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From you at those two psychic powers and government conspiracies history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn this stuff. They don't want you to know a production of I hardly Blue. Welcome back to the show my neighbors man, my name is no, they call me Ben. We are joined, as always with our Super producer Pole mission control decades, as well as with our new super producer, Alexis Jackson so drop by and say hello, help us think of a nickname when you have the chance. Most importantly, you or you you are here, and that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know, as we always Like to start the top of the week we bringing you strange news in this

segment. So many things fly under the radar. These days recur just outside the pool of Iodine street light? So many happened just off the edges of the me stream map. So again, as we said last week, this is the segment where each of us and a story that we think deserves the attention of our fellow conspiracy realist. What do we have? hey guys we have with plagues. We have history maybe rhyming, if not repeating you, how we can all kind of we gonna grab bag for you today. But the first thing we're gonna bring up here is that you know you're doing a search around four Alexis Jackson here: you're gonna, some other Alexis Jackson's. This is my submission for super producer Lex Jackson's nickname, Alexis double exe. The nurses, Jackson Desire does, I feel good. I mention double

in us or Alexis Devil exodus. Jackson double like that. That's a ton twister my friend year after that we're yeah like we're heads out there. We should also see Alexis apologies. I think we may be briefly talked about We were going to do this. We should have checked beforehand, but of course the final vote on any nicknames. Ok, get a better one. Super producer Alexis the Prof Jackson, the project. Oh ok, ok. I also want to put out there the pilots Paul's policy to remain anonymous, not speak on the show. We obviously need to offer Alexis her ability to make that choice for herself she wants to China. She is more than welcome to do so.

Yeah. I did that off the air previously, as DE guys do I have that track record, I'm just trying to get everybody to come up. Might at some point. I think we all. We all agree that that's a cool thing for the show, but no pressure. Of course, as you said, no, it is, of course, always the visuals personal choice more on that to come. For now. We each made a personal choice, speaking of painful sideways We found some stories that we thought our fellow listers would enjoy. We talked a lot bit about this off AIR Matt, you you would said we could maybe start with something you dug up. It feels like it end of days plague. I'm just can be honest with you. Just from what you have told us, we had don't give it away too much there. But let us read the headline: first, you ready! This is now this. From CNN and

headline? Is a mirror of a bunch of UK websites rose first reading about this, but I guess I liked the the way CNN put it best. A swarm of flying ants, stretched four miles over the UK and looks like rain on whether raider so really that you almost the entire thing in a headline right up front, but The imagery that it conjures really is for me the stuff of nightmares. So yeah. Living in Georgia. We we three Georgia. Boys are quite accustomed to flying insects. Hovering around us at all times, be it gnats or flies or the dreaded mosquitoes. Currently, that is what we facing? We mourn why? What most people called you know? Giant cockroaches we very charming the view as parliament

bugs yeah those adorable little palmetto bugs that are in your house and outside your house in everywhere, but this in this case talking about fairly large black flying ants and we're talking, bout, massive swarms of them to the point where there are so many the millions of flying ants show up on radar and trick they dont trick meteorologists meteor, I just have a whole host of data that they're looking at when they're. U deciding what is occurring, whether wise, but if you look at the rate our maps over UK from the past week, it genuinely looks like there were these storms popping up in several places kind, South EAST again. It is South EAST of London down in the bottom of the country there. In my

witness? It is so crazy to imagine that there will be enough insects in the sky that it would register on radar I like the guy. I know there are a lot of people who are phobic when it comes to insects, but I always liked the idea of the natural world moving on man, You know like before the extinction of passenger pigeons in the in become the United States, those guys used to block the sky and own. Apparently, from what we are learning here in the UK. This is not the first time. It's happened. Is that correct absolutely this happens on a yearly basis, not necessarily the mistaking ads for rain clouds or anything.

But where there is a yearly emergence of this specific species of flying ants in the UK and end in England and specifically there in the place where it was found this time near London, Kenton, Sussex, but it mean occurs all over the world every year in the summer months, so any time between June generally, in August, the great towards the the beginning of September there. These ants will emerge kind of young ants Bay legally and then in order to not have too much breeding, essentially within one colony they spread out. They fly to a new place, essentially to spread to create a new colony in its fascinating to me that, essentially, you ve got one big flying queen aunt and then a bunch of male ants that are all taking to the skies to go, find a new place while there in flight,

they are meeting okay. So then the queen wait another way, as you say they do not like in the end there well wow, very circus, allay it up here. Much so, and this is how it works, as is the way functions mate in the. And then they go and land somewhere else on the grounds that actually take to the ground, and then they create new colonies. The queen, this is was amazing. To me, queen. It bites her own wings off and then creates a brand new colony begins, laying eggs and a mid male ants. There are also flying around they kind of just become a new colony there, fascinating stuff. This is like the very definition of a hive, mind kind of situation right where they just know the need for a procreation, and they are communicating it whether following the queen or whatever, but you know it's that kind of like almost electrical impulse,

