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This is an inkling of math Frederick. No man is because vampires don't actually sleep at night, the iron armchair biologists, or is it because of something else, the loathing we talk about foreign? You know: babies, babies, babies everywhere, tend to make sound at all. Yes, they do, and I have found out that my wife sleeps right through those sound- and I do mean eyes out yeah. I do not, but I also him terrified to wear earplugs or something just in case. Something does your honor. I need to hear that sound and so at this point on this kind of living with it, you know. It's all good, those you have one of those new fangled video baby monitors, sir your stage yet now I have one: it's not a new fangled lives, clearly, a security camera that can broadcast essentially over Bluetooth. A couple of things So I'm gonna use that what it is we can watch your baby. You know what Christian Seeger guest on our show today:

yet that later maybe we can address this comment right now. No Chrissy raises legal void because any security cameras does sound like. I think your baby, the Steelers Javier Moreno look I can say the against. Mr. I was going to say his name. I don't do it if I said his name before any other is spoken his name. I don't think I'm going to ok, I have a son designs dismiss disaster. Mr Mr myths, which is a mosquito servers in Atlanta of any man, knows that up to now I get a guy. Like Mr Pesticide, then now go. We have also, as you could tell buried the lead a little bit because we You have a fourth person on the show today. Just get introduced, you life going there we're going to do it again, because we love introducing this guy. You remember him from some earlier episodes that we have done our our free.

And colleague, co host of self the blow your mind writer of numerous things, your house of works, Walmart for Christians, Agar, ah so happy to be here and this momentous occasion. I didn't realize that in the stuff data, want you to know that they were nazi vampires. Sometimes some nazi replica, not ok, nazi replica vampires. Well, I'm glad to be here to learn this deep, dark secret There's this there's another leader bearing slightly as they with you. Now, explanation: last week's episode was met, Oh, that's a very boy came back. It was a giant tighter moment it and just and just to shed a little light on that. Now is an episode recorded right before me took his leave, and it said in this way. The series that we're working on so makes sense that we are one of the last things only save where we get into the meat of this is a huge thank you to super producer, nor Browns.

For taking over and just being awesome show Have you been for basically homing everything? While I was gone from the videos to you, know the bike ass to everything? Thank you Christian for making sure the task of past of works headquarters. You know is in order. I don't know yet region, I could every single day everything's fine. Did you up? You realize it says little like an award speech right. Ok, I want you can have no academy. We also want to thank MR, MR, Mr Mr for having the signs that I notice in state in my head and came on the fog ass, so also rocks are energy drink for keeping me awake when I have to be fair little native advertising, YO yo like thing give me some free energy drinks. Please that's where the money comes from people stuff, they don't want you to know. That's right, the

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Here's a while. We were looking into that in this series with with it for an issue, Scott, Benjamin Christian. We Are they talking off air about other disturbing things related to serial killers and we found and we found what's. Worse than disturbing. We some horrifying things about serial killers, on the loose yet put it this way. So we ve also got a video about this subject, which the seemingly be lived by the time has passed. Us really will correspond yes, yet a perfect. So I go watch that video there's a little behind the scenes for you when you were very jocular. As you just heard, we went in to go shoot that episode and just could not muster humor that we normally have because as a very dark topic and it really kind of brought by the tone down the stairs

with a video video, is like that the dark sister to the spot, Kasparov gambling to me. We're gonna talk about a lot of the same subject sure today. I also think that its fascinating, though in its own way in their true crime. Real killers and especially uncut serial killers stories behind them. I think are they encapsulates something about american culture. I dont, I can't put my finger on it. They encapsulates about it at this moment in time that have perfect, have you ever read: Em Norman mailers, the executioner song before o, while yeah a long time ago, no spent, as this is great, to cry, look it's nonfiction! Actually, I'm sure he be no but somehow Billy in their show huge book, but about guy responsible for murder on death row and just great way to cap.

A kind of this particular moment in american history, and I feel the same way about some of these stories were about to tell today They're, not only American, Arthur Right, absolute We have also, we also see similar things, such as the devil and the White City right, yet another one story: welfare. The way John Wing Gacy, fundamentally alter the western perception of clowns right and probably responsible for a lot of course, core phobia. I think wherefore Serbia, so I haven't aside that'll, maybe help us out here. I have a friend who is her Staying in a clown motel in the desert, it's in Arizona for one month. What is it? motel alone seemed motel in the middle of the desert money on kick started. It is ok, he's staying there in writing about his experiences and

part of the kickstarter? The rewards was that he has to dress up like a clown everyone's, while in his room, just there I mean we ve all got that right. Yeah sure I have one last decide on this. My wife showed me a picture. Two weeks ago of one best friends who was hanging out a bar because she was moving away from it. Ok and it was like their goodbye party there, there a gentleman drinking alone at the bar and all but he wanted to talk about was the picture he had on his cell phone, though an old man? they taken. A picture of love him as a kid and John Wayne Gacy at his birthday party making blown. Oh, I remember you telling me about this or may be shared it. I don't think she may be shared idle. I dont know what it was. It was Chandler, ok, coordinate. You were with an air and he told me about it yet, while very strange and its

also strange when you consider that what we're going to examine now will be the likelihood of serial killer on cots running, we range so wearing your turn swing your neck of the woods or what will take a look at the statistics in the facts here. You ve probably had this thought before. Please German, guys, law mattress, you ever been in a crowd and thought you know. I wonder what the worst things done in this crowd is because It is true that is more difficult to get away with murder nowadays than it was you when our parents Parents were our age, but it's it's paranoia thoughts. Good news is that serial killers, as we are going to find a relatively rare birds in the great aviary of crime right, but a white so first off.

