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really Jackson. Most importantly, you are you, you are here, and that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know it is the top of the weak right after quite what a wonderful long weekend for us here in not just in Atlanta but Detroit ended in New York and the various places that we find ourselves scattered in as usual met as we like to do. I get and I have scour the internet. We have. We have dug deep sue the weirdest stories that often don't make it to the main stream spotlight? And one thing I thought was interesting: is you and I, both went with so much, we we both with which some scary tech, future ism, some scary text stories, but before we go noise. Think

because it's just an hour by hour? Oh no! No, that's fine! Yeah! Go for I would feel it goes being rude if I didn't back you up and that we can make it if we try. What's here is just the two of us on MIKE currently, unless doc, you know get a wild here there if we say something that especially infuriates code Name Doc holiday. She will not hesitate to put us back in line I set out border away. We got video edges, God I was a close call, would suppose there was. There was dog yourself laughing there. So what do you think we could do mad? Is let's explore stories together and then, maybe, if we have time, if we have sought

the third act. We could throw some headlines at each other because I'm sure there's a lot of stuff that you see that just doesn't make the cut to be. Your choice chosen one, almost a choice in one: are you the chosen one for the week? How do you feel about that sounds great. Did you read the one about the sting rays the law fishing area, of a specific. You know the place where you can actually the sting raising an inquiry. I know I didn't ok We'll talk about it later. Well, now you have, let you did you read the one about the rogue. A drone our I well. Ok, we'll do the show first and above will do the rest of this ok. So we we said we pick two pieces of scary tack, reporting

and now I've got to be honest. Mine is gonna, be familiar to quite a few of our fellow conspiracy realist on the here's where it gets crazy. Facebook page I this is a story about social media and big data collection, and your story is, I believe, also about technology. This going to become increasingly dangerous and pervasive in in the next few years, and your story also deals specifically with some problems that we pointed out the emergent, a high tech right. I don't wanna go too much further without spoiling the surprised by a friend. You have a preference for what tat one thing we learn about. First, less can a May. I go. First and it's only because it's a specific hardware store, we're, combo, that's kind of one piece of the law your story, that is what you are going

talk about. I think, let's do it. Ok, simple, build up well I'll, read you what I've got here, it is the title. The article eight emotion, detection software tested on wiggers? This is from BBC News run by Jane Wakefield. I believe it is made twenty five or twenty six of this. and what I want to talk about today, is it necessarily about the weaker population in their treatment by these authorities and of the government there in that is a very important aspect of the story and it is worth going into diving into what I really let's talk about is the Tec that is emerging here and in the implications that it could have. So This is what I will I'll read you directly from the BBC article does what is as a kid We're system that uses a sigh and facial recognition intended to reveal states of emotion has been

has it on Wiggers engine Yang, the BBC has been told. Thou is important. The babies he was told this and there revealing their sources. It says, software engineer, claim to have installed such systems in police stations in the province and four engineer agreed to talk to the BBC's Panorama programme under the condition of anonymity, and this is because He fears for his own safety and the company for which he worked is not being revealed. It was not revealed in that entire article, but he did show Panorama five photographs of specifically weaker detainees who he claimed the emotion recognition system tested upon them. So small before even jump into this this specific article. All in story, that's being told to the BBC panorama is being too, I'll, buy you a source the BBC has chosen to trust without information, but as

way listener as a viewer as a reader. We have two, then trust BBC as an outlet to have made that decision that ok, this information may be legitimate, but we You know we don't have a specific name that can be cited, a source that can be cited. So we have to take it. I dont know, as a low Less than absolutely true. Does it make sense sure we have to at least be cautious about being overly credulous right? That's that's something it's tricky with any kind of and serve reporting, because you know, if you're, a reporter weather Seymour Hersh for a cup just starting out. The last thing you want to do is compromise our source because it means other people won't trust you in the future- and in this case it means the stores could be detained, incarcerated, tortured, murdered. These are all

options there on the table there. Those are all options on the table and simultaneously we cannot rule out that, maybe you again I hate even say this, but we cannot roof completely rule out that it some kind of propaganda story. You sure you just can't and so in and again that doesnt, I guess you gotta assign per abilities to either of those scenarios, but in this case these have to be aware that it they're all possibility. but less Europe into what the article says. What information was given to BBC Panorama by this anonymous source, person the source show panorama like it like. We said five photographs of these detainees. This, Rosalie underwent they experimentation in some way or testing. With this new software hardware combo and what was displayed at least for the folks there were these pie charts represented, what the system was seeing when it was using. This new food

