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from you at those two psychic powers and government conspiracies history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn this stuff. They don't want you to know. I'm production of I hope hello. Welcome back to the show my name is met. My name is now. They call me Ben your joint, as always with our sugar producer, Paul Mission Control Deck and, most importantly, You are you you are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Coming to you, somewhat live from a dark, stormy midmorning here in Atlanta, Georgia, and One of the things to perform been thinking about in our crew is that history is a disturbing thing

right. Some things are further away than they seem. Others are much more recent than people. Governments and institutions would like to admit mean. Just I think about this. You April nineteen, ninety was more than thirty years ago and as well, recently. As the nineteen sixties, black citizens in the United States were legally prevented from voting this struggle against institutionalized discrimination, racism, oppression, it continues today and Struggle is often collectively referred to as the civil rights movement of amazing people struggling against massive systemic forces. Hell bent on me ensure the practice of the law did not measure up to the promises it made, and there is something else to this story about civil rights and the nineteen sixty it's a twist. You won't find a most history books, but first thing

first sure the facts, the ass, having just a little bit on you know what the cigarettes movement is. I think probably most people are very familiar with this, but just play a little bit of ground work in context of civil rights. Movement generally referred to a series of strategies and activities taken up by many different groups in the United States, between one thousand nine hundred and fifty four and one thousand nine hundred and sixty eight in order to and racial segregation and discrimination in the country, while also- acquiring legal recognition for the rights are already guaranteed under the constitution and again as we can see, just by turning on the news today, we still got a ways to go before those things are really and truly accomplished, but it is crazy how between one thousand nine hundred and fifty four and one thousand nine hundred and sixty eight, so much work was done and

Progress was made in a relatively short period of time and while the aims the movement centred on justice for the african american community, they also push for equal rights for people of all races, yet The astonishing, when you think about it, despite centuries of oppression through institutions and through violence more a scene generation was able to influence crucial, Legislation was able to Thirdly, shift attitudes of a prejudice culture. When this generations doing it they didn't have internet. They did have social media or any of the modern tools of communication that most people listening whose every day yeah we can't really overstate how important increase. The internet has been in so many modern uprisings from the arab spring to overseeing now, with the protests in the United States and across the world so march and proliferated by social

I social media, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook videos, you know live streams, the access to information instantly that it wasn't the case his day so as its extra impressive and just really astonishing that how much was accomplished without those tools knew. You really shows the importance of anyone who had a camera who was willing to use that camera. You know from fifty four to sixty eight people who are willing to write words and relief, them in a publication about what was happening, the struggles of the civil rights movement, then they were going up against some intense issues in just some examples of those. If you look at what is known as the Jim Crow laws that existed in a lot of southern states within the Eu S, these were laws that blatantly reinforced and propped up why

supremacy within those southern states. In particular, there is legislation that was that existed. There did things like kept schools and their public places racially segregated laws that tried to attempted and more effective in preventing black people from voting there were things like pulling taxes, literacy tests and you know think about that illiteracy test. In order for you to be able to cast your vote as a citizen of a country and by literacy test that start, the quick Red Fox jumps over the lazy brown dog or whatever. That's that's saying, hey Read this mandarin, this thing literally written Mandarin or you can vote. And honestly, even if it was more bay. Second there or something you know not obviously come we set up for someone to fail. I mean: do you know the folks that were being forced to take these tests? Didn't have access

At the same level of education that you know people of other races did so it was set up to fail. Even if you didn't push it to those egregious level. Siena vs end you know, as agreed uses, that is, there were also laws that would prevent you possibly from marrying the person that you love or that you wanted to marry. If that person was not of the same race as you yeah MESSENGER, she's right, yes and enemies? Just you know, it's Think in these days those kinds of laws, but that wasn't the only if these were and by the way these laws were struck down through the efforts of all of these people or at least to the most part they laws restricting. But it doesn't mean attitudes We changed right and it wasn't the only thing they are up against and there are euro.