communication. You know with such wide ranging groups that are like so far away from the greens like a chain reaction, but do you think math? If this swarm descended on say are heard, cat all would be one of those cartoonish. Things are they'd come away, and it would just be like bones with, like in a flash. Although they dislike no rapid to shreds. I want to believe that man. I want to believe that any of that sounds very x files. In this case, I don't think the answer would be interested in. You know ripping the flesh from a creature of any sort other very much at least to the understanding of scientists it's that kind of like almost electrical impulse communication. You know with such wide, ranging groups that are like so far away from the greens like a chain reaction by

if they did, they does have a taste for love, not flash out there too busy getting on mid air, be worried about a visceral herds of cows, but but I like the imagery just the same, and there are also, if I understand, They share one important difference with twenty twenties, perhaps better known, insect swarm, the locusts swarms that have gone through that swathes of the african continent. In that this form of flying ants, the experts believe, is actually good for the ecology of the region is accurate yeah they're gonna area, the soil where they end up landing ends, gonna make it easier to unify nutrients, will be put back in the soil, essentially where they're going they're gonna provide a ton of food. For Birds and other small animals that are in the area, and even the I mean it's pretty crazy- how beneficial the ants actually will be, though it

It is super unsettling watching some of these social media videos online of these things crawling around on the sidewalks on you know in the grass, wherever they exist, because it does look like an aunt with a pair of big ol, translucent wings on it, You know in the reason why bring this as a strange news thing, it's being, written about on social media, and I have to imagine ingest, but it's been written about as just another of these signs that twenty twenty is We knew about the apocalypse essentially or that the apocalypse is nigh and twenty twenty, because there is yet another. One of these plagues of insects which you know something that was spoken about in the I've thought about how there would be plagues. They would occur legs came along. You know, with other important biblical figures, specifically plagues, that were unleashed,

direction of Pharaoh. But you know did this to me doesn't readers that reads to me as a very fast meaning biological thing that occurs on a yearly basis. One haven't. Those murder, Hornets era was all worked up about for a minute John Eminent in a little while their population relatively small did in earlier peace on this for strange news daily, their presence is disturbing right. How does this kind of insect to get across? Pacific in the first place, but they were never. Their numbers were never as great as a swarm of flying, ants or low. We would have heard a lot more about them. It's weird, though, to go back to your point, met the idea that in Sir odd story. Here is yet another sign that the world is ending in twenty twenty. I think it's so narcissistic of human

since the world is ending for someone somewhere every day and every single year there are at least a baker. Does it know? What's it called sore charismatic individuals who are convinced that this is gonna be the last year at it. In the long term, humanity is still sort of a fad, but do you think it's kind of Schuman Centric that we all We all assume that we're going to be alive when the actual end occurs. I dont think we are each is. It feel a little self aggrandizing to be like here, we're here where, at the end, things are always bad they're getting worse. I don't I don't know I would just say it does feel. Perhaps as close as you can get this year to be near the apocalypse. They feel that way at least- and I we have

some odd years of experience, but it certainly feels that way. But that's what we said in twenty twelve year did it for like the end, though, I think that was more think that was more of a hate. The signs are pointing to this now because of the mayan calendar, I don't know yeah, but that was supposed to be June 21st. So we dodged a bullet on that one unless they got it wrong again, because previously was supposed to be December, 21st, two thousand and twelve, but then you know much like a mini doomsday prophecies. Play some little king. We, Are you saying that the date for the mind in the populists was pushed back. Mr, it even knows happening August. Twenty two- they did twenty, all about it? They held off.

Barely even made our newsletter my main carefully by Miss. There must have been out that day day, but that's me, eighth. I think you're right in that does feel like we're, seeing more and more incredibly anomalies, events occurring this year. I mean the past few months have been like the longest ten years on in history, as as, as the jokes go but plate, It does make, you wonder: are we are we just a tuned to acknowledge in here these stories or to report them now or Is there really more crazy stop happening? I feel like a the things that are being reported as like this happening this year and this Screwy soon saw reveals summer will be too hot for human beings literally, but people have been saying for years

They were right then, or we just pay more attention or our things really honour precipitous path or is it a mix of both? I don't know it's absolutely a mix of both in the same way that Youtube decided this John Oliver last week tonight, segment. Conspiracy theories, speak to the scholar who talks about how we as a species, tend to want to ascribe dig events to big causes and that sort of a big part of the whole thinking buying conspiracy theories like oh, if this massive thing happen. It had to be for a reason. You know it had to be like there's some thought behind that right and innocent lives. Different, but it's like it's that I'm kind of what is it better might have syndrome? Were you keep noticing things the more you notice them? It's like you know confirmation by us we're we're like ok this year. Definitely sucks and their health to be a lot of things that we can. You know attached to some kind of cosmic plan for why things sucks, so bad

our hands, murder, horn, Edson LE finding the plague in the chinese herdsmen, but then we realise, oh, they actually find that. Like a little every year, so there's a lot things that we attach meaning to the donors essentially have any meaning that they say that we are not living in the entire illiteracy. L feels like it, but you didn't you see what I'm saying good at the idea of it, Conspiracy, no matter how terrible is in some ways infinitely more comforting Then the idea of the alternative that things are an accident No one knows: what's going on no one's in charge, the idea that our species is one big, escape room experiments. An earth is, the room were all locked in and we just can't get it together enough to get out of the room. I mean That's terrified not not only that been not only an escape from experience, but an escape room where the Thomas person is the most confident and leading you in the wrong direction. Costs that escape room experience,

