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Stop? They don't shoot a production of. I hope we, hello welcome back to the show my name is met. My name is no. They called He then were joint, as always with our super producer, alexis code, name, doc, holiday jackson. Most importantly, do or do you are here, and that makes this the stuff. They don't want you to know it's the top of the week we are heading in to the end of february, the beginning of march, twenty twenties re. There are so many things happening in the world. We we talk a little bit about the the continuing debacle in ohio, never fear we have an episode on that coming You also talked extensively with ourselves about cops city here,

in the metropolis of land to georgia, more on that the region. Started. Doing strange news is because there is a lot of stuff that doesn't make it through the new cycle or gets lost. You know in the constant chatter of modern society you Dont know that australia has discovered a hive of spies. You may not know about it. Rise of the super pig. We didn't know about all these things and- and you know Have like many there was forgotten that there is still litigation going on surrounding election conspiracies and that something this kind of fallen out of the news in really shouldn't And it's interesting that they were talking about the news, because that is exactly what this pertains to learn, that new cycle and the way in many cases it is designed to just you know, attract

eyeballs and demographics- and you know the idea of what gets chosen selectively very select late to be covered is part of a much larger. Calculation, that, of course, james to ratings and ultimately advertising dollars, and you know, market share and things like tat, so so with any news outlets Have to take that into consideration wire, they showing me this now. What are they trying to distract me from? Why did they want me to be thinking about this? Now? Who am I as pertains to that demographic and today were specifically talking about fox news, which is obviously a very divisive network. It is the most successful. Whose network typically you know absolutely creaming cnn in the ratings I miss is something that the folks in charge at fox news, take very seriously. They want to remain you now on the top of the heap as far as ratings are concerns that they can do things

that affects stock prices. Things like that effect advertise ten dollars coming in the amount that they can charge per advertisement camp or whatever their different metrics for for television and radio in an all that stuff, but it's usually theirs. You command kind of a premium price depend on your ratings, and that is a thing that can fall and lead to lower income, for your company fox news, you recall, reported pretty extensively on this idea that the dominion voting machines, that being used during the previous last, a presidential election were in some way compromised please remember that there was all kinds of things being thrown around. It was like their owned by what was guatemala or some some other some country. That was suspect. I fully amber just the concept of

acting dominion, voting machines with being hackle like easily hannibal and could be manipulated in, and I remember this because we were here where we vote. Where I vote, Do those machines were in use and it was freaking me out dominion. Voting systems has been. I don't know it's like, because it is international is not all in house. They have software offices in canada and serbia weirdly enough as well as the united states. So they were, they were quite controversial, ended everything about the process of the. U s. Election is controversial and frankly, it's often confused two people from other countries like. Why isn't voting a holiday? You know what I mean. She same reason like the taxes. It is ridiculous. Let me I'm not gonna get all the way on the soap box, but the irs Ok, we know how much money you, oh, are you gonna do

me, no grass, and you will tell you if you don't pay it right and then will carry you and then will charge you a vague, because the irs is essentially a good, be now a mighty. Also type organization come in, they take their collections worthy. What we're toxic relationship is that, like hey, arrest you mad at me. I don't know shit I ve been exactly what why it would be wrong yeah. He was shame if something happened to your livelihood and then knocks the vase off the table, but you're right, its canada, that's where they were fought, founded right dominion. Well, you they are found in canada, but there were reports that were later disproven that's. The dominion voting system organization was tied to Venezuela, specifically the venezuelan president, Hugo chavez to george, saw rose to the clinic foundation, all kind of red meat for right. Wing controversy is the idea that these

Cities are in some way steering the course of of human events, lead to say and fox news repeated a lot of these claims that were being made by the trump campaign and other kind of far right pundits. in type c, now, like valets joneses of the world and in all that well, The chickens have most assuredly come home to roost. In a one point: six billion dollar defamation sue. There was filed last week by dominion, voting systems against fox news for spreading what they must believe on our part, leap faults, bits of information and the reason that I say that they must be pretty confident. That is because defamation is one of the hardest to prove I'm, not a a a legal scholar. By any stretch of the imagination I did take media law and ethics.

