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I want you to know whether it's your first time tuning into the issue or whether you are a long time listener welcome, and I think we can all admit that moral Governments get up, do shady. Business is just part of the job monsieur always on the up and bright well, you know, that's! That's their official story had other people most of the voting we could say beings, actually in secretive, is just an inherent part of being a government It's not always start always necessarily evil, it's just In some cases you have to have secrecy and in some of those cases these secrets are fully or partially exposed over time and stuff. There was called a conspiracy theory turns out to be true and they also the true Story might remain hidden firm. Ever that's what we're talking about today. No it's a real life conspiracy straight from the floor.

Using heart of the cold war. It's a tale according to Uncle SAM. That is now fully out in the open, but, as you will find We are not sure. That's the case will see why, in a minute, but without further ado, this is the story. A little something called project Zuri it sheer. Are the facts ah and go back to the sixty nine hence it is cool. Video they talked about. Sixty users are more the fifties. Ah, you know why I feel it you're. Probably people saying cool daddy, owe their approach to those who hold over it's kind of like eighteen, seventy nine virtues, nineteen eighty, you didn't immediately become eightys. There are some. over seventy zero lingo this sucker hour by hour in the sixties, swing in things are happening submarines kind of a big deal, the high of military tat would allow you to evade. Times of router called counter measures in terms of being detected in terms of being

you know, eliminated by the enemy and sneaking into enemy lines, to do surveillance, all kinds of things. Submarines were your best bet. You could observe things without usually intervention and above pesky land or air forces. You know none of those under the sea, riot gentle crabs and sea creatures. You know plan and a jazz band criteria under the sea. Calypso right. That's it it's better! I don't know that good point, but this is not to see that submarines were by any means perfect. I A number of things can result in their detection or their destruction, as of now it is impossible to know just how many people have met their deaths in two didn't, know watery graves of sunken submarines, which is a terrible way to go, especially if you have claustrophobia and a fear of drowning. This is the world into which the

one to nine emerges: it's a submarine cable! Two nine is part of what NATO calls the Gulf to class its evil listing Missile sub with a diesel electric power system. There is important to state in here, because if you hear the story you often hear K one Nine described as a nuclear sub, but it is not nuclear power, it is a diesel. Electric vehicle was capable of carrying nuclear weapons, not the same thing, but still very, very dangerous. Complete in nineteen, fifty nine anyway. Patrolling the sea successfully on a routine basis until March of nineteen sixty eight and that's when soviet naval officials conclude it's something had gone sideways sideways like their wine. movie. I am, I know I remember there stood out like that when you I get really like it. It's

There are very unpleasant characters: Efficient Oakwell None of them are particularly redeeming qualities, but I always did I enjoy that filmmaker Alexander Pain, either way by the out you're right, Budget budget movie about a bunch wine jerks is what sideways as but that's how we're talking about today we're talking about a real debacle at sea, like any other deploy vessel the k, one. Twenty nine had a regular schedule of chickens so as well. Mid march of nineteen, sixty eight when K one twenty, nine miss, not one, but two of these gradual radio check ends, you know with fabs commanding officer, H, Q or what everyone a God time, we're on the urgency of the communications, to K, one nineteen increase significantly including legs, orders commands to break Your silence that went on acknowledge afternoon.

Two months of silence about the third week of March Soviet Govern, considered k, one twenty, nine to be missing, maybe not fully lost yak, as they really are. The first have to believe J, large scale, search and ask your mission in the North Pacific from Camp Chart kind lot of our stock. The kind of thing that you really cannot cover up for too long right, not the search effort. As the streets, or in this case the seas are watching to watch and so Uncle SAM I saw instantly knows something is up because both sides of the coin war, are lake, rest, we are like axes. We have recently split excessively tracking each other and it didn't take long for U S, intelligence to say Hey wait these ships and these, jobs. Are

deviating from their normal patterns of patrol. Why? What her? Why? What's? What gives? What are they doing, and eventually they concluded? Nay, This is exactly what we would do if we lost the submarine somewhere. So let's get the boffins in the kids on it. Then there are the boffins, something about a lot of british stuff. It boffins the they are like the then is it perhaps perhaps want adjacent? Then your wife's in your boffins in year, Gregg heads just got it yes, yes, and so These said: ok, let's go back to our scientists, our researchers and, let's see what citizens they have or signals intelligence at the time, and even now, the? U S had once called a hydra phone net