sure emotion, recognition, software on each individual and it's a pitcher and when it represents so, really is this person's state of mind, at least that's what it purports to represent and what its looking for are negative emotions things anxiety, stress, anger, anything that could be considered a negative they are searching. This person's face temperature all kinds of bio data on this person to see whether whether or not they could be trouble right, whether or not their suspicious in that specifically was looking for. Is this person system this right, and this is going beyond your typical facial recognition match, which uses still photos because when you were using when you're capturing video like this, you were greatly spanned. The number of things that you can measures were also talking

vocal toad, we're talking a year in Europe were tied by micro expressions off air earlier today. It also will be able to check by agro expressions there a real thing that most people have unless they ve been trained, to try to suppress those expressions. Those reactions, those little facial ticks, but even if you have that kind of training, which again is a real thing, you probably wouldn't be able to fool a system like this. If it had enough stuff to measure- and if I had enough other faces to reference, yeah you're right an essentially, what you need for this to function is time in front of the system you need the human like face and be in front of the system for no longer then a few seconds in this anonymous sources saying that they installed the system at prison. With an ass and that he was typically being used on the weaker population and

and again, as I said before, I don't jump to deep into the sea situation between you and the journey government meagre population, but we just. I would just say that it's pretty obvious the multiple sources have clean. And seem to have confirmed the mistreatment of your population by the chinese government does at least the way it appears at this time either yeah you're right met. The quick and dirty version of it is that the weaker population is considered one of China's fifty five officially recognised ethnic minorities. There Three stinks in many ways. You know today they have lived in the region for a long time there technically a turkic, ethnic group about whom, when we say culturally distinct, we mean Lake,

majority muslim cuisine is dear friends, there they're, not Han Chinese, and since about twenty fourteen, the chinese government has been, if we're being extremely diplomatic. They ve been engaging in a policy of total non consensual cultural assimilation, so things like seeing in terms of camps, lack of legal process, a euro. You and I have explore various aspects of this story in the past. Everything from allegations of organ harvesting, which goes back to your is this: how much can we trust question right allegations of organ harvesting, the detainees camps, though, had been proven. Those are real threats journalists forcing people to reinforce children to learn the language as well as adults, their mandate at least, and then even to the point of sandy

chinese military members to live in a weaker families home after one of their parents has been detained just to keep an eye on people. So it's it's very. It is an unsustainable situation. The majority of the weaker population feels that the overall. Chinese government is attempting to arrest them from history from president and from the future The chinese government, of course, does not agree with that without description, but. They are outnumbered by the multiple agencies, who allege that at least some of those practices are going. You can understand how people were already concerned about. The weaker population would be pretty terrify pretty spooked by the idea of adding this nascent,

already problematic technology to the mix nets that someday, I think a lot of people explorer. You know when you come to the concept of what is right these two and a I or facial recognition. Algorithm right, and we know there are major issues with a lot of the existing technology for facial recognition because of those very things, There are specifically major issues with this version of emotion, facial recognition, emotion, recognition, software, and it has to do with how it was tested, at least according to this anonymous worse, you spoke of the BBC. This person said that test subjects were waste into restrained chairs, which sounds very soon. three are ready. Just calling it a restraint right right which are widely installed in police stations across China. Quitting the BBC, quote your wrists

locked in place by metal restraints, and the same applies to your ankles again. This is like a day at the spot. Sends a scene too. well then what they do is they use the airy system. Your pointed at your feet, and detect everything from your official micro, impressions, as you said, been to the way pours adjust, because I can see that deeply into you and the girl, like you, said, temperature all these other things in its really tough, even imagine this being real because the source. The whole reason for this is to be able to provide it called pre judgment without any credible evidence or without evidence. so to be able to free cards right pre, card crime and or threats to a location or individuals. That's what this whole thing is about or to determine it'll, probably start with determining evidence right over the past year.