some college, and I was studying communications, and I do remember that was one thing that the professor they hit home the defamation. The burden of proof is very much on the plaintiff yeah and is something you have to be have to approve sure malice? You have to prove that not only do at an organization or you know the the defendant safe thing that was defamatory. You have to prove they knew, What they were saying was faults. when they said it and They were essentially being fleetly negligence and and spreading false information and eat. Think that'd be hard, hard prove in this case, because a lot of the believe one of the first set of segments took place with this was found, snooze having some representatives of the trump organs, if an organ political organization. On with the question leading question, admittedly being something to the effective, so you

hey there are some or irregularities tell us about that now and that opens the door that person to dispread nina whatever in whatever they believe to be the true. There was actually trump lawyer, sidney, pow, but now As part of this suits A lot of information has become part of the public record and that information shows people like Sean Hannity, saying things colleagues, and in and other higher ops, even though I believe murdoch rupert murdoch himself, saying hey this stuff is bogus. We know the stuff isn't true. We can't believe We believe it, but if we don't push this narrative out there we're gonna get our butts handed to us by in a right wing news alternatives like news max yea call Think he specifically called it in this is wonderful colombia, journalism You are very good article J

hold it hold it really crazy stuff, but you know with an australian accent, right in, and I believe it was hannity who was saying this is odd italy be ass and I can't believe are our viewers are good people. I can't believe they believe this. And then ultimately lead to them just pushing more of the stuff out, and they did it for months betcha. In the case it will come down to the minutiae of the law. they reported it he's gonna, make it The you cannot give yourself an hour if you're just giving voice to others rights Here I realize your voting. That's right, you're, quoting, but there's one acknowledgments in a lot of these communications that include emails and texts- and you know all kinds of turning coms. Saying that they were basically cherry picking, quotes leaving the relevant kind of actual fact stuff and just broken. The stuff that was more inflammatory- and you know with just occurred,

surrey glance of a lot of stuff. It seems a clear they were doing that with the express purpose of pen, bring to their audience here. It's it's tough, too, because you're, looking for just like, but liable right, you're looking for this kind of intention. You have to prove intent and this will be a malicious intent. one thing that really stood out to me in some of this reporting is that access to internal communication, like you mentioned no shows a lot of the same phrasing being used yet which is not circumstances like bats crazy. He things like threading, the needle rival that now that's that's more corporate speak for how do we how do we hijack this narrative to our benefit? Basically threading, the also. How do we not piss off or viewers? That's with running the needle means

means treading lightly right does I mean they're coordinating you know like that, something that would be. They would question right like how. How much of this was a? We knew. This story is bs, let's all work together to make in voting systems, look bad and I dont think we're necessarily saying dominion. voting systems are themselves sacrosanct. It's just course not I mean defamation, though you nailed it man like. Is it going to be possible to prove that there was defamation? the conspiracy at this point as right, black mud. But the point is on the point of a lot of these great reporters like in the l a times peace a column by Harry lippman? You know, you don't go out on a limb with a case like this. If you don't feel like it's pretty straw

you wouldn't do siena. You would have enough smart people smarter than us in these matters advising you know, unfortunately, yeah it's probably true, but the burden is so tough for you to prove that they had actual malice. It's not worth exorbitant court costs and I mean I'm sure dominion. Voting systems is a large corporate company with with lots of assets, but probably not the degree of fox news. Wouldn't you say I dont know what they're like org chart is. It could well be their part of some giant sinister not necessarily sinister but giant corporate structure, and they have unlimited in our deep pockets for things like this, but fox news as the deepest of bar. That's when it comes to stuff like this, they will defend themselves to the teeth with with all their you know cavalcade of lawyers and and the legal resources. I mean it's Steve water already right. Would you say one point, six billion dollars in the early in so so clean out, we even with those deep pockets that fact

as that would be a serious blow. Wouldn't you say I mean they did so I think they posted profits of upwards two billion last fiscal year, so it wouldn't like tank them necessarily. Surely they have plenty and reserves and operating budget All of that not just on top of all operating costs, so it would do it basically wipe out their profits for the whole year if they, if they lost not to mention all of the court costs if they would be on the hook for as well? now. What do you think nemesis leg, while these values must say this does go through their guilty? they get in trouble, they get final. All that money. Do you think it actually chain is there viewer ship at all? Well, that's the thing. A lot of folks are saying it could potentially have impact on that on there el events and on their credibility and Madame doing quotation fingers for credibility because a lot of them.

