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hello, will come back to the show. My name is met. My name is not legal. Then we are joined as always without were stupid, producer Alexis Code, name, Doc, holiday Jackson, most importantly you or you, you are here, and that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know it's time for us. Dreams. Numerous fellow conspiracy realists our meekly segment that takes us around the world and often just off the edge of the mainstream Matt, Today we're going to learn a little bit more about the odd effect Prince Phillips death has had in the pacific region. See the clear view a eyes in the news, no spoilers, and will also what Sue head toward a rod where the world seems to be encouraging closer and closer to. Well, I don't wanna see World war. I definitely

the cold war is warming up. I think it is fair to say, Would you guys? Would you guys agree without its? Not getting any colder note? He has enough well not put politically at least know about. It is getting a little bit warmer in terms of temperature, which I am absolutely fine with got the well well with the welcome. We also know ahead tempered, in the Middle EAST may well be unlivable with his our lifetimes, God literally and figuratively literally and figuratively if I give you guys, are on board for what say we once a week, pursued in that order will go to the Pacific first, some good I'll write so Story happens in the wake of the death of Prince Philip Prince Philip eyes. You probably have heard was a key player in the. U K Monarchy recently passed.

April. Nineteen, twenty twenty one at the ripe old age. Of ninety nine years old, I asked magic royalty as pretty good health care, and in the wake of this man's death, a lot of people, work, of course, heart broken in the UK and a lot of people were pointing out various problematic things. A prince Philip had done in his virtual century of life here on earth. One thing that bears a little bit more scrutiny is the religion built around him. We're not. I about the church of England folks we're talking about something that is commonly called a cargo coal, and now I know I know you guys I've heard of these before right, yeah Charlie talked about in the past, either on this show or another one that I always get the now he's kind of forget what it is. So I'm going to be on board for a primer, real, quick,

just out talk for once examiner. I don't know much about this one. I know that cargo calls a lot of times have to do with newer technology or civilizations, with newer technology that will advance on their civil zation a lot of times, leave behind goods or leave behind pieces of machinery or debris or whatever it is that they leave behind from their new technology and then that technology, since it so different, from the understanding of just the civilization that they have encroached upon deal. Five it in some way- and I see tell me Kramer well you're been, but I think a lot of it has to you with maybe regions or lore or myths that exist previously within a culture that then, that encroaching group symbolizes and

way, maybe yeah yeah. That's that's pretty close. So there is a cultural context, if not a specific mythical, you're right, pre fingering the arrival of these outsiders. These men's begin in isolated the areas of the Pacific specifically and Lee Cultural Context to which these outsiders arrive is the idea of what is called the big man political system. In the big man political systems, individual, game social prestige through the act of giving gifts, so you ve had a wonderful fishing expedition or something you wanna up your wrap in your community US time to receive party, you know what I mean. Who can say no to that this became faster baited and entered a new era. As

We saw it started in late. The late nineteenth century, early twentieth century, really took off in World WAR two because, as wide powers were island hopping to secure. Control over the Pacific theatre? It would land and please Is that had rarely seen, outsiders in some cases had never seen outsiders and these outside it would come along with airdrops supplies, military equipment stuff that looked like it was literally from the few. You know, imagine we're all Libya in Ireland are we We are probably subsistence, farmers or fisherfolk, and then all of a sudden inundated with manufactured slowly canned goods, medicine we had never dreamt of before and we're associated with this in our cultural context and were saying ok, who is

the person giving this to us, who is the quorum, hope, big man, and how do we Pitching eight reward adore this this person, this figure. This brings us to an island called Tata in watch it are you one of the most popular cargo calls is from Tata. It's called the John from Colts F R, John through I sometimes is called Tom Navy. This story is that and specify group of Americans land on the island with cargo old war too, and there became in the minds of some residents of the island, a spiritual entity, something kind of closed uncomfortably at times close to being a deal, Often when you hear these things reported, the there's a bit

other ring about it, and I am sad to see there's little bit, condescend in the press reporting, sometimes where these, where you will see. The near reader of a documentary Orioles Yoke, the reporter, who knows better saying stuff, like oh look, it look at this, were to end it, but the cargo call so here, if so odd, their building life size, replicas of aeroplanes, out of straw, their building, fake radio towers things like that and its its. I do think it so they're looking down, there knows a bit in, fair way, because obviously this becomes a religious practice. These Religious symbols at this point in the loop, We know full well that This airplane more actually fly there, just as intelligent as anybody else Butts Prince Philip is involved.