you know the lie. Detector idea is, I think, where they're going there definitely going first right, show you a picture of something an explosion, maybe and then ask how you feel about it investment is line, and then right on right up, certainly one way that is being used. I think the other is Is this not just police stations? It's also being used in assisted living, in some schools to used just add a random police checkpoints one of these up or when entering a large corporate building, these systems have been. tested in several different places. Again is not all the same systems, not all the same software and were hardware, but there are various I would like to add that are meant to do the same thing and just see how your feeling here, you're worthy in things here to me was that there is a list

emotions that they're looking for ripe beyond just the pie graph stuff. There's a project managers speaks on record in the in an article quota by the guardian and they talk about. They have literally a list of emotions and one of them really stood out to me. Man was border. I dont think boredom should ever be listed as a crime. I think it's ok to be bored. think there? I don't think anybody should ever be bored, because there is always something interesting to do right blights, but I think it's ok. If that's like the choice, you make that's what you're going through out of like none of this is happening in a vacuum. There are multiple reports that weaker Populations already have to give dna. I have to get shall scans out. Was you and then also

the download an app on their phone and, if they don't now, if they don't carry a smartphone, they may be seen as suspicious because they may be seen as trying to avoid that app and that tracking Sudan. His light. If there's an emotion, that's not terror that these folks are experiencing. I say: let habit let him be bored if you have that luxury people realize border the tremendous luxury. Imagine the other obligations. It is not just bored if it really is anger that they're looking for or just in general, stress in Europe having something. Let's say: you're Tokyo in you God in Olympics plant and you have a way to possibly check and see if anyone means other people harm when their entering a large yo state where facility or something like that, any potentially could I can imagine you know in authority really

getting the possibilities that the software would provider this the system would provide. But then you, imagine it in train stations and the new measure in airports, and will you know at your job and net your kids school? And you just? Jim. The world. Look you and judging, if you're, having a bad day and possibly if you are we are bad day. Maybe terrorist, maybe you're no potential threat to somebody else, and that's absolutely I mean that's absolutely what's happening today. I just want to bring this up with you cuz. I know you probably thought of this to cultural expressions of things are not universal across the human population nor within the human population What about what about misidentifying people ray? What have you got the wrong angry bird and then what what about people who are Neuro atypical or for summary

then don't display emotions in you know in what, in a way the I would expect, and also just why could be a big, a bit light hearted about something that is terrifying, and still being and very much on the way to you by if you live in the? U S and it's this. What if you had the older, bs, you're talkin about the resting face. They face sure resting belligerent face. Worry there still like how you know I'm sure this stuff is supposed to have in theory, safeguards. That might just say, oh, that persons not a furious and angry they're. Just like this refuse, Robert Deniro, you know I'm joking a little bit, but their mouth just goes down,

silver sure again, if I'm, if I'm off mood- and I want to buy a random key, ask I wanna get tackled by some security. For this and you so weird, it's a weird, situation right the blessing I want to say here ban is that this tech, at least according the guardian, and you can read this- in their article, smile for the camera, the dark side of China's emotion, recognition, tech, you can write, about how the markets. The global markets view this industry and there's a cool down here. That is being forecasts globally to be worth nearly thirty six billion dollars by twenty twenty three this this whole facial recognition, emotion, recognition, industry, big emotion! Detergent! Boot!

and then you can actually regenerate a ton more about that as well. If you had over two Hulu rears its introduce Globe news wire? They ve got it called emotion, detection and recognition media market to reach thirty. Three people nine billion by twenty twenty three and you can read all about it in various pieces information about specific, I was all our market research. A lot of it is Betty wages. That's a lot of money because I the world in the markets at large, understand how excited security This would be to get a hold of this sure and there are other uses to not all of them damaging. You know, I'm I'm fascinated to learn about this technology. You know, I think you and I talked about it earlier. One of the big problems is that we're we're building these things that are increasingly robust and in

urgent, but we are building them too often for white critics will call specifically warlike or punitive purposes in her life like to point out that in another world in another reality, this kind of technology could be very useful for innocuous reasons for an acting class. For example. Right, because I don't think about it, but I am reaching. I am free lawyer. You done it's a shame, use for that, but you could make you could help. Some people become Freddy, pretty talented actors by training. they didn't recognize and then later to mimic, I euro, the the proper Schuman emotions which a lot of us do that any like try in the mirror anyway. So I think that would accelerate cause, it's kind of a bio feedback right

like the way you can learn to sing, but that's not what it's gonna be used for for a while. Now yeah. No. I agree right now, at least according to this one source, it to be used to were to keep control over a minority group inside mainland China. That's what it feels like what it means to be used for anyway, let's move on was talking about something else. I'm done with this. You know saying all of it while a camera is just mean taking pictures of my vases of your face and dark holidays. Blank screen just like it's, not that with you met a longshot or eight years or sponsor This episode is brought to you by Bmw. You thought Bmw is just the ultimate ivy machine, but it is so much more that's right. It's also the ultimate electric driving machine

