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doozy trying to figure out an entry point into this story was pretty tricky, was Jesse Colts exclamation Mark question mark calls in family strife rights right today, story- takes us to Brazil as we want to start by thanking multiple listeners, including friend, of the show E M w of worshipping us to this very strange case that is currently unfolding allotted. As we are careful when we explore unfolding cases, because the information may change you know any given moment, but we're going to give you the facts as they stand now, you're right, Matt, this story includes family at the harder right here, which is misleadingly wholesome in the sound I'd includes allegations of Colts Gospel government conspiracy in crime. This

the yet unfinished story of floor deletion. Dos Santos, they saucer We are not portuguese speakers, so please pardon any Miss pronunciation, speed bumps here, the name be unfamiliar a lot of our fellow listeners outside of Brazil, so it it's time to figure out how to unravel the gordian knot of grisly crime, let's started the beginning. Do you hear the fact? or anybody was not brazilian who is floor, deletion yeah Florida, lease dos Santos DE by did that ok was Nineteen sixty one in a fella in Rio de Janeiro in that essentially Islam, if any review of the regime. The movie city. You got right kind of in road into the global politics, said the crime, inner workings and also the living situations of this part of the country. Fleur de early life was

by a lot of tragedy, but also kind of the notion of He saves and then being taken in by religion in a very, very transformative way, the age of fourteen she lost both her father and her brother, and accident and she found peace and comfort and solace in church in the church when she was very, very young. Her family was active in evangelical communities and, as a child floor, delete would visit, differ churches, which were referred to in the area. Often is evangelical cults, She was a big part of the. What we gotta get could really describe as gospel. Singing in various church quires. What was much more of that? very kind of highly energetic and almost a form of arrest

Sorry that you, you know, experience worthwhile, like the word of God, is moving through you and song. Yet in Song music within the church really would be one of the biggest defining things in her life. I mean all also as well as the tragedy, also that we we mention there, but the music, is what ends up. Making The story that we are telling you about right now in this weird way, the music takes her on this path to two, where led, really yeah yeah, that's very good point: Matt match She was like many many people of faith. Till she was active in the Avengers illegal movements. She lived a very wholesome life from the outset, I'd eventually, she married she had several children, and she was later tragically abandoned by her husband, but her chair,

it'll work began attracting media attention. I in nineteen, ninety three, when she was thirty, two years old she began conducting social work programmes to assist impoverished drug users, Drug abuse bein a euro, a huge problem in a lot of low income areas of the world, not just Brazil, and is she met wine Anderson though Karmu de Sousa We go on to marry Anderson. There is way to this story, but just remember those facts. For now there was also a market age difference. Floor deletion was sixteen years older than Anderson. You know no judgment, a lot of people. Have beautiful relationships with age differences rate and she reached another credibly unusual milestone that same year is she adopted children. And you know a lot of us in the audience today. We

are maybe adopted ourselves or we have adopted children or we know someone who has- and we know it. It can be a tremendously difficult process right. I think we talk about foreign adoptions to in the past briefly, but what made what we'd floor deletions adopt in process so unique unless you didn't adopt one child, the you know, maybe siblings or something she adopted. Victims of a tree many children whose families were killed in a major incident there in the fellow where she lived, and there were thirty seven children that she adopted. Thirty live that you have you heard that correctly thirty, seven, all at once, by the way, there's a strange note there right a little bit of a disco, new in our song or spiralling one opinion

familiar, you become with the story. It didn't stop there as of to day twenty twenty the floor. Dullish has a total of four biological children and more than fifty adopted children. She did not stop at thirty seven. This this massive Adoption was seen as an unbelievable, almost superhuman active charity. It catapulted her into the public eye as one of the kindest most wholesome people in the country, and now there is even a- based on her life, the english title is floor. Devilish aid takes, but one were to change Moscow alma Pahlavi pardon me doc. It's also like it, sir starring a lot of very very big names in Brazilian sent us sheet is absolutely a Household name and story would resonated in the same way a story about like a man