Now here in twenty twenty, we ass a species are seeing these same patterns enacted again by violence against citizens right the galvanizes community. He's in organizations to push for change, I consider the case of image until fourteen year old boy, black child, whose from Chicago travel down to the town of money, Mississippi DE visit relatives. He was for simply removed from his relatives home. He was brutally beaten, use, torture, was ultimately murdered and when this case received national attention in the media, it galvanise the movement, it got people out into the streets and into their communities then there is the issue of course like to mention that school segregation specifically cases like Brown versus the Board of Education these are just a few cases, there are many many more. These are just likes,

I'm, a notable incidents that children are taught about, hopefully taught about in school today, when it mention things like the complex clan word were essentially just so in math within these power structures like police officers in the south were often also members of the crew clan and there genders would be aligned and I certainly wouldn't necessarily where there you know quickly: clan, goods while on duty, but then they, who carry out whatever may be. They didn't feel comfortable doing in their officers uniforms after hours. You know they would take the law into their own hands, and you know what time I was the show before, but watchman series on HBO really does a fantastic job of you know. It's like at the house. I fi comic book based type series. It doesn't it credible job of painting a picture of what this dynamic was like and, of course, these.

Was the these power structures that that's why are there in their power structures right there there are meant to. Mandate, the way an individual is treated a society of mandate away and intervene, in a society treat other members of their own society, view deserve white, supremacist power structures and they are older than this country. I, the white supremacist here, Wes in the time of civil rights, initially had a man of advantage, they control the media. At the time they controlled vast swathes of industry because originally they were the only people who could on the land right and who could? the businesses- and that naturally leads to them only the government in practice even ear off, even though that's not what it supposed to be on.

But if you read the legal documents found in this country and these forces opposed to the push for equality during rights movement. They did use all the levers of power at their disposal, legal and criminal. They wanted to squash the movement, and when possible they wanted to terrify, were vilify any allied non black groups that may sympathise with people seeking a quality. I mean not just talking about other, like groups that were out March. We're talking about people who are listening to the radio or what, in television at their house. They would be you know. Bombarded with headlines about about the dangers of unrest, right. It makes me think a little bit about like workers, rights struggles like with you, no union busting, and things like that, and only mention that, because it's another example of, if people in power have something to lose by some

level of organization. They will do it where they can to squash that by any if necessary, and obviously this is much more of a human rights. You know like it's a southward Billy entrenched thing it's more than just controlling money and power. There is a deep seated hatred and racism in the in power that really fuelled alot of this behaviour as well, not just the money and not just the idea of controlling you, know, workers and, in things like but the added I just imam, inherently distrustful, often of of of any anybody that has so much to lose you now by people asking for the right thing to be done. So, at an up it's it's a little easy to get disenchanted with all this kind of stuff, but it also incredibly inspiring to into the history of some of the groups and the individuals that really took this movement due to the next level and created this

in a blueprint for where we are now, at least in terms of activism, and and not accepting this kind of status quo. They are one of the first groups you could look at were called the freedom writers. It was. A group they got together on May fourth, nineteen sixty one group group of people. Varying walks of life with different races, who left Washington DC on a bus. There were headed towards New Orleans and along the way, their actions taken on the bus that sir, you know it seems very strange to talk about it today in twenty twenty, but literally changing where they were sitting on. The bus became a revolutionary act there white Freedom, writers who move to the blacks only section on that bus in black right,

she moved to the whites only section on the bus, and it was. It was something that angered. People who who knew that these meet these norms which were in place and these regulations were in place and they knew we're doing was violating the norms right, the the egg, heavily com regulations, but Lee the rules that were put forth on that particular bus in buses everywhere in in especially the south. They knew what they were doing was perfectly legal two recent Supreme Court case of several Supreme court cases, but they also knew that there would be people who would so angry that this action was being taken. They were just hoping that the governor