years really scarred from me. I just think its appropriate you're. Absolutely right. I have learned Malta. Listeners will know that I am referring to a real thing, but you see what I'm saying, though it's like we put so much trust in the people that are the loudest voices in the room and the ones that come forth. With this confident plan and oftentimes they're, just improvising, you know there's theirs. Just kind of entropy in all of it ever was just sort of Can it till they make it, including the universe? I beat me I want know your take, I'm not gonna lie. Part of me would be darkly and ten Lee delighted if it turned out that this was this was some in that. The? U K somehow did on purpose like the queen is going. We must distract from there. I'm of Prince Andrew, really this law than you know what I mean. I love that give me give me that opera the queen. Your queen boys, bad, I love it so much again. She she made it

called the royal society of biology, which is a real thing in the United Kingdom, and she said yeah hook us up with a couple swarms We really need some cover here, literally and figurative and say they a going? I don't know how I feel guys I was reflecting just for a moment here. The thing I forgot to tell you about the whole meeting sky with diamonds thing I don't know why I just felt like it rained and felt feel good, but so the the queen at the most important of all the queen, it does her thing, then lands on the ground after being fertilized and choose your own wings often gets to work making their colony while the flying male ants, when they're up they're doing that dance. As soon as their finished mating, the mail just stay up dies was right down to the earth from whence he originally came

I'm sorry, this is I'm asking a question not being an entomologist in this being your topics. I assume you did a little extra research. They, like all, have sex with you The one queen try to yeah, that's the biological imperative, I guess of them. Role there. What a burden that queen has to bear. I mean my goodness: it's real Interesting generally, we would pull it back from a. I am a creature on making this decision of my own volition, it's more of my dna, my whatever is inside of me, you know from the past experience of my species in the species it came for me, I'm going to act in this way right, so the concept is that they, just it's just known, to do that right and again it's from our current understanding of ants and of this particular species, and it's a very human thing to do to go. They obviously don't

stand or know what they are doing there just tiny little ants, but again, sides can't prove that there is any kind of gorgeous is going on there I mean. Have you seen them in a word about it? What are you going to say rip? I'll wait, I'll wait you say: have you seen the movie answer? That movie is basically like aliens. Action manual for how to foment a revolution had arisen. Pino against Europe, your oppressors and ask a time to watch the movie antsy guy just put in that out there for everyone. If you haven't seen it to me as just tough to imagine that those male ants would take it upon themselves to do that knowing it or perhaps not knowing, but definitely if they know they're gonna die immediately. Afterwards seems like besides, they would say nope, I'm just gonna go and do in some other stuff and definitely not going to meet any time soon. I don't recall this air through centralism,

Oh armchair, murmured colleges in the crowd you may enjoy this thought experiment is conundrum here. First, this is an excellent illustration of a common pattern in the end by biological life on earth, which is that those things be identified as male as biologically male euro. Life cycles generally treat them as the disposable. Once that's. Why they're hundreds of male answer to a queen? That's why there are hundreds and thousands or mill in of young men sent to war in the human species. But I ask you this this: mere ecologists. What is the most successful life for on earth lot people want to see human, and you could say I had to pay a how you measure things, but I think there is a

Mendous Lee compelling argument to be made for the at Super colonies. They have agriculture, some species, an enormously specific adaptations, they partner with other species, they conquer and enslave other species. I mean they took all the boxes. I think ants are a strong top five contender for, successful lifeward depending on the metric, I would tend to agree. Roaches are pretty shrunk to because they can survive like a nuclear policy costs situation in math. Your whole question of like do you think if they knew they were, they would maybe just China like sneak on out of their. They knew what their fate was. Gonna, be after that maybe ritual well, that my friend is and throw for more fighting a bit. Much for my taste Sorry I had to get dad pawn in their thanks guys. I think this one's awesome in let's pause for a moment

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or or sidewalk do not use common drinking cups and common towels avoid excessive fatigue if taken ill, go to bed and send for a doctor, the above applies all two colds, bronchitis, pneumonia and tuberculosis aside a couple of little indicators in there, this very well, be a notice that we would see posted today or a recommendation from like the centre for Disease control about how to stem the tide of covert nineteen visit. Fact came out: Circa nineteen eighteen, during a another pandemic, known as the spanish flu a lot of other parallels exists between vat pandemic and the one we're going through now and the one we're gonna talk about in this story, specifically the attitude towards masks here in Georgia. For example, we even have like a lot of really tense back and forth between the gun

of our state, Brien Camp and the mayor of our city key, shall answer humans? Bottoms fell that with all of the spiking cases they were experiencing now would be a bring it to a simple was a mask mandate and be roll back to was called phase one of of quarantine, essentially, which would be closing non essential businesses. Just short of sheltering in place like we were when things were really you now starting to get real governor camp as sued mayor key, shall answer and also imposed a moratorium or some kind of in junk. And I guess, on heard speaking to the press, about these things and saying that she's overreaching her. You know her power and all that

which I guess could be true, but it's an odd thing to be so at odds with, and it was an interesting thing to see people fighting against as well. In the end, nineteen eighteen, when in the city of Denver, for example, there was a mask Mandy put in place and it caused folks to just lose their minds say that they were being they were. Their civil liberties were being threatened, saying that they should not be forced to do this. Then it was somehow political issue much the same as we're seeing it today, when you just think about this Well, it certainly something that I've been seeing on social media of it, and you know a story here. There were there's been an altercation occasion in some kind of store, because of

