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the situation with the award winning multiple I'm selling, recording artist, musical phenomenon, and now so our pure podcast kasza and creepy is the one and only cash. You really here. Thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks for having me and what, if I'm just a hologram of myself, it's me certainly possible, but barely hype Manning that hologram leg is best, and I think I ever heard done. Thank you so much for joining us care, so this is exciting cash in the crew. This is a show that I was super excited to have a little bit of a hand and kind of you now, starting together on the network and of working with you to to get it mother, I heard network in TAT, fell from the start like a good fit, for our shock has its. Really is an exploration of kind of all things. Creepy. All things supernatural, academic bizarre tee- tell us a little bit up front. We

comes from and as far as your fascination with this kind of stuff sure. Well, I definitely think that you have more than just a little bit of a hand and that you ve been very helpful in guiding me in the ways of making a podcast. So I think we should- and I just have always been fascinated with things that I dont understand- I always find that that's the most magical part of life's I've always been drawn to trying to discover more and more. About it, but it turns out the more I know the more I realize I dont know, so I just want to talk to all the people with all the experiences and get all different perspectives, and that's my pot guesses about just exploring different artists and the experiences they ve had caught leaders, a wizard, just the you name it. I went to talking about weird shit. Anything, that's spiritual, it's kind of like upon Casper. Whenever you want to talk about that's just a little bit magical or unexplainable,

I greatly enjoyed the January. That is a pre recent, I believe with Paris, psychologist doktor, Caroline Y yeah. That was so interesting for me at least did you did you learn anything that surprised you in that particular episode? There is one thing she told me that was a bow. Fifty percent of people believe in the supernatural, but in that fifty percent praying is considered believing in the supernatural. So if you are a person, that's ever set a prayer. You would fall into that category and I have usually, in moments of desperation, fallen to prayer as like very last option like when I'm on a scary flight or something and apparently that that is participating in the living in the supernatural. I didn't know that believing in God would also be believing in the supernatural, but I guess it totally makes

and yet so many of those folks might consider the other realms of supernatural study and believed to be the occult in some way. Demonic, gird devil shepherd. I think it's very ironic, and thus I'd never occurred to me, but it absolutely as what is praying, if not indicating with the supernatural with other sigh with SAM languidly entity beyond this realm and something that can help you. If you just talk to it that you can't see so when she said that a kind of blue my mind- and I realise that there are so many people that believe in this you pronounce or even if they are not aware that its supernatural, but it is just supernatural arose by any other name, almost yeah this. This is the perfect set up for some of this stuff, we wanted to explore with you today, because I too to that earlier point about What is supernatural we encounter through kind of our pre existing lens, our own experiences as in- the joint human beings, so, what

person might see something and think it's an angel right in person might see something you think it's up a ghost or an alien. However, you can have the words and the information that you ve gotten through your whole life of what that thing is it, but I think we might all be talking about the same thing at the end of the day, my higher consciousness. Sometimes I'm like is that an alien is that just me, but my highest cell, is that just me meditating and feeling fucking weird, I don't know, but you can kind of fall under all those names does it come from within me or my tuning into something beyond myself, something external, I think that's the most. Question to me about all this stuff meet, you owe me Ok wanting on this really quickly. You spoke recently with Demi Lovato. Gosh she described going to urge a retreat with a specific person. The weave spoken

on the show before Stephen Greer, deviant, we're, ok, cool and you and wheat. You know I just want to hear what year take is on that close encounters of the fifth kind, using meditation to make contact with an extra terrestrial being of some sort. I have a kind of funny story, so I went to the dentist fairly recently in the past year and I had a fucked up too. So I got laughing gas and then when I got home that night I was meditating. Sages was like, I feel bizarre I'm paying Eminem meditate and night. I had the most psychedelic experience. I fully connected to something where I saw a gray, but it's like the Quintessential Gray- and this is all through meditation granted earlier in the day- there is laughing us up, but something about