Now what is a serial killer serial killer, as defined by the FBI's crime classification manual? essentially says that they there to kill in several places. So at least three places different events and there has to be a cooling off period in between these deaths. These killings, ok, it is commonly accepted definition at so that is when the The ices hey we're going to find this crime. As this, then a generally, I go ok, FBI. You know what's up hadn't thought about until now, and I think I could bear some further research from media. Another episode is that the FBI defining the serial killer feels like a very american phenomenon ray I'm sure. It's not. I'm sure It happens and plenty of other countries, but I want how is defined and other, cultures, especially since we're going by that classification, right, yeah and the FBI often hear it called Syria.

Murder, rain or something there were. There were some closely related types of homicide that we looked at video right that you have to distinguish between yeah well right, mm murders and those are basically either that the reason why their different from serial killers is because that's when you have four or more victims, but it's in one specific terms: and location rights. Unfortunately, this is something worth familiar with recently, because we ve had kind of a span of them and then there's also spree killers, which are a little different, and the FBI refers to these as killers attend, keep killing over creative days or weeks, but their indifferent look here right, and they don't have the cooling off period. So, unlike us here killer- wooed, maybe you know, take like a month between them thereby be longer these that there isn't that kind of pattern.

Right. These people may continue killing until they are stopped literally there's another thing here that we can our defining. What makes a serial killer and then is. There is often some sort of cycle. Ethical aspect to the crime, some sort of exploration You an emotional trauma precedent some sort of ritual eyes thing that is stone is based on a priest, Justine Mental condition right so a real live in certain moments? Were people are spawned into a pathological problem with in childhood, or something like that. But that's this. This is what we have and we're woolmer loosely defining these things in the phrase serial killer for comes to his first from a book called the complete detective published in night two, fifty by going back This conversation about

serial killers and that the various wicked nature, of which I agree. Many many cultures ass the world associate soon killers with the euro. And the other, the only other big when being Jack, the ripper go right, but the thee. De the actual idea of a murderer comes one in nine thirty one in Germany too. In reference to a killer named Peter Curtain. You know I think, the media in the? U S has certainly distorted the ivy our view of wire. What a serial killer looks like what they sound like. I grant. You know how they function, what their problems are psychologically and the big things that I knows the F b I kept reiterating is that serial killer,

dont all look the same way. They do not all follow a pattern. There are so many things you have to look at when you're trying to profile. Somebody like that yet exactly. I think that that is the thing that actually scary about thinking about uncut serial killers right as the idea that in our entertaining, We almost fetish eyes the serial killer, entertainment culture right to think about like shows like Annabelle rates of the whole show is about one. Oh filer, whose profiling all these? Serial killers, it just happened- all happened around both material and right. I love that show, but it does up like that and a lot of police procedural do sort of not glorify, but crazy fantasy version of what this is like in there, and there is always an assumption that there's like one the incident like their grandma, wasn't nice to them when there has, for we know what, with him

Electors incident thing with his sister I'll do this. This ok sport, alert. Officially, I don't know if we want to do a sound to you for that or something, but he was forced. Who participate, acts of cannibalism? I look at iled, ok, I and their little do it that'll through Ray. I think that's an excellent this is one of the myths and there is this methodology about serial killers, but we have to be clear. A serial murderer doesn't necessarily have to have some physiological injury, a mere illogical injury to their brain. Like to all right. It eight can instead be a lack of the report ingredients there. There had been, of course, in others that famous triumvirate was for used earlier. That suggested, a relationship between were suggested. There were three red flag

to see someone come growing up to become a pyromaniac sexual, deviant, impossibly serial killer which were bed wedding too late age. Torturing, animals year was the third one. The torturing and is the one. I always remember at another thirty hours that oh fire our surviving. A junta odyssey christian that scary I'm not allowed to comment on their actually bite, but here's your point. We have a hard time as a society, at least in the states. RO filing what a serial killer is because they can be very different, were not looking at, were not looking at the root of a perpetrator criminal were looking at. The work that they have done will look in the crimes committed, and that makes it very very difficult to to find the source of it, which is why one of the biggest myths

bout serial killers said they get caught all the time yeah, then, and I think that too, like that's part of the method, the entertainment spread as well as right and no offense to any criminal profiles out there, but I dont think that it works like it does on tv right like we're here. They want you to get caught kind of, so they play a little volume and they all have like. A little a theme about how they do. You know like as we're about to find out that the Emma and always the same for all right but but but also just like, not so easy to kneel down exactly what kind of person this is so can narrow down the field of potential suspects right. So just just as a warning for everyone. Is was a new package. We are entering the part of the show where we're going to talk about some grisly detail. And we

Doing this we're doing this, because this is who crime, which is something that interest all this associated with this. This is also an opportunity to some light on some things that are miss for trade and also these are real monsters, is the closest thing, genuine monsters, you know and in their even there's a grateful work. Supposition or theory that report's werewolves and stuff were really these older cultures. Rag kind understand serial killers at. Why would someone do this right? So we have several examples of serial killers who are currently not apprehended, though we're part these days was sharing himself at guy got we'd like to say thanks. Thanks for sharing your savage dance moves thanks to sharing your d, I why haircut fails thanks for sharing your inner lips ink stop now

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So let's go out and get started with number one and I'm gonna throw this christian cause. I know you did a lot of research on this. Fellow dear, I am less person. He I mean that's. Another thing right is that, with its often assumed that a serial killers are male, so this picture or what is known as the New Bedford highway killer, and I chose to look deeper and one because I'm from the Boston area and knew better, it's pretty close to Boston Massachusetts when my good friends grew up there actually and I spent some time there so I had a bit of an idea of the local in my head. Winners rings. It wasn't so it wasn't just like reading TAT, is your in research. In order me like, I had an idea of what the culture was like there, so in eighteen, eighty, eight, between nine and eleven women. They dont know if all of them were victims of this particular killer. Were murdered between April in September, in New Bedford, and if you not familiar New Bedford,

Is the town were Herman Melville set Moby Dick norm, so it's seaside town in Massachusetts used to have a strong fishing culture industry and it fell in hard times so all of these bodies were dumped by the side of various highways leading outside of New Bedford. I ninety five route in forty and roots six and all these women were thought of as sex workers, and they all were thought of his having drug problems now will say like in some of the research, their appearance of these victims who disputed that and then I was telling you guys. I fear the movement are you grew up in this town said. You know I am not all that surprise. There is like a particular type of person. Who, like hangs out downtown and it they're just assume, to be involved in drugs or the sex trade, or something like that, and there just largely ignored by the rest of the community.