or their testing to see whether or not the government would respond to help them just proved that these things you know it does not matter where anybody sits on the bus, yeah yeah his again and eloquently written, line or two of legal Liese feels good right. It feels good to know that's real, But how much does it matter it matters when it is enforced? it matters when it is upheld, free riders. Your way we're mentioning some good notable individuals there there are many many many more stories were just giving were high level look and civil rights in the nineteen sixties. These people, like you, said that knew what they were doing was legal, but they did not know whether it would be enforced whether the people who were supposed to enforce the law would indeed do there. They knew their lives were on the line and they were beaten. The bus

were Europe, be were throwing stones at their tyres, were slashed more than three huh red freedom. Writers were arrested during the trip in never finished it Strip to New Orleans. Ultimately, so that's that's one group Maybe we can talk about some of the, notable individuals associated with the movement where we, chord in Atlanta, Georgia's often kind of referred to as one of the cradle of the civil rights movement. That's largely because of document with a conjecture, here. Who is a Baptist Minister and the first president of the southern leadership conference? Are the s c Elsie and considered probably the most prominent leader, we being there there there's even discussion of her where he wouldn't have considered himself a leader like he was a jumping off of work that has been done by

others as well, and that he is in our history, has sort of crowned him as being the leader of the civil rights is one to put them out there on that. There were many leaders of the civil rights movement and he was just probably the most from center one. But Doktor king was incredibly instrument: in executing non violent protests and that sort of followed the practices of Mahatma Gandhi and the idea of not meeting violence with violence and doing things like citizens and peaceful marches, and all of that, and so the most famous events that he organised where the Montgomery Bus boycott and the nineteen sixty three March on Washington, which is where he delivered, of course, is incredibly powerful. In iconic, I have a dream speech and he was.

In car. It was locked up many times and for an extended period of time when he was incarcerated for civil disobedience and then he sixty three. He wrote one of his most famous texts, which should be the letter from Birmingham jail where he included. The famous quote: injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere and then in nineteen sixty four he began to speak out against America's involvement in the Vietnam WAR and then in early nineteen sixty eight Martin Luther King Jr me. The way to Memphis Tennessee was you know you can get into the full story of this, in is probably an episode for another day. I believe we ve talked about it on the show, before the day of his assassination I know we made a video about it back in the day, but he went to members Tennessee in support of it petition workers there in the city who Their safety was at risk everyday, their work and they were being severely

repaid for the work they are doing and he went there to support them. He gave a speech on April. Third, nineteen sixty eight. He was at the Bishop, Charles Mason Temple therein Memphis, and this is where you get his mountaintop speech. I would read a quote but there s actually his words are very tightly controlled. So we probably should not include it in this, but you can look up the mountain top speech and find all the text there What would what is important to say here is that he see two at the end of that speech- signal that he was not going to make it to the end of of the struggle of the civil rights movement in all of these. Movements that essentially, he is a part of signal. That perhaps he wasn't long for this world and the next day on April. Fourth, nineteen sixty eight he was shot on the second floor

alchemy of the double rain motel therein. With this tendency, single bullet shown the face, and you know I think it's needles, here, but that assassination highly contentious in a lot of places and for very good reason. The highly contentious, is about the most diplomatic waiter. Freeze that a couple of points here, one thing. It would be a profound provable, factual, illustration of detentions and power structures of play and how they work is many of the same companies that fought against civil rights. Definitely vilified. Leaders like doktor king, especially While he was alive. And in government agencies to now they're the same institution

the very same institutions that will cherry pick, quotes and and put them up, because they want to appear to be doing the right thing, but don't forget, you know what it wasn't that long ago that those same institutions were trying to shut this person and this community and this went down, you know what I mean. The FBI broke, laws that it made multiple times with doktor king and you know that That brings me to another notable figure right elbow Molly, Elisha, boss, borders Malcolm little, better known. Today, as Malcolm X, spent ten years