work under water surveillance that is meant to deter noises in irregularities across the globe, whether those are whale songs, whether their sooner whether their underwater explosions- and they said ok, boffins, go back through your right. Words around this time and see if there's anything out of the ordinary, that kind of correlate with the deviation in Sylvia Patrol patterns, and they found it review the recordings and maybe someday the work of those intelligence experts watching the change in naval patterns. They found a record of aims curious underwater implosion on March Eighteenth nineteen sixty We even able to isolate it, area of just like about five nautical miles. I hate every time we.

about underwater naval implosion or explosions. I always I commend the ridiculous history episode that we did about the Huntley with Rachel Lads, who is light not only an expert in underwater implosion and explosion. He is like the war. The most specific nerd in that department. Yes, I love it she's incredible. She wrote a book about it actually made it really exciting. Manly is, is it was what was it a civil war submarine with? I highlight flintstones, petals kind out. It was definitely not the level of technical document today, but she and some great detail about what an underwater implosion does delay. Sir you now and like the body, every house wish hellish, also shout to Rachel for for bus. One of the biggest mission action movies. If you are in an explosion that has powerful enough to knock you in the air and back you dont get.

Open say I'm gettin tool for this Anwar you're flew bar, so the U S SK this and if we go with the earlier thesis nor that governments are always on the up and up they would have told soviets. Hey. We think we found your son. Of course they didn't do that they quietly it is for these soviet Navy to give up searching, the Soviets were also by the way searching. in the wrong spot. As would come to fight so soon, forces instead, after all heroin search the instead of finding anything they quietly said decay, one to nine is lost along with all Ninety eight souls aboard and. this was a delightful to the. U S We were already just as quietly work. on something else, a grand conspiracy. It see, unlike anything, that it ever happened before, They wanted to steal,

entire submarine from the depths of the ocean without anyone, including the american public know a thing about it is lie: bastards, you, sly, american dogs, you away! That's us yeah me, it's an opportunity, that's for sure. Yeah and its not just sly, but its ambitious. So this is where the conspiracy begins. Here's where it gets crazy. What we should say This is where the conspiracy we'd know about begins. has the CIA was surely aware of the treasure true under those frigid waters in the middle of the Pacific and as far as they were concerned, first price was no object, but there were problems like you. according to their calculations. These sub sank of forty point one degrees north loud

two hundred and seventy nine point- nine degrees EAST longitude. If you pull that up on, like Google Earth or Google MAPS, what- You're gonna see that is in the middle of nowhere in the North Pacific. It's like the blue country at the closest like for reference. If you look at Hawaii, it's about one thousand Five hundred nautical miles north west of why and nautical miles are not quite the same. As a mile for land Lubbers said the crow flies, it's it's european policy as the crow swept and I'm sure crowed he pissed if they had to swim by It's like a good go up there. You know them beans and morale. They try the smart enough, maybe that they would eventually build a boat. Who knows to be good? if you were a crow in a boat and you

looking at a nautical mile, it's a little more than a regular mild, because it's based on the Longitude latitude coordinates It was a slightly different calculations. One point: one: five land miles anyway, point is in the middle of nowhere. the substance in the middle of nowhere and they know that it sinks deep. We think deep, we mean very the fourth thousand eight hundred and eighty meters or sixteen thousand feet into the depths. This thing is lost, so they decide, that may be in the. U S decide that, since its obvious, the Russians don't know where this sub is. They can be. First, too, the gate. They can try to find it, so they send out another submarine right, one of their own yeah, just for the halibut

they! Suddenly? U S, s, help! I'm sorry! I return to that word. I have to say that I do, I think so too. I did back in boy scouts do I've night of plays witches descended and upon based sketch comedy- and we get in trouble one time because we wrote a sketch about Asia, a serial killer who kept calling over people from liquor a fish delivery service. and murdering them and punch line. Is you don't one, the last guy the fish places like wait? You killed everyone works lie in the guise shrugs and says for the halibut, our his eyes. classic will never never. You know. I do have to say that it seems like really wimpy name for a submarine. I find the halibut to be like one of the more bland and innocuous fishes of the sea are now the? U S, s tiger shark or something uses halibut. Is fear the? U S S, how that, but it was deployed from