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and we have returned so who has not had this experience? If you have social media, you have a smartphone, are friends of social media or your friends have a smartphone. You have likely encountered some kind of ad that seems like It came out of the blue, but knew too much about you. We can make up the anecdotes, it's a mad lip at this point. everybody has a story like this: let's see you're over at your items, Matt Gimme, an interesting name please Richard variety store, ok those perfect as perfect, so you're with your cousin Richard and your at Richards varieties for, which is a neat little store here in Atlanta and real turn is. Let's say, shopping for a surprise for their partner right, and they say you know

again pretty serious, so many get em an I get my sweet or a miniature stone sculpture me, your kill it it with them. today a miniature stones sculpture. For it on the website, I'm looking at a would be cushioned, so she knows also into the lighter side of life, and please say: ok, this autumn's, you Basler gifts with your power, richer. and then you log on to your facebook or you're, probably statistic more like more, more likely or Instagram or Tik Tok, and then you, Sir, seem sponsored content for miniature stone, castles or will be two point: oh the last word and Whoopi cushions, and then you also starting recommended things that tell you in some the it almost seems like urgency. You know you're a facebook in his says Richard, like Shake Shack, there's a picture burger

its on Richards Diet, you and you don't care, maybe guys just went to shake check who knows most people have pretty reasonably assumed that this was happening because social media companies and data aggregator were less than honest about what they were collecting, how they were collecting it and where they were moving it or where they were sullied and were being candid and so too story with help from our conspiracy, realistic, every here's where it gets crazy comes from a privacy tech advocate named Robert G Bereave, who had one of these experiences and he's one of those guys who living in that tax base. He hear stories like this all, time. You reported the same way. Somebody might report a story about seeing Bigfoot and I get the feeling that he was. He was pretty often the voice of reason in the room,

saying something like well, I don't know, I don't know if you're device can Here you the way that you seem to think it can. So he recently went on twitter that and he unravel the mystery. What I'm hoping we can do with our with our time in this segment is to walk through some of his story and then stopping and check in school will start going through some of the tweets ass, great awesome, Robert Here's in case you are listening, sir. Thank you for the fantastic work. Here's what you had to say. I'm back week in my mom's house and now I'm getting ads for her toothpaste, brand, the brandy and put it in my mouth for a week we never talked about this brand or googled. It were anything like that as a privacy, tech worker. Let me explain why this is happening in this for a long time. By the way, I I just assume the APS were actively listening. Unless you explicitly denied microphone access

and even then I thought, oh, how much do I bureau? How much do I trusted dancers? Zero, obviously yeah. What would just clear, Robert. And I know you're a privacy, czech workers not disturbed. I talk now, do you like the rubber? We know you know more than us, but cereal x on those things are always listening that I mean they're, always collecting data they're, not always sending data away, but we also do know that sometimes they are sending random send it. is that are not you know every officially, hey Alex's Org Never, ok, Google's in all that we talked about, but will we get where you say? Sorry yeah? I can't change the settings on those I'm someone of it somewhat technic phobic in that regard, just to the track, your Windermere change, the settings to instead like saying alike. So whenever you could say something like I sum in you, I bet you care, I'm sure you can that's way too much fun for that, not too

a thing here: my fair away to make changes with arguable home is to just turn it off and then unplug around our wifi did the same. that's what I do want. I'm in your house face Kickapoo up. Look it up you guys, are already asleep. You no enemy. So this means an issue of responsibility I appreciate you, let me get some rest. They just for the record. I have not broken into mass house. I left the door open up our it's back to us backed her, he says. First, all he does a bit of myth, busting here and am grateful. Forty says to all your social media acts are not listening to you. This is a conspiracy theory. It's been debunked over and over again

You know, as you point out, that's not the same as the voice activated surveillance devices or the funds cylinders or whatever it was to call up. I continues with its sweetness says, but frankly they don't need to meaning the old need to listen to you, because everything else you give them unthinkingly is way cheaper away, more powerful. Your apps collect a ton of data from your phone, your unique device idee your location, your demographics. We know this dad aggregator pay for to pull in data from everywhere? When I use my discount card at the grocery store every purchase, that's a dataset for sale. Can match my Harris Teeter purchases to my twitter account because I gave both of those coming. he's my email address an phone number and I agreed to that had a sharing when I accepted those terms of service in the privacy policy. Here's where it gets. Truly, none though well well well. Well, here's where