There are a couple of villages on the island of TOT up, never part of something called the Prince Philip Movement. They believe that this Duke of Edinburgh is divine being Andy associated him with a part of their Psychology. So, like I said earlier, there wasn't a specific mythical figure for all of these courts, but there was a that context of big man, politics Prince Phillips, different because they did tie to a specific legit you right now. I just didn't want to admit it until we get to this part of the story and outrage. Who was it? I wasn't sure of that rule, because I remembered the I wasn't. You ve well principle it because I was thinking about the what what is it tat they are not Tom Navy, John from town. It's like a symbol, a symbolic per in that represents. The group

b, or something like that. But I'm sorry I couldn't remember thank you for calling. The auditor is a person like a deity. Or a car. More of a Manson ask figure like a cult leader, get break question here. How the legend goes according to the ancient folklore the young man and people which I apologize for mispronouncing there was the once upon a time. Is all good stories begin their ways son, of a mountain spirit. The sun. Mountain spirit travelled over the sea to distant lands and when he arrived at this distant land, he married a powerful woman, time he would return to Lee need of people on the island of Taiwan up. He was sometimes said to me the brother of John from when the from

movement began and the people who is some of the people believe this tale believe that Prince Philip, is literally that son of a mountain spirit, because he is from far away many Mary, Queen Elizabeth, the second it's not clear exactly when these came about experts guess early is the nineteen fifty so after world war, two We know that When the royal couple visited now to watch you and nineteen seventy four, a few people, were actually able to see Prince Philip from a distance, and there are photographs of this meeting, which some folks may find offensive at this time and Prince Philip by the way should be said without editorializing. He leaned didn't do this. He sent them signed official photographs

yeah they sent about club. He took a picture imposing with this traditional club and sent that picture to them. They trade he just gave them photos of himself to look at. Would you believe my my inkling was right? We did this on ridiculous history, several years God, I'll be ever so. If you want to get a little bit more were primer primer that know a thirty minute primer rather than five whenever I it's called. The Duke of Edinburgh is literally a guide in Vienna to me that this year, do you have to wonder I mean I don't want to read too many. Tea leaves psychology, here by everyone or what it says about a person when they found out the people who really could use some secularist since we're worshipping, you is a god and then you said dope picture here. I'd you said that

we have to be sensitive here, because this is the big story. The system there was wondering about is actually you thing I was wondering about when Prince Phillips death was announced. What happened to the Prince Philip Movement we'll is still very much around, and although it can be tempting to look askance at this, movement because it seems so very foreign to many people in the west we have to but this is a real, mutual value system from people and the villages that followed Prince Philip in this way, oh, were stricken with if I were trying to figure out how to commemorate his death. So as we record today, there are three rough possibilities that that we found so are. These may change one, possibility

so some people said what this just solidifies. It is definitely a god and he will return like it did the time back in the fifties, and then there is another group that is saying we we are going to now deify Prince Charles? So he be kind of the new, the spiritual and literal descendants of Prince Philip now also worshipped by us. I there's a. We can reach an excellent wording in the telegraph about how the how this came to How do you rituals are enacted, but it gives it still, I'm trying I'm trying so hard not to read into these guys character. The princess I mean, like Prince, try visited, as recently as twenty eighteen and he was appalling,

it has an honorary chief. He dressed in grass curtain. You know he took a bunch of photos I imagine that media if you're royalty have so many photo ops rights, I imagine imagine this is maybe for them qualifies as such and good will and positive I don't know what are you guys think we're we're where'd you land on the ethics of that well aware, oh god, oh god, complex framework. You there's. If, if I'm trying to be completely objective, theirs I can imagine a fascination with it. He would feel very strange though I mean. Maybe it's me, again I don't know much about the royal family. I they seem to be some deified already in western culture, so I wonder if it's that different for them port, you know port

so the royal family exist in I'm sure many households, I imagine it, but I cannot confirm that. I I wonder what it would be like personally for let's say, Prince Charles when he visited two to go through that What you're accounting reminds me a bit of George W Bush in some of the times when he would visit other places, you know, and he would like he would do. The things the ritual, dawn. The clothing of of certain places the very traditional, but it just feels it feels wrong in away when you're watching it as a third party? Does it is, variation in some ways, but others in other ways, issues being in that area. But in this case it is literally a cult that his bill up around your family and or self was easy