So he wasn't all that surprised that they were sort of label. That way and it's easy. I think fur- that that idea to certify the cracks to reign say like that, just slap I don't say, while of course that's why they got killed, right and then there were, and then it's also from the killers perspective less likely to draw attention yams. Really so everything It was really interesting about the actual finding of the book, is- is that I mean this new. Better is a fairly populated area most. These bodies were badly decayed and already exposed to animals and the elements by the time they are found and we're going back on the highway, not lake. In the far so the problem here that there is a lack of physical evidence for the police to really work with they have these, reason. They didn't really have you know. I mean that they ve been exposed for four, quite sometimes there there wasn't a lot to work with their So what went on Mars and ninety nine?

Are you making? Eighty eight, like you said Newberry. Wasn't hard times in messages. The generally acknowledged, as cannot be a little shady place, reading get Coke and heroin, and it was regarded. You know us a bit of heroin problem. There is a local clinic there at the time, estimated that it was treating at least four hundred heroin attics a dangerous so that second to Boston and stay so again later that helps paint a picture, but it also gives you an idea of sort of like why the police, I think, gravity to this idea, just like: okay, so other sex workers, in their drug attic. So that's how they're getting now right. The other problem. Here is that many of the original investigators that were involved either of retired? moved away or they like moved up there.

Thanks in Massachusetts, police force and their income in positions. Now that can't be abandoned so that they can follow upon leads on this case so like their chief now and then because of that they can't go back two decades old cases, yeah honestly like when I was looking into a sort of the broader change of uncut serial killers. I think that there is a fairly common problem with finding these guys Its later ino is that the other one I'll talk about in this episode, or a similar thing, where you know people retired moved away or they just had moved on to bigger positions and- and Fortunately, these cases and they're not forgotten there still there, but they're not being worked. I guess it's like you know from from how entertainment is turning it. It would be a cold case rain. So this is just me thinking inside the bank, s room- and I know this might be horrible, but that that fact off kind of makes me a bit suspicious of the law.

Fortunate and I'm not saying as a blanket way, law enforcement in those areas, but I dont know if in the wildest varies. If someone involves in though alone which meant that they know if they ve moved up end They are no longer involved in such things or perhaps and were able to cover up some actions, knew it yet does make sense in these allegations of potential cover. Ups right, it's something it's a troop. We see often rain different, we are again. Is it just media muddying my perception ray? I not necessarily because there are cases such as the Atlantic child murders from seventy nine eighty one which is as listers near the town where we record this show there isn't a land in aid of named Wayne Williams, who was it was convicted for murders.

Child murders were grizzly and included. Almost thirty kids. You know- and at this point there are many people believe that way. Williams was set up. Always a murderer who had something attributed in another. Destruction description could happen would be if you consider the story of Henry Lee Lucas, who is suspected the employer, my air quotations, your guys suspected of hundreds of murderers but There is also a question whether law enforcement was no goading him into confessing. Things were incentivize known to get off the boat. So this an aside, but let me we formulate something yoga on staff. To blow your mind, we didn't episode about the psychology of necrophilia and

while the USA, while it was an intense episode, but it was a really interesting to dive into the research and surprisingly, there's a ton of research out there. And you know if you want to learn more we're gonna go! Listen to that episode of Robert night talking about people having sex with that bodies, but there is in necrophilia Its understood that as a mental disorder, it's something that develops when people have the opportunity to take part in it due to their career. So there's like a good chunk of necrophilia, acts that are associated with it and only perform those acts because you know they were gonna hurt. But all or they work in a morgue or something like that they come into contact with that bodies and have the opportunity so are establishing that coming back to where we are on uncut serial killers, Dino the police, are also in a situation

in which they are often working with dead bodies. That's you know, that's that's interesting, I'm not saying police riot police are necrophilia. Their serial killers understand that if there was the potential for mental disorder, the career puts in a situation where they have the opportunity to indulge in such fantasies with itself you know that reminds me of another US to stick. I read where apparently was only conducted with men. I think apparently, male shoe store employees having higher likelihood of a foot fetish image. Maybe there are soldiers opportunism but but this we have. We have a lot of law enforcement that listens to the shoulders written into us before about corruption in the lounge hours were in in a military organisation. I think at a certain point, in others

regulation that comes with power and with opportunity in and people haven't seen the wire. I know everyone gets tired of people trying to proselytize for the wire February it does. It does provide a very good look at the internal political machinations. It's not you, it's not SARA, we say, corruption a cover up, we're not necessarily saying you know we're not saying that sky, Benjamin Lieutenant Scott. Benjamin is a police officer just so he can two new need the elderly in ambulances, but we're saying that right, that's a plot of a bad like procedure of innovation right, but it was what is my worry right, what's much more possible? Is that someone once their record to look good to affect their chances of promotion? Well yet, and so to get back to his case. Actually there there's a really good example of of of that very kind of common