mobility is the kind of credibility. You usually ascribed to like a news organization, its credibility with their viewers, and we know that organizations like fox news max there very device in the way they report things in the way, the rhetoric that they be no give voice to. So you can argue from one side they have no credibility already, but that credibility with their viewers money in the bank, for them, this This is literally them talking like liberal Elise, right I saw a record you know Firstly, our viewers are so dumb. They believe this stuff. You know We know it to be not true, because again, a lot of these people, like Tucker karlsson, we know, are from the the elitist of the elite I mean the heir of the swanton in over frozen, includes company, and I think he be much more whimsical I have some weird prejudices about fruit. Food airs, Mitya lately

maybe like santa claus type figures like want. I gotcha, but let you lend me now that I was very stakes: torpedo that credibility with their viewers, because, all of a sudden, now there are seeing these these inner in turn, communications where they're kind of being talk down to and realized there being lied to purposefully and it's not like televangelist well can come on and have a performative lake get right with god. Change of heart inhabit a home which is fox news going to report on this story about itself right in you ve gotten mostly. If you got mostly a bubble of fox news, they you bring in point. They could spin it to their benefit. They are there. They are being unfairly maligned and unfairly. You now yeah whatever, but I have seen that kind of thing, maybe not to this extent, but we ve seen that kind of thing in the past. What what

would be more worried about. If I'm your rupert murdoch or a person who runs one of these divisions, that fox news is that the advertised There's notice all of this stuff. They don't want to associated with false reporting and then maple out and if they hold out then your browser has done, but you can. So argue, though, that a law suit is a matter of public record that, even if they don't report on it, it's gonna be out there, you, I mean, I mean even that wilfully, maybe pull the wool over their own eyes, tar to deny a one point: six billion dollar defamation sue loss from there. The amendment again, maybe not, maybe that there, the rabbit always so deep in these folks, are so entranced that they would just see that as a sign that the man is after their chosen new source well, dear there's also, we have to think about it. With that. I some point you made met,

fox is not alone in its space right as corporate types who call it. So the the attackers attempting to get that news to people who usually do watch fox were probably come from. of its rival networks right? That's where rice excel with down a present, of course it would and their already shedding viewers who were already, if not do tuned in two fox and news max or or something of that elk they'll see reported nebula. What up fox was to deal with this story on my other chosen news now, source show for everybody. I hope no just got off the

carlson pretty sure it was a cambridge massachusetts, a number that does sound like the kind of place that old turkey will have a have a little getaway. A little was probably george from seinfeld again yeah. That yeah he's the worst now the absolute best, but this is fascinating and I don't even think this is even eight an issue of political. examine shipper whatever may limousine. That term of this is this is like. Whatever side you fall on, nobody, to be lied to an way. you hear that these people that are feeding you, what you believe to me truth our knowingly feeling lies, that's not okay! It reminds me of breaks it. honestly when you see the internal communication of the of the power structures in the united, kingdom that were pushing to leave the european union, they knew it was gonna, be a bleak your doktor new, is gonna be here, which is why these

with moving their money in different places and when you exactly whatever their asses yeah outbreak interviews with just average people in the united kingdom who are saying well, we got sold a pig in a poke for sure, and this is unfortunate. You know, because voting is incredibly important and there are a lot of powerful forces that don't want you to do it, to be honest, strew. I have no problem with that. I think there are probably shades within that, but I think that's always sort of on the table. The idea of how can we prefer and folks that would oppose us from getting to the poles or make it complicated enough only it is it sort of way I just I can make everything about disneyworld eyes got back from disneyworld and late The thing we realise pretty quickly that then the lines the number for, like the how long the weight is their inflated by about thirty to forty five

it's an inherent in that is It is too to raise the barrier of entry, only the most serious waters. So this exactly what we're talking about with all of these. You know roadblocks, with with the voting. It's not Sarah Lee, you couldn't say if fully disenfranchises, but it's maybe it just inconvenient enough and it's gonna thin. I didn't know that hey did you get it It was the tron right. A thing is that of a national tron ride, I wish we, the guardians of the galaxy. We did star wars avatar, we did all the like our weights and they are only two hours, but I say three and a half and it is easily forty five minutes but anyway, I dont know that we need to go much deeper into this, because it's gonna be an ongoing thing, but I think it's absolutely fascinating to see the clearly. This company believes they have a strong case, and I wish I could find it. It might happen in colombia. Journalism review. There is

Surely some some quotes from from information lawyer, there was just a commenting for the article saying how strong the case was? So I know what it is. It's because fox news is actually claiming that what there doing is- is a first a matter of first amendment, freedom of the press and then is protected by new york. I'm versus solid, then, which I don't have the specifics, but it does here. Ok and this ellie times column. So Then the landmark press freedom ruling is indeed central to this case. That's why fox is facing a petition. Disastrous jury trial and the possibility of a gargantuan liability verdict. In that because that that ruling protects new, organizations if they exist, it had good. Will it exhibited, felt sorry, good faith right.

