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Stop they don't want you to know a production of. I hope we welcome back to the show my name is meant My name is no, they call me Ben. We are joined, as always, with our super producer, all mission control, deckhands, most import You are you you are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't want. You to know while many folks, maybe something on the beach worse belonging in their favorite. Cavern, Sis over the weekend, We are hard at work in very strange quarters of our fair metropolis of Atlantis chasing down the strange stories. Do not make it too

of mainstream news outlets. We call this strange news. We do it every week. It runs the gamut today we're going to run into something fascinates me about, The natural world we're going to run into organised crime, a bride both in Turkey and in El Salvador, and a gentleman if you're, ok with it I'd like us to start with El Salvador today? This is sort of breaking news, It's not going story. Yeah. Definitely, let's start there, but I do want to know from every one out there how many of you actually went spelunkers over the weekend, like seriously, that is such a collective, more of us should be doing, I'm hoping that at least a few of you can write to us with an experience. That's the cave, one right, they're moving, the scent be minus the bloodthirsty cannibalistic underground, humanoid dwellers, jot Judd's, and maybe the cavern systems of the

world are surprisingly unexplored. Does it's pretty dangerous to go down there and fact came Davy is the the more extreme? of those sports beget, Madame with them a big fan and key exploration, and would I would love to get I would love to get back down there soon by Euro is always like a whole to do. I especially you wanna, go the Cool party wait till the cavern closes, you gotta, hide you gotta, have all your staff and, of course, you have to be armed because of those descendants. Weird, I tell you to break into caves. That's always sorry, that's all! We should make clear for everyone, but also to be clear. That could be a sentence I mean. Who knows yet they could you know it? Maybe it depends on the outlook. Do you see yourself, as in the sand, and were descended the heads you see, the glass of your evolution, half full or half empty our story for another day today, folks vote.

there is real, is breaking news over the weekend of Fifty one year old man named, you go Ernesto sorry, oh job as a retired police officer in that country was detained earlier this. on suspicion of murdering a woman and her daughter he had pre usually been investigated for sex crimes that had not stock of for any way. You could this is for any number of reasons. Of course, the more cynical of us in the audience, we'll see corruption had to be involved right. Perhaps there was that line of blue silence and an aversion to prosecuting one of their own, but he confessed to killing these two. People as always job, as is Neighbours described in as you acquire person, implying that he

really messed with any one that he generally kept to himself and around eleven p M on May seventh, as reported by the wash imposed in the prince, said Gray, FIFA, I e twenty six year old The name Jaclyn Lemme, ran out job as his home pleading for help before the policemen allegedly killed her and her mother mere known, limos? Fifty seven and leave had given a sorry, Travis, seven grand with the? U S equivalent to take her brother to the? U s this as per the grandfather. So that's the mother and daughter who were killed.

The boys body was one of two that were found inside a septic tanks, and so far Chavez hasn't been charged in connection with those two murders, but it seems to be on the way forensic teams searched his house and they discovered at least seven pits. Can in bodies some which may have been buried as long as two years ago. As a record, the excavations are under way. Prosecutors have issued around warrants for nine other suspects on the belief that me have acted as accomplices. These suspects include other former cops and traffickers, human traffickers and former soldiers as well. This is pretty this pretty insane and it's strange that it's not making the rounds more in western news, given the breakthroughs in June

Eric research that allow us to hunt down killers than also allow us to bring some piece to the relatives of cold case victims and right now, like ours, recording this there are dozens and dozens of people in El Salvador who are one green, whether their missing relatives could be. There there remains could be in this charnel house. Had you guys heard about this at all when it here, I think it broke west over the weekend there be going on for a few days. He I popped in my news, feed and was a little confusing, as it was coinciding with a few other things. There were happening in El Salvador that just had mine here to the ground about, and I couldn't believe when actually got this full story, the one from the guardian. I think is one at least one that I'm thinking about me. I just it reminds me of some of