every day, political, slash law enforcement, corruption that happened in this case that led to it being unsolved. So does the victims again. Let me just remind you that nine to eleven women there strangled there. Only kind of common thing in the Emma button. The research that I could find listed. Any methods of murder beyond that like whether they were strangled with a rope or with hands or through through it's not a lot listed, which it. May maybe the police never released the details. They're moving onto that information and again remember this happened a pre shorts and a time they might not have wanted to release the information we are. So anyone calling it. Wouldn't they after you have your revenge details beyond some of the very very general. Perhaps that someone, you could look exactly yeah, So ok, so their strangled there

is found nude abandoned on the side of the highway and two of the victims bodies. Ever found. So that's. Why? There's that nine to eleven thing they don't know what happened to these two particular women But there are some really fascinating leads in this case. Again it sends But this is what we know there's a guy named. De gorazde in the area who had a history of sexual assault with prostitutes specific that kind of area of arab culture, of prostitution in drug users in in Bedford, at the time However, there is no evidence to link to this case and in fact he committed whose side and ninety ninety- and, if I remember correctly, from the research one of his relative, speculated that the suicide was ugly, brought on by all the tension that was focused on him from this case. So there

There's no evidence telling him to this other than that. He just happened to be a guy, who you know around, I guess without crowd, but also was unknown sort of violent offender. They see the possible theory, and this is something that I ran by my friend, who lived in New Bedford at the time is that the killer was all a killer that was known as the Lisbon Ripper there was operating in Portugal in the nineteen nineties. The reason for this is that new, better has a very large portuguese community funds. The idea was that this guy could potentially have been flying back and forth between the continents and performing various murders. And then you know, I guess the cooling, period would be him going to a different location. I see in that one speculation as to why there and are able to get him. This is done deep one- and this is one as a little bit of corruption connected to it, the other guy.

A lawyer in the area and Kenneth Party, and he was actually indicted for the murder of one of the women that was involved. You know one of one of the victims, but his case ended up being dropped due to a lack of evidence again in both the investigators and the case and the surviving family members of the victim say that they dont think it was him. However, here's how things played out with this guy over the course of a couple years, party. The reason why he was a suspect was that he also knew some of the victims and he actually said does one of their attorneys. However, he had personal hued going on with the local district attorney. A guy named run peanut The way that I saw in several reports that I read for this episode apparently stem from the fact that their mothers were neighbors I really didn't like each other, and therefore there is this kind of family few that had gone back for a while

so run penis the district attorney. He gets a special grand jury to indict party. So that's where the indictment came down from her. When Pino loses his election as a special prosecutor. They have dropped the charges because there's no evidence LAO again, panty minute. There's no evidence does nothing can actually connected to the case there were also like a lot of reports about jurists. Issues between the state, police, local police and the feds so again, We think that we see in entertainment, crime stories Alla time right, but as far as the research for this case, that was an actual thing that held up them being able to really kneel down evidence. In this case and at this point the murderous remain unsolved. Then you in fact party, while having drug problem. Being disbarred and was even later caught shoplifting the innovative were never able to find anything in two thousand.

Seven. The police went back to his old house and dug up the front of the house because they are there might be something there. They find anything and he died. In two thousand and ten so that all the New Bedford police Massachusetts, police and the FBI had for this case. You know at least as far as we know publicly Usually you know we're saying earlier: they must have had other information that I just didn't release, but this person remains and caught whoever committed these crimes what's fascinating about that is it shows a another. It shows the possibility that I first read into with the Zodiac killings, I was vault just to go on record there, I'm not old enough and we ll leave you. Thanks. Man saw the DE one of Our positions was that the murders stopped because, while the, the suspects was incarcerated on a different charge.

And died in prison or die somewhere else as a result bright eyes, so it is, it is complete. As we know there, well obviously not party have we not you, I mean there is like a good twenty years in between the end of these murders and him passing away where, where nobody was, in the area that does. In that way, you know. Maybe there is potential evidence that could have connected into the case, but they never found it. And, let's look at another another one. That is a little bit different because this person was actually apprehended and did go to jail, but wait. That's not the end of the story lays GMO we're going to talk about Pedro, Alonso Lopez, also known as the monster of the Andes, eighty, a suspect if killing more than three hundred and fifty girl primarily in Ecuador, Colombia and Peru. Originally it

These didn't believe a story. Three hundred fifty dead children is a lot we act as he was in jail for something else, trade, and then he was talking to an officer who was Blake dressed up as an inmate. Physically, boasting about all of these girls that he had killed and he was naming off like hundred in Peru, wandered over here in Colombia hundred and Ecuador, and they If you hear a grandiose story like that, that is also why I dont think you believe him on the first account right. They didn't either until he led please to a mass grave of fifty three victims in Ecuador, all girls between nine to twelve years old and here's a strange Alonzo Lopez, though, was when he was a prisoner, wasn't his first brush with a judicial system when The villagers in Peru caught him trying to abduct children, they buried him up to his neck

Edward Coney, island and preparing to have died by at consumer until western white missionaries are prevented this horrible pay in practice and said that she would take him to the cops she drove him to the board, and let him go that was his first now is his first brush with the consequences of these the rain actions. So here's this timeframe, first ACT is sixty nine through night to eighty yourself a while he was, in prison. I was deemed too costly and complex they too have a my trial and both Colombia and Peru Superman authorities analogous of nineteen. Eighty four deport him to Colombia where who is found insane and held in a mental ward until nineteen. Ninety eight, when he released to the public. The last week.

Pedro Alonso Lopez is in two thousand to and Interpol released in advisory for his arrest. On suspicion of another another homicide and he has again primarily killed Well, children also mail. As of two thousand and fifteen the year we recorded this Lopez should be sixty seven years old if he really is alive again It sounds this guy's little bit unique because you can read purported purported interview with them, which I was unable to verify to the eight may deal standards but rain and seems pretty it. It seems the legitimate and dumb. Let us in on trying to you I'm trying to verify that stuff is well right now in eight I agree. I can't verify it, but the way the way some they're leaving.