They were making these reports in good faith. But now we literally have these communications internally from his company saying they were not making these reports in good faith at all. So this this president their citing doesn't really apply goes before we move on the break. I just want to point out if anybody, I was just thinking that, oh all, the voting machines are safe and we can't be hacked. Just remember there was reporting well before this time, a bow vulnerabilities within those older tech voting machines and those are very much real issues. Yup. There are a lot of issues still would those machines, and just because the fact were wrong when it comes to reporting a fox news about this. Particular company doesn't mean that all the voting machines are safe under percent. I mean no technical. She is completely infallible and we know

You know a lot of times putting things on l, a network that can be accessed by folks. They know how to do that is always a patent they'll gateway to problems for they use. It is used like punch cards me, you know so anyway, something keep an eye on for sure. Let's take a quick break, hear a word from response then we back with another piece of strange news, this cavern cancer and if you're, an avid traveller like me you ve got a download my new app otto, that's audio with a two. A! U turn I'll, enjoy a new way of travelling with stories activated by your location. So when you're drunk I've been through a new town, discovering a national park or just curious about the origin of your cities. Name, you can listen to a quick three to five minutes story. covering our history from the first peoples to famous places and insides only locals would know what would you do if a secret cabal of the moon

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so I'll, be careful. What we say are the sole go into details, whatever you do, but here in australia is not a landfill. I think it's more of a vibe roger land will hopefully you're going to investigate the following Ben australia has, according to the guardian, really love their freezing. Here has quote bus. Did a hive of spies wishes operating within the country for years spies? How many years we talking The I love now we're talking all the time we get into some specific sphere, but let's go to the rope, from the guardian. I've really liked way like I said they ve been phrasing things so wishes let's get into who this group targeting why retargeting them and then what we know about the group themselves. Is it one group? Is it a bunch of different spies like? Is it true

functioning as a hive mind it with this freezing or are they like individual actors? So the first thing you need to know at least accord reporting that I've seen thus far knows single country has been named as in like these are spies from china. Definitely these are spies from Russia or the united states, or what really? Not in? U, because australia remember as we're talking about this is a member of the old five eyes thing, which is the west's like dome protection when it comes to spy on, holds its the if sauron that exploits an incredibly dumb legal loophole to allow domestic spying, even when one of the country doesn't allow it cough cough us cough cough. it also, it also does provide less. We must we make it entirely hippies on this aid also does

quite a lot of intelligence that can help these countries in the global sphere. So, if you're not in five eyes, no matter who you are you really want to know what they're talking. Oh yeah. Well, we'll see what they are finding out here. So, according to MIKE Burgess, that's how you'd say that, maybe I'm wrong despair and is the is an intelligence chief therein, australia and he stated that it these people were targeting journalists. They are judges and veterans, so military veterans, often they were targeting. People who would put on their social media accounts that they had security clearance not everybody started, but this was a common and just since just talked about this in the recent past guys. What do you think about that? Like the concept

touting in a way you in your outward appearance, the part you play or portrayed up oh on social media, that eight I have security clearance, I think it's see and you shouldn't. Do it there's a dead and been pretty absolutist about that, like as a flax like look at me, I've got security clearance. Sometimes it's flex, but it could also be. You know, consider the scenario where somebody is on something like linkedin and they're looking for a job and they want you to know they have qualifications to do a specific type of of work. That requires a clearance, that's less still there. Now there are avenues, you don't you should be necessarily doing that and public. Now, of course, your mileage, may vary, and maybe maybe one of our fellow conspiracy realist will have an absolutely watertight reason for doing that. But if you are, if You are playing for another team you're, looking

low hanging like that because it is a violation of upset for sure. Yes, yes, and oh by the way, the way they would get these people often been is too, while the courtiers to seduce them by that mean necessarily you know sexually city somebody at a bar. It could mean that but it could also mean something like giving a journalist and all expense paid trip. To some other country may be the country of the spies origin and come on tours. You know give them. All kinds of information and be able to lobby. Well well, imagine, putting a bug your put your taking this bug that you ve been watching, when he had in your jar and now you get to just watch with Does for a little while at the hotel that you put them in. You know what I mean the issues,

the regulations on things that, even with an arbiter air time meant based, industry are pretty tight leg, Lena, F, F, c c has as laws or rules internal guidelines against things called payola, where it's like paid a play kind of stuff, where you know did you're given gifts, then that is a conflict of interest, especially if you then turn around and give someone airplane. So if we're beholden to things like that in the entertainment industry, why aren't governments held to the same kind of guidelines. Well, very, very bad. If you get caught and now- and also I think, Matt you hit one of the most important things no no one's naming the suspected countries or country there, arson pretty Good guess is. You can make, if you're playing along at home by a hundred per cent,

