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bright there from you a boost to psychic powers and government conspiracies history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn. stop. They don't shoot a production of. I hope we Hello! Welcome back to the show my name is met, my name is no. They call me back. We are joined, as always with our super producer, all mission control deck and, most importantly, you or you are here- and that makes this the stuff they don't want. You to know, strap invokes. This is gonna, be a wild ride going back to something that is concerned. Sometimes a third rail in the world of conspiracy more the eye. dear! That sinister forces insert your favorite here for

assassinated President John F Kennedy and possibly later his brother Robert Kennedy? This conspiracy looms large and it's a question. People Bill asked themselves in Twin twenty one! We this because on personal social media and on the show social platforms and emails him phone calls. We get this question a lot who really killed. President J F K the first part of a two part episode, don't worry. Both parts of this series are chock full of conspiracies both imagined and get this rare get to say this at the top of the show, Spirits, he's imagined and real. So before we jump into the facts here. Do Matt know we all listen back to some of our earlier episodes on this did one in twenty seventeen. We do want a few years before any

case, we were working with the facts with the facts we had it here. And but we didn't go quite as deep as we're going this time. So I wanted to ask you guys what what stood out to you? What are you? What are you recollect about our previous explorations the first thing is that in twenty thirteen we were all excited that in twenty seventeen humans would be released. disclosure all over again right sight, o A treasure trove of truths, coming from government the benevolent government to shed some light on this mystery. Oh yeah, and we also noted the numerous documents had been released over. You know: The assassination, since in the nineteen Seventy's win, some of these rules came place the laws were put in place that documents would be released, then again to listen and twenty seventeen, which feels like a lifetime ago. You guys we were excited that many documents have been released, but there

still some that are being held on to write. in man and Like some other shoes, we actually read these documents right, not just think pieces about them I so you can, if you listen to. those shows in some of the other mentions. We do in things like an hour of k, episode or some of the Youtube stuff we done. I that was just kind of I followed our shock see was the slow decline in optimism because it's very much a jam tomorrow. Jamie Saturday, never ever jam today, and it's been that way since that one thousand nine hundred and ninety two law that you're alluding to Matt, where the CIA was charged with, eventually carve yacht, etc classifying some of these things, they matter a part of the episode to as every kind of like the moon, the plight of like professional red doctors, who have to cut through

with the black highlight or pen, it is the opposite of eyeliner away with a low, lighter ice cube. You should go to rejecting pen, because this is like a big black. You know thick marker and it is going to town on those bad boys in an Matt. You made the excellent point that, while this is obviously very tedious task that parliament wish our worst enemy is incredibly important and these people have to be worked with a pretty high level of precision Otherwise you know things could get through. That could be very bad for the government and they do they very much. Do in their Crawford's referencing that has to occur in that process. Right, like the number of other documents, you ve got to make sure that this one sentence or this one word, doesn't it infringement, write- something that's going on over here. No, I can't remember way was there was something I was reading adds its stuff to look back through the

the years here, but there is something I was reading and I came across a page that was so heavily rejected. I, u not, there were to honour adapted words on there, and I one of them was the word Tuesday that's somebody went through with that highlighted again painstakingly cross referenced everything and they were like. I think we can say it's Tuesday. Deb way. One of these reject all thing whether This seems like almost like a troll had Galileo, yet William Tuesday yeah yeah, because Sometimes there are government mandates that say you have to release the documents right so, but they don't say you have to release them in full. They don't say, You know how they must be released and a lot of ways in law. They say it was the impose restrictions such as not creating an identifiable threat that was thou. Most recent one. This is

We're gonna get into this conspiracy. Theory is a political pegana, pine p. Of all ideologies who believe some version of it and they all agree. maybe not on the specific, but they all agree that there's something fishy about the official story, something fishy about the officials whatever leave it and we're gonna leave it there's something fishy about the above the story about that here are the facts and we need to set this up cause. It's gonna be important, they conspiracies that are afoot as we speak. Someone have you believe. First, J, F K, thirty five, state of the United States in office Nineteen sixty one nineteen sixty three is only fly these three years old, when he gets elected, which we know for some Conspiracy, realist in the crowd that sounds very, very old, but you'll get there. The sooner than you think yeah.

here, he was set up for success. This is something that is, unfortunately, very, very, very common in american politics. Here the sign of privilege, this was not a guy who was staying up at night, worried about the light bill worried about his next meal is old Massachusetts, but out of a silver spoon firmly implanted in mouth situation. Chess. but I only had the walk away You know I can't do it, I'm going stealing king, that's two main I was going. You know what I like that I like the hybrid King Kennedy lives there as as is befitting of of the silver spoon situation, Kennedy graduate from Harvard, in forty and they join the Navy and he did make wait a name for himself as a leader during wartime, specifically in nineteen forty three, his boat was attacked and actually sunk by a Japanese

lawyer and he was able to lead the survivors to safety and that that is a thing. A yo yo you can. You can say what you will about coming to replace a privileged like that. He did. I have to join the Navy, I mean so many people join the military join the Navy, because they dont have privilege because they need. You know the the fund that comes with that are lacking the ability to pay for college like that, he did it specifically because he's a patriot and he became a war hero was really really great way in paired with the privilege to politics. Why there stood to know what some of our fellow conspiracy rulers have to think of me, I have to say about that. Just below joining up going off as your school were. What do you know the training to be an officer immediately I'm getting into said military service. Unlike what that would look like in this case, the fact was serving on about during work