other instances the we ve dead before with alien uncut serial killers, where we're all of a sudden. You know in somebody's backyard like this. Just the bodies are found, and, in that connection, to police is really astounding and end tariffs, Actually, you haven't think about think about suspects like I'd Joseph James, Angelo Ripe, former security guard, former police officer, I believe the result that the problem is that, even in the course of that profession, Individuals will receive training. That can, you know, be reverse engineer to teach you how to not get caught, but this guy, the son of the chatter I'm hearing, is arguing that him that he was doing

the hits for higher, but then also add a personal love. So a couple of these were passion projects there near or this story gets holding kind of a reductive way. I think part of that is because you know people don't hear about El Salvador. All type in the western new Straight or in the. U S, it's a pretty small country them. Relations about six point: seven million. This is being tied, the media, the ongoing problem in central and South America, as well as Mexico, with what's called femme aside, the intentional murder of women or people identified as women, and there was something also happen, method muddy the waters a little bit more in Mexico. This week, a the two year old man was arrested as a suspected serial killer, So maybe maybe that's were parts of my understanding

asked, is only reading some of these stories back to back yeah that that stories messed up to the front? and the way I understand it, the killer in Mexico was not captured as part of an investigator. woman that he would later go on to kill with maybe his last victim send a to her huh and saying she was gonna. Do a quick errand at the house of the man who layer turned out to be the killer and when she didn't make it back, the guy there's a police officer went to the house asked for Hitler, lied to him said she wasn't there. He waits another day. He comes back and ask again he's gonna spidey sense. You feel like something some off three gets into. The house entered the house and he unfortunately finds the cadaver of his wife, the kitchen table summer limits have been removed, cheese she asked- and this is this- is

range because being a police officer, not only is this guy Mexico restrain the killer, he calls for back up and that's like the only way they were caught him ever. And can you imagine I I have a difficult time. Imagining be self control involved You know what I mean, oh my god. I think many less listening now. You know you after you have to seriously ask yourself Would you have that level of self control? I dont know many people who would never stop we're what's in the box situation, while garden This way the waters, but at the same time, urinal Salvador got this this other guy and it looks like sources reporting El Salvador. It looks like the story being told. The west is a little bit reductive because He did allegedly get paid to kill people. There was

a high level of organization. Apparently his passion project were involved, targeting children on social media and then murdering them so. There is a lot of Roma is designed a completely different levels, sort of how the ice. was a serial killer, but also a successful professional hitman that the news it purpose this guy job, as apparently he attempted to kill himself exempted slashes risk before he could be taken in many days, rivalry I get. He he confessed. Those two murders at this point prosecutors believed the victims, mail. Children as young as too he traversed himself is currently alive, but western forces couldn't get in touch with him or his lawyer fer a con comments, as you will have an appointed lawyer

But it looks like there is much more to this story. You know, that's that's the thing that I think well, any loss of life is a tragedy, but that's the thing that makes us one especially a bore it. There were people work in with him for a number of years, which means that there is conspiracy inherit, which means that our next question has to be. How far up? Does it go up the? How far up the chain does it go? like in true detective one of the reasons and that's a work affection. Obviously, but one of the reasons prosecutes was so unsuccessful, was because of the powerful ties that the murderers had with local and state live government and in the Detroit Affair in Belgium,

of the reasons that thirty thousand people march in the street was because they were certain that it wasn't just a single sick, individual committing these crops was a network. There were fingers on a hand and there were some powerful fingers on that hands, and this you know stories like this. Hope it doesnt become exploited. I hope it doesn't. I mean it will inevitably become some like twenty twenty will do a story or where there may be a documentary, but this is something you I think all three of us can agree. This is something that we think a lot about a lot outside of our show we ve worked on a number of true crime, shows separately and is outcome, the duration that you guys have when working on. True crime show like how to tell the story without being exploitative sure and endow data