celebrity or political figure here in the United States would have so was like a big deal over there, but we just really get any of that over here is something we had the kind of do a lot of digging for it's interesting, yeah. Think about that a woman who decides to take on the lives of all of these children to support them. To be is the mother to them. Right. I mean that's incredible and and she is continuing to do that. You can totally imagine why that part of her life, that that's story in her life is worth making a film about that dahlia. Acting as an inspiring thing. If that's all you know one hundred percent, and yet this is. This is comparable in some ways to it to the full enjoyed by mother Teresa in a hurry David for the the abuse witnesses came out, you're right, nor about the-

actors. These are brazilian a list stars the kinds of people who make millions as actors. Many of them refuse to be paid for their performances because they thought they were doing a kind of a good deed. Amidst bye, bye, bye, spread the story of this is legendary grace. You know this near think we action and the profits from the film which did quite well. I went to see port, her enormous family, and so now here we are. If we're her, we have achieved a. We, we have, at the very least, become one most popular well known. People in Brazil all of Latin America. We finally have enough money to buy a new house. What's what's next and all of this led to

well she's got this almost saintly kind of profile in in her in her country, and all of this leads to a very high profile and fascinating multi. Tiered career, there were even talk a little bit more about after one quick sponsor break hey. It's Laura was her. You may know me best as a divorce attorney and the founder of the online divorce service. It's over easy, I'm Johnny Rains, and this is the it's over easy podcast all spare. For me, the aspect of merit that troubling is that it's a contract, that's governed by stay, and I don't want to stay to have control over my personal affairs, but anyone in the world who might be able to convince me, otherwise it would be our guest today welcome to all sphere Marlowe Thomas and his excellent fell down here. What

So I was talking to somebody the other day. Marilla amazed told me that, before fill you dated Henry Kissinger and David Gaffin, is this correct while I, what the dinner with them. Let's say that: ok, all right, fine, all speed, with Laura Wasser on the ice radio up or wherever you get. Your pot casts and work as we are talking about before the break, either with the floor. Italy is almost pain. Already this, of legendary status. These you know a lists, Brazil, in actors are saying no, I refuse to take any salary. I want to do this service in a two, this amazing human being to spread the word to tell her story. You really, pilgrim had been very much a mother Teresa type figure. So this the film is, is an absolute blockbuster in Brazil. She then

uses that and notoriety to pursue her her first love, I guess, after God, would have been singing about God, gospel, music. She already has this kind of captive audience. This is fan base, as she just wants to grow even further, and she does just that because she is basically this cult of personality. At this point, I am she's this absolutely curative culture personality end? Should you wish wait till the end of this episode, but should you wish you can find her music on Youtube and unified or albums on Spotify strongly advise you wait for the rest. The episode before you make that decision, but she is she sure alone in her rise to fail, because her husband Anderson was no. No sit at home kind of guy right, now now use out their path

The pavement for the Lord is well yeah, an enormously successful, Angelica pastor you can, read a little bit more about the rise of the angelic movement in the Atlantic. The great article called the rise of the brazilian angelic goals that gives the gives a good sense of the cultural context, but for for our purposes day just picture Anderson as me, one of the most famous religious figures in your part of the world right living religious figures I mean- is that quite the pope, of course, but he is here, someone that is very well known if you weren't Angelica in Brazil are very much aware of this man, the he and his wife Are a country wide power couple right, but things are things are getting weird behind that things are definitely and weird. I hereby way I imagine Anderson as Robert tilted.

A few member that guy. But that's u I imagine him. As in my head, I don't Many of you know who Robert tilted his he became famous for his compilations or compilations, or made of him where he, where he fled police alive, but he's not really, but it's the fighting for if you don't know, that is the real aim of writing preacher than your Jan back in that yeah, but Robert tilting is a real Peter any real, evangelical guy, I'm just imagining this guy, as that is pretty it might not be a good one to one. But that's what I've got in my head Pisa watching? What does it? Kid currents really weird stuff is he is the farming as part of his stickers is having the biggest video catching him. You know he's not actually tooting. There's, no there's no tuning, plus a better just something the internet made her any. Sorry, this is how people know him. I guess now so the prom here is you ve got you ve got several avenues of money