it's like a diplomatic move if you're sort of like presented with the traditional garb by the government's urinary and asked to wear the thing or whatever the God complex you think I was talking about, Was- was mortars Prince Philip leaning into this and signing pictures and all of that That's odd he's almost capitalizing on the fact that I mean really some of these folks. Just don't know better. We now I'm not in the no ding on anybody's intelligence, just about access to information and he's a say. Really be unlike not telling them. Otherwise, you now yeah, it's a little strange. Where is it dickie thing? You know like the earth, is the ethical dilemma: Lake Easy Easy: it I'd ethical along with the idea, or is it even more unethical to talk

we reject these people's deeply held spiritual beliefs, it, oh god, complex aside I and many people listening today have been in situations where you in a strange place and you are encouraged to participate in a ritual that might otherwise field. Appropriation. If you, if you would if it were not made explicitly clear that these people, this community, wants you to be a part of this thing. They want you to do this it even They think it's hilarious, that you really bad at doing the thing, which is happened to me a couple of gibes if you, if you care to breast people,

Just try to be endearing about it, and then you ll feel at least get a pity pass. The third thing that the Prince, Philip Movement is considering, which I think could be immensely powerful, is starting a political party niece. Could if you I'm just thinking out loud here, but this could do a number of beneficial things from the people in these communities. I would. I would have liked in that they will have a special unilateral relationship with the United Kingdom that might help with infrastructure that might help with You know menacing aid as required, especially Ocean levels continue to rise, so I think that I think there could be something good that comes from them, Four anybody's listening to the segment whose thinking yeah told. I want a religious movement Based around me, many who doesn't sure but principle,

had had a really easy terms of a lot, other called superb. Now they are movements built around a person. As you know, a very cold leader. The thing is late. Neuron call all this so you get really big you have to like you, don't get it saw do crowd were constantly, can never stops That is why that's why we got out- and I game so way- better while you were so, it establishes is that there may be a religious meant forming a political party. They would represent. I guess Tana, autonomy, then they would have a special role asian ship with the UK, I'm just joining the whole Hawaii scenario. The dock holiday did such a good job oh yeah yeah, I was ass. It were special relationship goes bad really quickly.

Yeah I mean that's, that's it that's impossible. Hopefully, is far less likely in twenty and twenty one, but there is a jog from movement is essentially a one sided silent in the prince. Philip movement is on the other side of the same island. The John from already started a political party, so there, you're, following in some footsteps here, I'm just I am torn about this idea. I think you might have fallen I as life green gene or, worse changing news, but this is an excellent example. Of what we always say and have said for years. The stories don't stop when the headlines stop, when the new cycle moves. Are there very real people who going to going to feel the consequences for the memories of the death of Prince Philip generations to come. I would love to.

Is it not a lot to me? It's on my list of remote islands to visit blights. I'm not I'm not sure how to how to handle. This is where I wanted to refer to our fellow conspiracy realised. What do you think is the ethical thing to do if you found yourself in a situation like this, let's see travelled abroad to remote location. You met him. People needed some stuff. Back to wherever you normally live, and then years or decades later find out that you are now a messianic figure how you. How do you navigate that in a responsible way? Let us know what three three SD data be widely Kay indeed. I her radio dot com, we're gonna, take a pause for were from our sponsors and we'll be back with more strange, newts, visible of stuff, they don't want you to know is brought you by doktor pepper. You heard that right those

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the very clearly didn't wanna be found. Neither the reporter who tracked him down had to go to great lengths to fight and even as early as then we were talking about the ramifications of something like this. What the software purports to be able to do is just like a like. You know: facial recognition, software on steroids. They ve mind you and it's all a product again of all this amazing information on ourselves that we just pump out into the ether for any want to grab or a scrape is the term. That's used one of the supply to like software bots. I guess it goes through it literally to grab up all of this stuff. That's out there all these profile pictures all the any kind of you know, image associated with people's pub The available social media accounts and, and and more and the thing the differentiated, clear view is that there is a mast through just do now. God knows how many hours are now even break that down of scraping this

