their lives in danger. To you know. Make us, a lot of money. Yet there were about the residents of the government there's a lot goes into this bad there any continues. I I'm right there with your remember when this was happening and the thought occurred to me was there is never going to be the same ever again. Like you know, this is sort of like I with Fukushima, and they are that proved an unassailable he's with both of those things, but I remember my brain at the time seeing that

gushing on tv, and it's like how allows how is it still houses still gush how's about now, though, is definitely, there is definitely image management there, because this is something that matter. How about were making a video, which was this no fly zone this personally for safety ears Other nominally reasonable cause. It seemed like it was just as plausible that this would be to prevent mass media images of gigantic oil slicks right nautical miles wide, but the the other part of it is a have a job before. Were here, the strew. Ladies and gentlemen, I don't always work here and in that job people call me when disasters occurred be something as small is hitting a deer and back Words of Ohio higher does be something

personally catastrophic, as your house what are your house burning down? This could be something disastrous like the old lady who called me during hurricanes Green Ike shoes in the third floor of the house, the water was rising and no one else would answer the phone and have encounter in situations like this one of the first things that happen as that. Whoever is supposed to The first line of response for you know for like call this number case of a disaster and oil leak, have there very stringent rules about they can and cannot say coarse and how to essentially roof people to someone else will refer them to some one else into its dangerous. It's a dangerous thing. I have a difficult time ascribing motives with certitude, but we can measure actions and if you

to learn more about the deepwater horizon knew I would ask, I would ask you to check out. You on that? No it's early in our career surly! strange experimental stuff. They don't want you to know so far behind we are in a lot of. There were a lot of pending things with litigation going on in that time and finds that were trying to be levied against BP, and then it would get out of of them, and then there would be more fines laid on them and then they felonies came along a little bit later and I was re missing. The New York Times been that way he agreed to pay eighteen point seven billion dollars in total million paying out claims in the fact that they can do that and still exist. What does that tell you that the magnitude of a company like that and just the oil industry, the fossil fuel industry, at large areas is just the leviathan.

Again, I'm gonna say like it is. It is who had similar to a large international banking system, whereas fees for breaking the law become part of business It is not the same because these are anticipated events and at worst, what they committed beforehand. With maybe be negligence, in his soul. Convenient to- convenient to have black and white villains. It is so convenient, but it is not realistic. And I don't agree with the actions personally I'd buy as far as the facts. The facts speak for themselves. So, regardless of how you feel on a personal level listeners about why occur with deep horizon spill, that tragedy Congress or the Department of Justice actually

gives gives british petroleum fourteen felonies. They plead guilty. I am one of these included line to Congress. Another included a four point: five billion dollar fine, the largest find it's time ever levied against the corporation in the? U S, so I would. All this a happy ending, but it is ending of sorts This is not to say that people, some of you listening now, maybe feeling the effects of core exit be still living in an area that remains affected by this spilled. This is you no by far not the only example of these sorts of things there is another story. It takes place a little bit further south in Ecuador, the logo Agraea oilfields was, is, and oil rich area near the city of Nuevo law in the province of Sudan, Bs Ecuador, yeah yeah. It's a oil

was discovered there in the sixties right and it's no internationally now for the ecological problems that oil development created there. So this is the waters police The soils contaminated the trees are being moved down, since they can only three lawyers to force Texaco and its parent many chevron to clean up the area and to take care of provide you, no medical care compensation for the people were affected February thousand eleven Ecuadorean Court said: hey Chevron, you, the people of this area, a billion dollars and in compensation and and said now now be a legitimate that doesn't it doesn't make sense? That was a really good Sharon, imprisoning they view. Thank you. I'm some people do Christopher Walken Specialise in chaperone.

The two thousand fourteen. However, the Eu S court said that this verdict, was obtained illegally essentially said there was bribing, was corruption, those racketeering bike. I'm sorry my study for one second, that term racketeering. I just love but what is it really mean? Rather, racketeering is a joy think of the mafia right about movie the rocket hear us. What will happen in the EU are how men had a rocket susan. You know for Father Nazis totally different word entirely, but if you would some other be me rocketing, missing. Okay, so racketeers Is I it's when Germany comes from racket. So the reason alot of people, including myself, associated with the mafias like an organised crime thing, it's win. And organise group.