for this family right, you ve got anything it's like coming in from that movie that was made. You ve got Anderson's stuff, going on over here with the even local church of all the money. I guess the money that comes in tax free for all of that, then you ve also got her whole career as a singer right, there's money coming in there, you got really three may. Your tears of money, I'm swimming, there's other stuff, do with real estate or other things that we just don't know about Bower, pretty we're not pretty soon but Anderson really starts grabbing the reins for all that stuff. He starts taking over all of the family finances and in a lot of relationships, controller finances can become your issue family. It became a very big problem. No kidding yeah, I mean Financial imbalance leads us to the prom

bloom of the hierarchy and consent right can someone consent to one who controls them. Can they truly do so that suited to Hugh problem with human society and its compounded when the stakes this high, I would add one more income stream, which would be non its related donations to the family. But those are yes, those remaining consistent, it'll soup,. Anderson is not just taking control of the family finances he's also taking control in a way he's eased almost fighting a cold war with lower Denise over the over like things, some was the shores in the house over the decision making process for the family and this

small army of Children- and we want to play it. That's that's that happening behind the scenes, but if you're the average brazilian at this point, it still hunky dory. You know what I mean. Mother Teresa, got married and these two Growing up they're doing well what separation. This fame, this religious base and the secular fame in music became a wonderful avenue into politics, there was a calculation here and flourish first ran for City council position in two thousand and four there. She ran for me oral position in two thousand and sixteen and in two thousand nineteen very recently to give you a sense of how the story develops. She was elected to the federal Congress. Rio. She was things, get two hundred thousand votes, she's commonly referred

the brazilian media as the most devoted woman for Congress? meaning that she was the most popular candidate there and there absolutely no denying that her religion background for cherry work, all played a role in this election. I mean, if you had the chance to vote for someone, you genuinely believe was the nicest person Post Jesus Christ. How could you not or Brazil is also like infamous for having one of the most corrupt political systems like on the planet. Apparently there are so many people that just like use their vote as a protest vote and make up like joke candidates, because the kind of now status quo is so corrupt and everybody knows it. They don't even want to participate in it. Like, I think in the fifties, blue rhino, got more the popular vote for like a city council position in Sao Paulo but obviously couldn't be elected, because you know it's a black right now,

It makes sense to your point, ban that someone like this would be just seen as a beacon of lights in such a veto. Rotten and corrupt system. Then we ve got a quote here from camera. Dot. L e g d be are website here, it's tomorrow. Those deputy in it's just a quick quote from her when she was elected and read that to you right says: I will fight for the family for life. For the woman. I also want to look for resources for the community's for the construction of sports courts in areas at risk. I will fight for, children and adolescents to have an occupation and the traffic does not break them now that has gone through Google translate and it is not perfect, but you it leads to get a sense in English of what she's fighting for, and you can see that

you know those are values that I think a lot of us would want to support on the if you are going to go into voting booth and cast your vote for somebody that maybe you identify with I disagree What are you going to vote for the monsters in the race there? I mean it mind me of the way that so many sketchy I later governments institution These initiatives always have these innocuous benign names like proud for a new american century- or you know, children in puppies plain incorporated the lists its calculated right? Do you you would feel like a bad person if you didn't catch that vote. Perhaps it's have an appeal to two emotion and it's quite effective when she becomes a federal deputy.

For the state of Rio De Janeiro and at the time of this recording early September. She technically retains this position today. Unfortunately, as so often happens in life, she met with triumph and disaster in a one in each hand, same here. Twenty nineteen, her husband, the oven, EL, the leader Anderson was found, murdered, police began, investing eating. His body was found as you euro. He had been clearly returning home on the night of June sixteenth, the family claimed that understood, had been murdered in a botched raw Marie Attempt- and this is perhaps

where our story actually begins. Here's where it gets crazy. So the the police are very well aware from this woman is right: they they think the same did very there, the same kind of public image burned in their minds as everybody else, but they have to do their job. So begin investigating and that's when they just over some bizarre facts who talked about that age difference earlier, there's a reason that fidelity is sought sixteen years older than her husband. You see before he was her spouse. He was her adopted son. I believe we need a don't, don't dawn sound, you there and that's like the the twist in the movie, yeah. Maybe that's the sequel for the two thousand nine film before the two married Anderson also dated one of

one a floor. Jealousies is other children. Biological child named Seymour, rights when Simone and Anderson broke up, Anderson and floor dailies began dating then so police also found the before adopting that total of fifty one children floor dailies had a smaller family of about seven children, the older kids, biological, kids and the first five adopted kids were considered. The. Kids that that's thinking for a second year and then, if you got an aid scheme, you got you gotta have a b team and though that's what the other kids were considered, the bee kids, the acres go to certain they had like free run of the house. Basically, he had all the privileges the other kids were confined to certain parts of the house. They also receive better food.