and while within the prison system, he converted to the nation of Islam when he was released in nineteen fifty two, he became a spokesperson for the nation of Islam and today he's credited for increasing the group's membership from four hundred to an estimated forty thousand over just the course of a year, yeah and in many of Malcolm X. His messages were a good bit different than those of of I'm ok junior, because he didn't embrace they'll, peaceful protests thing nearly the same degree. I'm here saw violence, as is absolutely a legitimate response to violence being done on on his community. Any kind of summon up in this quote where he says if violence is wrong. In America, violence is wrong abroad. If it is wrong to be violent, defending black women and black

children and black babies and black men. Then it is wrong for America to draft us and make us violent abroad in defence of her, and if it is right for America to draft us and teach us how to violent defensive her. Then it is right for you and me to do whatever is necessary to defend our own people right here in this country. He said those words in November of nineteen sixty three during a speech city. A year later, he left the nation of Islam and converted to traditional Islam, while on a pilgrimage to Saudi Arabia, to MECCA and when he returned to the? U s he did so ideologically shifted a bit and was a little more optimistic towards the idea of a peaceful resolution to the fight for civil rights, and you can sum that up in another quote that he made in February of nineteen. Sixty four I've, no, he said it is a time for martyrs now and if I, to be one, it will be for the cause of brotherhood. That's the only thing that can save this country and unfair

Mary Twenty first, only two days after he said those words he was an York city. Ball replace hold the audible ballroom and he was about to give a speech she was preparing for that and, according to the official story. Some members of the nation of Islam, again corny the official story, shot and killed him and there you know they're, they're, a ton of dock merging and watch and books. You can read about this assassination in again same kind of deal. The official story is very contentious. They is extremely diplomatic allies. To call it highly contentious? Would I recommend the auto biography of Malcolm X, which was published in nineteen sixty five smoke MAX with Alitalia this this

book. That should be in your local school system, and you know if you, if you only want networks. There is currently in twenty twenty as recording this in June, a Sears you can watch called who killed Malcolm X and again you for many of our listers in the audience today this? This is hopefully if there was already already very well know right but it turns out that there is more to the story of civil rights. Is something a here in the? U S. Thing that doesn't get reported. In a line of school textbooks. Doesnt doesn't really get mentioned almost first, most every single concept we have just mentioned has conspiratorial aspects of its own, and some of these, like, like the death of doktor king I've, been covered in private episodes that we have done and there are tons of resources out there,

are clear. There are clear contradictions in the official story and then things that we know to be facts, and we can't make any mistake. You You mentioned that that idea about that. The speech the doktor king gave before the assassination you you can interpret. That also is saying this is bigger than one person right. This is this is bigger than mean and that's correct, because Many people have died, but this movement make no mistake. It continues and racism still shockingly apparent too anyone who bothers to explore modern statistics. But the civil rights movement Had another ally was a foreign group half around the world and they may you. Let us know if you think

they wanted to help because they wanted to at least appear to assist the struggle for equality, not as the necessarily cared about the concept of justice, but because they saw in the U S, civil rights movement, an opportunity to attack their greatest rival Russia, you see, had hatched movement all its own and we'll talk about that Roma forward from our spotter. Today's absurd, tea buy IBM for businesses around the world today is an a restart. It's a rethink. That's why they're partnering with IBM retailers are keeping their systems as millions of orders move on mine centres are using IBM Watson to manage an influx of customer questions with a sigh and solution. Is built on, the IBM cloud are helping. Doctors care for patients remotely today were rethinking how business moved forward. So, let's get to it. Let's put smart to work.

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When you look at the global context here, the big Guinea of the civil war coincides with the beginnings of what we refer to as the civil rights Movement today and the who became intertwined both in how the USSR sought to exploit racial strife how the cold war itself propelled the cause. Of civil rights forward. This is this is a fascinating story that should should be told more often as far back as nineteen twenty eight the USSR. All the stark racial inequality and divisions in the United States as an opportunity to weaken their primary rival in what we know and as the cold war today you have attracted, back is nineteen. Twenty eight, the USSR really looked upon. This divide this this

racial inequality and the struggle that it led to an apple, you need to weaken. As a nation, so initially likely they they had a plan and they had a sort of like an arrow kind of a smoke screen, so altruistic cause that they were hiding behind or at least using it. As bait. What was the notion of pushing for self determination in the with your called the black belts? In order to do this, they would recruit southern individuals of color, who would be all about these names and then a lot of this work came from something known as the common turn or the communist international which sought to spread the Communist revolution around the world and in nineteen thirty, the common turn escalated. These goals, the goals of its covert mission and decided to work towards establishing an entirely.