I'm an was able to physically lead people to safety. Totally, that's that's! That's up there. It ok, here's the thing go and call me a cynic if we must but it's easy to imagine that this was part of a longer play. He all right. family was well established in politics, I don't think it's unreasonable to a man in a conversation between John, Father Joseph Kennedy Senior, where Joe was saying one day a you gotta, be president asked not why you can do for the Navy or what the Navy can do for your political career and I'll be damned. If area Prescott, bushes, kids, get there before you late now, even it could clearly certainly plays into that trajectory. But you know we also Oh some president's that do you know, got out of military service due to a spurious

what say that does the conditions report right off? yeah, and so he still is still relatively young. At this time I want to make sure we mention who was born in Brooklyn Massachusetts in nineteen Can t may twenty ninth whatever his aims, work and it's difficult to ascribe motive, of course, but whatever is aims were if we take the patriotism at face value, he quickly use that. he quickly leverage that experience of the war hero into the world of politics first congressmen it was wrapped in the Boston area and by one thousand nine hundred and fifty three he was in the Senate. This guy was very much a rising star in the halls of power. Those folks were already established in the halls of power, whether they TIM, whether they feared him they had very close eye on his future ambitions, and you know I think, to Pretty-

a form outside the world of politics to Doha. He met Jackie Onassis, acre Jaclyn Beauvais, the only Booze yea! Oh yes, and in those same you that he was elected to the Senate, soon. Nineteen fifty three and he was due to this guy. Sometimes we forget: We hear speeches from J F K. He made many many of them over his short time in office as well as a center, but cannot forget, he's a purely surprise winning author, which means he was good with the word written he or at least had a lot of people around him who were excellent with words to help him do that, he wrote a nineteen fifty five book. It's called profiles encourage any while he was recovering from an operation that he had on his back and Missis.

Part of the lure of J F K that we can, I learned more, certainly. I would say I learned much more recently with things like history, which is silly to think about, but in other places, where story of J of CASE back pain like what how his back pain and surgery and everything can lead to maybe some drug use over the years. Back Brace that wouldn't let him duck when the first missed Yet there we'll get in your ear and we have to point out to this side knew for any current or for were president's. Turning into the podcast, be careful folks, because present have a surprisingly dark history of substance, abuse and an people, don't talk about it super often as long as you look you a lot of early american President's were wasted pretty frequently,

the job, and then, if you life is stressful. You know get heavy met for monitoring, but you also have to be able to seem fit lucid and capable in your many public appearances. And perhaps more importantly in you, Nine public appearances or conversations with foreign powers so some time these individuals do get put up on drugs. Medications, one sort or another, as message as it is the appearance, you said, Ben of being lucid, is often times more important than your actual health. As a sitting president. Oh a hundred per cent, and that is a really sad thing, because its homework like who really cares about me. You know. I know I just about like how much of a front can You know like, for example, when Hillary Clinton, I think she did a start,

step or something in public and all of a sudden. There is all this conversation around, oh she's, definitely dying. She's clearly got some sort of like life threatening conditions I think allow. That was also my wrapped up in the fact that she is a woman in the media tends to go after women in that way, more so than men, but is the same with biter maintain honey catch him like you know those at a meeting. It makes like front page news yeah, and there I mean they're hippies is like that for every present especially now in the age of a bit. What is media coverage? you know, you'll see like you'll, see those clips of, think even more recent example you'll see those glimpse of like nineteen eighties peak Businessman- Trump, and then you'll see, you'll see it trusted usually the short Youtube. Video Saigon look at them now you know Garlic? Your feelings, your being a precedent, is super damaging to people on a the goal, emotional, if a solid

based on a social level, but people I want the job so now Jane. is checked, all the boxes is for money. Yes, is he from political dynasty. Yes, did he write a? patriotically book check, Is he married to a powerful socialite check his he, as he quickly progressed from Congress to the Senate, check check so he makes a rotten first. As the democratic vice president in nineteen. Fifty six, it and work out fast forward, for years he doesn't get to give up. Now he is the democratic presidential cannon, in nineteen sixty and there's something so weird and the study of media that please huge role in this Kennedy: had a series of debates with the republican candidate of the time a guy named Richard and Nixon who may be fully.

you're too. Some people through a street name tricky Dick saw before the recalled him tricky dick just call him. You know Richard at that time. millions of people million tuned into this debate in some way, and it was aired on television- was aired on radio. Something weird happened, people who listened on the radio thought mixing one the debates they thought he might better points they thought it was more articulate. They thought he was more on mission in on brand, but people who saw it on TV thought Kennedy was the clear winner right it's all because of body language right, leg, Nixon, looked a little sweaty and kind of dishevelled and men. Maybe a little. You know, fidgety kind of India and Kennedy id it's a dream boat. You know just come off like a champ like looking completely com as cucumber knows that ash and good looks great hair.