Truly knots, though I think Robert average trying not to like use our phrase Everybody knows what he's doing. I think that's very now, I've Geneva days of you, I mean that, according to that, chinese facial recognition software. I have like three emotions a year and I would be a big. It would be awesome if being pleasantly surprised. That way was one of those emotions, but then I'm saving Alex. You know me I like saving toward the end. then is allowed to be bored three times a year. Three factors is boarded emotions like us, so I guess I wonder if you live, I wonder how long someone can be bored is such a foreign concept me. I don't owe to some point: doesn't just become like listlessness or a symptom of something larger

Like you can't, you probably are gonna, go to a psychologist, your therapists and say: hey. I've been feeling board for, five years. I wonder what it is and to have them come back with a diagnosis. That's just like dude. You are Super Board year, and you know the depression in and hopelessness, and all those things can leave one down. I bet halves. Aluminum I bet that's why boredom as actually I just thought about been. That's why boredom is tested, because in some of the prison systems not to go back to Har Homa, his great is great but systems intertwine yeah. They really do in some of the prison systems, they are specifically looking to see if an inmate has suicidal thoughts, works yourself, harm thoughts, harm or army others, but specifically self harm, because the rate of self arm in some of the prisoners in China are so high there. Attempting to do

make sure nobody is planning to her themselves that day. Ah, yes, I see that is an astute in an excellent point that ends you both of you Stories are really about the erosion of privacy and the obsessive tracking of people with the ultimate goal of predicting their actions. You know you're not far, if at all, if you were thinking like masted about pre crime, this is absolutely the deep both of these things absolutely led to that path. But this one, this story out robber, is primarily at this point about assume with your head and priming you to buy stuff, not at Amazon. Prime reference, but new? I guess unaware that we're sorry

from their pay you for that when I just called Jeff. So robber goes only says: here's where it gets truly, not still. If my phone is regularly in the same gps location as another phone, they take note of that they start reconstructing the web of people. I'm in regular contact with the advertisers can ass reference may interest and browsing history and purchase history to those around me start showing me different stuff based on the people around me, so family free ends coworkers knowing this is just a pause in his tweets. Knowing this man just think about how sticky and strange those events can get like. Let's say: oh, let's take Richard. Ok, let's say Richards many tours doom sculpture and would be cushion.

were a success and, let's see richer, gotta turn a boyfriend points for he's living high on the hawk. I end is scrolling through some source. Media or something any start seeing ads for wedding rings, and he thinks well, I against the idea of matrimony, I am never and a merry why the, how was it is showing up for me, must be then you're significant other really really want to get married. Then that put you that put you in a weird situation, that's possible and Robert. That's where we continue Roberts tweets here, it will serve me adds he said. Four things I dont want, but it know someone I'm in regular contact with might want to.

subliminally get me to start. A conversation about, I dont know, beat me on the stock toothpaste. It never needed to listen to me for this. It's just comparing aggregated metadata, and then he also says look. This is out in the open tons of people report on this No one cares. We decided privacy is worth it. It's a losing battle. We vote. given way too much of ourselves selves and then He goes on to share some fantastic resources that are highly recommend reply. All excellent pie cast, they have agreed episode, is Facebook. Spying on you We have a pretty solid episode on it. To that could definitely using update. Does it several years old but more the information there is still relevant and correct, and then one that I thought would be great for everyone to read is New York Times: Op Ed, twelve billion phones, one data set zero privacy,

and so Robert blocks through this he says so they know my mom's tooth basting, always out my mom's. They know my twitter now get twitter ads for moms toothpaste. You dad isn't just about you, which I hope can be used against every person you know or people you don't to shape behaviour. Unconsciously, I know it's not it's not science fiction anymore. It's not! The realm of speculative novels were screenplays. This is happening and it's going to continue, and you know you can read war of Roberts riding and end some of the responses to this. But I wonder if this is what I keep thinking about, that made love to have your thoughts on this How close does this give us to a system of sesame credit? By this I mean like when we were all going in the office.