Our written and then knowing what we already know about him. I would agree with you re, probably in the interviewer, Israel, yet absolutely, but so here's the thing that this leaves us with ease, sixty seven years old. He wouldn't Most likely is not going to be in the best of shape. Not everyone is showing Connery right, so he we. This will make us think. Maybe he's too frail right. We hope we hope. I would hope that he is dead, but part of the reason. I hope that is remembering that his victims are children and there are many there were and firms and then all the other ones, the hundreds that are suspected re, often poor, often street kids, often in rural areas, not part of mainstream society. That raids again, it's like a population that sort of the limits and ignore

right where we see the succeeding. So, let's, let's look at another case, because that that's the other folks, I have you ever seen a video yet there are numerous cases of Uncas serial killers we just picked a few years earlier We are only talking about four or five today and I think when we were looking at the general research, there were at least to send it cursory search like Johnny, thirty and cause serial killers that are vs ready, widely known, and the number of missing persons that perhaps aren't even attach to any known killer are clear they're, a crazy man of evil. They go missing every year right! Well for that this now. Again. I chose one from you know the neck of the woods that I grew up in which, as you know, I'm from message is. I went to school in New Hampshire. This is the Connecticut River, Allie serial killer. Can I get river valleys? is this border area

between western New Hampshire in Vermont, in this killer is at risk that area than eighteen, eighties and six women were killed, stab mostly in their bodies, were dumped in the woods near an area called the sugar river. The timeframe for this is much wider than in the previous case that I talked So that was one summer. This took place over ten years from nineteen. Seventy eight Eighty eight, the first bodies, actually turned up in eighty five, but they believed that he started Seventy eight based on you know like decampment decomposition in that they found at least five of the women by nineteen eighty, seven so the ammo of this particular killer was that he would find I waited women again amusing. He as a sort of just a general gender term not knowing who it is, but he would find isolated. Women usually hit her

or alone. At night, three of the victims were who says so they were traveling late night schedules because their ships, he would stand them in the throat and then repeatedly stabbed them. Ass their bodies and then took the bodies and dumped him this particular area and the woods, Sir, times he just like a black tarp sort of like kind of try to hide the bodies. A little bit Ok, so there are several victims leading up to August sixth of nineteen, eighty eight when a woman named Jean veracity, who is pregnant at the time was at a convened, store late at night in the area, the reason again. I should prefer Can this earlier? One of the reasons why I am referring to him as him is because of this particular incident. She identified her attackers mail, he attacked her, stabbed her twenty three to twenty seven times Scott, and she basically did everything she could to just you know can protect her baby

to make sure that that area of her body wasn't wasn't hit by playing dead. She was able to survive and, basically for all and then like, I think, walk to the nearest location, where I think she knew somebody local and get help girl and I think that she might have even driven with that many wounds? So there's a couple things here that are their interesting right. So she survives so we know that it's it's a male killer. I we know a little bit. About how he attacked turn blue, but he didn't take her body like the others, which is is curious to me, because you know what I said earlier: the Emma was stabbed them and you take them, bring them to the woods, dont them, but he left her there. So if she was playing dead What's he gonna come back later? Something or maybe it was because the pregnancy

Nobody knows when how? How could you ever prove that this is the same guy right exactly right and in fact there are four other cases that may be linked, but there's no proof in ending them right, so again. There's some fascinating leads in this case, but nothing new down known, as has ever been apprehended for this the first Lee? Is a guy named Michael Nick allow when he was a Vietnam veteran actually in two thousand five killed his wife and his step. Order and then himself in West Tipp Florida he had previously been linked to the case by a private investigator who had been looking his Ex wife, a woman in Michel, Ashley S. She basically in it idiot, she disappeared from the Holyoke Massachusetts area, which is kind of close to that, relatively speaking, close to that Connecticut the valley area.

When this private investigator contacted him. He said oh, I don't know where she is, but she ran off with a drug dealer and left me. To raise our two kids alone will so his ex wife missing right, he looks into the private investigator I mean, and she finds out that, while he was in the Vietnam WAR, people who were in his platoon reported that he would go Schuman hunting with a knife and he would go and basically kill civilians during the war and She believes that this is connected to this case, because there was a mills. Military style association, with the way that the victims next were cut so lives right, so that this was like again, like we're talking earlier about how, when you're in a career, that sort of pudding the position in which your coming into contact with

dead bodies are, in this case you killing people right that you know it provides the opportunity to sort of bring about this disorder. If that's what you want to call this cut this type of Syria killing so so it's possible based on this private investigators theory that if Nick allow was the one who did it, that he kind of got it. This during Vietnam and and brought it back with them to the states afterwards. The thing that is Interesting to me is that it his Emma was stabbing, remember that when he, you know had his meltdown two thousand five and killed his family and himself. He did it by shooting them so You know who knows, but is clear: This discrepancy there how Jeanne voracity that woman. I was talking about earlier, the one who is pregnant and survived. She identified him as the man who attacked

that is why much later, but she looked at, you know, photos of him and after he was, was gone and Zambia, that's the guy, so she identified as Niccolo. That's pretty strong, but waited gets weirder. Now here's work. It's crazy. Telephone, ok, guiding Gary West over is from the area and here had been paralyzed from diving accident in eighteen. Ninety seven he time thought he was dying, so he called upon his uncle. Was a former sheriffs deputy Engrafting County New Hampshire. Again hard area on his suppose. It death yeah on his death bed, He tells his uncle. He says: ok, a couple years previous to this three of my friends picked me up and they wanted to go. Partying van and I'm gonna joked about this with you