Ask use generally arguments that I've seen put forth are very similar to what you're describing there, nor its an affront to personal civil liberties. You know did who has who has the right to tell me that I cant do what I want to do. Assent and then the counter argument is. This is more of a commute The concern or a larger concern and deep meaning personal civil liberty ass to take a back seat to the protection of you know the larger group. I would just say I identify. I can somewhat identify with that stance if you personally feel as though you are not a threat to anyone else and you don't feel threat by anyone else that you're interacting with I can understand and why in individual my field outweigh the price

well. I'm here is that we are dealing with something that is silent. That is sometimes untraceable. I and it's not possible to even know if you are infected. You know for a certain period of time, a window there. It becomes a question of what are you willing to risk not only for yourself but for the people around you because of Malta, Lee. Wearing a mask, isn't to protect you from other people breathing. It is a protection, or the other people that you are going to be a rat. It's a gesture of goodwill to to say, like hey, I'm I were in this together and I'm gonna do my part, even if maybe it's likely and I'll be all at something Ben. I actually made a mistake when there is that none of it mistake exactly. I mention Denver, the story that I found from the business insider by Katy, canal, us from Jim third of of the sheer so really ex article has allowed

photographs of the mask kind of outcry situation in San Francisco There was this anti mask movements, it was asked Really a league and organization of phone call. The anti mask league that had a mission statement. Sanitary Spartacus, name of ads high mask league in friskers some of these headlines and they actually like gathered in churches- and they you know, is a big- was a big thing. Three shot in struggle with mask slacker, blacksmith strikes health inspector I've to enforce order, so it literally became like a subject of riots in the street. I think we're quite there yet in terms like being denied entrance, the public's cause, you're not wearing a mask, but we so haven't had a mandate that was enforceable in that same way. Ben you see an escalation of this annex. Like a more of a parallel with what we are seeing here in San Francisco and nineteen eighteen with you now folks, getting arrest

and hauled off the jail in their becoming this. Like contingent of folks, say we're not gonna stand for this kind of flagrant abuse of our civil rights. It's an interesting question, because there our social commonalities, the horrid aware of this psyche that being the human being remains very much the same as the physical human beings we see in twenty twenty, however, the software or the other structure of the societies very very different. It's it's easy to. I don't want to see cherry pick, because it's not cherry picking It's easy to see stark one to one commonalities with the nineteen eighteen, eighty one in one with you know Cove nineteen here, but biologically there for it, and the societies in which they occur are also different

The primary culprit. If there is a culprit on the human side for nineteen eighteen flu epidemic is most likely soldiers, because they were traveling internationally, far more than the average person and in our modern day society. So many so many cultures are interconnected, or were interconnected because of international travel, international trade and so on. It was easier. I four corona virus Dispread today and twenty twenty, then it was for the flu in nineteen eighteen. Fewer people honestly were true. When we know that there will be an escalation, it will probably not her throughout all parts of the globe, because, frankly, some parts of the world did much better job, combating this infection. However, you know, if you talk to me, his story and they're gonna say: if yet

put a number on the death toll in the US. For the nineteen eighteen flu, you would say, six thousand five hundred thousand people fall part died between one thousand nine hundred and eighteen nineteen, two thousand and fifty people died globally. It seems like a high number, but there were waves of infection right, just like the black death. It did not happen it one wave, so Euro going gonna take a while for a vaccine to be the Wait, however, that works. That means more people are gonna die, that's just a fax, unfortunately, a lot of people who die globally are going to be in the United States because for a number of reasons,

u S is still very much in the grip of the pandemic, and some other countries have gotten to the other side of at least the first wave. So I would say, without predicting the future, which is kind of a you know: untrustworthy gig, it's not out or the it's, not our ballpark for covert nineteen or the krona virus, pandemics, and be more dangerous than the spanish flu just to continue along. I know I just know that there's a lot of public outcry about mask use, because I think some people view it as the beginning of what they would consider to be a slippery. Look. If you look at, you know, brightly or not or incorrectly I would say, but if you look at places like France, like the their country of France, as of today,

a the was July twentieth Monday that were recording this in France, the government can fine any individual who was not wearing a face mask or a cup of some sort, while in a public indoor setting, they can find them a hundred and fifty Four dollars, you Wes or one under thirty five euros, just for not wearing a mask right to an officer, or someone can stop you and you can be find that much money for not complying. I think people in the. U S see that kind of act, and being taken as something that will eventually occur in the United States in the stance becomes very much if they can do that. Then what else can they do? Or what else will they do London generally, I see that linked to a fear that there's something else coming down the road that this is a stepping stone essentially

a lot of times in someone listening. Please correct me if I'm, if I'm wrong here, but I see it then being linked to things as possibly the vaccination being a some form of government control to do something nefarious to the people who are going to have to get this vaccine. And if you don't get it, you know he would be forced. It would be compulsory to get this vaccine if you dont get it you'd either get a fine or some other bad thing. It would happen to you sure, but I mean I understand that the fact that has something to do with our bodies that even a mask, as you know, it's not like your being shot up with some kind of you now questionable medication, which you know we know that a vaccine there obviously has to be in everything by we know plenty of medications that give added by the FDA