Data? Just an insane library of faces the veil then able to supposedly cross reference to information about the people's actual identity. Air idea behind this is that it's a tool that's going to revolutionize law enforcement in our for tracking down engineers and criminals, and things like that of course immediately. The conversation goes the way it always goes when it comes to some kind of you now. Only use it this way technology. Then it's like even veto. You know a shirt. Only for law enforcement, and so a radar detectors, and anybody you know, can get your hands on one of those or like taser or any other thing that supposedly proprietary when it starts eventually makes its way into the public domain and is problematic because How reliable is this technology? Is it creating false positives

you know. Do we really want to put this much faith in some sort of third party? You know kind of seemingly fly by night released from those early stories operation. When will they're not fly by night cuz I still around and then making the news again and not the best web. Essentially, there's a couple stories tied to this update, one of which is that Buzzfeed NEWS reported and uncover that are in the early days of clear view, trying to get some me now momentum. They gave seven, thousand individual people from The two representatives from nearly two thousand public agencies, free trial, memberships, to clear view. I in this is like direct, to them, not even through the agencies, so Buzzfeed, basically creators

trouble table of one thousand eight hundred and three publicly funded agencies and the employees listed as having either attested or downloaded. Do you know who signed up for the free trial of this this this tool and that's places? I can state police us immigration and customs enforcement, healthcare organizations, the AIR Force offices of state attorneys in my pot yeah exactly and public schools. So when I was joking sorrows and is a really bad, not joke jerking, you me getting access to clear view. I'm so did get it. No! No! No! That's the point that I think The point is that these invitations are pretty open, ended and then, if you had gotten access to one, you certainly could have gotten, because these invitations went out

without oftentimes the knowledge of the agency's. These individuals worked for and that's the problem, and they all this stuff was havin between two thousand and eighteen and two thousand twenty. And there's the some really good, an article on legacies, Buzzfeed NEWS article where they talk to several folks who got a hold of it. By the way. When asked for comment about this situation, the founder cofounders, Johan Tom thought said it was quote gratified to see how quickly clear view eyes been embraced by: U S: law enforcement, ok, meaning you answer the question be at me and he had no comment on any of the other. Fifty questions that were throwing him during this this press conference, but here whose work is interesting, a guy, a volume of Adrian Williams, is the police chief of wills, and Mills North Carolina, that's hard to say Wilson's mills. He has many males and he said

I found the site on law enforcement website last year. He does found it. I see you are not to be a cop to look at a long portion website. I have an account to see if it, and he said he tested it using his own personal photos just to see what came up eyes and to known persons to see if they came back with any useful info. I did not big. It worked away the ad set at what It's it's strange, though, this comes on the heels of an earlier report. I was just last year where a clear view said, they were no longer going to sell to private companies, no longer cell to LA non law enforcement entities, which is was an announcement in reaction to another piece. By buzz, news somebody buzz the news, is keep it eye on this and if you are listening today, thank you very much four, because we talked about this in our opinion

unclear view. I just pulled up my notes from it. Our efforts were unclear view. I think we do it. Pretty good job, making the case that There are too many problems with facial recognition for it to be legally dependable. I think what a guy I completely agree especially if it's from things like thank you know. Low light to me now Parity cameras are atm cameras and things like that. I mean I would certainly hope you could not convict somebody with that alone knew no yeah. There you said there are so many problems, resolution of the photos that are being uploaded to adhere, because remembering that episode we recorded there is it a journalist who was being interviewed and they put his photos. F in there they hulu yeah they put the paper.

Photograph in and then they found, I think, a picture of it. From some old like geocities, site or myspace, or whatever was of him when he was a little kid so how the facial recognition found him when he's face looks completely different, so I the actual metrics of the facial recognition is needed maybe that's his cane, that's what the founder said of Super sophisticated was able to find you that young age, but really it seems like we concluded even that there's probably some other things that are happening in the background of that search application. Yeah there much still because what we're like it I mean this is proprietary, but what were probably looking at is a pretty robust cross referencing system, so it is an image search by. I wouldn't be surprised if it's also an Each search that recognises meadow data,

in a digital image. The thing problem, don't I went to see the quiet part out loud and its will that more people don't talk about this. The problem with facial, recognition is that it has huge systemic racial problems. Like if you are a black first review, your pretty much any person of color. The majority of these facial recognition programmes have Ellie I likelihood of misidentifying you and yet that just be like oh imperfect technology. Women he's doing are. Indeed, people are trying to prove something works, but when you get laid we will say when you get into the sphere of law enforcement. You're talking about real legal consequence, If there is a world where someone can be locked up or detained based entire he eyed of fish right, mission, then that world needs our facial