combination. It was like it. and my mind up through giving like a cavity felt winter. I didn't understand I still don't understand. It was one of the experiences that made me want to start a podcast about it because I was like this is just don't know what it is, but it's real and I can feel it and I feel it inside of me and I'm seeing it and I'm interacting with this being, and I don't know if that's an alien, I don't know if it's just myself, I dont know if trip in all of this is just a hard core meditation. I don't know what it is, but it felt very much like I met God through meditation think. As earlier and its fascinating, this story, because you may have been produced, repeating in a very ancient phenomenon that species has experienced since really since, before we had language to write it down through things meditation, through certain

religious rituals. Even just you know, prayer becomes a kind of meditation as well or the ritualistic injustice of certain things. People have felt that they have not only had an experience with some sort of higher reality or higher entity or being or God, but this experience stays with people afterwards so So do you feel like when you described this, do feel a part of you still vividly is experiencing it. Oh yeah. It was a really job in a beautiful way as very during experience that I can't really explain when you try to talk about it. I know it sounds just like girl your

when they re like felt it inside of my body and fully experienced as something that I've been searching for my whole life, and I met that. I don't know if it's the highest version of myself, like almost like, if I were to evolve so much that I would become like the highest version of my consciousness. I dont offers that or if it was a separate being but it all very connected as well. So it made me just feel like. Oh now, I'm on this quest of try to find as much information as possible on how we're all connected and how to reach the level of being able to see how interconnected we, are, and not only with each other, but with like our molecules and with plants and with animals, and maybe with extraterrestrials, they were all just so connected. I think the thing this fascinating to about direction that psychedelic research has gone and is its

has become a lot more mainstream, is a lot more clinical studies going into in terms of how it can affect things like addiction, things like depression or PTSD, to me. A lot of that has to do with exactly what you're talking about it has ability to give you this kind of Nedda perspective and sort of free. You from trappings of your own mind where it so easy to get caught up in patterns, many of which are very bad, like tobacco addiction or when addiction or any kind of abusive behaviour, even negative self talk, a gay like depression. These are just patterns and it's easy. Caught in them within your own mind. But when you take these types of substances, get into it sort of it sounds cheesy to say big spans your mind, but it's sort of allows you to look down outside of yourself and see those connections and realize that you are part of like a Judd, larger fabric and you are interconnected in that is not only the memory of that is not only comforting. It is seemingly what helps break those bad association in those bad connection, because you're sort of trap.

Locked in the sort of like breaks you out a little bit. Yes- and I have seen people that I know that have experienced really beautiful and enlightening experiences on. Second, alex- and it just makes me wonder- what's the possibility with these and I really with love for them to be studied, because, as someone who suffers from PTSD, I suffer from anxiety. I suffer from depression and if I go to a doctor- and they prescribe me an antidepressant, I feel very safe knowing that it's been studied and how much to take- and it just makes me feel not anxious, Marny anxious person. So I like knowing like how much to take its and studied- and this is like what you're supposed to do. I somehow like that structure and I would hope that we can study the things that come from the earth and natural things that have been part of ritual,

you're saying of ancient civilizations forever and see how the natural things could affect our brains and that have been affecting other people and enlightening them and having us all kind of experience, this God connection, sometimes when you like later go there, and I would like to see the intend to present bodies if they were studied. Scientists clearly there are some pretty. There are some pretty compelling. Studies going on right now: we're little bit as a species in at least in sierra we're we're in our infancy, stud that's why I guess you could say the human species is in its infancy in many ways, but what what we found is We I mean the experts, not Matt, Enola myself below what we found is that their there is this com analogy this regulatory, this epiphany the people have reported through out human. His

three one. Very beautiful, modern version of this effect has nothing to do with psychedelic. Technically, it's the the sperience astronauts feel when they view earth from space, it's called the overview effect and its yet and its you know it's instantly getting zapped with some greater feeling of divinity and when we what I love about your point about studying the natural world. A lot of this research has been stymied. You know bites. ideas of the time by by things like you, Political initiatives like a war on drugs, but if we look at some psychedelic we look at DM t. Specifically we find that it, bowed as natural as you can get, because our bodies produce it cast, everyone has it in our. We have it in our brains,

as natural as it get like. You said its natural as you could possibly get. We have it in us, so I'm so curious on the on the studies that you guys are bred up eyes. I read one thing that people that women to taking Dm T twenty five percent of the people that go in and duty m t do not believe in God they come out of the experience and there's only ten percent of people that don't believe in God. So there's a fifteen percent of people that, through this drug than is inside of all of our brains by experiencing the drug, then believe in God. I just think that that is something really interesting at something I want to know more about it, something I feel like we should I want to know more about, I would learn something that would prove that there is a god and make us also more connected and more empathetic towards each other, maybe treat each other better.