Separate black state in the southern United States, which would can give them like a base camp and a base of operations to spread that communist revolution to North America. Yet nor this excellent point, the USSR deployed a tactic that is still still viable today and still used today, starting from an understandable point. Lakelets let's have a recently equal society that that it is We would have a problem with that, but then take take that movement and and co locked. It begin to push it you become and a vehicle for the aims of the USSR in the cold war- and this is

This is a kind of a high level origin story, but there are notable real, concrete actions that this programme took. Yet there are things here, it just seems it seems like it's out of a comic book or something to me the actions that were taken by the USSR in this time and then some of them feel like that's just a good right thing to do, but then there's this underlying wave of you know. What will you keep saying here of what deterrent and were in by we learned about this part here from a an article in the new Yorker that was written by Giovanni Cobb in twenty eighteen. It's called the during russian propaganda interests in targeting African Americans, and if you look at Article you're gonna, hear a couple of stores are a bunch of stories of specific act, it's taken in one of those was in nineteen, thirty, two when

the soviet government invited a group of black american artist, including the poet Langston Hughes, to go to Russia and to make a move. To make a movie that could then be used as propaganda, both in early within the United States and externally to be sent out to other countries used by the Soviet Union to show how double and wrong, the United States was in it so tough because it was immediately the situation was dire into and terrible in was gonna, be used against the country as a whole and the government in particular, and you you said the magic word Matt propaganda right there is. There was something new do We know from the evidence that the motivations of the soviet government at the time were

so based on what they perceive as propaganda value, and they were based on exploiting people for the economic benefit of the USSR, no follow the money we have to again like with with this stuff, is initially happening. The nineteen thirty's are the height of when I find myself increasingly referring to is the first great depression, the loser, be union advertised itself was real slick, real slick ads we're all workers utopia. We free of all that ethnic, national and religious division. History, of course, would prove that this was not true but the propaganda work So, in addition to luring thousands of white american workers, the programme brought over african american workers as well and also sharecroppers, with the promise of the

freedom to work and live unburdened by the violent restrictions of Jim Crow, So in return, they were expected to help the Soviet Union build their cotton industry in central Asia. Several hundred individuals, Search this call and though many of eventually went back or years do you know the kicker died in imprisonment in the in the gulags because they weren't cooperating to the extent that they were Next, it is again. This whole thing is not altruistic. It's it's a tool for you know capitalizing on people's misfortune and effort, Just you know, screw over. The United States has its most opportunistic kind of just Kallas thing. I could really imagine doing

time like this in just gonna. Give you another article here to read. If you choose to do so, is from the New York I am by Jennifer Wilson in twenty seventeen titled when the heart Renaissance went to Communist Moscow and there moving conspiracies here to one particular early illuminating example comes from September nineteen. Fifty seven, the governor, our concern at the time with- and I want to make fun of them for his name, but is his name, was Orville fabulous? That's it's just your name, she deployed the National Guard, the National Guard, to keep. Nine children from integrating the central high school. There is little rock. This stand off was covered by

newspapers around the world and many of these newspapers to their credit, pointed out this massive discrepancy right, not just knock as the discrepancy between what the law says and what the people who are supposed to be the law keepers do, but they noted the discrepancy between the values America was expressing an and spreading in some cases. Forcing around the world versus how it saved at home, you know what I mean an end this. This was a great point. The Soviet, the soviet actions take advantage of this opportunity in Komsomol Sky Pravda, the newspaper of a communist youth organization in the USSR? It ran this. Story that had a lot of photographs that were actual photographs. You own, this wasn't photoshopped anything more about this conflict in they said with the headline troops advance