recognition technology that actually works and right now that's just that's not the case, not bear I'm sorry. What you're saying too is saying this slight heartedly, because it's so depressing, but its inner you here so. Often the racist notion that all insert raised here look the same. This is literally technology that has that problematic kind of like flaw and it's a thing that police do quite often mistaking a young young black men in a hoodie for another, on blackmail and how you committed a crime you now and not, actually taking the time to ask the questions and find out at that, and really was there. They does. You know, jump to conclusions, MRS Sir, it's just problematic on so many levels. Dimension the company in a kind of circumvent. Am I get it? I guess it's like at first

this free or whatever, and they say there trying to get some buzz about in the law enforcement community. But apparently these folks were actually using it to help them in their law enforcement efforts. Without the note without knowledge of their superior. That's the other aspect, the just further conflict. Like one thing. We know for sure about these powerful investigative tools is that When ever you have a group of people that are allowed to use them, even if only for official purposes, some one inevitably uses it to search for like up so they have a crush I'd or the person they ever grudge, we're through their ex spouse or their girlfriend, or something like that, like this of without oversight in this is dangerous enemy. Now you guys, I want to see in the Supreme Court

a suitcase rise, all the way up to Scotus, where it's in it visual verses, let's say a clear view where there using the algorithm of cyberstalking them see if we can see if we can get a fair their whenever misdemeanor out o the charges against day algorithm. First cyberstalking, this year? I me when easily first, when it is the first Nine physical thing going to be recognized as enough of a of a sentient sword, enough of them mind in court to be liable to legal consequences. So it's a weird question, because it's oddly enough it relay, the idea of legal person. Hood there's been a movement for several years in Germany in other parts of Europe to have animals

higher order. Animals like dolphins were elephants recognised as legal persons, because it the movies to get them recognised, grant them environmental projections, I wonder what would happen. You know if you could take well at first, you have to. I dont think you could take it algorithm d You would have to take the creator of the algorithm. Copyright some kind of a I maybe that's, that's functioning with it- you're right right now, yes, but who knows man? Is the future taken a I'd court sue the pants wait, the you could see the rounded off of a no. Ah, the bite nice joy. What is it that is of amateur, say MR show? I will see the pants off of them and then was seldom pants. I bring. MR show the seminal HBO sketch combination, Mckenna surrealist. He now really

like each one kind of blends in the other one hour, Bob Odin Curtain Dave across because as one of the guys in the cost of that show a dude by the name of J Johnston duellist remarkably like him was fat, was you know, seen in one of the FBI Genome, shoot us a tip. If you see this guy pictures that they were circulating around folks, they participated in the storming of the capital on January Sixth- and it's just funny to me- there is a full view of this guy's face and another one with him in a mass in an definitely books, I come from a lot of people in the companies. You know I have reported that have definitely was yeah. He confirmed it. I think the allocated I messed up, My point is this dude, it's all over tv and has been for like twenty five years. Basing them on the internet hack.

Can nail him with a I've facial recognition. Software doesn't the F B, I have the stuff. Why are they? You know crowd sourcing this international affairs Yeah just makes me question like the validity of facial recognition, software in general, the alchemist savory better you better, give me definitive proof before I believe that man was there doing that thing, make sure it's not deep fake, because it can be that to date. So employed by the other, worrying, shall recognition and deep fake technology are evolving at the same time, at breakneck pace, as so I think we're very were already very close to a world where the deep fake tech can fool or mislead facial recognition, TAT also you can get. We call mask alive esters whereof now that that will disrupt facial.

Recognition technology, I don't have one yet, but I've got some trips coming up I should probably look into that that one coup and the major face looked like like a holiday fire. The sounds pretty cool or like a spooky ghosts, whatever we gotta, you say early demand that I love it. I why I tried to get one immediately, but they were sold out. Oh no yeah. Those things that is great liar. My cats murder, her screaming. Just a second go. My cats hate it. They are not down with it. Like people to have the same face every day, which I think is good. The living in the past, and maybe we think a clear view. I ah we will see more normalization of facial disguise techniques, but I guess I mean I would do I know if I could. I went beyond this Youtube Channel shown my actual skin face. That's crap is all