The younger children were given nothing but scraps in the b, the bee, kids, old pasta, yeah, now, stale, bread stuff like that that you would probably typically feed to like the dog or or toss yeah, and this important people were not aware of this hierarchy outside of the family for a long time. This is what witness- you're talking about when they see that the public image did not match the practice in private. Reportedly, the parents kept so many children s kind of a marketing ploy and a source of income, so it perhaps not as altruistic ass, it appeared to be, in the media are one deputy involved The homicide case is said that the money from the ministry was

directly used to maintain, though fisheries to which this individual had become accustomed birth rate. And there is one other thing here, but you know what it's if the next quarter, We must stop and we're gonna save it until we get back from this next break and will tell you why This very strange situation, as were beginning to see, had come to shape, it gets weirder and there may have been, as we said at the top, some kind of colt going on here will tell you right after this break we reject any body, was siblings, knows that The feeling of favouritism is a horrible thing, even if it's just a kind of a narrow

We ve made up in our own minds. This is real favouritism. When this was dangerous the allegations of abuse, but there were also first hand reports. I witness reports, delegations of a cold the following material may not be suitable for all listeners. One of these signs adopted by the couple told the media. In the nineteen nineties, he was forced to undergo and initiation process to become a member of the family. It was icily locked in a room dressed all in white. He was on always subsistence, diet of vegetables and rice. He said that he will other children using their blood to write psalms in religious rights and. Eventually the he was forced to undergo a pure,

occasion ritual this purification ritual was there was sleeping with, as adopted mother, Twist number two year, yes, a rough one in again, as these are alleged things right. That certainly is an issue. We don't believe these children- and you know younger adults who there under doesnt have overcome for seeing these kinds of things, but They are alleged at this point we have to do. We have to keep that in there just show you here and, as you said, Balin Savage others is an ongoing story. So aware reporting. What we know based on things that have been that have come light thus far and it is developing. So more of this will

confirmed or or what what whatever it was, is gonna be more information is gonna come out, I, in the coming months and and beyond the fog of war, ripe statutes for a battlefield If this stuff is true, it has the makings of a cult and we are typically on the show. Pretty pretty full with the sea word, because one person's colt is eight other persons, deeply held religious belief system. So we have to be careful with this, but it does. It does seem pretty whole like there were other strange religious rituals. Bizarre sexual rights, yes of all kinds, I just want to bring up our past discussions of courts in one of the primary ways to identify cold is whether or not there are people being targeted for recruitment who are at the lowest levels.

On their lock right there that they are not doing well, they have nowhere to turn to, and then the colts or the organs nation reaches a hand out and says, hey we're here, for you, us be the ones who who take you in, and you know I can't see sure that's what happened with all those children that were taken in by by the family early on, but my goodness I mean who wouldn't be better to be sure, aped, mind and body everything buddy younger people who lost their families That is a really good point their this reminds me: can you you're going? We do we did construct our guide, a check list, for the defining characteristics of a cold check out our video you two dot com, slash conspiracy, stuff. This Dutton as you mentioned this mad. This does take a lot of the box.

Is that we mention in a video deprivation, the material goods and sleep task that you can never quite accomplish to these satisfy action of your superiors. Rule of sexual relationships that a big one in colts then also physical abuse euro. For deletion was known to keep up Was alleged to have a baseball bat and she kept handy to hit the children, usually the bee kids, that she found misbehaving her by ethical daughter, Simone, was kind of an overseer and used spy hear me just it's just it's so disturbing and that again. That is all happening here, but the other thing is the thing we mentioned it. Top of the show- a murder, the husband, was murdered in just before jump into the and unfolding events, having re known what went down over the course of a couple days. There