cs I mean for me, like I don't believe in the Christian Guide. I don't believe in like Java, but I believe in something in and that experience for me largely has to do with is that I remember from past experiences like what we're talking about another. I mean really does and again just really quick. Disclaimer too, we are not doing episode prepared. go tried drugs. This is all about personal choice. This is all about the research behind it and the way it kind of weaves into culture and society. All of these big picture thing so is definitely not a saying: go out there and try all the psychedelic, but there you know, is becoming much more mainstreamed in another study that I wanted to bring up is done by Johns Hopkins and they do kind of up makes collar randomize clinical trial of twenty four participants I mention this on a recent news: episode of of the pike ass with major depressive disorder and then those who receive quote immediate Scylla, Simon assisted Therapy, compared

delayed, showed improvement in blinded clinical, rather clinician Rayner assessed depressed and severity, in other words the as they got it right away, were less depressed him when's that either got placebo or got it delayed. So study like this are leading to things like IP owes of companies that are trying to get. You know: FDA approval, Phyllis I've been based, treatments are even the word synthesizing Scylla, Simon, that can be than mass produced to use to whether it's mine dosing or whatever it is to actually help people. So I that can't be denied and inefficient sort of missing the point when people demonizing. therefore the idea of the war on drugs and all then, to me, it's more about big pharma, not liking, stuff fame. Oh my god, I was going to say but I wasn't sure vows lot to say that generally hopeless, because I think that big farmer obviously is making

fuck ton of money off of people being depressed being anxious and eating medication and what would happen if the medication was coming from the earth and I know side of our own brains. I think a take a lot of money away from people and be once you connect to. I really hate the word- God, I think, there's so much baggage with its I'm with you, it's more just like your higher consciousness and the connection of all of us. In the same way, they are saying, like wouldn't astronauts, gotta space, how its just we're all connected for our part of this island holding the universe that seem needed to, but I think tat, even though a been saying by that actual experience, that's like litter seeing your place in the universe and to me, the connection that I feel are with with like time and ends in history and the stars, you that's just Lord. I like to use the same and we'll be back diving further into this conversation. Afterward from our sponsor

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back into our conversation with cash. I'd like to take it back to didn t, because the research is here I in, but it's not too to the point, I shall none of the function or audience today are in the exact same place. You are and candidly that I am where, where the ideas I would love for there to be worse to these things. Big farmer does cell services, not cures. That's business model, I would love to have these solutions, but it won't. I the research to be there. You know I want mine to be ok, I want I want. Don't, I know is much like a rule breaker, as I'm supposed to be. I dont want to ingest some shit that hasn't. Studied. I'm sorry. I just wish that it. I wish it was just a little bit more accepted So I could know what's ok,

and what would be helpful for things that I suffer from an also it's worth mentioning. I think that some of these medicines, these plant based medicines, might encourage higher consciousness. They might incur I think they do encourage enlightenment and I dont think enlightenment is good for big farm a business and I don't think it's good for capitalism, and I don't think it's good for politics, like I think it's a little bit of a scary concept for us all to be enlightened, because then we're not going to be hang on our funds, lake, depressed shy being like those in Algeria, throwing the dooms girl added so right in so right. That's all! I really truly think that enlightenment is not good for politics and oh agree, and I think that some of these

natural medicines may or may not, but through studying and reading about, the studies seems like they are encouraging people to feel more connected and finding some sort of higher power, and I don't think that's necessarily a good thing for a lot of business a new era of happiness is is not is not exactly what the status quo of unhappiness seeks right and especially fears. If there's a profit motive involve that's another big, is in less and less. Some of these substances are I've to synthesize in such a way that they can be patented, then no can really own them, which I