Reggie strikes again yeah. I really appreciate you bringing this to everyone's attention. No, because we see again legislation he's getting left in the dust, let legislations beat outpaced by technical g and there are quite literally, not law yet for the kind of stuff. This sort of technology can do that's gonna be increasingly important and that's gonna bear increasingly profound consequences in the future. I am I right come. I think it's absolutely founded in reality that opinion in it. It's become something like where there's gonna be a disconnect between you, no federal law and individual innovations or entities, for example the LAPD as Eddie outright bandits use because they already see the problems, so there you are

There is another thing that their several things wrapped up in this is like an injunction there's a lawsuit, that's going on in Europe, basically trying to prevent this ever be used in any way in Europe, but rather big story is that all of these agencies were essentially using it without permission and not to mention the fact that its socks had. Apparently it does not work very well, so yeah, sorry, clear view, I'm afraid they ve drummed up so much. You know height for themselves. By now, edge lording. That kind of slippery slope of police state boundaries can a pan out. I would say I you know, I would say that, one replied to that and will not trained me precious about it is we're talking about a gun that has a bad eight right, but a gun with a bad aim.

It's only a more dangerous god because of that the charge of that problem like this sad doll knife is more dangerous than a sharp one ass. I guess it up here on whether the human fire the gun good aim or not, because if the human has really good aim, but the gun as terrible aim. Then a bullets never gonna hit since target, but if they got terrible aim, the gun has terrible AIM Then you could be in real trouble guard. I don't know what I'd do it? Yolo, let's go. Let's go outside. Let's get, let's get clear, viewed It's happening, whether you like it or not, sir. Gonna keep happening in its language or in your right, bad. It's like you know. You can't put the badger back in the bags. Is already out there and already has been out there are you we see it with Facebook predicting whose in your pictures is that so, and so, whenever we know this stuff exists, is

I'm going to keep getting better the lot of things to catch up. You know it to me. It seems like it's almost like a cheat kind of. I could see their cases where it could be useful, certainly say identifying terrorists who are actively going to be no hurt. People you know in a particular moment place a slippery slope right. You can't use for some things and not other things. Right, I don't know I mean you should be able to use, should be revised, I genuinely watching the new watchmen, the banana new anymore, but the watchman series on each be oh, and it did kind of you now creates this world where police have to hide their faces, because you know just knowledge that someone is police is going to put that police since life in jeopardy, but they have this thing where in order to use lethal force draw your weapon. You have to make a case for it to somebody who than unlocks the weapon for you.

I don't know way where I was going with that, but I may add to me: it's like there should be the ability. Use a tool in the room. Situation, but also now so many safeguards. That is not even worthwhile and it isn't really help anybody. Given the situation in watchmen when the person can unlock has gone in time, you now the moment passes for that to be a useful tool for that individual protect themselves. So it's all slippery, isn't it it's all very slippery let slip and slide Norway and soon ashtray. Well, be right back with another strangeness I have your ear. This is something exciting folks across Pennsylvania, our scratching, the way to all kinds of thanks to pay a lottery scratch off with new games every month, big tall prizes in even second chance drawings. Excitement is always an order, no matter what game you play so get your ticket defined today

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right and we're back years, I've only your work all day, yesterday, do you remember the song wherever I go, where wherever you go I'll, be there waiting for you. I forget, we know we owe you really where again, he soon so that's always been in my head and I'm played it and I didn't I I don't know a lot about music foot this that I didn't really the person who made that songs name is Richard Marks yeah I am randomly I'm so sorry, I really really I ran on. We stumbled into his show in a light the troubadour was sold out and I like made nice with Thirdly, let me in and I why Sir Richard marks as like I just a girl you that was that's absurd discontent There are some positive says to download I was in my head and

Had this epiphany like that guy's name, if you, if you like uses shortened first name. That is unfortunate, well I being near horse, chaos is an opportunity right. Yeah, you know, there's there's a situation like work, your vantage, I to tell you that this whole time I was, I know, we're running- were running a tight ship today. So I try not to China too much, but I told time was waiting with bated breath. As you talked about your ear worm, because I thought this is either really haunting my guy here or this is gonna, be one Amazing! Subway You were there, I do you know who it was. Ok, Israel appears