wanted to mention something that I am not proud of: aid for Long time would frequent. The website live leak, dot, com, snuffing against livelihood. An organizational knew anything about you live weak, not talking to to you in any way, but the content is posted. There is often very good Leslie or something I dont want to watch, but almost almost feel like. I have to watch. Sometimes and whenever we reporting on something where there is a video that the news Show- or you know, some of their organization won't put up in post or reapers. Lively generally is gonna. Have it and one thing there's there's one type of video that posted there. A lot and eat is robberies that occur in and around Rio. Rio De Janeiro a lot of times it. They are attempted robberies as vehicle is coming home to their house and

generally gates of massive generals, It's not your for every home, but if there is a gated area for that home, many of these video feature someone's trying to get into that gate or stopping from closing or ambushes someone just as its occurring at just one. Put. That in your mind, as a very common, not extremely comedy, is not going to paint the entire city region, Rio de Janeiro replace like that, but it is an unfortunate side effect of having vast inequality existing in such close quarters in a city and its also its appointed possibility of what happens next rang, and why about the here yeah, so the police, investigation. It starts with a tragic but plausible events and police. That things were, as we alluded to earlier, not well in the house. You know when the cameras were,

often when always doing interviews, things were pretty. Article leading up to the day, all the homicide again. On June sixteenth Anderson, You see, wanted a divorce floor deletion against this need, for several reasons, first, financial reasons this would create pandemonium in the family because, if they split it, fifty fifty think about it. This way, I Anderson would get fifty percent of the family fortune and then body else, probably waited for deletion. The acreage everybody else would have to split the other half between fifty plus people. That was a non starter and then the second reason is: we have to consider this carefully. Crafted public image adult Worse would be a terrible, terrible look for such a highly regarded religious family and their quotes from of Florida. The self same? We can't divorce

would be scandalous to God, so, with with that noted, does feel that ITALY. Tonight, because I was an internal explanation to some of the adopted children. It feels like me there's some genuine belief there. In terms of villages values, but it hard to square with the leader they hate so outside of the divorce, the detentions, the that were existing there between Florida, Leash and Anderson to copy the Campo. I believe Anderson there was some our family tension, going on between some of the children and Anderson, the Father right, the father of the family. In its. You know this stuff, the reading, specifically the ink

sources. I, our british, I believe, the ones that we're looking at BBC the guardian- that's mostly where I'm look yet sources for this. But there are stories We're coming out about It is going down about perhaps what the what Sir officials to know some law enforcement officials, but its a bit tough to know it, actually worse than the sum of the information is coming from will you whenever we can tell you like more specifics, but here's here's the story that we know as of right now what is the September ninth today, the timber knife, twenty twenty. Apparently Florida, leash and one daughter, Simone were attempting to poison Anderson prior to his death several times look the stories, their elite items. Actually serve. There were some weird

things going on with internet searches with Simone, where she even looking up how to use were they talking cyanide? I think cyanide. It's it's strange to see peoples, internet searches, stuff like poison, is legal sad where to find you know, authorities if you're out there don't ever look at our internet gosh. I think about that. Every time you every time hopefully, changes ownership or we get a new idea personally. Have, I always think, just for a second should send them an email, or should I let this surprise someday something, nay, they uncover Org ethically it's about the journey but you're right there,

also, there are also a lot of sexual tensions, because B, B Importunate person who talked about the purification right was not the only person. The only child sexual loved, allegedly a with the mother and Anderson himself apparently was also known to sleep with some of the other adopt children from the other adopted in biological children were also involved. Sexual. With one another year the earning there's some weird I've going on there again. Like then said all allegedly same with the poisoning, but one one story that come out of that poisoning just before he jumped back into two for the other stuff, is that of the target, at least according to story was always Anderson to get rid of this father figure, but a toy

of people in the family. Multiple people in the family ended up getting poisoned. On in all of these are several of these. Various attempts were of their poisoning food right. That's that's how it was done, something those be consumed and then a ton of other people in the house, and somebody else ends up having little bit of that poison in getting very sick, but not dying. So as you said earlier, Matt, it is completely plausible, if tragic for a robbery of this type to occur and for a homicide. Two results, however, this worry makes national news, because it is incredibly unusual for federal Congress. Persons house to being murdered in cold blood again. Consider the fact this is this is essentially the murder of a celebrity. You know the

odds are that the robber, while the odds, are pretty good that the robber, who remembered name, may be if they got a good Look at this person. They would have no who they were robbing, and even if this person was unaware of who they were robbing. The method in which Anderson was killed is is unlikely in that scenario. So just think about all these things- we continue down the path here, yeah in when he was quoting quote, robbed and murdered on June, sixteenth story became a massive sensation, the murder of a federal Congress. Persons partner was huge deal, the news and social media absolutely ran with it, and released in an interview during the funeral, wept openly and begged for for justice to be done for hers.