children. That's just one by one to give you a specific source in a specific story: that's terrible. Then, if I saw a headline I would be shocked. Trips should like it's like mean politicians, murder, old, lady, in ally. That's the equivalent Stephanie shocking or a lawyer in she's gonna. Make a reference to headlines those that are circulating today, as were recording this that are just as bad with the violence has been carried out against protesters. But, let's you know, let's just remember that that is happening now. That is our current situation. Unless jumped back to the situation, and here the profit,

the push you by the way, those just one of the story right did. This is a common occurrence. It's it's happening over and over and over again, as as other events unfold in a propaganda push led to international consequences for the United States. There were things it actually happened to us because of the reporting. In again, it's the same deal that its right to report on that but how it used then can be called into question. So, according to a legal historian, Mary Duds Yak Inessa quote here, the russian objective then was to disrupt U S international relations and undermine U S power in the world and undermine the appeal, U S, democracy to other countries, and the propaganda was working, oh yeah, because because again it started impact, the people in power, so once they were directly impact it, they started to care to diplomats.

In case you are visiting countries across the globe. U S. Diplomats noticed that they were being increasingly questions on the hypocrisy of the? U S: Lake, yes, ambassador ice your arguments about. Capitalism in about you know, democracy blight. Everybody in the world knows about your your country's record with his profound violence against people. Who want the same thing that you're saying you're going to give to us, and There's a moment that history hinges upon here. There was a tour of Latin America. Richard Nixon was there. He was the vice president time he was a president and he was he was you know. We now like a photo lop shakes. Her hands makes me NICE internationally geopolitically, but he was greeted instead with protesters, all of whom were screen

Little Rock Adam because they about this story. Yeah and Secretary of State John fostered dollars complain that the situation was killing foreign policy areas really bad business and but the effect that it was having on Asia and Africa would ultimately be worse, for us, the United States than Hungary was for the Russians Ben with your international affairs beckoned. Can you unpack that for us a little bit the one it asked. I wanted to ask you all about this, He said no, that is an actual quote from the Secretary of state. At the time it sounds like their concern is much less hey. May we should change some in a much more well. This is this making the cold war tougher for us. Yet we need to controlling this narrative a little more tightly guys there too, King of the you know, they're talking about domestic violence.

In Hungary and how it played. Essentially there they're saying everything but bad pr. It feels like that's what they were worried about. Were so then the the actual hypocrisy, but also unless we make the mistake of thinking that this this operation, the series of operations, was, entirely altruistic. I think we pointed out earlier that it was it was boss. Dont know this doctor mortal The king was the target of a cagey He campaign is well Europe. FBI, tried numerous thee to intimidate to discredit the smear to de power, to kill Martin Luther turn. Yes, yes, Jackal exactly to turn Martin Luther King, but the cagey we wanted to exploit in as well. They wanted to turn him into a political insurgent against D C and when he refused to play ball

He found himself in a terrible situation. Both the FBI and the KGB were they are trying to undermine and at the same time I can't imagine being in that situation. In again, go back and listen to our episode on co until pro, and we have other numerous episodes. We can get more information just about some of that of the FBI and other intends Agencies involvement in this vein, the civil rights movement. Will you didn't like usually, like you know, I mean this stuff- is unequivocally real these organizations are ruthless and I will stop at nothing to exploit their according quote targets: You know their assets or whatever, and they were both like kind of jockeying for Now, turning king and making him kind of like a tool,

for their ends and then, as you said, my when he wouldn't play, then he made in the power of powerful enemies on both sides, and I just you know I just seems like an absolutely rock and a hard place type situation. Just do no good. Out my worst enemy, but all of this was moving towards bigger picture kind of end game, and we're gonna talk about what that was and how things turned out after a quick word from our sponsor. If you're, not We do not try hard enough said. Former Cubs first place been marked raised. This is trickery: a new weekly pod gas that deep dies into some of the craziest attempts at deception and sports. I'm your host about Waxman and each week I'll interview key players and some of the most brazen and bizarre attempts to unravel the playing field. All in the name of women who work,