It is a huge problem for some of those corporate interests. Of course, there is an interest if you can get them from the earth and in your brain, even just through like deep meditation like and you can find enlightenment, I don't think it's is encouraged, as may be taking medicine you know whatever big firm accompany, and that's sad to me because it's it's like at our fingertips as animals on this earth like we could be so it could be so easily accessible to things that can help with Peter see and depression and anxiety and things that I think, a lot of people. These days suffer from which I mean look the fucking world right now, it's twenty, twenty one. If you're not depressed, are you not paying attention now lie? That's why I want to get really quickly just to the underlying science of some of this stuff. Just so we understand what we're talking about it and what the effect psychedelic actually have on your brain

and I think this is a very important thing. We ve talked about serotonin how port and how important it is in the human brain in our lives. And what psychedelic do we your experiencing as an end. Visual, the psychedelic effect. Let's say what We happening as your serotonin to a receptor is being targeted and then essentially, sections of your brain are communicating with other sections that generally wouldn't be. Munich eating with one another and that's why you're going to strange, sensations may be seeing something maybe hearing something the hallucinations that generally occur, if you're lucky Edit ANA biochemical level of you know things for, in your brain that's what's occurring, though the weird thing is that those new connections that are made after you're coming down from your trip, or yours yet the feeling of that you know- We really good on one of these substances. Your brain

essentially has reset many connections back to a more baseline level, which is already at level. Two, that's ed. I love the point. Hey you're, making there. This is to me. handedly one of the most amazing things about these experiences they gets reported is Sinnest Asia. You know a certain amount of high and said Tunisia is when you're when your sensory inputs are switch. So, like I have levels in stages of sounds have textures for me. By for other people sounds have looks like the of the writer Nabokov at was convinced that every sound in the languages. He spoke out of color and a texture and win what mats talking about here with those pathway skidding, Reese, I sometimes the sensory inputs get rich to any of you here. You know you hear the were lost ed.

Listen! You like wow, the word LOS Angeles, smells like toast immense crazy Oh, I am having a seizure yesterday in ITALY and also its often ascribe are attributed to artistic types who have those those kind of crossed wires in terms of being able to experience. Sound is texture. It it kind of predisposes. You too may be thinking of being able to almost like paint with sound in our create sonic textures, because that's a servant You interpret them differently than somebody that may be. Has the regular wiring? I may have this because when I write songs, I usually think of them and like a color scheme, I'm very visual so and then, when I think sometimes I'll, just accidently close my eyes and realize I'm closing eyes and single lick. The emotions go with certain colors, so we haven't you talking to me, is that as a type of that is a type of since the Asia.

and this is irrational, said this is something that is often associated with with art with musicians with sculptors. It's something that people who have never thought of this might experience when they are when they have ingested were encountered. One of these substances that we're talking about and the thing that the thing that the irritating about this I'll say it was a leave. It alone there studies on this kind of stuff? In this? these in seventy similar stories about the Leary re. Yes, actually DNS and those studies got shut down because no there's always a war on some sort of idea not and Those studies had not been shut down. We could have made so much more progress already. I know in terms of treating PTSD and depression anxiety in all these troubling dish. In spite,

I know a lot of listeners are going to be thinking about that. I would say to those of us listening along at home, you know, don't don't lose too much time worrying about what could have happened, because we can really change the pay but we can change the future and we can make a difference for not just our else, but the generations coming after us, and I am so glad that so many doctors Greece. Will we dived down into the science here. We see we see very strange commonalities, things that don't usually happen in medicine. We know speaking of having down into science. I think one of my favorite deep, deep, slightly deep cut, psychedelic experimentations was John C lily- involve bottle, knows: dolphins and sensory deprivation, tanks that inspired the films the day of the dolphin and altered state, and he believed that through LSD he could communicate with dolphins like psychically, so that

and thinking has been around for a long time. This idea that this opens you up and tunes you end of frequencies. You would otherwise be able to experience, and, yes, he came off bit of a quack here and there was, I think there was some talk of some low key doll. sex. Perhaps we have to resolve insects guy a year the head, darted here, job it was raised, is assisted, exploited by ITALY, where they live with them and London apartment. Basically, who is this? I shant John Lily was his name John C Lily Can I just tell you a funny story that has nothing to do with when I was onto our, which I miss dearly, but we were all. Laying like a game, the bus couple of my tax, where a little inebriated, I must say they had a couple of beers, and because this story about this man, my tack, but the website dolphins,