pearl, harbor areas that Pearl Harbor in Hawaii, where they believed the sub wreckage, would be found in this operation. was dub sand dollars and after three weeks of searching, the halibut did in fact find that wreckage and took a lot of photographs of the k, one hundred and twenty nine, which is what convinced next and his staff to take to thy sees pirate style. now rattle and their sabres and they all dawned I patches and strip it shirts s Yo Ho, oh indeed, so this is. You know I love the were pointing this out. Halibut does to be in an arduous name, and there are a couple reasons, maybe maybe the person got a name. This sub was like the halibut This is a proud, noble fish, but but there is also a compelling argument that this,

bringing was partially chosen because it did sound. Like an ordinary run of the mill We will see whether to board later, but I yes pirates. On the high seas and the president of the kind, turns into a pirate the best and the urging of two guys were closely with an Melvin where'd and Henry Kissinger. You know- and you know what they were- the to be champions of this idea and I just picture than pitching a sub heist to President Nixon. Some outward LEO starts brainstorming and they say: ok, here's what we're gonna do. We got cover all the wreckage from the sub gonna learn more about Soviet nuclear missile technology. But just as important, we're gonna, learn about how they get away with all their sneaky codes. They wanted the cryptography they wanted by the cold books

soviet soviet officials in the age few you mentioned used We came with soviet submarines. If we're watching poetic, SAM said this is not We need to steal the arms, the ears and the tongue of our adversary, growth, YAP gross, but that's war. it's true. I would have re read about these kind of soviet who s tit for tat kind of operations. I can't not think of doktor strange love, and all of those incredible conversations in the war and there's no fighting in the war room and when he keeps, President Merkin lovely in the most amazing satirical character, name of all time, is into the I guess the Prime Minister, Russia, he gives they Dmitri, three com Dmitri everything is fine. I really sogo as shit watched its fresh in my memory. It read so holds up so holds up one

fantastic swedish in that watch. That is well almost. Whenever we're doing enough, like this using those too. Those who just named were maybe the primary goals again according to the official story, but they certainly worthy only once we're gonna pause for a moment we're from our sponsor an old dive, deep. into don't either ideas. I would make a dolphins out.

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belonging begins with us: DOT org brought to you by the council, and we have returned show there are goals within goals. There are wheels within wheels, the Americans we're sees knew that they could learn more about this we had soon our system and ways that soviet sobs were able to often of weight detection from other navies. This is This is on the level of heart stones, stealing the stealth helicopter. your Osama Bin Laden Raid and then, selling it to someone else who very much wanted to learn. in his the magic tricks. So the? U S start way imposing cause. This is very much a doctor, strange love situation and they were like pro

We're gonna learn more than ever about these soviet subs. Their view a dangerous because, like we said they can move around undetected. They can carry nuclear weapons, so we get have nukes popping off the coast of California. We can know how to stop them. Cod, This is an act of piracy. the trigger World war, three. Ok, everybody in the room is dealt with that and even if we're not caught this make a kind of expensive it. It might even be pricing but we know the K one to nine is definitely there. All we have to do is figure out. Snag it without getting bustin so ultimately Whatever the minutiae of their conversation was they decided it hold my beer. Let's go get the sub heading,

that's over bade him quite right from kiss like an builders and foul mouth bureaucrats, their wash and they don't mince words, italian and so in utter secrecy. By way, no one knows about this. Six ever very small group of people becoming begins working on something they call project as oriented no one has ever at this boy accomplish something like this before much less in top secret, manner, so they have to get the CIA involved right and they have to have CIA level secrecy. They thought of all kinds of weird stuff before the ultimate he landed on their plan and just so the planned doesn't sound too too great I think maybe no. We need to talk a little bit about their other ideas, yap myriads among some deuces, like making aid.