come on, then we find out. There's all kinds of unexpected side effects will understand that a mask. Isn't quite that. There's something it's on your body, but you know what about seatbelts in ruins: belts became mandatory people freaked out in the same way and we're like cutting them out of their cars. You know as protest and those people look like assholes now. You know I mean C Sir Burgundy, no one's really aligning see although it is shocking to me that that school buses dont have them, but that's the discussion. Another day. You I mean I like how is it an issue like? How is this wise, The hill worth dying on you now when at sea like it's just a matter of dispute, that you give a crap and one alike. Do your part so dynamics. Social dynamics are, pretty compelling here, especially if we look a group psychology, one thing that large groups of people tend to do.

Is to rally around something that feels like a direct action that feels like a definitive verb. We have done something and often that's an escape hatch for existing. Societies or fears based on much more complicated situations. So you know this seat belly example The issue with that is that there is a lot of there's a lot of purposeful and somebody. Hideous lobbying that goes in, I think of gun episode of car stuff about it. Similar to jaywalking how jaywalking became a crime. It was big Otto pushing that, because, They were saving money by not having to manufacture additional seatbelts They are also very well aware of these slippery slope that existed there, because now the! U S and much of the I mean tired you, the western world

Otto Manufacturers there have to comply with numerous top down. Government ordered safety measures, right? And people generally now agree that it's a good thing, but also a ton of people are going to bother with a seat belt. You might not be aware of this alleged groping Georgia before time there was a law that said people didn't have to wear seat belts in certain vehicles, notably pickup trucks. That is entirely because there was one old school politician who drove a pickup truck and he just said seatbelts be damn you had no sites. Had nothing but his own personal identity and it also kind of functioned as well. Ok, so this well thing was lobbying right. I think the mask thing is the the idea of wearing you're not wearing a mask for people who don't want aware mask the health?

concerns don't really factor into the conversation, its Madonna me. It's a metallic protest there with this. This is a symbol right. This is a symbol of kind of which you have mentioned earlier that this precedent right. We're gonna cut this off. We're gonna nip this off the bud because, what's next will get the mark of the beast will all have or if I d will have to have left a pass, some sort of test to be allowed to have children of three things the feminist, say episode for different day. I have some opinions. There are facts, but I have some opinions, but do you see what I'm saying here? A mask is something to say no to because it's much easier to feel like you, ve done something it's much easier to feel it. You ve taken an action and that similar again. The hardware is the same: the human species was doing this during the flu pandemic. It's just eight

What easier to do something small and simple like that consequences be damned then it is too Look at the underlying complicated psychological environment in which these fears arise. Get it in your eyes. You completely spot I'm than I do think that its further complicated by leadership that makes it a political issue like implying that wearing a mask, even even if it's not directly hey, there's an application by refusing to wear a mask that it makes you week in some way, and you know that people go on to that and turn it into an act. Approach words are gonna want to be seen as weak or beginners dogma. Conspiracy theories, their people, are think the corona viruses a hoax,

zone even real and thereby putting on a mask your acknowledging that its real or yours, somehow signing up for this fake news. Narrative of this thing. You know I mean it's absolutely the perspective. That's out there, it's a great way to crack down on protest. This is this is off. The map is some of the mainstream stuff, but not so much in the U S, but in other countries the presence of the pandemic has been used as as well reason or excuse to crack down on legitimate protests, and so I think it's very use very efficacious tool for opportunist began. You said at the beginning of presenting this story, nor the maybe, maybe there's a key change in the great song of humanity, but the progression tends to be

the same, and we know the science? Is there in countries or parts of the world, specifically the Asia Pacific Region, where wary mass to protect others has already seen as a normal day to day thing they did a great job, Combating this. You know what I mean ever much closer to the EP, a centre of the infection- eight listen guys. I agree Ben I've seen those and it's very nice to actually see that it is possible to clamp down on this thing. A couple fairly easy small steps. If you can get everyone to do it. That seems to be the hard part. What I would say to everyone out there listening. That is already upset with us for talking about this. If you need to go, get food and absolutely refuse to wear masks, and you happen to be in the South EAST. I have some good news for you you can go into any Winn Dixie any. Let's see what else do they have here by low Harvey

Supermarket or Friskily MOSS, and you do. Have to wear a mask: what about Piggly wiggly I'm not sure about that. I just blankly rigorous creepy Togo, it's our animal envy. Its word and levying a grocery store represent a great but those stores or requiring their employees to wear masks, but they are not requiring customers to of Kroger, which I believe probably most of our shopping place of choice, is requiring, as is, target and publics. Walmart, even so, whether that's more of a pr move or were you now? You can certainly classified as that is definitely become this, interesting line in the sand and even to say yet now a girl, store with the word Dixie in the name, is falling on that particular side of the argument I dont think is an accident. You know the question of private business. It's it's up to those businesses,

barring a law. It is up to those businesses to kind of do what they want technically, because they are private business if they wanted to, they could see every customer hast aware. Whatever the hell, they randomly decided for thirty five on a Friday, it doesn't matter they could like we're. Only letting people in if they wear purple Jean goes. Some might say this is short sighted and may have an effect on our bottom line. But you know we, Here at illumination, global, unlimited groceries, supply CO have thought about it and purple dingoes or what stand for re organizations. Are they gonna know? You really want to know first, while those are hard to find,