do without the exploitative and also how to you now treat it like the dramatic piece of content that it needs to be. and also give respect everybody and not be to leg leading people on nor to false cliffhanger. A kind of aid is a delicate balance for sure, and so just a few more details, again. This story is ongoing. Our highly recommend checking out the earlier peace on the daily beast that needs that has allowed me to give some more updates. It was originally to Pittsburgh. Ultimately, they found eight separate pits and they believe there could be more than a dozen bodies in each of the pits secure, leading the investigation believes the these attacks changed. sexual violence, in that

there may have been a sack, sand, murder ring involved so again conspiracy- and this is not just people talking on some internet forum. This is these. Come from statements people like the police chief, Marie sure, urquiza cheek us. I end the. He also confirm that were finding people on social media and seeking the man in luring them with what he says was quote the american dream. As it stands now, this crime investigation is not going be, it's gonna take at least a month. There are some So many people love, so I dont want to say too much more about it other than He safe, if you or loved ones, reside in El Salvador. I'd love to hear more about how people are

wording the story and what you think is gonna happen and what what mobiles think about this and what it means for the future. This occurred In charge you will but which is about fifty miles away from Sun Salvador, so let us no conspiracy, her radio dot com. When a three three asked he data be Whitey, K, we're gonna, pause for word, flower sponsors and we'll be back with more strange news, this episode is brought to you by Bmw. You thought Bmw was just the ultimate ivy machine, but it is so much more that's right. It's also the ultimate electric driving machine to make room for the whole family machine and the ultimate design machine. That's because the ultimate can't be contained just

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ample and essentially like a parasitic fungus that infects certain creatures and causes them to act against their own best interests. There are all kinds of examples of this nature, but these fungal ones are particularly grisly because they're called freaking bodies write em. So essentially a fungus gets inside the creature being infected and grows out of their of them. their heads and aunts, for example, and it actually in the answer one of either the court. A subset believes that when we're, it causes these ants to climb up tall girl, ass and then the fruit in bodies kind of like go out further to essentially and taller and make them more easily consumed by predators who are and also, in fact it causes the propagation of these of fungi. This one is he's, got a lot of interesting to us so

We hear in Georgia are very familiar with cicadas there. Those little critters there Leave behind these fully. You know formed so skeletons on trees that are really cool- they were friend, is a mess. Worker, who is able to take one of those in Forgit into a piece of jury, is pretty cool, managed, not destroy. It can make like a wax mould out of it by it turns out that cicadas, particularly the gene is called magic. Cicada to think is actually electronic music group out of Atlantic MAGIC Cicada really applies very appropriate. In this particular story. They have a really really bizarre lifecycle. We are approaching fast. The end a life's are actually a very key moment in the life cycle of these creatures, they actually spend seventeen years underground. Approximately thirteen of the seventeen years, I believe, under

where they grow into adolescents and they emerge on mass, like from the soil. Do you know millions and millions of these things billions. Even and we are about to see that in this is what's being described, our catalogue as brood acts the x apparently just a referendum, revenue, moral, ten, but it makes it sound, really cool when we go and so like the address. The details of this particular kind of I guess class cicadas. So when they emerge they are emerging specifically to spawn to to mate female cicadas. rub their wings together in a certain way that creates a certain sound. We are that sound, very well and then male cicadas. practice by that and they mate kind of Willy nilly with these other female cicadas that are of that are making. These sounds well. This particular group of cicadas

so little different going on there, has been essentially a fungus like I was talking about called masses, poorer than is actually laced with the same chemical that you find in psychedelic, mushroom, sill assignment and it also produces. Certain compounds found in the amphetamine, calf unknown. She was in the news music. because of people doing things like eating faces and it is going generally insane on something called bath salts that was available for a brief period of time in your local. You know, we'd store or like had shopper whenever you want to call it back then. So this, in addition to the cells I've been, is pressed, in the soil and in these in this fungi and fungi infects the cicadas, the mail Cicadas I mean when they emerge alive.