I can't take gas bubble large enough to live the entire sub to the surface, at which point they could then be no retrieve it power yeah man it is sent to me. It sounds like magic like something seen Disney movie when some ancient treasure is like levitating using light. You know ocean or whatever irish Hallo work, maybe maybe there Maybe it's a thing is certainly seems pretty pie in the sky and they laundry that, a bunch of other bonkers ideas, for they landed on the least bonkers ish idea which, You know building a giant mechanical claw who doesn't love a giant mechanical club, and is this like certainly welcome, claw machine was rigged. Claw machine had seen and arcade, but, like you know the scale pretty much exactly whatever other ideas they went through at some point. They said Why don't we just suited builder Klein Yank

This brings to the surface that, though their idea it's exactly like a is, I gotta go those hanging, claw games that are ya, opinion rate to sue Nixon, approves them plan sometime in the early seventies and the timelines important, because the ocean is a hungry hungry hippo are hungry, hungry place, it each man made things degrades them and there is a clock taking such means with each passing year. Integrity of that submarine is degrading, stateroom, possibly high they're trying to steal an entire submarine and they have to build the technology to do it because the technology do this doesn't exist yet. Furthermore, I thought, are you really enjoy this part? They need a plausible covers storage.

swaying, why? A? U s? Ship is out deadline around in the middle of nautical. Nowhere they needed help. Luckily they had a powerful friends, so they contact get this eccentric billionaire real life, Tony stark of the type Howard Hughes- and they say I can do, is a solid here. Can you tell every Reed America and therefore the world. The late you're doing this, The pan, handwashing enthusiasts Howard Hughes, Mason jar urinate her head around now: slippers diseases, character. You never seen the aviator is only good Some years ago, I remember seeing polity thing. We think it's great Paul thinks it's great, definitely worth three watch. I've never seen it adopts. I would definitely watch your language. I'll, also use such a fascinating character.

we did so much in the world of entertainment in aviation One Bruce Loose right, the end of his life was a tragic, but here He had established relationship with the. U S, government, you can't be a billion air in the United States. to not already have a deep relationship with the government. Call me cynical, but their city olbinett? That's absolutely realistic! make the rules, because we a billion years, but here's we read. He went to the public. is it ok, I'll I'll? Do this? For you, CIA, Just do me a favor in a future. She went to the public and he made this we're declaration He said. Oh America, I'm going to stop mining. The bottom of the ocean floor for manganese new jewels. whose role little

mineral rich rock collections that are found on the on the floor of the ocean and the thing is everybody believed and they bought. It hope sub claw and singer. Howard Hughes was already we have to remember very well know, dare I say infamous the same very wild stuff, like I said Tonia. Our earlier but think of yea. Think of Congo Wes he's like yea. in our mosque. Tony stark combined, refused to call him yea. I won't do it and it's one long here, while you gotta, I guess man's graphic oh I've, just go with, is that's what he wants to be called. They give you all fairness. If you were Matter mission Control said, I want to go by a crazy name. I would back it up is like if you, if you can should be one morning like Ben wised have happened last night of go by snake by from now on, and are you really Are you sure, and if you're sure than I got your back, you give me a lot to think about them.

Yeah. It's heavily jury is definitely a fair comparison, please the perfect kind of subterfuge for others, middle of nowhere. Nautical dealing that you described earlier, ban He launched a company, or at least the lion's share of the actual work building. This vessel came from a group called global. development in Zaragoza, real company and nothing to do with use the company was give the job. In this vessel the Hughes glow MAR explore. What's a glow mar says it s a sort of They are like luminous rocks and, like Legend Zelda breath of the wild. What is a glow mar yet glow more is I wish you were wish was based on one You are describing, but instead it's just sort of a portmanteau of global marine alone wars lay Globo can hear us hello MAR the shoes glow more explorer is weird

because member how he said, the halibut feels like sort of opinion street name for a powerful, sudden, in seven. Get underestimate that's what they want to do with the glue more explore its built to look like kind of average for a state of the art systems. I it postal like a mining vessel, while secretly a submarine retrieval vessel- and this made me think of the deer member- does The mask toys talking about like the future cops a woolly looked like they were sold is like these vehicles. It would look like regular toys if you just urge my disaster there lay there is sort of like cop six but when there is also a cartoon in that same year, called cops. There was like acronym and they were like future weird cyber cops but phenomena, mask was some sort of parents

military crime fighting force in whose area transformers adjacent users we kind of labour, transformers rape, yeah I? This was the era of the air those eighty nine, these toys that were all weirdly militarized. You know you had hearts you had any all had like acronyms. Sometimes there is gee. I too, of course, which is much more and mask so look up, mask two ways. If you wanna get a sense of the idea of this subterfuge mere wishes. I had those less time, others glow more things, so it said sale in June nineteen. Seventy four and carries this clause that as to name its official name or the series of clause. Their official name is capture vehicle, but the crew in the project officials. Here they call it Clementine. I would, of course, be read doktor claw for sticking with like that.