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Lee Anti Russian right, not even Anti USSR, by Anti Russian in general, While this massive propaganda conspiracy was not created once beyond, not created out of all true a steak or noble reasons. It played a huge part in the positive change that occurred in the country right in the. U s I mean in the fish, he's and sixtys the international pressure created by these propaganda campaigns Motivated- U S, politicians to push through things like the civil rights. In the Voting Rights ACT and in this area Do you know why they did that in do it, because they said hey, that's right, this the right thing to do these politicians and policymakers did this because they thought it was the issue of net general security. It was a military motivation, American,

Peters, made, refuting the soviet narrative about american racism, a national security issue, critical entailing? U S international leadership in promoting relationships with what was then called the third world. And he wasn't a small impact, either yeah we ve got this specific quotation here This is on the legal record, the? U S, literally admitted white. What you said wasn't a backdoor conversation in their Amis brief for Brown versus Board of Education, which we met and at the top of the show they said the following quote She'll discrimination has an adverse effect upon our relations with other countries. Racial discrimination has furnished grist for the car in propaganda mills and it raises doubts even among friendly nations as to the intensity of our devotion, to the democratic faith.

Her ass, a larger and pack sounds kind of fanatical. Do that in ITALY, and I ever heard it referred to as the democratic faith. That's the very cultivation in its very much saying: hey. The only reason we should maybe calm down some of the best systemic racism is because of the pr stuff the man was dug it about earlier. If you think about it. These moves hence the United States government and the system as a whole would like in an attempt to weaken, hurt deep, the power of the. U S! The end result here was that the Soviet Union improved the, I did states it made it a better place, even if it was just incremental. It was noticed oh and measurable, the positive change that their propaganda campaigns had all the? U S. So when you think about it

By attempting to weaken or destroy the United States the euro- ES or actually made it a better place than that one of the strangest most important points to take away from right: yeah, I'm Emmi INA, whatever the motivation for we talked about the pioneers of the whole thing, ass, We better do a better job because making us look bad to other countries but then whatever the reasoning behind it is it did, did some change. Does that cheap in it? I don't. I don't know what it's hard, even look at it in those terms, because any positive change in something as important as is is race. He charged laws is going, is going to be a positive net result, no matter what the people in power nations actually aren't like we're going to change the hearts and minds of more like affecting something is going to affect.

Them in their bottom line or the perception of you now the government? oh yeah and and wall, while this international pressure certainly forced the hand to some extent of you know the power structures within the United States to at least acknowledge a few things and make a few changes. It doesn't mean that a fixed everything you know if they had the international pressure was helpful, and I think it is in every instance where, where other countries, especially countries that are so closely aligned or allied with you, no place like the United States, are going to force them at least two

extent to take action, and again it doesn't mean that its office. Now, because you mean look what is happening in our world today, as were recording this on June. Fifth, two thousand twenty. You know the recent stories. There have been coming out as we were, I'm just a little peak behind the curtain when we were preparing to record this when we are writing this episode The shooting of a mud armoury had just happened, and you know look at what happened. Over just the course it was over the course of a few days. I believe yes arisen. Weeks. What was owes a week or so I don't know the exact time line but time is- is been village very calm asked and or expanded lately, depending the day than stuff like this just adds to it in terms of let what even his time but yeah it is.