Excellent hair hair for days and this kind of his calm, demeanour that goes to show widely no tv makes huge difference yeah at least if people watch that televised debate and thought which these guys would I sleep with they have voted accordingly waiting and eventually slow. Do there s? Yes, shout to nearly comics for giving us the most wooden part of any JFK research, which is the music You buy the professor brothers about J F K. Stop what you're doing pause. This episode truly watch that video now pull over pull over safely and watch the video now, ok in your back so see we didn't lead, you a stray its worth so whatever role media had to play here, history he tells Us Kennedy one

he didn't wind by an overwhelming majority. He had a pretty narrow margin in the popular vote and at least that was due to his youth, but would advance e a bigger part of it was due to lingering prejudice against people of the catholic faith. I dont think it as popular prevalent in the U S today, but back then, and for a long time there were there were fears motivated by religious prejudice that cause many people did think. Any catholic in a position of authority would not be obeying the constitution. They would be obeying the word of the Pope, whoever that Pope happened to be so He overcame not regard a lot of prejudice to become President nowadays, as so often happens with the dead his time on is romanticized. It doesn't matter. If you if your personally fan of Kennedy

or the administration or the you know like, soap, operatic story of Camelot. The truth is that, partially, due to the, tragic way his life ended. People tend to look for some rose coloured glass, As you know, they tend to airbrush some stuff. You know what I mean and forget that no one's perfect, but still It's easy, see some big wines for his administration at the time it calls for more private in the world of civil rights, I did something that not every president really does which he champion the arts, despite the fact that the arts are inherently profitable in a quantifiable way I then he put out a lot of economic programmes. I think people forget about this, put the you on a path of expansion in the womb commercial world AIDS. expansion hadn't occurred since world WAR too, and he didn't use the catch for AIDS,

I wish you did, but you didn't use this catchphrase, but he was very interested in many pockets, deep poverty. Just Call it a war on poverty because use The w word was a little bit sensitive in the sixth It's a called it It was shared by somebody who got assassinated five years later: true doktor, interesting, it's very much true. go and tell Prodi never ended just gonna. That when, in their we're gonna pause for word for those vouchers and with a fever I back because nothing happens in a vacuum. Enjoy life's precious moments with your own personal retreat. What moments will you create at Wallace Landscape,

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The Kennedy administration was anything but perfect. In fact, the world came the closest it has been to nuclear war since World WAR two during Kennedy short tenure as president, yeah the cold war absolutely reached a crisis level during the cuban missile crisis as it was known Kennedy, possibly against petard, judgments allowed some trained armed been exiles to invade Cuba, which was another wine of the laundry list of plays, may to attempt to overthrow the government of Fidel Castro. We talked in the last episode about it everything from like poison, like what's the somewhat wet suit, poison well suit poisoned wetsuit,

ways in his cigar yeah loading cigars, re yesterday, hallucinogens piped in in the studio where we recorded stuff, just a discredited. Megan loses beard that fits in, You talkin talking about write, rightly idea. If he came off not seeming, lucid or assuming in some way daughter your leg you didn't have together, that would be enough topple him, at least in the minds of the people right, yeah, you're absolutely right and do spleen a little bit about the the issue that you The exiles have we had to talk. We have to talk about the revolution. A lot of there was a ton of wealth inequality, Pre revolution in Cuba, and many of the people who will go on to be cuban exiles and anti communist extremist felt that their property, had been stolen by the the government of Cuba and soda need aid.

It had. You can call it whatever you call it nationalized. If you want it that makes it sound. better or more official began, was taken and the idea was that it had itself been. This property have been acquired unfairly by these. The families of these folks leveraging the government. That was the position of the Communist revolution in but but these hawks never gave up. How would you feel if you thought this communist government had wrecked your life in your future? You We want to retaliate, that's an understandable thing, so they were all about it. But Kennedy his administration were not on board because they didn't want to poke a certain bear. A cry the Atlantic Bear that was a dangerously close to Alaska. Very much headache round and find out reputation and they also had nuclear weapons. So did he thought it was bad enough to mess with Castro. We can talk this down here