thanks man. So if you go to the website, because ninety nine cents to by events and that's owned by my guitar tat, How is the? How is the stock on that? You are on a higher than that by now? Am I, Tony s name, but now it shoot him like there were other fringe. Experiments like there's going on Think Timothy Leary is is the is the big the biggie, but All still was kind of wrapped up in this, like sort of wild West nests of the sixties, whereas now it's a lot we're clinical and it's a good way. I'm not the way people use clinical as a bad word, but- and I think that's really fascinating in its also free and it has taken this long for the kind of come back around. You know why. I just think that it's probably a threat to other kinds of medicine and I I don't know

that, but it seems like why, wouldn't we explore what is naturally occurring in our brains and on the earth if it is seemingly helping people- and I just I just- would like to see where the research goes like I said earlier- I'm not like you said, knock giving people a girl like trip balls right now. I dont and curves our private terrible idea, but I think that I would just be curious what these natural substances could bring into our consciousness. That seems like overwhelmingly, so the research has shown that it has been Positive and having been you found was that, like studies have shown that Sir Simon shhh rooms in particular, are about the safest thing you can do Lang right up, Yeah, there's there's! No one of the oddest things is that for many many drugs, many substances all drugs, I there is a overdose threshold. And suicide, and apparently

how does it have that? Were it has I've been reached in the entire If human history, no one, is managed to reduce I in like a physically del, Horace way on this stuff. It's a strange because I think experiments communication with non human, hell agencies in indication orphans in such. I think that in iteration of the larger, an older belief that we are meeting some sort of entity or people are. People are meeting something, and I love your point. Your cash, we said you know, is it higher version of oneself? Is it? we having a more honest, real is self realisation or as multiple cultures have argued is Is there something there? That's when that's what we see these weird commonalities come into play. It is, it is not short a bizarre for so long

things like this to be reported by different people from different backgrounds in a similar way and then and there cultural links. You know changes in a little you'll have people say machine elsewhere, I met an angel or I may aliens, and I were I when I think is so fascinating about this is now we are, the disguise I been the same kind of thing, but there describing the same kind of experience. There not just witnessed senior beholding something they feel they are in conversation in communion with it ended, and just just through a course like a full disclaimer when we are talking about these studies. None of these people, we're just given LSD or given magic, mushrooms, it was part of the monitored like treatment programme. Where each do you have therapy in your group sessions. So please don't think we're too. about mad scientist. Just you know

in Caille drawn people. They are like a fake Sherman. Those are also nightmare, just people that claimed humans are like that. There are real shamans, though the like, when I was improved, I did not participate, but they there's like a whole eyewash. Community or you can go into the jungle and take I ask, and now I am too much of a pussy, because it sounds terrifying. I'm kind of horrible cause you barf and poop everywhere, and I was just like now I have heard and read the end. You know people I've spoken to have said a changed their life, so I just would love to see the research on it cause again going back to I'm kind of a pussy. I just like. I want to know the sports about it? The idea of a bad trip to think is like a thing that sort of has this like wait. Do it, but sometimes What you're, describing you know, could be almost like an on purpose, bad trip that forces you to confront bad shape

it's in your mind, You know and I think that's what about Europe comes from his where your head is out before you ingest, said substance, and if you're dealing with demon, that's gonna come out manifest itself in your experience and they You have a sham and you could walk you through and literally slay the psychic demons that manifest themselves in quoting quota bad trip. So I think you know it's not it's all about the individual brain and the individual Or human and what they are going through and what they are experiencing as to what happens in one of these types of situations. Call it we're gonna, take just a quick every that and will return in a moment. So there's this stuff. They don't want you to know don't you have to know like do you know where your team works? Yeah, we don't mean from home, as we are doing here. Or only when these days back in the office, what we mean is a shared place. Imagine it to track plan and manage all of you