Sorry more encouraging theme here want just follow your though cleanliness the plenary naming clever? Does q, though, is its acute name for a big scary, claw, so I buy I get it. I get yeah here's the right to justice kitchen and later didn't, Dixon had decided this series of clauses. Claude mechanism- dived down, and it would pick up the sub anyway. get into what called remove pool this is merged area within the glue more. That would allow them to just bring the sub directly inside the vessel and Entire thing would take place under water, so you couldn't see what was happening from sea, a satellite or a spy plain, and they would use something that will drooling rigs will do it so tat any girl, a thing called a pipe dream. She, a bunch of segments of long pipe

Is there made our so called marriages? Steel in a are a gnp and that We important later should take these pipes. You would attach these a clause segments the very end you- he them down this hole in the center of the ship, and then you wait attach another length of pipe and another and another and another until you got down where the ship was, you clamp on like claim. Time Claude Assad, and then you would pull it up and, as you will pull it up, you would. This is symbol, these sections of the pipe it's pretty genius it's cool idea. It's called project as worrying we got there? We are we got there. Can, I add, really quickly, another name for a moon pool. I said I loved the moon. Pull idea is a wet porch, wet port, wet porch, it that's love it so Wet board the mud room of the sea, the earth so decide.

duration. Majorian starts in nineteen seventy four July. Fourth, it takes about it a little over a month ago stay a lot of is still classified, so we don't know time about this haste about the details, but we do know as follows? Should files I thought no new and Paul really enjoy this feel cinematic to me during this project during this month, plus brought to soviet ships actually happen across the global they visited, and they don't know that their missing submarine, which has been missing for years now, is right under their nose or do they, because after Soviet union falls the public learned I'm sure you, intelligence officials had received a tip off someone

probably on the. U S. Side had led to the information out. out of the boat of secrecy and said There's a salvage operation going on you guys might be interested in, but this might have been dismissed. this noise or just room These are even like false intel because everybody up to this point had thought there was impossible to get a sub from these debts. Whatever the case may be. However, much the Soviets New Operation did meet a speed up a sub mum because for the people who thought it was possible to do this on the soviet side, kind of turns out, they were right yeah according to some witnesses that were interviewed later, several of the clause fractured after they grabbed the k, one twenty nine, meaning that the sub itself was actually all banged up about. Two thirds of it fell back into the sea, so they

go, they need to get all the experts believe that the clause have broken because of the steel they were made for wars that still go at Adam Antium now was in many areas. Larry Steel, ok, Marriage genus does is fill me with confidence, and I know why should a guy with a gun? should I go with legal, more cipher, great steel, but There's a reason: marriage, Jean Steel, It is strong, but it's not super flexible and so therefore, if its weight, is exceeded, or if it's true and too much certain related currents, yup it breaks Yes, you do, you know about a third of the sun and this is for a date. Life comparison, something like this has happened to a lot of people in the audience today.

new. Imagine your you're slicing a cake and you gotta. Let all triangle instrument the people use the lift, decisive cake and you live. extra big slice of cake and then part of its the fall in boom aimed figured it takes because even though the spelling is different, marriages still makes you think of weddings. So with this third of the something do get it's about twelve metres long, all the lessons forty feet here. In the: U S eye, believed that this part did actually contain what the? U S in the CIA, we're looking for nuclear weapons and maybe some soviet code books. This is maybe obvious persuaded to backtrack well. But what you said earlier, I mean the: U S is doing this. Under the nose of the Soviet, the Soviets have declared the ship a loss, and they are beautiful onto the not looking for it anymore. So they had any