best gaiters no, and there is a reason that they are not disclosing and most likely reason is that they feel like they can shake a few more people out of the outer the trees and this one off right or for sure, because I just have to keep reading from stuff. My burgess was saying because a lot of this comes from the kind of aid to a speech that he gave about the city but what was going on almost like a state of the union, but for error and intelligence organization in Australia. The organisers it is called the australian. Security and intelligence organization, also also known as asio. I don't think it's a s. I o the way you would say, cia for central intelligence agency. it's easy or audio, or some like that have now actually heard it. I've only read it, but because on all capitalize, that's what I mean by its, not nightmares. Alex area, but he is the chief there. He was saying that There was a concerted effort to target. It australian media, so we'd word

well: journalists and judges, and all that stuff veterans, but really seems like one of the main objectives was to infiltrate media so that you could. They could figure out sources right. So who are you journalists talking to to get all the important information that might security implications which is really creepy and also to actually shape so of the media being generated within Australia from within. Likewise the mines here a little bit more complicated than out and out buying propaganda spots. Are we recently talk to our power, Jordan, harbinger, and she pointed out. No, I think, he's fine without saying this. He pointed out in our conversation with him that or not long ago he and several other people on You- two had been targeted by

a foreign government too. We disseminate alternative narrative about covert, oh yeah. We didn't see those right. I don't. I don't personal your member ever seeing anything like that old, it's as always happen in the indefensible. Some of these reporters are people work in your team. It very rare Is it going to happen like in the movies? You know, like a guy, with a shrill being a trench, coat highness sitting on a bench: stay randomly and saying weird things that are code? Words shake your hand great time and your buddy gregg wants you to do a favor. I don't know. I really think this goes on the supper at it. For news like slash our slash news this, where I firstly the stories, often where first encounter these stories triggers, That is well at least to some extent. There are somewhat. commenting on this person MIKE Mike Burgess. He and

how he kind of looks like mike ermine drought, He really had a look. What it's like a bad to me! It's a bad ass, look like It's gonna come in there he's not gonna, think he's. it's gonna. Take this hive and he's gonna. Take it out the anonymous I really enjoy this. I feel like that's his vibe yeah neo. looks like I'll say it? books a little bit more rugged, then ermine, trout. you know what I mean he's he's wearing a suit in a lot of media pictures that are circulating but yeah he looks. He looks like in iraq it if he you, I mean, I think so. To get one of those, I I you know, I don't like to talk about. People's bodies must have seen some the objective or com mentoring and I really like to point out a buzz appearance. I like how is one of those people who has won eyebrow that sky.

Ants up, naturally, because those people always looks. I always thought those people look so cool. Oh dear, oh dear agreed, I'm going to give you a quote that he that he they were good but as he always better, working with our partners. We remove them. The disaster is stuff like that, armantrout equal right. There readily relates to the socialists, the oh, my god. Sorry, that's gonna shoot this. This stuff never comes about like suddenly right. They they usually if you're doing counter intelligence or whatever a slight we saw with germany, authorities, stopping heinrichs attempted coup still ridiculous. This is usually the culmination right of several months of work at least her. How long is this pot of cough of counter intelligence? Coffee them?

Really why suppose it's been for a year? That's what was stated there, but I dunno. I have a feeling it was longer than that guys and I wonder if we're going to get more details about this, because that's the real umami of it right is learning the ins and outs of how that kind of thing works on both sides and Unfortunately, I would imagine Matt there were none can get a lot of details right away if they're not even get a name the country no, and when you come just when it comes to a timeframe like that, I imagine, will be not advantageous, to publicly announced how long you ve been investigating something because then you give the people like a timeline of when, when technology could planted on where those people live leg. You know you dont want to do that. If you are actually doing counter intelligence like this, you wanted to be a little more amorphous or under

the estimated number pretty heavily yeah. It's a great point man and then do there's another thing in the already in article. That do you mean insert around earlier toward toward the end initially confused me, the toward the end burgess as was the separate thing. The us. You have found to other countries attempting to essentially kidnap people or to lure them away, like you said, seduce them just like you dead, you know someone is trying to find a human rights activist and get them outside of it. off australian soil, where they could be Burgess use this phrase disposed of that's where that's where the water gets deep. You know what I mean, because now it's not just hey, can we throw a journalist