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you're back. I was secular reasons why the I believe the rituals are important if you're seen in you don't believe in any any higher plane or any kind of spiritual stuff. If you're, very secular person, then consider the two main factors of psychedelic experiences are seen in setting a scene it's kind of your external environment. We could even call setting your mental invite and so, when you have a ritual like I Alaska, those ritual we are not really meant to be fun. For my understanding, it supposed to be an important impact, full thing and not entirely pleasant, because I think I think you're right about the barking, which was a big According to a friend of mine, it was like a very unpleasant experience, but the afterwards just felt so much like spiritually and to lead a lighter and a little bit more free of the demands that they have been experiencing

a large part of their life- and I think it's like a purging of those demons like you're, saying released to them. It was you that makes sense in it. In so we see we see science supporting this. The Journal of Psycho Pharmacology did a study with over two thousand five hundred people about Dm Tee, active ingredient. I Alaska and that study they didn't get rookies they. They all so, people who had done ingested deity in some form, like a bakers dozen times throughout their lives which opinion- is a lot, but you know I'm not that food on that, when what they found was that Ninety nine percent of people had a profound and lasting emotional response to your point. It they were each like day. It's not like us. drinks, booze, and they get drunk for a night. These peoples, then changed about their mentality that stayed with them. They felt they were

you, one percent felt they were in a man a reality, the broken through the matrix. They were experiencing the overview effect and they all lake described the they all. they felt like they met something, even if it was just themselves, which is the the weirdest part, because you know that leads fringe riders to say, will what if these things we been calling alien in all these stories of ufos throughout generations, what if those are just how the same thing we have encountered during intense periods of men station or maybe intense periods of psychic turmoil, or maybe when is a ritual ingestion. These substances- I I don't its exciting. Because again, this doesn't really happen in scientific research. There is usually much more of an outlier when there's a guy like that. There's a spiritual connection in

science. I love it when they converge. I love when you going to something and even come out and a lot of people, then all of a sudden believe in a higher power higher consciousness or the universe are God or whatever you want to call it to mean. That just is pointing to what is that experience doing it's obviously doing something positive for people's making them feel more or less alone, and whether it they have themselves or their or their less alone in the universe cause they believe in earlier. Are there less alone because they found a God type figure? I just think that it doesn't seem like a bad thing, so I think that its worth exploring and if we all were to evolve. What would that look like like feel less alone, like I just wonder like how that change society, they change be beautiful a lot of his wouldn't be as good matrix batteries

for enough consumer, lie down. Ok, here's the thing I have to tell myself: I've never seen the matrix at a very weird high school experience where I was not allowed to watch allotted movies tv and I had to go outside and right songs and so things, so I never got to see like there are so many movies. I've never seen. I've never seen Harry Potter, I've never seen the matrix. So in your here the matrix for I don't know what you're talking about Blame it. Ok, so in the media not around on the well do let me everyone in the world has seen an idyllic of complete, jackass and watch while those issues in these anguish, exactly it's doing a good job of pop culture rising a thing. We are probably already aware of the idea that we're all just cogs in this machine that is like something is happening beyond our our consciousness. our awareness were being used by agree

her power as like a tool for their benefit. Not ours was at about this, the size of it yeah in theirs there's a false world that we are actually expect. in writing and the real work, a video game- essentially like that. We're word: human beings are physically into a machine, and our batteries for this other bigger machine, but we are in a virtual reality, world that is like earth in all of this stuff Its leaders cavern, where action saying this is still not surprise me. None of that is that I kind of what I think probably might be happening, anyways any whether were somewhere else being plugged into those who are more definite

like it into their nose like I'm having a conversation with a bunch of people that are elsewhere, yet we are here together like that. Still trips me out. I know it should be normal to you by now that the leaders, the Platos Cave thing, I think, is the most appropriate- can a little parable for all of this ban China is another lower years for a change in place staring at a screen, basically and there's shadows on the wall that represent things but are actually the things themselves. Well. So, in the end, story of Platos Cavern, which is which is just it's a banker our sovereignty scale in this story there are, there are just is just as you said, there are people who spent the end. ready of their lives in this case, with the with fire or an entrance behind them, so all that they can see or the shadow cast by these objects, so that the problem with it is

because their chains, they cannot look to the left or right symbolic, They cannot change their perspective. So are they can only see the shadows of other things, and the question is what happened when they escape the cave. If somebody escape the cave, and they leave this false world too, real world or the over old what everyone appall it would I understand what was happening. Would they be blinded by the light? Would they like? Knowing overall reality? Or would they say this is crazy? Take me back to the cave I've seen a real horse in the shadows of horses are way less brightening. Ninety I sometimes hear about like this past year is the first time ever slowed down. Since I was eighteen nineteen years old like it's just been like,