day were you know, we work on any number shows were, according all the time. How much more data was inner. Late right would you or no get air and add, for you know like tactical gear. Thing, because we hang out- and I was looking at it or would I get would would you know like mission control or Election stock holiday get an ad for magic. The gathering as you were. Looking at new sets right now would think. Well, that's weird. I wonder why mark never once mean to play magic, the gathering and strange and never got into it. I am a ghost assume, a guy or whatever. The odd I will just be I will you should really try strict, even because you know it's got like this Harry Potter, vied with all these different. You know it's clean within a school. They all study, different things You know, I think it really be into it. Yeah yeah like. Why can't you just recommended

anyway, I tried it is trying to do the work you do just so side note I used to collect magic, the gathering eyes when I was little, so it actually wouldn't be strange that as soon as we do still have trying to find them, and I couldn't because I was thinking they might actually be worth a lot of good economic output Finally, they may well be low corny Robert. It doesn't matter if you say magic, the gathering out loud again, seven more times, because your social media isn't listening to you, buy up You have been resumed called me a lot and had been searching. Magical out so could be happening well so the algorithms could get it wrong. I mean hilarious. Would it be if we were taught you have magic, gathering, the algorithm just picked up the idea of magic and we started getting adds first like to become stage magician something like that they do better. Conversely issue like say, go how's your weakened ah,

I got really in the magic like no way what cards you have and then I just pull out like a jack of fifty two you don't like one of these is yours yeah? I don't through that concern the terrible shock, but by the and bringing this up is because having here, or data and your life be bound to the company The software believes you keep could in the future. have a negative impact on you. What if, for instance, as the surveillance net titans, you are seeing, hang like you hang out with people who were considered to have bad credit right. Will you find your credit impact it in the future, just because you are associated with those people. You know it's. It's possible then I dont know what laws have been

written that might restrict that there certainly not applied at a federal level as far as I could find, but I'd love, I'd love to learn more, maybe an awful episode. Nay, I think we can. We can pause here for another word from our sponsor: wouldn't it be funny, it was stage magicians magic, the gathering. We can hope we can hope that about. While we're on this brief break before we come back who headlines at each other folks wanna hear from you what are some of these strangest things that you have run into what social media adds, have mystified? U n. Did you ever find an explanation for them? Also, When you think about Robert G reef, he seems on the up and up to us he looks like he is acting in good faith, Israel laying events the way he understands them do

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sure, terrestrial language that he sometimes uses its somebody's learned. It's not like it. Inside of it buddy he jumped in for just a moment right before he went to break and just play lovely it was nothing and the emotion recognition. Software didn't pick anything up. So just an update That was my bad you know was by was my bad. My axe and slipped for justice cited, Thirdly, we ve got each other's backs. They may have Here is a new list care home or in the car or in the spaceship or wherever the wide world finds you today and today, Matt speaking of terrible sideways you and I have decided live on air while through her according to show that we were just gonna, spend less

few minutes throwing in the headlines at one another, and I think we both just in the real quick check in the folks from the beginning of this episode. What that now we're doing where it through each through a headline. The other person is honestly just checking to see if this good work and if we had both heard of those things that we talked about than we might not have done this, so it's quite fortuitous were Look Matt hit me What's going on and what you see, oh sure, will you make sure Chicago Tribune will load free? Yes, it will this for this just popped up on the sum read news. and here's. Here's the title from Chicago tribute more than three he sting, raise died at these shut aquarium over the winter and officials. I don't know why. Now the reason and how to bring this up is because any time is a mass die off in any population. First of all, it stinks

second of all its puzzling, because this species, of Stingray or are specifically the kind that if you ve ever been to an aquarium, you will sometimes see a small error aware anybody can walk up in. Some of the wildlife to actually put your hand into the water and interact physically with the wildlife and that's what these these sting raise were, and To me, I'm just wondering is this: some kind of pathogen there went from human to sting Ray is. It is not even possible that it could happen that he could go across me. She's like that or you know, is it something with the water quality in this? Is the shed aquarium in Chicago Illinois. Ah it reads strange to me because aid they stilted what the heck killed. All these thirty sting raise. They notice They are acting really strangely in January and then all of a sudden they just all wet. To put you know, it's really weird about this man is that when I guessed Florida