because you know being living in New Hampshire over a long period of time. That kind of thing you do, I, like you, just get into somebody van and genome gets get some get. Some drinks both some other things. Madison Fannys was a common term. When I was going to high school at their supporting a ban is the thing people do I mean go somewhere and it is not unusual yet exactly like. I dont want listeners to think like. Oh that's, weird, like just drive around and Van, we lose tinier. Let let me tell you I've, I've done it. So, I haven't done this next yeah. I guess I was, I hope so so Gary West over says. Ok, my friends pick me up. We get this ban and then they adopt a woman and they killed her dumped her body off on a back road and he said you know hidden participate, but that he was forced to be there

and again Roma reason wheelchair. So he basically said: look if you're, really bad I want to tell the truth. I want you to know about this to his uncle, but I hear you he had previously been scared to say anything because they Well, look you know we can get you any time inside you say anything we know you're an easy target, and the other that's kind of interesting about this is that private investigator, who had looked in the nickel out previously also said he waited there. It's possible that Gary West Over was used as bait, for one of you killings, because it was particularly snowy here in the middle of the snow storm on this Van Party was gone on. They placed him in it. Wheelchair this is her speculation, mind you there's no evidence for, but they placed in it wheelchair on the side of the road, so that one, the women drove by she pulled over to help him to

that what was wrong in that's when they killed her good Lord yeah, calculated so The private investigator comes into this again, though, because she says well, it's possible that that economic. Allow. Guy was one of these three friends. In that it's possible that he and West over knew each other, because Airbus veterans and they might have met through the level that from the fair hospital- and so, if that's true, and Gary West over story is true, and even if Nick allow was the killer, then that means there's two other guys out there that were accomplices or involved in these murders. Man Thirdly, police have access to the names. Of course, his uncle took this information, for it became part of the case, but sure you know no arrests have been made. As ever, recording today, right well, so

for we get a sudden statistics, we have one more case in war will walk through this one kind of quickly here this. The long island serial killer, an unidentified assailant believed to have killed anywhere from ten to seventeen or more people over the course of any plus years around ocean, parkway area timeframe here would be at least nine Ninety six too, nine, two thousand and thirteen, so what kind of victims are we talking about can a similar to view the other cases that we ve already looked at, where these are primarily sex workers or lease believed to be sex. Workers who were killed at some location then put into, in this case a burlap sack and then

along the parkway hand. That's particularly at Gill, go beach in this area that is so similar to the new Bedford Highway guy and is not lag far less not hollowed. One island is not, I mean, maybe five hours at the most by I mean I'm not saying it's the same guy, but there is also a sort of like the idea. This. This motive, the M o, could have been spread through the media in I'm innocent ninety It was when they started to happen like just about ten years after it continued to almost today I mean is closed, today's nineteen thirteen? We don't know what it ended too. Well, yeah, that's so the one that we know of go awry. Are there and there were some anomalous things there as well. There was a man of the body of a man in a toddler discovered so leave

a mechanics and you can hear every body rule roll their eyes. You can literally here eyes rolling in their sockets at her office because Quantum mechanics fantastic and vital work. Oh yes, but I think it's all so we we talk about software folks every so often something come, out about quantum mechanics and you can hear every howdy rule roll their eyes, you can literally here eyes rolling in their sockets at her office, because Quantum mechanics it's one of the most misunderstood things. I think a popular culture and profiles would be up in the top ten. They actually do here and how they do it. Here's a lot of, I think forensic work earlier, there is true. There are no it's. You So we have this. We have this look from April. With all those caveats where do my that this killer is a male is

eventually comfortable. These leones an auto its transport victims. Could have a job where he has access to burlap sacks, maybe a centre nursery. I think it's also will they could just be buying them? The big thing is they these familiar with police methods, possibly working along Foresman or having friends, maybe family members who do and there so here's another thing and also certain that well fairly certain that he buried Some of these bodies are still. Them somewhere before she dumped them. Meaning that it's possible two earlier statement about New Bedford, it's possible. They He is visiting the area seasonably, so gives us some questions right. Could it be adopting its victims. Three. I see a note here that says that these all these victims are sorry. The first for victims disappeared,

tween memorial Day and Labour day. Yes, that's almost exactly the same as in Bedford sitting Oh wow, it was very isn't there was this summer, whose very well amusing, term spread Somerset serial killer. I am just was another thing that was interesting. A couple of the couple victims were prostitute, Advertising on Craigslist were advertising their services. So again that someone who is perhaps not immediately in the area that could find someone who was in that location and meet up with them through their craigslist me up This is all that's a good I mean is disturbing either way. Let me know its funding, play armchair detective in and try to find some kind of connections, but it's also just disturbing in the fact that they're so similar and didn't happen, all that, away from one another and both are still unsolved here.

Didn't have enough far away from each other really in space or time right in the end, I think is a very good catch about the timing of the murders. So we do have some leads. There's been a lot of speculation in the media about this identity of this killer the street name for this killer b and not what you do. You, don't like it Youtube Channel, but as a Portman too, for unknown subject and they believe again is most likely a male, specifically a white male. I don't know they knew that part in his twenties the forties, clearly play with the South shore of long island, but there is an interesting case. Burn interest nautical rather by a fellow name, Doktor Scott Bonn Radium ecology. Today boy said he believes were may, have relocated or become dormant. I and will a doormat seen a second, but she does

the killer resided in New York City, a one point b, There was a series of phone calls that the killer may he may, after he. Abducted and murdered a woman named Melissa Bartholemy. He made seven phone calls using her phone over tweet period in oh nine to the sister. Two Melissa sister, and these were taunting, her saying horrible things about the victim and the full costs can be traced. The Manhattan area, oh closer. You that's one of the things I if you're in law enforcement looking to find this guy, I oh my gosh almost got him and again This sounds like something like the you'd see, unlike a tv show like the following, or something were raised at this is. This is real like that, this guy,