So, even like you now that barrier of air of injury, it's gotta be high enough. So you're feeling filtering out like the just fair weather me now, shoppers rhyme, yeah again it's just its symbolically. The thing with symbols they can function is dug whistles. The the real world efficacy of any kind of symbolic act is at least partially defined by it's sort of pr angle as much of it as its real real effects. But if you are against mask personally your I wanna hear I wouldn't you reasons why you know. I want to hear the compelling reasons why and I'm not your life. I think that in this show, Weave died We're in this segment at least, we will definitely argued in favour of wearing wary matter in just like washing your hands or something big cars,

from what we can tell the sciences there. And the science exist independent of any one particular pandemic. This is just as essential disease sites as a matter like what kind of cooties or in the air it doesn't matter. What? What sort of other airborne, bubonic, plague, etc. Is going through in some sort of miasma in your local grocery store. The mask seem to work and facts do not have opinions, as, as is often said, by very, very smart people, very, very good people, very, very dumb people, very, very evil people. Everyone agrees, facts don't have opinions the massacre effect, but it's true. I did lasting just there's a lot of fear about children being forced to wear, masks, spin and no I've seen floating around social media. I just want to point out here that there was a doctor,

Dublin Ireland that ran a test where he pulled himself up to an ox. Donation machinery soon he looked himself up to machine that monitors is oxygen, saturation levels and he tested after putting on one mass than two three four five and six masks just to show that wearing a mask, doesn't prevent Doesn't lower the oxygen levels in your blood stream, which is been a big fear for a lot of parents out there because of some of these social media posts? If you are a parent- and you are thinking that this is a major issue for your child- just know that there are people out there and has been is saying: the song a show that that doesn't it isn't necessarily what you're afraid of and make sure you check your sources as we always to do in my last and final thing. Is that its given us new accessory people there, in the fashion of the love and see in all the variations in colors and types

designs of masks and certainly a thing. I never expected to hear some. Complementing my daughter and saying nice mask. I, like your mask, The weird thing they hear, but here we are the human brain, is pretty good, normalizing, weird stuff pretty quickly and will return for one last piece of strange news. After a word from our sponsor. This podcast is brought to you by citizens Bank that amazing kid you raised is ready for college and Europe dad dance, proud, Mama Bear hugged, proud. The whole block, is throwing you a party proud Citizens Bank is proud to part of your students journey from orientation to graduation. Looking for student loan options and guidance, our experts are ready, we're going to college

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old, are available now on peacock the new streaming service from NBC Universal sign up at Peacock tv dot, com to stream. Now we're back Super producer, Alexis overreacting steamed, as I think we might like a little but logger. Today there is one last story. I feel a little bit like a character in all those fairytale. Tropes troops emerges very end going. I have a gift for this. The british. This is strange. This is developing. Now there may be more facts. It emerge Have a murder mystery. It is not going Mystery is a developing story. The facts may change recently and tragically Was a murder in North Brunswick Township in New Jersey,

someone posing as a Fedex driver went to a home in North Brunswick about five pm. They knocked on the door, a man answered and the federal the person dressed as a FED ex driver attack them shot them with a firearm, the child attempted to intervene and he was murdered. Tragic loss of life- young man, you know, had came from a very well to do family, so he he was all set to have a fantastic Eric and dream lifestyle, but the story gets stranger, fortunately, here in the U S, a homicide, Firearm is not an anomalous or even said. Times not even a noteworthy thing for a lot of new

organisations this stories different because the man in question mark and n d e r l and his son Daniel their part of a legal family mark is a defence attorney. His wife is one Esther solace. Esther Solace is a federal judge and she has been for a long time. She has recently been assigned to oversee a lawsuit against Deutsche Bank, which some awful listeners me recognize from our earlier work on big banks and financial and criminal shenanigans that they pull this law suit. In particular, concerns the handling of financial matters related to the late Jeffrey Epstein. So, as you can imagine,

the people been following, the delaying Maxwell story are tuned to this? It's a very strange shit. You know the guy was dresses affair. Extrovert did not have a Fedex vehicle, was wearing a face covering and came there with a free meditated, predetermined plan to murder the family Currently, authorities are saying the motive for the shooting is unclear. The name of the suspect has not been revealed. The latest update I had going into recording today is that the body of the suspect was found. The body of this aspect has been found shortly after we record this You said, met earlier on July twentieth. I he was discovered with what authorities you're describing as an apparently self inflicted gunshot wound outside of vehicle in Libya. New York is manufactured. Real time. Is this just got an update from principally following the story, the suspect is confirmed to be