What a fine passes, and essentially these in bodies start to kind of burst out of the mid section of the optimum of the cicadas It also because of the suicide, then, and because of all these other things that are a play. They're already, really me: no ready them ready to mingle. You now they're they're super by the whole purpose of their emergence as to procreate, but because of these added substances they essentially horny to the point of mania. They are so ready to me, eight and then just absolutely ravenous with that desire. I guess for going to have more fires a little bit the day they can use it. It increases their longevity. They can just go in Congo like energized me style, but here's the problem floating body that emerges in actually call is there genitals to drop off so

there really really into the idea of mating, and they do it ravenously. But it's too no end. It's like mean a thing into sticks together, something there's no purchase, doesn't go anywhere there's nothing there not only that it gets in their heads lack of a better term awaited, describe it and it cost The male cicadas, to rub their he's together, like female cicadas, severe attracting healthy males, Sakai, who then engage in Ghana coitus a cask population with these new gold and can very confused and highly Randy male cicadas, and in fact them so it's the whole thing man. It certainly has a thing political views on reading an article on Vice Malone confuse about some of the reporting cause

I don't know enough about the anatomy of these insects because its decision how the lower part of their abdomen is the part that and getting you know removed with Eve fungal fungal budding occurring in that same space, but they are to argue You know to mate or the they go through the motions of meeting I Israel's nip do the thing that was willing to me is the vices saying that this fungus is sexually. In mid. So I'm wondering if its similar castration in that the you know. I put this an insect terms, but these cells needed to actually procreate are gone, but the may be insurance. Used to the injury used to procreate is still there will. Essentially I mean the fungus is replacing the instrument used to procreate filled up the same space. It act it almost like you know it's

it's it's a stand in for the genitals. The generals fall off at them freudian body protrudes out so You know you can get Herpes without having penetrative intercourse get it just from like shedding like seeing ourselves shedding or whatever. So you it. Even if it comes in contact with the genitals, you can still get disease at eight, so we have to go through the full process of of meeting a damning sense. So that's what's happening. It's essentially gonna cause this year, absolute feeding frenzy. Not to mention that there also this going to be the largest group of these insects to emerge. One of these cycles in a long long time we're talking about trillions. the very least billions and apparent Maryland is where it's gonna be the densest, so it I saw a figure or something

one point: five million cicadas per square mile while yeah. So that's going to be a thing to behold. and elegant these creatures. There only purpose is to make they they live underground for the dirt that the majority of their lifecycle once they successfully mate Yes, in the same way that a be when it stings you at dies, they drop dead, they have fulfilled their life's mission, was create more of themselves too, create more of themselves, and that's also what this fungus wants. Sighted such an interesting story, because it's like it sets an example of like the absolute. ferocity of the kind of like the goal of nature, which is to make more of itself, like likely like a disease like cancer like anybody live, boil everything down to like the base concerns of of life is to make more of itself, even if it's something absolutely destructive like this. A fungus

then a few of you had much experience with her the lifecycle cicada, then something that we certainly here you can avoid it the outside on a summer night in Georgia, but ice was unaware of the kind of dire kind of nihilistic lifecycle of these creatures. It's interesting because the what we're talking about guess I fancy name would be periodical cicadas cause. They come out. We're talking seventeen year cycle cicadas this time around there. Also thirty year cycle cicadas a lot of my pretty this research on these of mind controlling parasites from toxic plasmas Gandhi, two quarters saps and other things alive. It said on my fascination with there

specificity evolution because they are the because mass of poorer Cicada China has specifically only infects those thirteen in seven near periodicals cicadas, which makes you wonder what else like what it does for those other years. We know it's. We know its life cycle is, is crazy, but it's. It's like. It's like those Halloween stores it away, who I think, has for the majority of Euro its life cycle. If that's the year of AL winced or its dormant, it doesn't become active. It when the cicadas move and There is a lot of these poor cicada guys are doomed booth. for they even come out as adults. It starts its like a cradle to the grave thing for real because they get infected by fungal spores as their digging into the