of left its Richard marks all over the iranian nuclear situation, areas as well as to the man you got it perfect and more if every waste second remaining like eighty percent himself, tell us all about these. Dick Marcella were well. Is it stays in giving weekly breaks? You can come back. You have you need the cattle as ok, no, don't keep it and tell us all about these. Richard marks by IRAN This is very serious, as in territory and that's why I think we're were forcibly making ourselves make light of it. There's there, Space called IRAN in the Middle EAST and there have been a lot of tensions with many many other surrounding countries with IRAN, a lot of it has to do with ideological love, the ideological view

thereon early supersedes view the political de perceived polluted. Intentions of IRAN and these stated intention- of IRAN at times, and they to oppose most of the western world, and especially western powers that have a stake in the Middle EAST in country around IRAN. We ve talked about IRAN him many times The show before I'd recommend some of our other episodes to get primers on that stuff or literally just search surgeon a little bit. You'll find all the stories we're gonna mention right now. It was this weekend when we're recording this the last Sunday there was a quote terrorist attack, reported in IRAN at this place called the natanz complex. This is in IRAN. Its aim is a power plant origin power generation plant to nuclear power generation plant where there are centrifuges, and it's really day,

ass to have a power outage when there is nuclear equipment, being run centrifuges all kinds of other equipment specially dangerous. If it's there She got rods, then, are generating power and and then the surrounding power goes out. We ve seen that before what can occur, I've you know at the Fukushima, isn't the same thing. There is a lot of water that was. There was being dealt with there as well as damage from an earthquake, but any time goes out. You can you know your let your time but back up energy. Situations that are always at least second tier at best. So, let's jumped to sorting out of the BBC just to learn exactly what happened here according to them. The comic Energy Organization of IRAN. The eighty, oh, I said that this incident had occurred on Sunday, He was an involving the nuclear facilities power network. They didn't provide a tunnel.

Formation about what exactly happened. What happened you the power network, but they did say there were quote no casualty. He's or leaks. Hey, that's great. It is a nuclear power facility. Because we know that can be very, very disastrous. Here's a quote. They were, condemning this despicable move. The islamic Public of IRAN emphasizes the need for the international community and the International Atomic Energy Agency to deal with this nuclear terrorism. Again there there rising it as a terrorist attack that occurred on their first within IRAN? Andy also said: IRAN reserves the right to take action against the perpetrators. So that's intimidating all scary and we're just happened. Who the perpetrators are. If it truly was an act by an outside player, let's say a country, a state that does that was not IRAN.

Retreating, yes, yes! Well! Well, I literally disguise email about the offspring right when you said that you know I'm, I'm I'm really You guys, computers with all sorts of surveillance. Stuff back is everything senator email evaluation ring, and then you quoted the hoofs phrasing as an act of terrorism, also we hum the lights, were sorry about this a little bit torrent site display has been in the news recently. I dont know if we talked about this strange news, episode or even mentioned in passing, but it's something that I'm sure we mention to each other. There was a fire this same site. Earlier in twenty two. In July, I believe nothing. It hit the centrifuges them workshops so as they were building up to these new centrifuges that they just they just unveiled them. That

are functioning. They just turn them on. In like ceremoniously and the our went out? Basically, that's what occurred we talked about it. Sir solves I believe, but we we didn't talk about IRAN, air, because a peak into the background here folks for more than a year now we ve got this big list of potential For more than a year there has been one called: What's going on in IRAN and every time I start because I read about this stuff, my free time anyway, every time I start thinking, ok, we can make now, then it will not be me neatly outdated. Some someday crazy habits like I'm good, it's good. We didn't record because if people had asked why we didn't talk about this thing. Maybe one day will be able to do it, but we can't really do it justice. Yet, since there are so many ongoing events in that

you know Nero feelings about this. That site has been targeted for years and it's pretty. Pretty clear who is doing the tart. Yes, we started whole thing with a ridiculous accidental bit about Richard Marks and He made a very you know, and we made a statement about it about a particular country and we said that Israel may have been the culprit in that's because there's been some weirdly public reporting, like statements basically saying saying. Yes, it was Israel that caused this to occur. So, according to reporting coming out of the garden, Israel is apparently confirmed It was behind this. This incident, which occurred in the form of a cyber attack. So that's the way that the power was. I guess mess

with and then shot down as through going through the network network of then Natanz site in is very strange and there's reporting about this coming out, from everywhere from the guardian to the BBC. To U S? U S, outlets, including slate yeah. That's right! Matt! Still there are. There are a number of issues here that come into play. I there is conspiracy of flight, the nurse. RO conspiracies conspiracy theories. One can spheres is on the part of IRAN to have nuclear power whether or not you think that leads to weapons is can be up to your own individual perspective, but the FAO, the matter is that this case It is worrying to a lot of other runs, rivals and enemies, because the Tec,