Fusion association runs in illegal business, so we're a fix, horse races, Gara. What's it once again, illegal thing: luncheon We're loan shocking. Many and you get no loan sharks completely legal, more or less. The image added, and I want to make sure our lobbying in a country with a totally illegal anyhow. So the? U S! Court in twenty fourteen, says: ok, great you this injunction, because these this ruling crime involved in reaching the end of coercion and stuff like that, no court system in the world will be able to enforce this, and this ruling however, any This is not to say that Chevron didn't town

go back and forth on seeing what we did attend to cleaner mediate, the area we would double we're supposed to do or there's no point: that this is associated with us or that most True spills occurred after Texaco, withdrew a so. The impact here is according to the point, is that there is a spike in cancer rates and its due to contamination of the water that the oil company maintains that there's no casual link, no there's no causation. So after after all of this happens, people people have gone back and forth with various the fight got very, very dirty and a continues today, because I There were some takes, a video that were a video acquired by people. Fighting on the ecuadorean side that here,

he showed in Here's a contractors for the oil company. Disregarding the proof say like. Oh, I was let's check it. See if there's some oil in the area. Now you can find some is alive leak of seen. Several. Those right is blatant air and then the thou must call the sheriff Ronnie inside, but the oil company side says we also found videos were wherein Ecuadorean, judge jury The time that the trials going on just said now, you know whatever their guilty I'll, just like our basic to it, and then you say there guilty dodo. Why don't you don't you worry, you're pretty head I am here with illegal verge, had city. I am sure that some judges have, but it's also yet caught a video doing that However, it turned out in a publication that one of the people associated with recording that video was

Julie, someone who contracted with chevron and blackmail them enough. Was moved to the? U S, chevrons time and painted on school settlement about never would have expected so as well, How are you know? I think the it's still in these system now there there's still a legal battle going on we're, not sure out how to get to work, there's a lot of money at stake and also the time horizon, for this is very long. You know if you can afford league representation? Then you have a case and euro accompanying. You have a case that could potentially become immortal in court, and it helps if you, you know, produce oil cousin year, basically just pulling money out of it. Billions and billions of dollars as interesting. When you look at it is also more more expensive, though, to to create oil to to refine it to find it

like. Norway is going to be quite possibly a lot of trouble because the the sis, with Norway right wherein the oil is pulled into a state of cooperation. A lot of the budgeting for that is based on a price point for a barrel of oil, which is far higher higher than there is now you know. So this is being involved with women, the state or, as a company does not make one a new, nothing immune thing, filthy, rich this has made it occurred to me at the top of the show. You know what the devil. Rising, for example, that's just the kind of humility the disaster that, just so in the public consciousness, United just on TV, on everybody's mine, really covered up. There's things you could probably do, as you were saying at the kind of mitigate what the damages will be to your company in terms of how much you have to pay out, etc by this service Ecuador story too,

seems like one. There would be easier to cover a easier by this just now. This is not what is of mind for many people and they think about them. These kinds of things- and I think that is proof positive- that there are public relations efforts that do stick their people, companies they rewrite history so that it benefits them. And so you know you don't remember these things and it happens. The time we were under a beacon for breakfast. That's good question too: we have this out of sight. I remind thing right: that's what it's happening in Ecuador and in the American be in the american public mind. That's just it stinks, but that's the way it is

even talking about the deepwater horizon thing, I mean I was enraged and I've been thinking back on. It now am still obviously, but it certainly not something. I've been dwelling on daily and a lot of that has to do with the fact that these efforts succeed lives almost six years ago. Strew mad. But can you think of anything happened in those six years that was as just drastically in our day merging two are environmentally no closer to home, closer to home, affecting the lives of people. You may know at Amsterdam just to be sure your boy, maybe that's why I'm still you'll like an open wound, even though I wasn't even affected their heart, which is crazy, and this one of those people who goes on the internet when wines about it. I guess it's easy to internalize these things? To you, I mean you're, empathetic person,