the equivalent of several thousand dollars or whatever and get them to spread propaganda forest its. Can we snuff people yahoo oh yeah, yeah as this one this one might scare you new birth alone? This scares me a little bit: it just describes a scenario where at a bar two women approached or of employees. They'll employees and ages want to know everything they could find out about pine gap, a place the we ve talked about on the show before please very important for signals, intelligence and MIKE said quote. Fortunately, the defence employs resisted and reported the approach to take rule to tell us how we got that one time about somebody who is stationed abroad and were talking They were like

essentially monitoring people and they they sent than they really, communicating with a loved one nina secretly kind of and they at somebody randomly at a bar that kind of new everything about them. I remember that yeah. This reminds me of that. That's actually that's agree counter example, because in that example, it was it was an entirely a hometown game. You know what I mean is so and that that was that was the. U s doing their due diligence and I think we can say it's the. U s, but we probably I remember we have to be careful as some details on that, but this stuff happens more than people. given australia's literal position in the world and the amount of resources it possesses, especially mineral resources, and also you just want to know stuff right. It's called in things were here and what australia knows might be what the? U s, nose, or what the? U k knows: right:

so their allies layer by may be, but there are five eyes right: there are five allies and there's a lot of shared information there and that's why it becomes very dangerous guys we're gonna have to keep our ears and eyes out for this and definitely definitely guys risk this, anyone who approaches you and wants to know about pine gap, we're all over we'll be right back with one asked strange new story, this cavern Kevin and if you're, an avid traveller like me, you ve got a download my new app otto, that's audio with a two, a you too. guy enjoy a new way of travelling with stories activated by your location. So when you're done I've been through a new town, discovering a national park or just curious about the origin of your cities. Name, you can listen to a quick three to five minutes story.

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he recently wrote a book called termination shine in termination shot really interesting, opening its in the near future. It cipher about climate change, don't let that turn you off? That's why I didn't want to read it for awhile at first I was like oh come on. I don't need this diatribe today, but in the very beginning this plane, I think it's like the queen of the netherlands- is piloting a plane for reasons. We don't have to get into a crashes in texas and they are attacked by a by this massive collection of farewell. hawks news and as I'm reading, this yeah and this happens very quickly in the beginning of the book? So it's not a spoiler as I'm reading this I'm like alright. Well, let's see if he gets preachy about climate change, but for right now great setup. Neil and did the queenly avenue

makes it out of that that, for our heads, ok and here's, the other thing remember, I gosh how many years ago was it when the cyclical rotation of firearms in the. U s was at its apex, and people were talking needing fully automatic weapons in case they had to fight off thirty to fifty five. A hog, and that became a meme first. Second, the adulation ordered it, though so, who kind of accidentally the skype jason isabel who's that This songwriter bam guitar ass. He used to be in the drive by truckers and they're. Gonna went solo he tweeted sort of like a hot, take about assault weapons set of your own here, arguing the definition of assault weapon. Today you are part of problem. You know what an assault weapon is, and you know you don't need one to which william mc dab, replied, logic, question for rural americans: how do I kill thirty to fifty feral hogs run into my are within three to five minutes, while my small kids play

and so these things once again steve, made some as a billion safe. I author, he may predictions that are closer to us coming true. As we record this can fell. conspiracy, realist, especially the northern united states, superbly, These are coming your way. That's like twenty. Twenty three already we got some Yet some new invasive species are there across breed between domestic pigs, wild boars they can get up to two hundred and fifty pounds in weight on average. They go absolutely beast mode on anything in the environment they can also. Accordingly, last year they can go into like a height of three feet. They could be five feet. Long These are not the pigs from charlotte's. Where all are you? I mean this is not baby

I'm just do it here, but like ban like that's all my when n it does it look like a pig or a bore, it looks more like a boar. If you were just hanging out good cadets, that's terrifying to me Yang. You can see some pictures of these. I mean. I know where we've been quoting the guardian extensively here. They just did lie great work this week and the others agree article by Adam gabbett that'll. Give you a quick look at some of this stuff right now, this canadian based creature. The super big, its being called that because its incredibly agro incredibly belligerent, it's very intelligent and its super good. not being found if it doesn't want to be found, em right now, already just regular pigs that are running around the? U s and they're, not a native species. Remember that right now. Uncle