wine Roy DEN Colander, seventy two years old. He is an attorney who had a case before solace in twenty fifty, This is according to anonymous sources. In law enforcement, sketchy stuff. We ve got an assassin. We who attempted murder apparently doesn't get the person he was trying to kill and then takes his own life and its connected with financial crimes. Tied to the Epstein case, as we record right now. Glean Maxwell is, I just checked this before he went air still alive right hasn't caught cold, or a suicide attempts yet. But I wanted to bring this to you guys and ask what you think you I mean judges get death threats, that's just part of the job, but do you think this was just addressed? The old

in the room. Do you think this is in any way related to the ongoing Epstein scandal? The people we got away, I mean if it was, it would be a warning right because you just because you kill a federal judge, its working on a case doesn't mean another judge doesn't get assigned to it. If she truly solace, judge solid, truly was the target here and it wasn't mark Andrew older, the husband, because you know he was a criminal offence attorney and that's another very common thing is to have a defence tourney that some person felt they got it wrong, where they didn't defend them properly, they would be a target, possibly of someone who is and who had bad intentions or felt as though they are wrong. It's a tough one, because I don't think we have enough information yet to determine what actually happened. This is Billy, but I'm maybe I'm a little sceptical even that they got the right person may

maybe they actually did for sure. I just don't know any time a suspect ends up being dead by the time they are found. You know and identified it always we want to wait to get more information, but with a criminal case like that, if you found the killer, essential Eve, you have made the determination that the killer has been found and they are dead. There's not much else to do in the investigation right. I certainly red meat for conspiracy speculation right in the same way that the untimely death of the gentlemen. That was a slam dunk, supposedly for those anthrax. Male attempts back right around the nine eleven took place. The I believe you are out on that one man, but but then- and I did that one can always very sketch when someone I mean, on the one hand, there is the implication of guilt when someone takes their own life when their being,

sued, but then, on the other hand, you know there certainly could be where things have happened than someone being taken out and made to look like a suicide attempts, so that people are asking questions in a like, you said map, not enough information. You know which one! This is, but certainly a little suspicious. It's strange, because if you look Roy didn't Hollanders be repeatedly described as equal anti feminist lawyer, so he had to be completely fair. He high political stances that you is widely published on in a period on who is what was called admins right activist. It will it still. It feels like there's more people's political views are their own. It feels like there's more to the story here, because most activists are not dressing up like delivery service

workers and shooting people, and especially if this guy was an attorney attorneys, don't typically pursue vengeance in that fashion. Now there is some truth to the dirty, the dirty stories, nerve and legends. Turning my hire someone to kill someone really more, you know they're Mo Rod. Putting their physical finger on the trigger it's interesting, because if we look into this- and we start a guy's, a permit me to play Charlie day Pepe Sylvia here the week. Prior to this another attorney associated with the men sprites movement, a guy named mark angle, Lucy- was killed by a delivery man or by someone dressed as a delivery man out. So we see website, I know we don't have enough information blood theirs thing here, maybe even the Epstein connection is IRAN.

Harry, I'm not sure, but there's too much, there's too screwy about this right now, which I know is not the most articulate I've ever been on the show, but the thing is He also had the sky. Roy DEN Holland also had some stances on Russia, there's not a mug shot or evidence of this be part of. It is just the fault of war as new things emerge, but does seem very strange Fox news the way was originally sensory, all mention of the bank or of Epstein, and maybe that's because they didn't want to have too much sensationalism but I don't know. I don't know Europe more and more. On the Epstein case, a lot of people have written asking for further updates, especially with the Gawayne Maxwell arrest. It has intelligence agency fingerprints on it. The idea of compromising people like that, the various sources that of

through anonymously so far saying that Maxwell does possess photographic ant video evidence of some pretty serious crimes. I don't know what you guys think tell Giants agency I mean compliment is a thing the CIA did it. The KGB is done, it well I dont know really go. You have also not forget that you know the press. The United States has some pretty long standing ties to Deutsche Bank as well, and it is a notorious. Now I mean it's on the surface, the respectable operation. By This certainly is in a good look, the lawsuit in general and its relationship with it

like epstein- so that's a little bit adjusting to there is article- is came out in the financial Times Data Banks ties Donald Trump dissected just came out in May by Tom Braithwaite. So if your interested want to find out more bubbles connections, given what essentially at several points, the bank gave dot tromp incredibly extraordinarily favourable loan terms and did not follow up on recouping those loans. In a way that a normal business would do to put it in perspective? The vast majority people listening to this episode today? if you try to handle alone. The way that that bank and I visual nodded euro. Not just keep opprobrium on trumped. There were other high net value. People vips that the bank was doing this with dangers, have a different system.

You, were trying to do what some of these vips or doing loan wise you would be arrested. You'll be arrested, you'd be bankrupted, you go to court it just the rules are not the same. And any no end in Trump. We has written about this as well, where he defends the bank is being you. I was the best bag. It was like him of the gold standard. Is the germ you're dealing with their new now known for their progress in dealing with money and finance and all that stuff However, the Federal Reserve, at least according to article in the financial times, regards Deutsche Bank as a badly. Mrs quote, the article. I cited a badly managed lender with weak money laundering, controls which makes sense, stuttering that we do see their name pop up quite often in money laundering type cases. I want to. I want to go back to the story back to This assassination attempts and and start trying to draw see see what's out there. I don't think we're agree