including the U S, was anywhere close to finding any of their secret codes. Are what have you We just change them all right I mean it would be a lost cause, so it was very crucial that the level of sea creasy remain. Hence all the Vienna cloaking dagger and cover story and Howard Hughes of it all. Yes, yet exactly a hand. we're gonna run into some questions with that stuff to toward the end here. This wasn't the only thing they found. There was something else very grizzly and tragic that they found and they were prepared for. Officially the story goes on. What those weapons, along with those possible co books, they recover the cadavers bodies of six Soviet Navy members- and these individuals were buried. It see animal during a memorial service and they were buried in metal coffins because the Americans were worried that there would be possible radioactive content

asian and you can actually see the service that they conducted online. He abode countries. Anthems played there did the memorial service in both russian and English and it in the way in that for ages. There is because it turns out that the entire ready project is worrying was filled by the CIA. Most already that footage is classified today, but after the fall the USSR. Do you mean and since the clip, that memorial service to the Russians eventually related to the families and the survival relatives of those people who passed away. So all of this actually But how do we know about it today? How are we being on people without high level security clearance? blue or in the company right now. How do we know how we go about it because a good journalists there

right. We almost didn't know about the government stopped as it can from time to time. Do the New York Times from reporting on the subject, but the EL eight times decided to do now. Just go for and they went public by the Soviet Union actually do not make an official at All- and I can see why certain embarrassing for that to happen- I'll get it, especially since we said those two other ships over and I love the point made. knock is something we need to acknowledge more openly at the. U S, government can exert control over media, and they did so in this case the way Times deserves a lot of kudos for backing that trend. But it's all the soviet restarting or we can only imagine what went on behind the scenes like how many people were fired, how many people got shipped off somewhere

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This means I'm not seeing their all related by was, at the very least a terrible year to serve on a submarine and like you, and I have been allowed into gently over the courses Not. Everyone believes the official version of the conspiracy surrounding the k, one to nine. In fact, folks think that the Americans were after something out snatches nuclear weapons, not just coat but well. What maybe doing now there? Well, that was the big question. It was big enough to actually went to court military court, the middle Harry Audit Project led a lawsuit suggesting that the mission to steal Soviet sub was in fact a cover story. for another, even more secretive vision, Like a tragedy in the secretive enough. Do we really need another layer to these russian nestling dolls? the conspiracy I just come on cages Satisfied conspiracy, people

they have done- and I know it's already secretive enough right. It's already doubly weirdly extra. Do no double plus secret I just don't know what it could possibly be, but yeah will summon the sum of the proposed. True goals were things like oh they're, not really recovery. Submarine it all. Instead, there tat an undersea communication lines, which is a real thing that happens. Others operation ivy bells, I believe at school. Everything was that they were packed with full, I ask you to put the consumer who in there, because I see set further. What I like is the idea that maybe some love crafty in algeria- Small stir from the deep didn't all the way. Wake up, but like role over and sleep and for those for subsidies. Appeared we're trying to fight it. Maybe they put it back this.

Maybe there was a nuclear incident. I think our theories pretty, more reasonable. Other theories include the idea that The? U S, government was installing underwater missile silos or repairing parts of that oceanic, surveillance system, a hydra phone and just to be ferreting. Underwater missile silos are a thing. That's not just the stuff of bond films ripe. Well, that's that's a question. You know so There are a lot of your ground missile silos, but their decommissioned I'd. I dont know if their. If there were purpose leave built. Undersea missile silo sufficiently now looks like a no more recently. Where should I come from a cursory google? Yes, even when the first, the first headliners? Why? the. U S build missile silo underwater anyway

She asked I dunno just for fun region. In my mind, I picturings moment from some movie where rockets emerge. from under the sea? One could not come? a submarine? No, because those are like movable underwater missile sites against this good plainer? Why lock yourself down and when occasion, makes lab or easy to find and destroy your infrastructure aid by the air, maybe a free spirit in the Maybe the juices theory is This has like shades of home for Red October. Is the idea that the case one to nine was a victim of victim of here's, the pitch. So wrong KGB agents, try to take over this job and skies themselves as a chinese Navy vessel. They lie nuclear weapons in hope of sparking a war between China. in the United States

little Rube Goldberg ask but its neo false flagging? This comes from a book in two thousand five called red. star ruled by Kenneth Swollen Club, Richmond NUTS. I got fiction but great been no, they think it actually they'll, ask their argument, but it doesn't seem to hold much water, moping Scareth, canonical But what will? What would you disguised yourselves, a chinese Navy vessel. I mean the do. They have different types of crafts. Would it be below? Just like flying a chinese flag, I dont yeah. I details on that. Our stand by, I believe did they have they have what they feels backing evident Red STAR Road, but there are a couple of signals. You can change our call size if he had access to it.