the bar say it: ok, let's not throw hands yet because we want to be at this bar tomorrow. The USSR was not feeling this move against Cuba, because today it was a vital part of the global Communist revolution and date. We must say it is a client state they felt they had had. many over the country. So they said. You know what the rounds you're about to fight, so they sent nuclear weapons to the island, and this is what launches the crisis so bad that we literally still today call it the cuban missile crisis NEA and they They didn't just ship nukes there, so that you know Fidel. They cuban forces could say: hey there are nuclear. They installed those babies ready to rock just off the coast of DNA states. Yet ninety miles nine. His way and so the

was only learned about this because of the EU to spy play, which is famously how the members of the band you too met each other. They were operating that and this was October of nineteen sixty two. So when Kennedy learned about this, it was kind of that It was at an impasse, so he placed a naval blockade round the venetian Cuban called it a war. cutting off any soviet access and he said, look now Wait, not ship more nuclear weapons. Here you need to get all of the other stuff off the island you have to get. The nuclear missiles that already put there and the non nuclear missiles You have to put him back on a boat to soviet Russia, and gotta destroy those missiles sites you built so for thirteen days, some of us in the audience were alive for these thirteen days. For thirteen days the future of civilization,

Much has changed on two dunes, Nikita Khrushchev and John Kennedy, and they made two deals. Only one was public near so Russia or the USSR said you know, I'm ok dismantled the sites, if you John, and the United States, vow not to ever, at least in the time being invade Cuba, for any reason, do not obey Cuba and again, this is this- is it trusting, because that's the one that we knew about right, yeah. Yes, the ideas. It was like fine and then send someone from the CIA in the back is going in. It We have this great idea for a poison to ring if We don't know if you weren't, you know the man loved historians.

Is not real? yeah you know, everybody's got their in her life right, drew carriers, nipple piercings, I'm just saying: don't censurable! Yet, it's. What I tell me, that's not true- you weren't, you ruined, drew carry for me bad what way way way. Well, let's not, let's not judge what, if what, if have a view. Those if you like more near you, the only other nips they like really be absurd. That's a personal question marks governments know is back in everyday, took off his shirt and reveal his shining China. So So regardless Their stance on nuclear weapons or nipple rings of the leaders of the USSR and the? U S were trying to reach some kind of non violent agreement. There are still very much in competition because they wanted to be the rule.

of the world must second, that private agreement, it goes back to the idea of posturing in a way that shoes confidence that lucidity that shows power right instead of weakness. The the public was sold kind of a tit for tat agreement right. Ok, we're not gonna invade Cuba in the back intelligence, guys like oh damn it and then in return, you're going to get rid of those missiles they're just too close to us and we think that's dangerous. This is the same country by the way that has dozens of bases. In sir, in a border of IRAN today, but anyway, they were like now we'd like to do that to people but don't want it done to us, but the you had to give up something else, and they didn't tell the public this for twenty five years, they all agreed that they would remove their nuclear weapons from Turkey.

Russia Rush, asked a very reasonable question from their perspective, which is like ok So you're telling me President Kennedy. Thank you. You don't think it's a good look. Yeah you're like a vibe of reform, we're having nuclear weapons really close to you they like now, absolutely not as non starter. Cool turkey, though Bro yeah. What about these were here right there right and the battle that battle was over those these past and the world did not descend into new your chaos, but the beef was still on there's still this arm race has both nation see themselves not just as wanting to be the leaders of the world, but as the rightful leaders of the world will do anything, they can legality, be damned to make that so and by nineteen six Three thanks in part efforts on both sides, they're sending public signals that the rat

down the tension. This is the year when the Kremlin and the White House set up a hotline. You know and they knew when that hotline blink. It could only mean one thing: total nuclear annihilate the earth chairs the talk back from the ledge yeah. in again, like how good it. Is that, though, that there could be between Few superpowers aid right to wine for the leaders to communicate in case tensions. Get too I like. Surely it was one of those big red phones that, like lights up, it has to be. We always possible option, it was actually. This is the weirdest part thought about this. Pretty often It was a way for them to text. Each other down was a teletype. no way yes waited there soon Mosul they can to slide into each other's dams. Like Putin hits Abiden mail at three p m. I mean it, I'm sure that happens.

Does he like Ebro W. I knew Romania the Cold war hotline? Sign haywire, I'm now done it. Never this! It's perfect it you know. It is inspiring something we see in diplomacy the idea that, if we can get away from the court of public opinion, we the world leaders, can work something out away a benefits, everybody everybody being defined as you and me on the phone, so so so that's one thing they did and then they also shade Dmitri, Dmitri fix it. I can't. Dmitri you're breaking up. I'm sorry nothing that actor strange level. We dogged by the Scottish exactly sadly and I also I would love to like you, can learn a lot about somebody by the way in which they choose to text. You know

no judgment. Some people are mochi heavy. Some people are not. Some people are full sentences. Some people feel full sentences are kind of cold and over formal, I just don't, want you and you end attacks with a period. I think, is the aggressive. They it's like an act of war. To me, I don't care, I don't care, My sentences will be complete when I say things in text for what it is, A single word followed by appear. That's a little inherently aggressive contacts, I would say depends I've just had that begin to me, but I do tax you both really like I know I don't wanna put you off. No with a period and then Matt, you don't want to seem like don't wanna, see MIKE. I don't care what about checks out. Are you? Are you navigate those diplomatic waters, them group tax, I've you guys will notice I've done without the period unless I'm ready actual lake. I text too many things.