if you man, I don't think we're out to the point where we have a definitive statement, but we may not have a definitive conclusion here. According to the federal court records, solace, was assigned to handle a class action, lawsuit that was bought against Deutsche Bank by Ali Karimi, and this was on behalf of investors who purchase securities from the bank between November seventh of twenty seventeen all the way up to July. Sixth, two thousand and twenty the court records show. The bank quote failed to properly monitor customers. Bank itself deemed to be high risk, including, among others, the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. So This is not internet speculation, the federal or level records stake, the Epstein connection and highlight it, and also if we look at judges or attempted assassinations of judges. Ok, this is of the same all across

world being judged to be a dangerous profession, but here in the U S its incredibly rare for this to happen, you'll get emails to get angry letters, some one will you know poop and a box and mail it to your office by people are not going to take an assassination attempt out after you, and it reminds me that your member, this of the Detroit Affair, the child abuse ring in Belgium when the prosecutors and judges were three and I think witnesses started dying, a mattress fires and stuff yeah. Dad doesn't really that a little bit, but I think it's being I'm worried that the Epstein thing is clouding everything else. Case no more, I'm reading about HOLLAND or on the New York Post right now, you're, we mention at ease, amends rights attorney you you know in in that he's coined is that are easier described in that way, he's done all kinds of interesting

suits everything from alleging that a bunch of these New York night clubs by offering ladies night specials in every thing, are you know, sexist in court, unquote, bastions of bigotry and things. He got suore sued, Jim Norton after going on the Opie and Anthony Show, this guy did he's a real. I mean he's an interesting character. There is a quote here from a lawyer and attorney named Vik, Pawar or Power says speaking about hall under, he was extremely professional and well read, but he goes on to talk about how this guy, Victoire represented a New York Police Department detective That hall under believed was part of a conspiracy with his Ex wife, her lawyers there.

Listen and mexican mafia and some New York City Strip clubs like right there, your painting, a very different picture of this guy or very you know, picture of him. That just seems like. Maybe he was prone to believing I don't know. There is personally motivated because of that twenty fifteen case that he has every Alice oh yeah that this is what I'm thinking here, because it may have something It was all because he did want a female judge right, that's what we are talking about here. He was going through this this soon to fifteen. He kept saying that he wanted a male judge. I needed a male judge and solace was appointed to his case, and maybe had some kind of long standing feud because of that with her or a feud that he believed right.

What do you mean what I mean? What do you mean? He wanted a male judge like us out of here. Like dig, you can't like ask who your judges right? Let go you can you can request. Useful. So because he's a woman hater, if he had a woman, he wouldn't be getting a fair shake as at the implication because he's the finnish to finish the thought you can ask for a refusal, there is a conflict of interests. As you and maybe in his mind that function as a conflict of interest, but generally speaking, a conflict of interest is, is to the refusal occurs is something where it's like. The judge says I cannot rule on this case because I own, like three million dollars worth of stock in Congo. Co. So I care and not a good source of that occasion for conglomerate o location is almost there like. Oh, oh, oh a female judge wouldn't be able to

put her opinions about the person's politics aside, their food, so that's almost insulting. It's like saying that would be a person out acting unprofessionally right. It's interesting, though, because then look at the timeline. This case is in twenty fifteen. That's there what we know best about there Interaction, oh boy here, according to new reposed. Very now tell me if this is incorrect. Yours, you ve, got differing information, been there saying that HOLLAND or had a case pending before solace. Right then, it was challenging the nicest militaries men? Only draft, that's according to the daily beast via the new post here, but I don't know if that's correct Well, we know that he had a package in a vehicle that was found in Liberty, New York. He had a package that looked to be fed Ex package addressed a solid, so is definitely again if he is the shooter indefinitely.

Names that he was shooting for solace rather than for her spouse or her child. It's it's disturbing because gather daily beast article you take came out while we were recording, looks like this story. Celso fresh, baked we don't know whether the spouse will survive. We know that Guy was the best word to describe. It would be polemical in his views. That's just extreme stance, a controversial stance of some sort. You can be polemical about all sorts of things and he seems to be polemical about his view of what he calls men's rights or anti feminism, which is raise. I haven't heard as much. It looks like we're talking about the same suit here: man, oh good site, it was filed in twenty fifteen with Hollanders. Isn't Visor Door world

arguments on emotion scheduled for this previous month, but there were postponed due to what they case stock. It describes as unforeseen circumstances. That could be anything I could be cove it right, Yes, probably give it? I will pay you oughta guess I am I'm guessing is given wow. That's. This is intense story, then, while they he for bringing this to our attention, but we having its it's an age under my skin. We need to see more details here. Is it just you know, is the media, supporting the Epstein connection, just a kind of capitalize on the interest in the new cycle possible

there is there more to the story. I am intensely interested in doing a deep dive into the intelligence agency allegations concerning Maxwell and Epstein in a future episode. A lot of our fellow listeners have written in to ask about it, but for this story at this point. It appears that holland- or if he was the shooter, was himself- is deeply disturbed and maybe not the euro on some kind of mission from some sort of? Well? Let's just say it probably doesn't New indicators right now they do is on a mission from some kind of cabal or something like that, or that the homicide was related specifically to the upcoming financial corruption case with the bank at Epstein. But again the bank Epstein various political figures of all stripes there's something.

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