killed a woman sister and then called her repeatedly from her own phone is haunting so yet in these are just, for example, poles of the long out a serial killer is currently one. De I guess most recent right, but That doesn't mean that any of these perpetrators fit profile. That doesn't mean that any of them necessarily deceased. So with you, if you look at With the FBI says about it, they will say that serial killers are among us. There is no set profile, there's an inch. Thing that we ve talked about off here. I believe. Was the highway cereal killing initiative. The FBI's to map this out and wanting we talked about we're tears. Was that these

two murders of again people on the fringes of society: right prostitutes, drug attics, hitchhikers. These people are these. People are prey and when, when their fiesta, maybe this they found within five hundred cases that they could add to their database. And they started to wonder if we're truckers that were using up unity again to the excellent play made earlier to Become cereal murderers? Furthermore, if these criminals Were a hunting in packs, essentially well goes back to the then. What was a very well ever read the lame about that. For Bob. You know he said that he wasn't actively taking part of a three guys were basically

drive around Van together New Hampshire stocking women right and it's true that which is contrary I'd like to see us very contrary to our popularized idea of serial killers right or wrong there s yeah exactly and there's a there's. A conservative estimate that comes from falling John Douglas of former chief of the FBI's Elite Cereal Crimea and the author of a book called mind Hunter says that there is a conservative estimate. There are between thirty five and fifty active serial killers in the U S at any given time and that because they have no profile because they could be the person you walk past on your way from the gas pump to the cashier, because they could be one six people with you in an elevator because shut. Your mouth shut, your mouth horrifying. Well, it's

It is worth vines little alarmist too, because if a that there are one or three hundred and thirty million people in the? U S and then yeah, maybe sixty two thirty five of them. Sets a very small percentage. He also said I was a conservative estimate and it makes me think this is entirely supposition, but it makes me think if the stereotypes about serial killers are impeding handing them, because I'm sure, even now in Libya surveillance state, I'm sure, be quite possible. For someone to be no normal average person and every years. They take a two week. Vacation somewhere, they ve never been like to see the sights homeless person goes missing that over that seem stretch never go to. You know: Aruba robot Vegas again, so this is. I think that we often run into here. It has to work on all the shows really. Is I find that?

the various things that we research here. I end up with this perspective of well from our current vantage point here in twenty fifteen, we can look back on such such discovery and go. Oh, isn't it so silly that they did their stand, riders disease or this biological factor a hundred years ago or whatever. I really feel, the more we look into this- that real killer. Psychology is something that we don't call understand that, while right now and that in the future, people are gonna, look back and say, while they're really in the dark about this and then just Making lots of tv shows and movies kind of celebrating it yeah. I As I understood it, there's a score of regulation, some ways that they don't get me wrong. That some of my favorite stuff I mean, like I said earlier, like huge fan of the Handle tv, show you guys now. I love

tv show millennium with a lens henrichson earlier, that's another like serial killer profile or show, but I mean it bizarre when you think about it, how we sort of approach this thing this sort of, like our attempt as a culture to understand it in feel safe. The file I was lying in restoring we're in its also gives you tremendous feeling of relief when the bad guy One of those gets caught, yeah rain or almost gets caught just I was. Watching the following new engines all the times. Alright, alright! Well, that was nice resolution. Oh no, he's back right in exactly one thing that I want to bring out to the audience and everyone else before forget toward the The show is this. I almost The following words is: is this we know that

We live in a world of predictive data right, big data and it is possible our two in an increasingly sophisticated, a bill were pregnant, creation really of an individual's future actions based on what they're doing would it be possible? To I mean I know I'm proposing this idea. Pre crime, essentially yea you're talking about minority report and talking about something like minority, therefore drained of all ready happening. Now, it's just what you're gonna buy in the next six to twelve months as I've found out after having a baby really will have just depending on what goes on your credit cards, depending on what I happened to purchase at let's say: clover and abusing my Krueger plus card will happen on track. Surely information when I'm buying and then it sends that information to everybody,

Moreover, cells information. So, on my television bright before I canceled cable, every ad- Riyadh was divers or you know something like depression. Medication killing you- it was happening already. There was trying to understand what my life was like: depression medication. We have because by Hulu keeps telling me to go to the gym, I'm completely serious, though it if it really is trying to target no sure as it does everyone else, and when I say it I mean big data. We are, I gotta get a short sir. They gotta tell you guys, because his pervert for your audience and MRS Anecdotal and I'm not gonna name this person, I've a friend who has a phd in computer science and has done freelance work for the deity

for one of projects that he was assigned to was predictive data, basically trying to map out the probabilities. Of government employees breaking the rules. Are you tell us last on he's not allowed to tell you this I'm alive let that be visiting. Dear being based on their acts, within the network, and in how they're using you know that the computer system- they gonna go Snowden yeah, yeah, essentially, I could see thy me. I did see I've been unnecessary thing from their prospect. Oh sure, I understand completely, but it's possible yeah. It is possible. And often you're, I'm sure we'll get a lot of letters from people were saying that often the idea security is Firstly, is it

you didn't know alarmist fashion, to get people to sacrifice privacy- and I think that's, I think- that's absolutely true, but then that leads us to a philosophical quandary which is directly. Do we let fifth people go around. Killing go on the interstate, because we don't want targeted advertising, I know I know I'm here, I'm clearly. Swayed in a way. This is not is not the way that I myself believe it. I'm just clean, going to measure the ash bringing back to help achieve no bringing back but you were taken off air about. You- can type volatile christian air. Both under the whether a mere rethinking manner voices are gonna, be ass, an initial Kevin support for this podcast com. C: D, W and Cisco. Some things are more business simply can't live without electricity, wifi or the coffee maker coffee, after all powers, the people, whereas a secure wifi network, it's what connection more business to the things that powered suppliers