Husband, brazilian media, was absolutely on fire with increasingly sensationalist claims, there was all kinds of solution little details coming out of the woodwork things like allegations of swingers clubs were were kind of frontal centre for a time. The story, and it became less of a big deal, a sort of fizzled, till that is this year when police finally got a break. In the case they access the phone records of Anderson's, immediate family and found out pretty shocking things yap than part of the reason. This investigation continued is because this person the celebrity, because they were also in a relationship with a prominent political figure in a prominent religious vigour of euro. That hard to The matter is that a person's standing in society has age for men,

to influence on how deeply crimes against them are investigated. That holds true, for almost every part of the world that's right and he was shot twenty to thirty times right. Man rolling in the groin legs are at all. Those things up! That's why the case kept going- and this is important if grisly new, because imagine, if you were robbing someone an and you threaten them with a gun, and you you discharge or firearm, I you would you say this was from a shotgun by the way, would you stay long enough to discharge their firearm that many times or would you a tail it so that you were not apprehended their obvious. Question simply in the method of the murder here and, as you said, noticed,

instigation eventually shakes something loose. Law enforcement accesses the phones Anderson's immediate family and then what dark revelation after another falls like dominoes all of those kids that we mentioned earlier were in on it. Conspiracy to murder Anderson, at least that's what the police believe they are she used of doing that. I the knee all were on board with this apparently again The upper echelons of the family and the people who pulled the trigger multiple times, we're not just random robbers of first one of the adopted children named Florio Plato is is apprehended for this, and

He said you know if he is the one is suspected of actually shooting Anderson and he turned and said that his adoptive brother Lucas is the one who purchased the firearm. So this shows us who takes the issues as first off multiple actors in the homicide and, secondly, It shows coordinated planning. You were where we had enough time now to think about this murder that we real Is it smarter to put some distance between the person who purchases a gun and the person discharges it because enact gap in that chain of custody? There is the perfect opportunity to say well. My gun was stolen. Exactly again. You go back to those phones and keep in mind. You know, even if your thinking about it for you, if you use a cellular device, any kind of smart device whatsoever,

you do anything to communicate with people no matter how normal, how benign nowhere, salacious. That communication is it doesn't matter. If you like what you do to that That information is there and authorities can access it if you ever get apprehended for any reason or another or if they just decide they want to look. Your phone for one reason or another when some moans phone one of the children was looked at, it showed very explicit searches for poison, like we're mentioned at the top it. It was poisoned specifically That would what do we say was been asylum cyanide. Something about how how much Sinai you somebody or forget exactly what I was travelling abroad, Brazilians ridge, weather legal, to buy it and and

and this was explained by by Simone as an attempt to help figure out what its sickened neighbours pet, a dog sued. This. Again, this is a attempt at an alibi. I don't want to be glib here, but first don't kill people don't plan a crime. If you do that, if you do, what two research, something for any reason that you do not want people to know about later, then he sake puts put some time into. Browsing, a library or something because this this kind of stuff is available to us unlike his dead man, it was very easy to follow the breadcrumbs here into Do you wanna Committee home, use your phone you?

Make sure you log into Google and withdrawal of Asia's Google Yea area. Please please do that. This is this is this goes back to our earlier covers which is a true story about our our very strange search histories, our work, computers and probably on our phones as well. I know about you guys, I'm always reading something about this kind of stuff. The way, though, I was thinking about We took a little break off area. I took a essentially look at my search history again, troubling things like brazilian religious, called and then there's other stuff like that, the case law of the Ottoman Empire. It makes you can judge their arms, and so you know throws elements history- and there are so They'Ll- think, look even guess is made of it, but neither pod, castor, rotate, yeah, just type, I'm just