turn the soil surface days for the emerges adult? So I guess the important part to put out here is it's not as if emerge normal and healthy then get infected immediately. Other work all it was a because Angie Massey is described these as salt shakers of death once they get infected and there exactly fungal spores against everybody? Yes, I'll check as a death is is, is fabulous and them there's a really good from Elizabeth Barnes from Produce University in West Lafayette stuck in a life sciences, he said fungus is in the genus Massa spore affect many different species of cicada, but masses. Boracic Edina is specialised. The periodical cicada genus MAGIC Cicada like yours, Sandman, so it's really fascinating actually goes on to say this species a fungus is actually the only pathogen or predator that specializes on periodical cicadas, its life cycle lines

pretty neatly to this again as most of the time in the insect world, any given species of insight will have many organisms, the specialised on eating or infecting. That is very unusual for a whole genus of insect to have only one of these, so it's fascinating on multiple levels, not to mention the way humans potentially and engage with this issue action. There is talk of potentially eating these insects, which we know that's kind of becoming a little bit and vulgar has been for for many years, but of protein, have kind have been limited to things like chickens and pigs end cows in the west and that's largely because of no colonization stuff, whereas like a lot of indigenous people, have to have eaten in sex for you now with centuries like Grasshopper, but you're still popular in in Mexico, for example like as in the Abbey extra filling in tacos, or even like that, being like just the staple like eating Gallagher, I led a grasshopper, taco or grasshopper

a dish. So the idea is, if you eat one of these, you might have an altered state kind of his experience because it is really the same thing that is in serious, Ivan Mushrooms course. The experts are warning against doing this, because this, after all, is a path, and you don't really know what you're gonna get. But it is interesting, of course, add too to see how industrious human species is an entry yet I feel like you could, if it were so inclined, build some kind of cicada mating trap to get the horny tripping cicadas into it and then pay their yo. You ve got drug empire on your hands thinks it's a fire islands, bird cicada, He hurried away. I heard a described, also like burning man, situation for cicadas, an

another researcher name Matt Cason, whose essentially, professor of forest, pathology and psychology West Virginia University, and he he said that, worry too much about the cicadas themselves. There not in any pain. I says but he's having a good time while their infected. So I don't imagine, there's much pain, maybe a desire to listen to the grateful dead or something like tat, but no pain, walk, walk, a Walker yeah and then the device article there that you mentioned math goes on to talk about this, the of eating these, and then there is a quote: they they grab from the guardian, I'm talking to Cason again and he said: there's always a risk and eating cicadas pump filled with amphetamine. It's at that stage. One of a thousand compounds we found in the cicadas, and we all know what those other compounds are capable of doing to humans so treadmill. lay when, when looking for your foraging verb, psychedelic cicadas, yes enough

on the issue should ever be taken as medical advice. You know that don't eat cicadas, that's what we're saying. Officially, that vice article also has a link to a twenty twenty video they produced about this very thing. It was occurring in the population that came in last year and its actually and animation of what it site when the lower abdomen falls off in that fungal, Plug Tena exists. It really does the whole back in really does fall off in this plug exists just right at the top of this Acadia fascinating to in that way. I don't know how accurate it is, but I assume that it is. somewhat representative of what occurs worth looking Will you have any questions undermined we talked about it.

Saw a kind of there's a study there. There are quite a few called when I was called behavioral betrayal. How select fungal parasites enlist living insects to do their bidding and one of the researchers is named? Brian love it, and he was also quoted, and in several of these pieces to talk you managerial, how the security is an acting in its own interest. It is acting in the interests the fungus to propagate it and there was a diagram in that study. The kind of shows the lifecycle how this process happens, does happen underground, like you were saying, ban and the ones that don't get infected because of the soil wherever they were me, no brooded up that's the whole goal is to infect is many of them as possible, so the infected ones will then seek out the non infected ones as they are essentially rewired to behave like female cicadas, so keep you're out of your in Maryland area.