I was wrong maybe about yours, you, but I was right about another. What just four days ago, all the sting raise in a tank at of a zoo Tampa died. What? Oh, that's not what that's the one that is the one cargo articles from twenty nineteen, but still coincidence, there's a killer ere. I wondered it's different, because this mystery, maybe a little bit easier to solve, given that the stink rays are located in a very well, fine smaller environment right than the ocean. Yes correct! I here is what I want to throw it you are. This is partially about the terrors of

building thinking machines is weapons of war and impartially about how tricky headlines can be business inside or South Africa reports, a rogue killer, drone quote hunted down or human target without being instead due to this is, according to you in report. Here's the problem. This thing their talk about specifically, what's called a cargo to quad capture it. honestly attacked a human being during a battle between libyan government forces in a breakaway military faction, its built in Turkey. It's designed for a metro, warfare, anti terrorism operations and it's designed to is designed, did not always need data connectivity between the operator and drew.

So it works such that, like you, imagine your fine, the drone doc we're gonna pick on you in this way, so you doc holiday. You find the drone and you're the best drone pilot in Insert Miladi here? Right, you are, you are the dog holiday of of this drone programme, but there's a spotty connection all the sudden, your screen freezes- and you cannot steer- were direct your car boot to Claude Capture. What the cargo to does instead is just continue on its own with the instructions of the programmes it believe it was given. So I think it's a little unfair to say this thing went rogue, but I do think it's fair to say this means there are a ton

flying killing machines out there and there will be no work issues both network to choose. Yes, yes, absolutely that has a bad when, for us to end no it's! Ok! The situation you described when feels very similar to the zoom call where Ben You ve got a narrative tat. You can then you're. seeking to, and then you have a co host too has a terrible connection that here, most of the time and tries to say something about it comes the thing information comes in way later and now it's too late. It just really bad well! Well, how twenty twenty one is, this that you and I are in the same building right now relate to creepy rooms away, people must think our offices, the creepy, is

if they haven't seen or Youtube videos on the same network? Somehow I saw a true, I think that that is illustrative of just how finicky network connections can be, but I would argue this makes this could make drone warfare even more dangerous, as, as these entities become increasingly autonomous, you know what kind of safeguards can we build in? Should we try? Well, I don't know how to take this is, but should we tried not to specifically design d you stand sisters of artificial intelligence to be he wore machines. Can't we just make them we re. ye happy to play magic, the gathering, no unsure there's an algorithm, though be amazing at me. We tried that already that His name is sparky. You can play in sport,

as much as you want Sparky even says, like hey, let's play again all mean that was agreed play. You do you're good at this. Ah, let's try to meet up again soon after you defeat Sparky, so there are already working on empty gee. I just want to say who alike that ok, let's ended there today first, we will do this again, will throw some at random headline. At each other, but you know it will do that. I think. Will let's each day, like eight, that we don't know about analysts, throw the rapid fire maybe maybe we can even be I'm doing like the end of a Rick Wordy Morty episode. I'm sorry! Maybe we can even make it like one of the headlines, his fate and you have to guess which one is fake. I'm kind of ripping off Jonathan Strickland will think of something different. Maybe we could put some stakes on. It may bleak a gamble gamble stakes I if I'm ok, I'm I'm terrible snakes. Why not in every other to read you to really fast rapid fire Jeff basis.

Stepped down his Amazon, CEO, I fifth, so you're gonna. The name a different guy. Next time you may reference to the ceo of favors, this is an old one but Amazon to buy Gee, I'm studios for eight point: four: five billion: oh, ok, that's enough! those measures, are not conspiratorial Amazon once in the health care, that's conspiratorial M Gm dude retiring. Mayor, Goldwyn M, yeah nailed it such metro golden. May, I believe the air it is natural, Goulding, mere we We would love to hear more random headlines from you, fellow conspiracy realists we ve been It light on this when there is some incredibly disturbing heavy stuff going on in the world as we record once it's been the case for ever since the Grecian they show and we

typically are going to return to those in the form of full episodes. For now We need your help and we want to hear your stories, which your experience with facial recognition with all this near future tax, that is, bleeding over the edge from fiction into facts. Do you think a private company, like Amazon be great for health care? What do you think we should do about ugh drones and what are your weird social media stalking stories when the algorithm does? not not somewhere. Do you met on the internet? The train? Yes, you, it was all over the place on Twitter and Facebook. We are at conspiracy, stuff on Instagram conspiracy, show on you. We are also conspiracy, stuff check out all of our videos. There are so many of them even videos, of these conversations. This one be a little choppy considering the net. Situation in which we currently find ourselves, but hey, if you don't,

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