I cast her misery like every two days when I you're right, they did find the stuff that explanation, as you can imagine, did not completely satisfy law enforcement. All it all. Up to this point, eleven people, gonna end up being arrested in relation to this homicide, and there is cinematic movie moment here these aspects because they have not been convict. These aspects are rounded up in something called, operation, Luke Twelve, and in that You know four years I have deferred to your local knowledge. So why school and on here. Why would they? Why would they call it that I loved our high drama of the name, but I'm

ring is apropos. Relying on me for biblical information is your first mistake, but our role where they hear spent some time. In some churches own. It's a reference to Luke Twelve, which is in the new testament chapter of Luke, and in this moment like in a lot of the new testament books. Jesus directly address is his followers write. His his disciples whether weather, had seen the twelve major ones or just other people who were into what he saying in this case is talking to his disciples. Any says this: there is nothing concealed. There will not be disclosed or hidden. There will not be made, on what you have said in the dark will be heard in the daylight in what you have whispered.

In the ear in the inner rooms, will be proclaimed from the roofs. Gotta, say great job blood forced me to find a bible verse that that connects to this case and really tells this we what was happening here, there's something there's. There's one note about that. I'd like to make! no wonder the power role of religion in this case, I'm wondering if someone on the law enforcement side was up until the point. Murder themselves, it'll a follower Georgia's vans right or drinking appreciative of what they're doing right I can. There are probably numerous people in in law enforcement have felt that way about about that family, especially after that movie. I think that change the hearts and minds of a lotta people rights, and so

The scandals continue to unfold to other children in the family are arrested on an unrelated charges of domestic abuse and drug trafficking. Things are getting increasingly disturbing and ugly here, What about the person that nor mentioned earlier? What about fleur de self weeping holy? interview at a funeral for her deceased spouse begging for justice to be done Where does she square into this? Well, police. Believe that you, as you said earlier, please believe that she was the force behind the murder that she was the the brain behind the trigger ripe and she is neither twist- was not arrested, MRS Fascinating another part of talk to the of the show, possibly what leads to them

Gillian political system being so corrupt in Brazil, a Congress person can only be vented Tivoli arrested to avoid the destruction of evidence, for example, if caught in the act so there they have this thing. They're called parliamentary immunity which Floor Delhi's holds and I was reading some some articles about this and about the brazilian political system, and you know there's this and that this loophole has the potential to attract people. That intend to do crime to these political because this literally like immunity from from any prosecution directness, have pushed for her kind national status to be revoked by thus far no go on that.

Yeah, I remember, were still pretty early in the stages year, Sir, will see how everything shakes out, but we do have to go back now and slightly alter our advice. We are giving everyone about. If you want to commit a crime, we're just gonna say: go and just get elected If you really want to commit a crime, you'll could occur. What's that old saying? What is it if you want to go to prison for robbery? Rob a bank If you want to get rich for robbery, start a bank, I can't I'm paraphrase Angie. I went on in a little, but we ve been pretty careful to note that these are suspects again, no one's been convicted. We are very care to note that there are allegations evil, one, I witness accounts. There are still allegations until proven in a court of law, but there are some people who don't share that same kind of careful cobby auditing that hesitancy, those people

literally all of the detectives involved in the case that they said you know each can. Rested parliamentary immunity, they pushed for her congressional status to be stripped to be revoked and the investigators publicly stay multiple times that they have zero doubt that of Philadelphia was the ringleader of this conspiracy, in fact homicide. Chief Antonio Ricardo, Nemo Nunez noted, all in all about twenty percent of the family, seems to be involved in this homicide, so. This is certainly something we're gonna have to continue to look at. Hopefully, you know justice whatever, whatever That means in this case will prevail in some way or another, but again we're not. Gonna

for a while, so we're gonna keep looking at it. We ask that you keep looking at it too. Just you know if you find something interesting, let Us Oh, if you hear anything, let us know if you're in Brazil, especially and you speak Portuguese and your able to read some of the initial reporting coming out with some of the first, the primary dogma nation that's coming out. That would be huge for us because we have, to rely a lot on translation and reporting from western sources. I will just put that out. There, but the biggest question we have fervour everyone listening is what what do you think about all of this? everything was going on with his family with the way money was made by them by this incredible story that orderlies had. Let us know you think, above all, the fact that there is only more then that initial movie about for deletion it will be coming out. This is gonna make for

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