I am out a paragraph in ITALY least, I can do is get some periods in their swords readable, but we don't know. We don't know what these world leaders were Shirley saying on this hotline, we do know that in July of nineteen sixty three. Both sides were also signatories to the limited Nuclear TEST Ban Treaty, which was an national agreement to step down the wild west of nuclear tests. If you want to learn more about that check out her episodes on things like the Marshall Islands, so at this point we have to ask what would though World be like today not of Kennedy. Got reelected, but what? If he had just finished his term? There are tons of speculation out there, but the sum Truth is this. We are never going to know, and that is because November twenty. Second, nineteen sixty three in Dallas Texas, President John F,

Kennedy was assassinated after investigation, after a series of very thorough investigations. The? U S, government can who did this assassination was carried out by one dude Lee: Lee Harvey Oswald acting alone shot the president of the United States fatally in the head. With the six point: five Millimeter Carcano model, thirty eight rifle, that's the official conclusion through the Warren Commission turns out a lot of people have a problem with that conclusion. What are we talking about? Will tell you afterward smaller sponsor now you can save money while making money with your podcast. How, with speaker from my heart, is the easiest way to create, distribute and yes monetize, your podcast, say fifty percent on all pro plans with speakers Black Friday deal when you sign up now at speakers

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Here's, where it gets crazy. Member again folks, this is part one of the two parts series. So this is for where we have to do the official story, very well aware. This may arise some of our fellow listeners in the crowd today, but we ve gotta. abolish the actual time. Why the official timeline the stuff that the government says happened and the order in which they say it happen I'll take that it goes in November of nineteen sixty three Kenneth Vice President Lyndon Johnson in their spouses, embarked upon a five city tour throughout Texas aiming to two kennedys popularity for the next election, while also uniting the Texas Democratic Party, then on the morning of November twenty? Second, the can family arrived in Dallas via AIR Force, one for from Fort worth President entered a motorcade heading four,

luncheon at the Dallas trademark. overall, I stopped just yes for a second question, for you guys the difference between a luncheon, a luncheon. I was about same area luncheon is see, usually involve tiny sandwiches. Isn't it an event like other gamble, yeah Ladys, luncheon, gonna- think about like a Pinnacle club meetings in the night that are like sisters or more formal. I think that's right up. Ok, Sorry, sorry, man, that was just that's something I don't wanna, I didn't research before I went on air, the same question was burning in my skull and you asked you asked what everyone in the audience was asking so bless. You said so anyways? The Kennedys are hanging now go into this fancies. Manatee lunch at the Dallas trademark there are over a hundred. Fifty thousand people lined up along the road as the kennedys heads. way in their vehicle. It's a ten mile rout, yes. To ten mile route and at well

Thirty, in the afternoon, both President Kennedy and the winner of Texas, at the time, phoning job Connally are shot. Their riding in the presidential limousine, which is open top and conall He is seriously wounded for time. They don't know he's gonna make it, but the President despite ear or no one officially mounted into later that day, but the president is clearly dad. It's not tis, but a flesh wound situation. New, and if there's one take away, we governments all scenario- is no more open top motorcades re, not a thing people a day anymore in this country for president's, so the hard, the limousine in what goes into action. Wake waiting, sixty Secondly, it is racing toward the nearest hospital. hurtling memorial around this time. Lee Harvey Oswald, the assassin is making

escaped from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository hurry hinges on very, very small things. Folks, he almost gets caught one walking down stairs a police officer briefly stopped him in the lunchroom. On the second floor, the building but he moves on without incident by P M Kennedy is at the hospital. His body is he's, tease pronounced dead in just a few in its after that police find empty rifle shells and they find a rifle hidden. On the sixth floor of the Texas School Book, Depository Lee investigations will show that was definitely Oswald rifle. He definitely did buy it by one fifty p m. He is arrested his plan for get away did not go well by the next,

in the We hours of November, twenty third one thirty a m. He is officially charged with the murder of the president of the United States. How, that go we'll, never know we're makes it to trial. on November twenty. Fourth, she too, is by very listing guy in Jack, Ruby, gray, name in the wake of that murder Lyndon Johnson sought to kind of keeping these maintain some semblance of order here, Who did this was on everyone's television, everyone's radio, any new that not everyone in the audience was particularly big fan of his considering, so he new. He needed to tread lightly at an investment. She commenced, even as these rumours began, to spread from the onset of some genuine speculation, Some likely manufactured disinformation coming out of Russia.