I think our we all in this room for the most part, nine three feelings a year that, where an answer on this, the first was gonna kick Enron August Hooker, I look forward to that. But Bertha I wouldn't want one for you when I also make the sort toward us are we not in some way responsible for these sorts of things. If we live in an oil powered civilization Sakhalin right and is there Why is there? This is such a dangerous question? Is there some way to look at the cost, benefit analysis scale, and is there some part in the deep dark recesses of you're, a man can consumer mine dislike well matches the cost of doing business. I don't think it's. I don't think it's only fair, to call an american consumer mind because their consumers around the world of Tibet is mean in terms of our consumption of oil as a country and are dependent on it and just

one. We will drive cars around now. We want all that stuff you ever how do I get into my little conversion as everything I have this tremendous guilt and now than thinking about it, I'm such a hypocrite awhile, I'm gonna go I'm really down. The coroner does so. In and I understand these are two separate cases we ve talked about so far deepwater horizon and the case in Ecuador. In one case. There was in the one case when the contentions was that it was happened pretty far in the past six years and in four deepwater night in any. For the other, and in the case of Ecuador it was the idea that maybe this is a something happening in a foreign country. So it's a bit easier to remove it from the public mind. So what then-

What would happen then, in the case where there is something that was happening immediately like now today, and it was a little bit closer to home. Now would be like the situation is happening in California, at the illicit canyon storage facility that holds natural gas and or methane, the others Bigley happening right there pretty insane. Yes, so a run away. Natural gas leak right above allay has emitted more than a hundred and fifty million pounds of methane since last October, you guys, I wasn't even aware of the story until we started doing less so just case in point real here. Please help Ranch North of LOS Angeles. As you said, there are severely affluent It's really well off, as thousands of in the area had to evacuate we

We know about this. It's it's our way through footing, but it's not exactly kept under wraps story starts around October twenty. Third, according to any good men, the community was overtaken by noxious gases. Neighbours reporting know this while they were feeling well getting dizzy and thinking, perhaps one house a major gas leak. Now I think, there's want bit of e a timeframe there around the twenty three neither is when the gas company itself reported or the illicit. The Alyssa Canyon storage facility actually reported that there is a leak and active leak going on in their couple store, from families who were experiencing the things are tying Robin, like the weird smells like what is going on wise is happening right now, a little bit a little bit

were that, just because it was may be caught a little, not late, but a little later by the company itself and the the need to which we are referring in this story, is southern California, gas. So called gas Southern California gas Company on the twenty eighth of October, a few days later, they when public, with a leak and so Amy Goodman from democracy. Now, reports that weakest, so severe that it actually account for a quarter of the entire state of California methane emissions in just one month, one other really bad things as their methane is not good for overall global climate change its eighty six times worse than carbon dioxide over a twenty year period, this one. You know this. One leak is just put

so much of it out into the out in the atmosphere earning it's twelve hundred metric tons of methane released every day from this one week and the worst part is that there are experts actively working to transfer. This thing your people out there right now as regarding this trying to drill down and make it stop, but its guy, it's gonna take time. It's gonna take a long time till the more trade. Yes, I saw on Monday January eighteen, so cow gas is required to put forward a detailed sketch

of how this will be handled de running? That's right now are that this will occur in this. This leak will be closed. Plausibly in March. Ribbon is hoping for earlier have question eyes: why do you think this story is getting comparatively less attention than the deepwater horizon in the way of describing to me is essentially a natural gas version of what happened with the water rising and sounds like it's a continued leak that is causing problems, health problems in our with people that live in that area and it's not stopped, has an plugged yet its ongoing. Why do you think this is something that's not as visible? Maybe that's the answer yet exactly you gonna, do you know where I was going to say what my first or you re a goes back to the outer saw out of sight. I remind kind of thing because

methane is an invisible gas. You cannot see with your naked eye. The only way you can see it is the infrared getting a fleer. Camera and a couple old couple groups did do that earth a non profit organization. Gotta fill your camera out there. Really see the huge it looks like black smoked, gonna billowing through and following the wind. That's Scary methane, isn't I mean it's gonna Carson Ill effects on your health if you're exposed to long periods or enough of it at high enough concentrations, but it's not the snark quite as dangerous right and I don't know- maybe that's why it's also isle of their allotted Damone, you think, then although we probably would be remiss if we didn't mention a no fly zone instituted one of the one of the questions being raised. This instituted to prevent

suppose to methane from people flying in the air space, or is this instead to protect the image of the company. Good. I can clearly see the need to protect the airspace, especially given that, if it's a very busy part of Euro, if it's over whether a lot of commercial airlines flying then you don't wash up that by having them fly through sort of nothing volcano or God forbid, the somehow ignite. You know Cloud, it is flammable certain concentrations. So what do you think they are? The future of this is, do you think, there's a cover up of what I think them. The cover up is just a complete not completely a highly deregulated industry, the energy industry- and I think, it's more about Paul, Dixon anything else. Just u profits over. You can't,