I must make the already six million wilder pharaoh pigs and they cause one point: five billion dollars of damage each year? So maybe maybe, if the court's get cream, If dominion will say you know, you can pay us or you can fight the pigs. You know what I mean it's like Robert Baratheon in may now, but your trial by combat, so the else have long tusk, and they can. You're making gore they can stone. a chest. These things have killed dear and Elk. Here, like, I believe you assets ben, I just got that in article you talking about it says they can even get bigger than their tuner. Fifty pound average range like like double

hell. Yeah. Now five hundred pound touched pig, that's like every feet, tall now and in people. The weird thing is as ridiculous is the sound scientists have been warning about this for years and years and years and no one listened because The idea of sound so preposterous, like here, I know there are a lot of terrible things going on. There's a lot of crap. We have to be worried about, but add super pigs to the list. In everyone's I gotta get out of here, professor you're drunk you know it. with the last of us situation, but with pigs and said a quarter steps like imagined, someone finally goes to the professor's pig proof bunker and he is like you have to poligized. First yo. Can you imagine if the super pigs joined forces with the super bugs

he said kindly what super health ape. That's kind of, what's happening, if you mean like, if we were taken bugs, is in effect, infections exactly the become that become resistant to antibiotics, swine it is a thing right. And they are a mix tape there. They are potentially a great american melting pot of viruses that are zoonotic there. transmissible to human man, so you think he got away and then the car starts the it's a terrible. They re no course, there are alot of programmes to try to tear down on these, he's invasive species, these wild or feral animals, but the new ones right dvd to point out that are coming. They do like hard core special for

stuff like. If there is no someone's hunting them, they will be smart enough to ro under snow and freezing temperatures and hide out for hours. Until you know the heat passes, lay and went back on yeah yeah and their breeding the ideas that, because they expand and they can be tough to catch the population their breeding with other pigs that are already over the border breaks nature, doesn't really care about political borders. I saw the pigs are gonna, have a big party. Very you know, showtime after dark pig party, and they're. Just their population will explode. I known, as are the most face book, but.

the problem then becomes they. Ok, they do tremendous damage crops. They do tremendous damage to agriculture to other extent species, but they can also pose a great danger to him this every article had been reading about this turns into this laundry list about how bad these things are forever. Why did I know it's very, it's very easy to think like we're being cold nature should run its course and so on, that's until you learn all this stuff about these creatures. The fact that it's difficult to kill them with firearms unless you're packing something heavy because of the weird composition of their bodies that you can shoot at them. I don't. I don't think we owe an apology to those guys on twitter, but it is

You can shoot at these things and they'll still get your mile ill drive the armored or other like they're, like they're, like smog from the the hobbit, where they only have a tiny little vulnerable cube, so apparently They are far more resistant on pretty much every level. So I think there is physiological stuff. I I've got it gotta find one just one, oh well we go with that one. Then I will hang out in a chicken coup, but I will not go traipsing through the woods. Looking for feral hogs with you, sorry, that's where I draw why only well adapter put me you'll. Let me know what's up I'm a driving ban will, because for freedom. If I'm wrong your, but these pigs are edible, like any other pig right, take care, they're, probably guinea, zoning, if do if you happen to eat that. May maybe you don't, but I mean I guess I would. If I had to say

people are going hungry, there's a food source. You just needs, hi caliber weaponry. take away now out. If you can't see here you meant for assault rifles boom is the most high stakes, bacon, you'll ever eat? Who I like the idea of high stakes pay em and makes a test of how much better it does really does it's like a game of thrones or song of ice and fire technically, whether where they there late did you buy that with the girl, the price for the iron price iron. The is the same as people Eden be no food from the supermarket verses Jane or, at the very least, slaughtering their own food. It's a different. It's hits different me now and this ok, so I m so excited. About this- that I forgot to sign how these came to be because if you look for super pigs, in your browser of choice, then you are going to see that the government of china and the eu

I have been trying to breed different strains of pigs, and sometimes these were called super pigs as well. Canadian super bigs very different. What had happened was Katy farmers imported wild boars from europe in the night in aids, and they got out because a very smart, very intelligent animals and they thought okay. We can rear these Or could we like some of these traits, we can rear them for meat, but to do that, we need to breathe with domestic pigs, which were not a thing in this continental, the fifteen hundred yourself, so they breed these pigs to get there wars and the pigs together and they're not indigenous to canada, but they are very, very enterprising minds and so, of course, the escape because they're not dumb. If you figure out that you're being raised for as food as a food source, you try to get out, you know see if you

change your circumstances and and some of them escaped from farms. But then the population grew again because there was a decline in demand for pork and some farmers just said: well, I'm not going to kill you if there's no reason to go free. You know you know what like. What's that thing at the end up babe that'll do metal, egg original junior egg? Did you can read about the method of a Judas pig the hunting method of a Judas pig, I'm gonna gases, biblically disgusting, I just don't sell this really. I e the concept is, if a year hunting these special super pigs, you capture, one, you don't kill it, you capture one! Then you fit,