This is an opportunity dead too so discontent. Right too, I'd where's attack did we know they ve employed multiple times throughout history against states, premium ass, hers against so many other real, and this is a beautiful song. We singing but that arose it's not for you all a police work. That's but in the end, the Warren Commission in an eight hundred and eighty eight page report presents a conspiracy theories have been made around that number hours to get rid of the trees wildcat got it Bob they may this public. On September, twenty seventh nineteen sixty four it concluded. Kennedy was in fact assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald and that Oswald had acted alone without any Cohen

borders now and also that there is nobody else involved like it as far as a government handler or agency, or you know, military sure, no big business, Chris, is no organised crime, no ring of sleeper agent spies, one dude one gun and a few bullets had led democracy low this remains one of the most controversial investigations in the entirety of U S, history and, as we record today, conspiracy theories this murder proliferate. It is in fact, one of the most widely accepted conspiracy theories in american culture and in their p again, it's a political people on either side of the that you know frankly manufactured divide people of every kind of creed, every kind of demographic slice? You could imagine people who can say themselves very sceptical about the other thing might say,

Kay the Kennedy thing, though the Kennedy thing right and everybody else in the room looked round, and they know which one yeah well, when you can robber and which will we talk and are we talking Chappaquiddick happen too, I mean anyway. The the thing is that there's a mistrust, the government there are common in: U S culture, you could say its american apple pie, which is misleading, cause apples, are from Kazakhstan, but whatever the idea is that it is some. It is somehow both the risk, instability and the right of people. living in the: U S to question the decisions of those in power and because parts that investigation remain, classify, Today that lack of transparency coupled with ingrained lack of trust combined to make just the flap perfect soil for speculation

It's like in twenty seventeen about fifty nine percent of Hillary Clinton. Supporters believed in it. Conspiracy surrounding the J F K assassination ended. This in time about sixty one percent of Donald Trump. supporters were on the same page. Finally, finally, we fall the one thing people of all medical stripes can agree on. Why is it up in the debate. How come no one it's about, that they don't answer my letters, but the hurried there would be pretty good. On the stage, the next presidential debate or take the J F K assassination and then they connect so hard and everybody's feel in each other. So much on stage that we all just get along and they decide to co president that decide to go yet. I picked you like what is addressing Anderson Cooper moving from some

I should like one of those vaguely wordy questions about. You know freedom and then just going. I J, F K. Kid Maybe they have to go jeopardy style phrase. It has acquired phrase their answers, the question to be careful. You know clear what applied if they, if that ever happened, which spoiler folks, that's never going to happen, you're not going to get a presidential debate where they talk about that because they will want to get shot. But If that ever happened to you here are some of the most prevalent conspiracy theories brought up in the meat. And they don't all agree at times they contradict, but they have a couple of commonalities and we can group them into just at a few categories. You know it's like just a handful of the most popular ones, this one's for you know you know

style. What if it was the mafia and yes that is me, how come the resident sopranos night here? No one ever some of us not sure they usually do do things pretty brash, really dont. Really this one, too much sand right in the whole Orwellian went to know I haven't seen. Oh hell of a lot of chatter, about what you guys know, there are some weirdness and Jack rubies connections. I don't know, maybe I sisters re, isn't there a connection with the good that a union? Nothing of Jimmy Hoffa yeah, you is dirty, but there were I have some personal knit pigs with the mafia theory, the chief of those and we'll talk about sport in part to the chief of which is that it seems unlikely for the mafia to be involved with an operation of that

magnitude and that risk, unless there was a clear benefit at the end and would have to be a significant benefit, whether its cash or whether its immunity from something out what I'm saying the mafia, participating in something the mafia being asked to help, maybe by the mafia, just decide. It is to do it on their own some crime, family and single tough to swallow. So imagine it would be a business decision of some sort gray, actually right, because what you know you can call these outfits, crime, families, but they're, really business enterprises, mafias, mom and pop business. Our family business, yet Jimmy Hoffa right, let me they thought it was we who was reported to have ordered the assassination or been complicit in it. He was obviously very corrupt teams union leader who had mob ties and euro don't mess with teamsters and general stay on their good site. That's what everybody in production tells me.