Quences, but at the same time there are so many different ways to look at it. I think that, for me, is the biggest station They were the deepwater horizon thing similarity or the blast caps that many countries at the time had in place when you're, when a leak begins to happen in a deep water drilling site. There, There are a lot of places. Caps, debt, exe load and seal the entire thing when something starts leaking we badly like tat and it contains it through the regulation. We didn't have to do that list. People, the recording and the Gulf of Mexico through the United States didn't have ok, so in that case than with both of those cases One of the arguments it sounds like weighty argument would be that it there, the conspiratorial, a cover up stuff, it can be found in the pre

disaster for yet another? Fortunately, it's a lot of their a lot of things I probably not a smart enough human to go through and find the minutiae in the small legal ease, their makes the difference between something being safe and not safe, and I am not an expert in one of these fields, but I think that's where you find it, and it's gonna require more looking on my part We are definitely as far as I know. None of us are oil exploration engineers, rape or oil rig workers by you. Listeners may well be, and I know that the oil industry suffer some tremendous shifts that are affecting affecting people across the world. World in terms of their employment, their quality of life. If you you are familiar with this industry. I would love to hear the insides scoop. What do you think the future of this stuff is? How do

Companies handle these disasters and if your game, you have knowledge of a cover up, you guys were wrapped up on the topic today. Did you swam and the show, with one thing I am sure all of your many of you know David Bogey, passed away this week on Sunday and just want to say in terms of we talk about on the show. I think, besides the fact that we now for me personally a real hero, musically and I'm a musician and then been a fan of his work. A long time, but he did something. Very interesting when he passed away. This is something I don't think you can save me people, celebrities or otherwise are able to do and that here,

they the way that people experienced his death. He released a record on his birthday, which was Friday of last week. Before he passed away, and then he released set to music videos, both of which are visually stunning, and I ve been tested, the one in particular for the sun as far as I am sure, him in a hospital bed with a black Ford on with full button eyes and kind of like riding around doing this sort of saint viruses, dance kind of thing and theirs versions of him? One is the wind, the hospital bed one is sort of like wearing this Harlequin kind of like tight, fitting, like almost a mine costume and there's another one whose puzzling over papers at a desk like a writing desk,

and there are lyrics and the song where he's talking about says, look man, I'm in Heav N, I got scars that you can't see, and as was you now made known when he did pass away, he had been suffering from cancer for it in months, meaning that he knew his faith the whole time he was making this record and especially when he was making. These are companion videos, and it has been a pretty motion couple days for me- I don't really get affected by people. Celebrities couldn't go pass away, but this one here pretty hard and I just think it was pretty a really incredible sign of his art- a stream and his mind that he was totally able to set the tone for the way people experience to his passing. I think that's very unique and wanted to wanted

stress that no thank you know. I know I know my wife was pretty upset about it. I hate you, I guess, on the cold hearted person, I really like him, but I'm I've Robin Williams effectively in the way the european financing is that I also that we're gonna see conspiracy theories pop up around this album and around the way he can it did this controlled the soon kept quiet. You know nobody knew, except for a very few confidence that he was was dying and then I just think is interesting when people are able to control their legacy in that way. So many musicians, especially they just let it go

now. I know they just keep doing it for money and they just end up doing things that are not in their best interest, doing things that are not artistically sound that are in line with the good work done in the past, and he never really did that and at last he kind of like really opened his image. But that was pretty fascinating. That I think, will continue to hear about things revolving around this process are a guy serve. You have experienced anything lay an oil spill reviewer after cleaning up after deepwater horizon. If you know Anyone who has, if you wanna talk to us about that, if We then silk out where you been, by any of the stuff. Let us now wanted I'd like to hear your expense. It is there or, if you're in Ecuador and You have a little more information about. What exactly is going on there. Now it's like now their right to a seat.

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