with a gps? Then you release it back in the wild and theoretically, if you leave it alone, long enough it. It goes back to it's not called the heard. I dunno what it's called the the group of pigs and or maybe it is, I heard I don't know. our group and then you go and take out that group, but you leave the Judas pig alive and then you release it again and let it go and goes and fines other pigs, and then you take that group cause its betraying It's a trembling. Let's that's enough in this- is like a gorilla tactic, Oh yeah, send sender survive and send one back and let him think they made it. A group of pigs apparently call the drift or druv more sounder and a group of borders is called a singular. So how was he wait? Why to it? But why? call a singular which we call a groove super pigs. I don't know, but Canada's ad

the quickly one. More little disney thing, I learned the safari thing, an animal kingdom- and ever was really into animal group names and I learned lamb, buoyancy of of flamingos not be as their fabulous, because their buoyant there there are good at flow, is good and then a crash of rhinos, which I love. I learned that from the ring. Thank you very much, especially good one. There was a float of crocodiles if they're in the water and a bask of crock giles if they're on the land. I always liked unkindness revenge, and his corbett's man there's a glaring of cats. How do we get in the business of just make it up

His name's, rather later there cleverly descriptive someone had to have kind of coin debt sums you all a gesture whatever, but they usually are like some clever description, but I still quite get a singular of bores, though that's just lax and c mon somebody was being too clever. So there are other things you need to know about that's what we're scene is something called bergman's. Rule playing out in real time birdman b. r g m, a n n This rule says that the further Fourth and animals range is the high the tendency that they will be larger. So the size and the intelligence of super pigs allowed them to survive in harsh conditions, which makes moving to less harsh environments, cheesecake, which me means that it less action is taken in these are on the way

I just I am so fast need than you'll Stevenson predicted. This was reading about it, its everything we know about sci fi blockbusters, there's a hapless, professor weeping, warning people. He ceramic man like serious casta characters of earlier ever read. It was called in reality recreate as about tat old farming in like multi, billig m m, o r e g games in some sort of rueful diabolical plot within does Alex snow crash is maybe the most kind of cyber pankey like very much more important one from em right, an anathema now them and seven eaves were also great. Like aids, they get never everybody pretty cerebral, but but pretty bad In this case of the last thing you need to know, let's get a quote from ryan brook who is the leader of the wild, big research project at the university of Saskatchewan may have to reach out to

a brook and and see see if he wants to talk on in in an interview or on an episode, but at this quote again, the lay of the land he says, probably as leaders, maybe twenty ten or twenty twelve. There was probably a reasonable chance of finding and removing them in the super pigs, but now other, so widespread in so abundant that sir we as late as twenty eighteen or nineteen, I stop saying that eradication was impossible there just so established, they definitely move did and their sheer to stay. Oh boy, are they so tell us what you think folks tell us where we had tell us what you think a high state bacon, tell us what these invasive other invasive species. You think, maybe on the way. Let us know, particularly if you we have had experience with feral pigs with bore something like that? We can't wait to hear. We also want to know your thoughts,

in defamation. We want to know your thoughts on dominion. Voting systems of what may or may not happen a fox news if you are in Australia or anywhere, as we said, just don't talk about pine gap, the strain you know what I mean especially attractive ones, at a bar, especially track at a bar I'd, be trying to seduce you like a man who try to sort it out really quick one last autumn bacon bit either. I saw I saw thing on and I think it was near at times cooking. Apparently, if you twist your bacon, like into a brave and then fry? at that way. It's like delightful I haven't tried this year. I haven't tried it, but I am fascinated by this idea: let's do it because we are gonna be on the road together for the first I'm in a while. So maybe maybe we can make that a project our lives are cancel our plans. We do

I stakes, bake. It experiment is project braid. Am I I like this remains an acronym we're not going to tell you what it stands for them. It's also a banner yes and the last thing, if you you, as reference, the two ten rule really quickly. It's it's a rule of thumb. It is not. It is not like us. If alluding procedure of any sort, the ideas there you are in and unfamiliar place doings interested right leg, you are you're at the fancy hotel bar, because you are your fancy business convention. and it and stranger approaches you there's not going to hurt, not your self esteem. You need to think of the one to ten attractiveness level and treat yours else like a to imagine whomever speaking to you as a team, and immediately question their motives, no matter how

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