The other idea Castro fed up with the Larry S. Attempts at on his life had. I did, he would show them how was done and he ordered the death of John F Kennedy or was it the CIA and then Vice President Lyndon Johnson, Are they both working together already working with even more people? Did they all Voltaire on a symbol, their adventures, assemble their assassination adventures and kill Kennedy, and then you know, go a little further out, you'll see things like a shadow governments deeply and it Cabal Illuminati, something like that killed Kennedy. or even the John Birch Society killed Kennedy or the president. Somehow never actually died. So that's just hold that one in your mind. For the rest, the series by this fascinating, deep rabbit hole of

gesture. The theories often contradict one another on the whose basic of assumptions- but they all have one, unanimous commonality they all come. That Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone again over half of the people in the. U S, belief Some version of this and since eighteen sixty three, these are many have never quite gone away, oh shut out to the other when the incompetence conspiracy, the ideal, with the best of intentions. A member of the secret service fired the fatal shot just for a fumble speculation. This individual was hung over etc, but that has been proven as just one of the other popular ones. We have dimension and you more. I think about it. I think the problem the majority of people who don't by this visual story from the Warren Commission. They don't think they're conspiracy theorist, they just think,

there's something really off about the story and whether or not you agreed see easy to understand that perspective, and that's because verdict for more than half a century. Uncle SAM is kept information about this murder from the public and over the years, so emerging facts, things that did come out or dig it declassified like the story behind the cuban missile crisis have called some these initial statements into question. There is no matter like it you accept the official narrative. There is still no arguing that there was a weird discrepancies about this. One has a lot of muddy stuff. yeah, you can look to a person named Doktor T, Jeremy Gun who actually worked on the assassination Records Review board. This was this review was established in eighteen. Ninety two: this is when we mentioned earlier at the top of this. This episode and by the way, this is right. After J F K was created by Oliver Stone. That's one of the

well known stories about visa. the nation, and about JFK Zapruder film back to the left back body to the left, doktor, T Jeremy Gun Fellow, was very surprised, as he was looking through. These reckon divine that the medical evidence of that was available from the assassination of J F case. Actual body was not up to snuff. It wasn't woody like them, wasn't enough information. There was an accurate data, it just ass. It was enough to these. Regulations that you would imagine the medical record of an assassinated president would be yeah yeah. He, gun learned that there was a deposition with one of the three doctors who perform the autopsy on Kennedys corpse in this doctor Doktor James Josephine, said: oh yeah, we skates steps and the autopsy. I was on my back

Thou topsy renew we buy yet that we always the president, but we skip some stuff aware in a hurry and then it turns out there He had also made a copy of the original autopsy paperwork. This doctor Humes, I and Ii destroy the original when asked why he does drawing the original. He said he. because he saw how bloodstains, so he made is made his own thing. And just started important regional human at all. Well, you know on the other side of the matter may be wanted literally a clean copy. I don't know I just feel like it boy, you shouldn't be messing with things any more than there already nest with what what have you just kept it in a box in his house for the rest of his life? Oh god there is a classic human move. I did so see that

but if he did, he didn't come forward during his lifetime to say: hey here's, the original he did seem to at least believe it he had destroyed, t Jeremy Gun find some other discrepancies. He said there are serious problems with the forensic and ballistic evidence. This is not an arm chair investigator, you know, as as you say, we met. This was literally This guy's job here to found that some somehow had gone into the national archives and taken the official photos of Kennedys corpse post nation Whatever photos are there now do not appear in guns, opinion to be original photos, so why would you switch those out? What's? Let me why the point. I guess an auction, the your great great greek,

and shoulder and will have one day or as the as the more conspiratorial would argue, the photographs show wounds that do not fit the official narrative. Also there second factor here. The state secrecy is definitely complicating the search for the truth, and this leads conspiracies about conspiracies fine, so many people like I used to believe this is well you'll find so many people claiming the CIA popularize. The term can here's a theory in nineteen. Sixty seven you'll find some proclaiming the invented this term and weapon I saw it in the wake of the JFK assassination. They didn't invented, government agencies, and this is not a ding government aid Caesar, not often. Creative in that regard. These well established means because you want to stick with well,

works. But what does she I did do and what should scare you, if you are in the audience today is exert their control over domestic media. Not low fringe sites know all front sites or anything like that. No no donor, the papers of no like they were to contacts in the New York Times of the Chicago Cargo Tribunal and the most famous of these is a memo called concerning criticism of the Warren Report came out after the Warren Commission and India if you actually read the thing in the third paragraph, the CIA dies talk about conspiracy theories, it's the only time it occurs in the document. They say conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization. Oh, how wounded, for example, by far sleep alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us and then, spend a lot of ink. happen on Lee Harvey Oswald, which it made him

Is it hard they see? You know, he's Braun stable nobody. Let alone the CIA? Nobody in their right mind would be dumb enough to use such an unreliable dude in an operation of this scope like come on. We don't play it, can't it's it's all but saying leggy. It doesn't say this, but the implication Miss Lake. We know enough about assassinated world leaders pretty good idea of food, not a big, and we would not take this need. The use of the phrase is really casual the way they use the phrase. Conspiracy theory: it's because before, this moment in time that wasn't a pejorative. It was like a thing. People just kind of assumed happened. And mainly this is meant, this memo is meant to give people in media arguments against those rumours and

you pointed out earlier knolls some of those rumors were its highly. likely that they were being spread on purpose by foreign propaganda agencies or foreign propaganda operations. So that's what they're fighting it That is all very well. I guess what we have to remember. We discussed this in the past The CIA would plant and offer If within a large news organization, they did then that's all. Were referring to here we're saying, like they'd reach out to their people, basically to give these directives. Taiwan propagate. happening. Happening today. I mean with that little bit of myth busting, I think you're right man, that is the scariest part.