oh wild right and it's been very self involved. I mean promoting myself singing songs about myself. Let's just be honest, flick, it's a lot of me, and so is the first year. I've got to really stop and look. It everyone else in the world and everything else there could be, and it is its uncomfortable like growing in going out of the cave, which I feel like the thicket. I feel, like I've been creeping out of the cave slowly this here and it's a soup Uncomfortable? But once you once you see it, you can't go back That's really any tat once you open the doors like it's not necessarily comfortable, but I do think that it's making me aware, conscious person and is not necessarily comfortable easy, but you know I'm on a different trip, so here we go so far on this trip. It appears at least

websites across the internet. There. You are way to be getting onto a cruise at some point later this year. Is that really happening, and are you sure it's the best idea? Now? I m not sure it's the best idea. This really depends on the vaccine. Spell it depends on like how covered is going But I am supposed to go on a cashier crews, which I know sounds like probably hell to you guys and for me, I'd never been on a cruise horse. I like, oh, I don't know how this gonna go and it was like the greatest three and a half days of my entire life, but as also like tv to see how covered where works out and then by then we're gonna. on aliens little bit, because that is exactly that is segue way and a half right there. I dive right in the news. Ben Yes, yes, This is something so since we're

hiding about peeking behind the curtain, reality Let's look behind the curtain of today's episode, cash Are you mad? No, and I worked in any event this call reliable way we're cool things we want to discuss. You know where: where will we like to explore together and use something very interesting. told us, you told us, Paraphrasing like disclose guys also, I think disclosure is it's gonna, be a thing. It's coming up. Disclosure for anyone who listens to the show and somehow doesn't know we're talking about is the idea that there will be information released regarding either the presence of intelligent, non human being Yes, call me aliens if you want, or there will be something even further lake

a government say hey. We ve actually interacted with these folks and now we're going to tell you won't folks. Cash had told us back in December, I think there is, I think, there's something on the way and it turns out that you were right, you re let Phil occurring in the air. I swear God. I just feel it. I feel, like the media is starting to slowly introduce the ideas of extraterrestrial or you know whatever I'm in a calm aliens, because it's easier term but some sort of life and their image. Sneak in to you- know social media. It's gonna sneak into New York Times a sneak in life. t empty it, we're gonna, get all these places and just make people little more comfortable with the idea that this is coming and I can just feel it slowly getting integrated. In two conversations

and it's getting less taboo unless crazy and more legitimate, and you keep seeing more Here's a more people talking about it and now they're going to release how many all the information, Jes guess the hidden, the covert relief bill of United States. There's. This look like You go down in the metropolis dolls enough, there's one little peace where they said, oh boy, by the way the CIA has a hundred and eighty days to release everything they ever knew about Ufos. Since the nation of the CIA. Basically, so you called it all that stuff the little. We call we talked about this and that's all called pork. I guess where you know it's like a quid pro quo. I will give you your thing. If you give us Arthur who pushed for that like who, whose pushing for to be wrapped up in this completely unrelated bill. What that's it I'm wondering is a total unrelated willing

Another disclosure, never man. I saw your eyes light up when I was that Mapquest didn't. We got found out it was marker. Rubio, I think, is this time around that that surprised me this time round, be little more. I oh yeah, the guy who drinks the water weird that they didn't practice now. Drinks, water. Really we dislike. You hold your language with the finger and thumb on a each have to like it, Larry our child. That's Yes, you can kiss the lip of the bottle. Which is really a potter anyway. Anyway, people should blogger the way they wish? I guess, but we're yet This is a part of a larger patterns. Marker Rubio, Venus supporter,

really surprised us on this show, but there were other people before Carrie Reed, came out and said that he wanted to add that there was stuff don't watch you know, I'm sorry. I said the title in the conversations insurance bye bye said there was these said, the wooden, are things that needed to be made public, I any he didn't. I dont think either went so far as to say definitely aliens, but they said there are things we have seen that we cannot explain and the public needs needs Margo Rubio, I said we had of what we're he said. You know really. May be better if its aliens, because otherwise it's it's another country, that's doing things. We don't understand, and I we learn realising normalizing. Yes, bizarre brains can become accustomed to it. Not being that far out I mean you know anything. What I think you make a really great points, because my initial reaction is like wire,