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What's on my mind here, got a little butter. Salt just called thing everyone's, all of us, whether this crazy seas. Change. I always seem to get. It was something around this time except me. I know I regard the guy with the baby. Is the only one? Maybe there's an immune system thing that happened just wait: a restart school. Oh, yes and then exposed to all the other elements by our children's. Only that you standing kids school, you know a monster was thinking about it I don't know what do you guys? They ok really fast nor You know how to get it. If you don't want you, but I'm really curious home schooling is another thing. Ben guys should were you at all, and should we definitely a thing

yeah. I was now and I'm the wrong person to ask, as I dont have kids and probably won't, but it's either you so well adjusted ass. I went through the fire exactly that's the way. I feel too. Ok, so I'll give you my perspective this briefly, my dollar six years old. She went. The Montessori school from like pre cage you just now and she loved it. It was greater Everyone is no Montessori sort of liquor: kids, for age groups are on the same classroom together to there's a lot of lake leadership involved where, like the older kids, will take the lead and set an example for the younger kids. It's a great way to socialize gives it make em comfortable around different situations and around different age groups cast blood at work, great feel like it. I lived its usefulness, I feel like first grade. She needs to be in public school with the resident in the fray. He now hear no more soft peddling everything you know. I think, assigned him through the firing she's doing great. She loves you love it so this year she starting this year for okay, for you

have keep me of deal with that. So here's the deal as this is what was going on in my world. While I was at home editing the video yet coming out this week in one they came out last week about you'll killers so that see that's that's a nice bow on it, though I try. I try to look at that stuff in a positive way and yeah. My positive way was: how do I make this kid? Not a serial like owner preset gonna make this kid the opposite amazed at second mix of need, and nurture a sort of which he goes to take away Asia and allow the Saudis sure yeah I mean I usually think that, based on the research absolute for all these things there, they just don't don't lock in the basement ok, that's good, don't have one of those, yet it It is theoretically plot possible, not plausible, nor ethical or humane, but it is possible, to read somewhere. Would be genetically predispose,

some sort of cereal murdering, but the Good NEWS, You is, I believe that ship sailed, perhaps kids already out of date. You silly, I would imagine our require. Have you seen him to get him out of it? I ve never met mats parents. Does he have parents, we don't know where Mcenroe. When I met you didn't you pops coming here, Wendy yeah sure those my dad. Are you sure that wasn't a nazi replica vampire lies did come here? so I just answer your question- I am, I guess I wouldn't partially home school, like every only child is, is a hung out with allowing early.

You know: ok, they're, my ever Miley aiming old by he Man VHF tapes. At least it was of the mass how you'd have moved as far as I was to send their debt. Have the power it had taught me to believe him myself out a team player, as I didn't have any bonuses and taught you out. Is that, like one of workers, no lessons at the end of every episode here, are you out of taught you off the ledge of becoming a homicide, Romania great neck skeletal when he was the least appealing character in the show you are you sure you can now use is fine, but home I wanna be skeletal. You identified with skills were no well? Ok, certain aspects of it I get like overcome or you can understand in Ohio where they come from Overall, I don't agree with their approach and I never really understood chiefly man

I saw the live action film again recital anything today it has taken us like Russia. Now just didn't under. I didn't understand it and I did not. Said how do something about it? Not being a cartoon overgrown I'll, say it in beat me if you have to know that grown ass, dull, flung grand to be walking round calling himself he man and have other People call him. She man I mean I have I ever I love nicknames, don't get me wrong, but if I meet somebody who our age and says like they call me, you know, spin daddy sorry Derek, so this get made the comedy podcast that looks at movies. Actually just didn't episode, unmasked and aid. They talk about this in it. They kind of reveal the day. I believe, there's one

Those like up behind the scenes blog posts. Was it like the secrets behind bastards the universe talking about dollar got rotten movie, while the unexpected do we think of the name he man Lincoln. What could be more absurd masculine name, you know I'll, tell you what it is, but it works and called man man, and I believe that one observed that in a grey where users can a Weirdo Tom, what's he gonna like saying, while pirate kind of rock band isn't it hyphenated, I think it's one- the biggest one, a landmark man, man, they're, probably is someone somewhere the world's their billions people here and their name, probably is men men It really does mean the same thing. It does us an English but how do we get here guys? How did we get here? Well, you know I have to talk about uncut serial killer For now I gotta get out a little birdie airbases talk about him.

Because we are going to add our. We know this episode went a little bit longer, but that's one of the main complaints forget as the people. Why longer episode? So we hope that North enjoy is the right word to use for this, but we hope that the shed some light on some of the misapprehensions people and we want to think Christian eager for coming in again like this episode, also like the comic skirt episode we did earlier. That was a man on, and you can also find me and stop the boy your mind where I podcast, with our colleagues Robert in Joe about all things weird and Science II. I guess the one I recommend the most, that sort of, if you, if you like what we talked about here, is that asylum

her failure, episode that I mentioned earlier dont discount. There are a lot of episodes you guys don't especially recently, since the three of you have been podcast at our right. I think in our listeners, ALA, yeah yeah, especially all of October. We ve been doing now Levine seemed but sort of October themed topic so, for instance, like those guys tat. The natural burials and Robert and I took a look at these psychology of final girls in slasher movies so we ve done some interesting stuff like that. Yeah, your audience would certainly be interested. I hope our chicken, If you like stuff there aren't you you'll, love, stuff, the blow your mind, oh wait before we go, there's one a big announcement which is This was our last moment with no eyes. Ok terrible. I knew it was short lived ass. It was nice while it lasted right. Wait there's more

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