Really anywhere as its around fifteen states or so of the eastern seaboard and we're gonna definitely have a ton of em here, but it should be to behold. I wonder what it's gonna I mean, you know really ever see. Em is there in the trees. They do all this mating stuff in the trees. So you really just hear all that sound that see now the sound of a basically psychedelic orgy injustice me directly you parents who decided to build a giant tree house this year over the summer. I'm sorry I'm really really sorry, I just wasn't it wasn't a year for it so keep an eye. as in any are out for this absolute feeling friendly. That's gonna, go on and will take a break and be back with some more strange news sanction. Maybe ask a simple question

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negotiations of rape, drug dealing and suspicious deaths against officials close to President earth again, and that is the president of Turkey. Billowy, ok, he's a bunch of president. I mean he was prime Minister for a good long, while they are in the early two, thousands and now its president, and I think I think he wishes to see his reign. Genuine for at least a few years. You can hit that one hundred earmark for Turkey and he can be celebrated as that guy, but is a way situation going on in Turkey right now and this one organised crime boss or mean a mafia boss. As he's been, referred to in a lot of different places, he's an interesting character. We're gonna talk about him, I would caution anyone from making fun of his name his name is said: dot pair p e r, it

in English, which looks like Packer It is not that I did have a tiny, little scoff, their market let us leave it at that. I got my giggles out. Thank you for up for setting up It doesn t, though she's pm the sooner, but it is it still still. If you look at it. It's a childishly looks that way the region that out of our system, not to be confused with the other. turkish crime. Lord said at a winner We differ guy, Odette Garret, so money go through this, I mean a red you how this person said dot tat care is described, by various news outlets. Ready According to our monitor l ash monitor. He

is forty nine years old and he's been at the intersection of media politics and islamic networks for over a decade now, and media outlets, Arab NEWS describes him as a quote: ultra nationalist Turkish. a few leader now living into by so many arab Emirates and warning to all monitor again. He called gained she'll fame and twenty sixteen when he threatened to bathe in the blood of so called peace. Academics, disagree people who had signed this thing called the academics for Peace Initiative and he clear to them terrorists, and there is a criminal, the criminal case. Brought against him for those accusations in those threats, but he was acquitted and then Here is my favorite. One does again our monitor, I hope, I'm seeing that right. Maybe it's EL monitor, It's our monitor, there's a profit sir of National Security affairs at the Naval Post Graduate School in Monterrey, California,

Ryan Gingerous. Jim Garrison here here is quoted this l monitor article is saying Care has made the headlines for his activities in the last decade, but we really don't know what he really does. What are his? businesses or buoy is for that matter and is a very interesting thing I'm going through a tunnel Articles try and read more about this person. There really is almost nothing like it. someone who's overseeing kind of drug empire, some kind of weapons, running penal system, some Like one other thing, is it what organised Is he the head of that makes him a mafia quote boss there, makes him such a prominent figure, because he's been he's had photographs taken with very famous people? Public places doing public things, as he's a prominent figure of some sort, but there's

The mystery about him still sounds almost like can be tied up with the state level actors late there might be. some gun running money or some intelligence agencies, but it is really weird because, even if you're a high profile enough criminal to escape to another place lightweight when he fled, mania. I believe, even if you that hyper I'll, not well off it still rare for you'd, be visited by politicians in that category. Right here there's so much to get into with this guy and the things that he is both alleging and like the people that he just like Benson, said rubs elbows with so this is what's been happening, He has been posting multiple, our long videos on his Youtube channel. Ok, we're there. I think there are five in total videos of this kind, that he has posted thus far as were recording this

but he's been making allegations and so many high level people in Turkey, they H just astounding- we- you may ask What is the alleging? Can it really be that bad? A yes, so according to the New York Times he has accused, for he has said, that the government has been involved with the illegal seizure of a marina by a gun. An insider and then they ended up using that Marina, that they took over essentially specifically for drug trafficking, so state sponsored drugs, drug trafficking. He is accused one individual and a few other people of being associate with his individual of murdering a woman there early at least blaming them for the death of a woman who filed sexual assault complaint against a very high level alone.