stories not making bigger news. Why are these not like big massive headlines? You know about the whatever that that that video, the Tom Delong kind of pushed out where I was like some Navy pilots literally comment on what the hell is. This thing there seeing it was below the fold type stuff like more internet stuff, and it still doesn't even this is- is the kindest have we? find out about. But it's like not massive news. you're right. It is sort of a effects and whether that I design or people just been pre programmed to kind of ignore this stuff or think it's all bogus its fascinating none than the last- and I am really looking forward to keeping an eye on as as it develops kind of you now. Yes, me too, and we are talking about this earlier- I'm on cash in the creepy. They talked a demi Lovato and she talked all about these insane experiences. She had like such a trip, and

Like my mind, was blood, and the only thing that news picked up on was that we Data are hair about this they're talking about how we want to know how we like- and I am talking about how I met god- unsheathed played with the aliens and like a big, does picked up on our hair. It's just so bizarre, although you are the most bizarre thing. This is what disclosures gonna be we're gonna find out that the machine elves that we experience through meditation Andy Empty are the actual extraterrestrials and you'll get am I going out there you get to him by going in here? Yeah! That's that's gonna be, I thought you might be in here and out there, because I think, we're all microcosm of the same thing. Like we're all like a bunch of people running around on earth where, like them all tools of the earth. Then you go out and I think once extraterrestrial life is

I think we're just gonna relays, worldviews microcosm than it just keeps getting bigger and you can zoom out or you can do men and where its are connected- and I think that's the part. That brings me a little bit of peace knowing all connected, but also wanting peep. Other people too, like see it too, because rules connected able- we would stop? Yes, we'll stop acting otherwise right super symmetry, and I had to say from the start. When we met in- and I found out about your show- I thought you have such an intuitive, connected nervous about you. That makes you a great interviewer and you're really good. At putting these since together and pulling the stories out of people and that's why I think everyone should go check out caution. The creeping you to touch on the kind that we touch him on the show and everything in between is just about human and that's why I think that such a fun special and you ve got, I'm lucky that I know you're kind of deep cut lists of stuff in the

sure and there's some really cool folks on there that I will not spoil by two men and end and download it and subscribe on all the pod cast places today. You won't be sorry thanks guys. Oh thank you so much for your time cash it today we in additional. What did you think you are, We do have to death to see their. There are so many more things that we could explore, and there are so many more things as dull said that you and your guests, explore on your show a witch multiple episodes available. Now do check it out. We're we're not blow smoke. We actually listen to this show too and enjoy it one. One thing that I like we will be remiss if we don't make the point to mass boy in your point about me the entities we encounter being something we encounter by journeying and word, there's this guiding Terence Mckenna, who has said that he

believes when people are having these experiences they may be in countering something hidden in our own dna, which we still don't fully understand, so we're just going to just get up without it are listed in annex. I really do believe that I dont know what it is, but I could just feel like more inward, I go the more when I am acting on the world. It makes me just wanna be a more conscious, better person, and I feel like anything that taxi there, whether that's meditation, are just sitting if your self worth doing yoga- or you know when the second Alex are studied in safe and it's kind of in a controlled legal way, it might help people find them. Connecting with themselves and maybe each other in a higher power, and I just excited to see where that would take us all as a society like, I think, evolution to be like a really beautiful evolution and enlightened

and God what if we all came to peace with each other with you that when they be amazing, you'll have to come back on. The show happen that is to celebrate. Irene, denser action was likewise six days ago and I am trying to say positive and hopeful here, but you gotta, come on my shoulder and we can talk about woodland. Creepy shit absolutely out do. I know you got to scoot, but thanks so much for your time and that this is an absolute pleasure really flaked. Instead of a million other things, we could have talked about and there's things that we made notes on that we skipped over. But I think this was a pretty fun connected conversation going for a psychedelic and all things in between and it didn't really feel like. We jump the shark. So I'm pretty happy about this. What a wild ride! Thank you again to cash. We explored disclosure, we blurred, psychedelic, not just as medicine, but as one of the many ways that

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