I'll get you can use to make nuclear power is the same technology you used to make nuclear weapons. It's only a matter of how many times you rents and repeat your. Centrifuge process knee second conspiracy. Is the active conspiracy by Mcgovern if Israel, as well as the? U S, eye, to prevent IRAN from acquiring nuclear power, and this This means that when every you hear about at a time on IRAN's nuclear facilities. However, you feel about them. One of the first things you should do is check on domestic news in the: U S and check on the domestic news in the governor. Of Israel, because I believe that their these kinds of attacks take a

wait a long time to play on. This is not something you come up with on Friday and execute on Sunday there's like. Cover. People planted in these things, different assets and operate is there is a silence. Ongoing battle and we only sure about it in terms of isolated incidents like scientists, gets assassinated right or like there's a fire atta given facility, but these are all part of the same, the same fight and when I heard about the recent disaster in IRAN, immediately started asking some questions myself and digging into this the Current government of Israel was quite supportive of the former. U S president's the handling of IRAN. Right last, you expressed it definitely pulled out of

he arrived Non Nuclear Proliferation deal right. I and the current president, Joe Biden, is changing up the signal she wants. In the? U s back in the deal which the government Israel very much does not want so. There have been positions in the west that these really government is poor. Basically trying to sabotage the situation, escalating pressure such that the? U S will be unable or I should say the current administration- will be unable to we entered ideal or negotiate because Israel sees a nuclear IRAN as nothing short of an existential threat. I obey obey explained that without putting too much opinion and there they think those are the facts to dump that's great in it. Also. We should just mention here that, as you said, look look at that

the news coming out of Israel, because you will see the con. That's a broadcaster there. They I did some unknit, you know they'll do an unnamed source, some and the israeli intelligent sources. The facility was the target the cyber operation in israeli cyber operation than her at scheme. For it and said yes, It was probably in israeli cyber attack. Then it fence analysed at the wider new site said The quota was reasonable to assume that the problem might not have been caused by an accident, but by deliberate sabotage intended to slow the nuclear race accelerated by the negotiations with the? U S, on removing sanctions. Even Benjamin Netanyahu said the struggling against IRAN and its proxies in the iranian armament efforts is a huge mission, so they all kind of started talking about it. Publicly,

is that the new sources, as well as the Prime Minister, Andy Defence, Minister, Pierre? Yes, the thing this attack this most recent attack occurs, as talks between the. U S and IRAN are underway. Indirect talks yoletta, but the these issues, are on the table. So it's also logic. To assume that at least some factions of Israel's intelligence agencies or the overall government. They feel There is a limited window of time in which to act. There is a ticking clock in people's heads at one o clock reaches. You know midnight whatever, then in a very real way, their worst fear may come true. There may be a nuclear armed IRAN and he feared to IRAN They have never stated that they want to acquire nuclear weapons, every single, official internet, save me read from IRAN

they want clean nuclear power strew, it's true and there are pushing for their release stated that they are going to push forward to sixty percent uranium enrichment, despite this other stuff, despite the talks, despite of that, in spite of everything, IRAN's moving forward, at least according the Wall Street Journal and people there, citing so we're just gonna continue watching this whole situation as it and we were joking around about it, but the situation. In IRAN, hasn't really cool down since I've considered myself in adult, so Maybe it will one day and the sanctions are crippling people. That's that's. One of the really needed is an interesting part international relations. Do sanctions count as collective mission. You oughta me are you punishing innocent people just because they have to live in a part of the world,

that's run by a group of people. You personally, don't like her feel are dangerous, another fence. You know because in it situations sanctions are purposely may to only target very wealthy right like him, he put sanctions on rules Royces in North Korea, it safe to say, that's not going to change a pint of people's lives in that country. There will be a handful of people who are very peeled about a thing for sure why having we're gonna leave it here. Everyone, if you know anything about the situation in IRAN, we would love to hear from you. And as well as all the other things we talked about today. Yet shall not specifically to my social media friends. You are in a ride. Your experience in your perspective is invaluable. We would love to. I would purse love to hear more about. This also would love to hear

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