Her within the sitting government, so earnings people, essentially, He even is talking about some crimes that he says he did himself where his organization carried out, but but they were done request of a high level lawmaker or politician within standing government right now, in its, including, like physical, like act physical assault of people to like hey, we need you or your your hair, to go in and take care some stuff make sure this person isn't gonna do with their planning on doing is pretty intense stuff you will remember that whole thing we talked about in twenty sixteen, if something that he said publicly, in a bay than the blood all these academics. He acknowledges that that one of the things that he was asked to do, or you know it compensated to do in some way or another. I see

we say I mean Turkey is is always in a really strange, unique position. Radio. Even before the rise of the Ottoman empire. seeing as fairly run early the bridge between the east and the West Straight Asia and Europe. Add Erdogan is very, very conscious of that idea and it's something that motivates his GEO political activities right. But So the issue is that for a number of years his Its will argue that he has been losing power. He made what some saw as a bit of a Devils bargain in twenty sixteen, when he got support from the nationalist movements, which includes some old networks of

people associated with organised crime in addition of far right nationalists? Who is trying to build this political coalition shore up domestic support the need for a guy who made no became a well known preach when he sixteen for cleaning up those networks, that had been around for a long time it seems that may be just let me say that maybe it's his opponent saying it may be turned into the monster. He was hunt You know this is possible. This is very possible. Take anything Peggy sue me carries yeah he's got aid, an automatic weapon so rifle full of whenever these truth bombs, He said in her he's as Lenin fly. And which, by the way, his videos are getting millions and millions and millions of views. I think one of them had four to five million. Now, when I last checked it. If you're an angle

speaker- and you can understand us- maybe you won't be able to understand what he sang, but you can through you to get to the subtitle rules, auto translated by Google, is clunky like really clunky, but you should be able to understand some of the statements and then you can that up with some of the reporting that's happening because for each these videos. There are stories being written about it in English that you will be able to to read in. You can get the gist to front. From those automated translations, but you should, I think, if you dig in the right places, you can find a slightly better transcript. Attempts to say I would say read it might be your friend for some of those spots and controversial. recommend arab news. What the Turkish me ass. Some really interesting right over that Almah L dash monitor how some great stuff written in there

the way there are so many allegations were not Camille. The talked about all of them. Right now been. No, I don't know if it's worth it. I think it would be probably to go through cannon saga to see the future of Turkey like what's happening right now. What do you know these allegations actually mean absent, because we can look in the nineties to It was ninety four ninety five. Ninety something was ninety six. When there was a journalist that was shot dead in their like bright in front of your house, and there is a scandal that occurred because it appears that it was done some in conjunction with state actors and organised crime, organised criminals, and then there is this car crash that occurred where again like a state.

After an organised crime member were like found in a car where there is a bad car crash and there's the links between the state in these organised criminals. It's very close we need it seems to be connected very closely and that one of the things that's, in the need and the want for change in Turkey for a long time. I, like you, said Ben. It appears that the true, information is now complete to the thing but they didn't wanna, be yeah and turkish police not to be outdone. I think just arrested, Sadat's brother Yahoo, and in what is clearly not retaliation. It's just that Suddenly had a new lead, a botched mission, to kill a journalists in peace activists twenty five years ago, I think maybe the thing bring her here