Got to the point where too- and I was seeing the George Floyd story pop up- I almost was confused. I thought was referencing the other. I can't breathe story. The gentleman Who was held down for selling cigarettes in New York and then I realized what now this is brand new and that's and then everything changed, I think, is a very good point out. Think another way to look at it is you could say that nothing to change. You know right now, covert influence campaigns continue today, the USSR, gone right, debatable. We have an episode that blight more always use a tactic so long as it works. I believe you pointed out you point out that the new, worker verified this just a few years back. That's correct, just gonna call from

from the article from the new Yorker and there's the article. We measure for the enduring russian propaganda interests in targeting african americans- and here is just that from that article addresses the Senate until this committee released two reports on attempted russian interference in the twenty sixteen presidential election, which highlighted how those Fritz targeted African Americans and if you d, reading through it discusses how half of the facebook advertisements that were created by This organization called internet research agency, or I are a and these you know at least according to the article n, according to an intelligence, they were backed by the Kremlin and they were said to be influencing Americans around the twenty sixteen presidential election and what they were referencing in attempt to change the way people were thinking about that election. They were referencing race and end gang again,

whenever we run into an organisation that has like a bland beige wallpaper kind name like internet research agency or you know? What is it that the same is like people for things right eye you you have to you have to watch out. Of course. The answer is obvious: this, the guy, If, if your goal is disdain, position or, if you want to, if you want to push a large group of people in a specific way, you go with what works and the internet research agency, the F S, are the federated states of Russia really, for being honest, does this because it works and because it is true it is true that there is enormous inequalities. Is

somebody over and Saint Petersburg just had a light bulb moment and made this all up and as you, an old meme says modern problems, our modern solutions, one there are numerous- will differences between the old campaigns and the new propaganda conspiracies nowadays, your friendly secret. In correspondence on social media are likely to play both sites. By which we mean the same people that are pushing out Anti Clinton messages in twenty sixteen. At the same time, those same organizations were pushing out. Anti republican messages we're doing it on purpose. The same way that giant corporations? fan, donate equal amounts of money to different political party, is depending on who can help inasmuch as it they depends from day to day is going to be in power who can help them in which thing is actually going to sway positive change for thou. So it's like hedging your bats

there's really, no eighty reasoning behind it. Now, just the instances of corporations, living donations. In that way, you're right is too maintain their own power, no out, no matter who else is in power. In this case, it is to equally erode the trust that New american voters or american citizens have in the system that supports them, and the system that you know they pay taxes to in. That seems to be why it so effective and making everyone just feel like there's something wrong. However, in this instance, there is something wrong. So it's odd it's it's just odd to think about all of this. Every everything that is

today it is, is a strange thing to wrap your head around and get you a lot of us. Listening today are thinking about about the book foundations of geopolitics. Right this this? The euro there's a lot of debate about how relevant or irrelevant. The author is right. Now people are reading. Tea leaves here, but one of the one of the things we have, Remember here is This is literally a conspiracy. It is a technique, is a tactic and it has an aim and it is continued I just continue unabated for nearly a century the idea, this propaganda and make no mistake new regardless of where you live godless. What you believe, regardless of which social media platform is your favorite? You are the two

are also possible to say that the aims of these programmes have become even more if it was even possible, even more cynical least: the russian conspiracy of Rice movement was somewhat ideologically sound. They had flavour of of of of positive ideological spin and they wanted to create a blog stay may they wanted to empower workers, and but I still feel like a lot of ours smoke and mirrors as well, just like bade people and of supporting their cause to destabilize United States by whatever the case may be, whenever you may think about that inequality is, in theory, the enemy of the Communist Revolution and yet like democracy in the United States, communism in practice fell far short from the ideas that they set out on for communism. In theory we always say, sounds pretty great. O everyone gets a pc. Now you work hard, you you get to know your fair share

sounds great. What could go wrong? Well, I think it's, the ultimate corrupt ability of human beings that that goes wrong and that's the same. That we see with democracy sounds real great, institutions all well and good, but you can't everybody's, worse instincts as human beings and power corrupts people, and that so we see time and time again, but I do think the fascinating and actually want to think more in bright Pacheco. Who have. I worked with some some other shows and continue to work with she's, the one who turned us on to this topic was something that her son had been really into and told her a lot about, and I never heard of it and we discussed it as a team, and so we want to check it out. So thanks Lauren further for the tip Jen there certainly more to do.

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