that you knew, the? U S or chinese intelligence forces new than you could try to hear. You could try to Poland old, star wars thing like it's an old go, but it checks out turn a move to be fair return. What about the? U? S perspective we haven't talked by the russian perspective. Russian historians don't agree with these ideas. They have their own theory, which is pretty. Why weeks in Russia from what I understand they see. That became one hundred nine sank as a non sub ran into it and american submarine the? U S, s swordfish, which is better name than halibut values. Garlic built in weapon the exact? What exactly are the? U S has never really acknowledged this theory, but if you look at the accounts, from the? U S, Navy, from the swordfish we do knowledge that swordfish took some damage during this

in time. The pc was damage in the sea of Japan about two thousand miles away, the swordfish have an internal explosion, but there wasn't until October of nineteen eighty five, so their cup there there groups who have varying explanations for what actually happened, when the Soviet Sub K want nine wrecked and when it was retrieved, but we wanted the end or a fine fact. So small water and my fear, is my favorite glow marked, not not the coolest name, but when this became public, when the allay times brings the story on people, ask more questions in the press and in what they call a dinner tables across. On town, America, main street America, the officials of the time I really daisy position because they're getting asked questions, they literally can answer, because if they feel like, if they say anything about it, they're gonna

compromise themselves, or might accidently start world war, three, which is not a good look, so they came up with the most matrix died. these non answer possible in the english language. No, What what did they say when someone's like hey can tell us about the timing? Stole said, I mean Like the supercharged leg. You know ultra version of no comment. It is we can confirm nor deny and I'm sure, there's a reason legally. Why that some, better than no comment on the carpet. about the re right right. This, maybe maybe not. I know you are, but what am I mean it's up there when people tag just say in the same way, but but so this phrase we can either

confirm or deny for those in the no. It is often called the glow more response because it came from this situation and other intelligence agencies picked up on this, not just in the U S but across the world. Other governments picked up on this. You could still hear it today and don't be afraid to pointed out, Do because here's what it means when someone says we can now confirm or deny There really saying is nay, do not want to be quoted at all. In any substantive way and when they see that they're usually I am concerned about the person asking. The question is whether its wake Al Jazeera or Foxier MSNBC. Here you know seen in Singapore, whatever you're worried about who is seen in the shadows and right now it's twenty two. to a right. Now, no one in the public sphere exactly what happened to that one third of the ship that they picked up?

no one knows what happened to no one. What was in the two thirds of the ship and say back down? I bet it's himself Grip museum yeah. Maybe I could call good callback yeah. I would love to be in a secret museum. We also don't know what happened to the Soviet that were retrieve that's crazy there, a lot of answer, questions conspiracies and conspiracies and conspiracies, and we probably I know the answers to these conclusions Yes, there is a huge push towards transparency, but for now I mean more, we have to ask our fellow conspiracy realistic. What do you think folks Jubilee the official story of water? examples of covered up operations what Did the CIA say to Howard Hughes to get him to go a long way to go to be their sort of pr puppet you I mean, I don't know what

You offer that guy he's a billionaire? What does he need more messengers? More Mason jars, fewer nail clippers, in homes across Amerika, bigger and bigger and bigger planes. Well, let us know we can to hear from you. We hope you enjoyed today's episode. Figures always returning and we can't wait to hear your take folks, especially our veterans out there Folks who have served, on a submarine tell us what I remind we try to be easy to find online. Let us not have ever casually dropped. You can neither confirm nor deny something in conversation at a party that is a serious power move. My Let us now we're all over the internet. You could find us on Twitter Facebook Youtube under the handle conspiracy, stuff, whereat, conspiracies show on Instagram Ben. Where else can they find us? Maybe outside of the weird toxic Bob that is the internet. Now, that's right! Yes,

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