Ninety ninety six re rights in eighteen. Eighty six on Sudan makes claims that at least who investigative journalists were targeted right, we'll girl, mum too and could blew a dolly and a dolly, I believe, is the poor. sin where we're talking about now he was the one who was shot dead in front of his house, but after names just interesting to me. The after said DOT says all these things. His brother gets arrested for one of the assassination attempts that he himself described right in there. Is this there's a whole other thing? That's I think a little tabloid than anything else, but your rivalry between some high level officials and pick care, because because lawn force, officials raided one of his homes, I believe in Turkey and Pierre didn't like how it was handled cause of death for his wife. Simply children or child. They both live, there

and there were their statements made about his wife. underwear drawer, and it was this culture all taboo where mail enforcement officers went through his wife's. I guess underwear drawer rather than having a female officer. Do that, then it became big point of contention disciples interesting, but it wasn't even worth mentioning, but it's almost like just an insult re him on purpose what it feels like it. It's also serve a pr move because it makes that person appear to be weaker right in the eyes of the public. You be? Someone is on the fence about which side you might choose and then you'll say. Well, I would never let insert you know, spouse or daughter. Female relative here have some goons rifle through their stair. If I can, if I would have ejected out that what makes this guy so power,

for he can't even solve it near. Why would he run away to some other country? And let that happen as an interesting point on one jump right back to the owl, monitor really fast, just if you guys something to think about this, this made my wheels spin here. There was senior bureaucrat according to the outlet from the security establishment, who spoke to them anonymously and here's the quote the care does not need to reveal all that he knows. All he needs to do is signal what he knows rights That alone is something we ve talked about on the show a lot when there's when there are these those being put out by countries by state powers, date, actors signalling- something that may be. The general population has no idea we're talking about what they're talking about, but somebody somewhere

That also has control of some power knows exactly what their mentioning or talking about, and that's all it needs to do that. The the directive is to get that one group of people you hear those words and then they they get. It can yell at other really interesting. Yet, though, step differently right, like that's all, a trashy celebrity version of that would be win. Disgraced actor, Kevin Spacey started putting out Youtube videos that were super cryptic you know and looked like they were somehow trying to send a signal of some sort, but to whom we do not know, because the message was not intended for us an interesting fact, facto Matt. You know this Whenever I hear stories like this, my first question is always: where is this person shocking up now, who is protecting them right? This guy can get his own budget.

Action is to me as the money, the influence and the means, even in the incredibly cut throat world, sometimes literally cut throat world of organised crime, but from what I understand and he's currently making these videos from do by yeah so is seek good with the rulers of do by she rushed out mocked whom he must be. He must be with them? He must be good with somebody in Turkey because his you, too, Mabel, I was somebody in Turkey Youtube channels available everywhere, still hasn't been taken down, he has been banned. He hasn't been near. These videos haven't been removed or made private to end like I said millions of getting millions of used, though I don't know he's in with somebody or just nobody's noticed somehow, until all this reporting is coming through and will see if something occurs this week

an early gods going. What is you tube Somebody tell me about this. You do so this this person there was quoted in our monitor this, these security establishment official, whose anonymous this is the end of that quote. when mafia leaders become visible in the public eye, it's time for crucial reshuffling among the top cadre earth again, turn the tables to his own benefit with precarious words. I see that pick there is still serving. The state, has an interesting statement right. He still serving the state in some way because these allegations go back to him working directly with the government to do things that the A government body would not be able to do it or a law enforcement agency will be able to do and before anybody. gets high and mighty about it. Let us point out that the? U S, government has done

same thing with the mob at stairs just true. I just think it is very much a glass house situation. Oh, you write in with freedom fighters. Freedom fighter across countries re across the world same seem Kennedy. no weird situation and today's of her son I really looked into its own to learn more with everybody else with you till it, I think we should do it and why waits why hold up and ceremony hot lead. Snow white, you think. Let us know if you are a resident of turkey if you are a resident of El Salvador, if you like, in an area like us that may be home to US Kader invasions and were orgies. We want to hear your thoughts about these events I'm with you. I be especially interested to hear people people's thoughts on the future of Turkey over the mid to long term. I we try to make it easy to find us on the

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