No wonder the public knew about this memo by the way until the New York Times years later was able to get it through a way or request a freedom of Information ACT request. That's how you get the pages with the black high lighter. If you have a lot of tackling her hands so now This has led the public and the government into a strange song and dance routine. I know, if talked about it on air, but Disney's been doing this clever thing for a very long time where they repeatedly push back the rules of copyright. the statute of limitations on copyright law so that they can retain soul ownership that there are many many properties in a weird way. Some faction of the: U S, government or some group of people. seems hell bent on pushing back that scheduled de classification of these JFK files that are still secret today does not matter who the president its

does not matter which of the two political parties, it doesn't mean. What, if there is ever like. If the Green Party was in charge, you know what I mean like a libertarian party, was in charge. This would probably still be the same situation, because public outcry does not matter it does. Not matter CARE elects the head of the CIA. Well, not wildly at the job they have to be lifted, move God, but We thought you probably noticed in in a recent example. If you turn into a strange new segments, we talked about the Biden Administration Most recent decision to keep those still, secret files, secret and they said they were just following the directors of national archives, and they gave to reasons one feels actually I'll, say it.

Feels pretty solid and the other one is pretty spooky. As just my opinion, we are the first one, they destroyed the corona virus in Color nineteen, all of the things we have to do. Slow down our process a lot, so We need more time and that this process will make sense right supply chain They can't get the markers everything has been held up by China a good black highlight or now is like trying to get a p s. Five yeah man so hard over the archives, but there's this other the phrase that we mention in this strange news episode that is, to my mind the domino there and be down a rabble. Yes, the is very vague phrase. I d a viable harm, whatever that means So why why the need for this you know persist secrecy. What would happen

and if all of these documents sermon, they have a man like shredded. Were released? We talk about In the previous episode right, I mean my old thing is like I'm going to release it there, if there's anything in there they're not maybe they're not going to tell you they're, not gonna. Let us know I'd just don't believe that it is in the capacity of the government to ever admin. They were wrong and be released, anything that would shed any light on any secret nonsense. They ve been up to and then Ben you made the pointer earthen use both of you, the let there inches of the government that are like there's just no cross over there, all these silos branches, so they might not even all know. What's in there right, oh yeah, for sure. That's definitely true. Also side note my new favorite excuse. To go to things is identifiable harm like if I can just use, Sorry, I can't make it happen. I have become weird

become weird, I hadn't careful with that will become strange. I dont want I use. I become strange and you gotta it's like saffron I assume you a little bit. That goes a long way. So is the concept that, if you are poor and you may or may not cause on identifiable harm, and that is just too much of a risk to take or isn't it. In any event itself could cause, identify, alarms, you know come here, whereas we can, we can have people, learning about our collection methods, tactics, job, that's it yeah. I think I'll sick with our become strange, maybe or we could just say- go of it say earlier, but dear question was a good question. What would happen it's going to be just That is really what would happen if all of this stuff was released, all the suffering and been destroyed was released. It

hard to say because its black box, we don't know What's in there. I am If you are, if you do have this the on this in you are listening. You probably can't write to us again tell us: what's in there, you will be under the jail well you'll be under the prison, you'll be under something maybe six feet of dirt, but while you're you could say that declassed fine. All of this would be a big step or dispelling some of the White Wilder claims, but it's I don't know, I think it's probable that even if everything was released, it wouldn't stop the tide of speculation because of one, family disturbing in arguable fact need, is true the? U s itself, has assassinated people and like many countries the? U S likely no assassinate more people in the future, if it deems those actions appropriate for some, Greater good- so I mean important

government moving dark by design, so declassified documents may tell. for it adversaries or the public too much about how the sausage gets made, I think However, you personally think about what happened: November in Dallas, Texas. The chilling fact is this when it comes to the murder of John F Kennedy, there is still more than half a century later in the? U S, government doesn't want you to know it's like that's true right, that's early. What the definition of classifying things means I want to know you can't global justice blow your mind. Duty would kill you would guys. Are you a quivering pool of jelly? Look. Look behind me. I want to believe

to know. I finally got an x files poster in my room. That's why shouldn't I was hoping you you're going to have the classic. You know the? U N were well yeah. No! I like this one Keziah Mulder Scully and Skull is always looking over Mina you it's weird about because I know we will watch that show, but every watched it the pandemic, just the greatest hits young ones really speak to me and the kid I did notice how often every body, says Fox Moulders name the teacher out of the story. It's not the way the people talk to each other I mean. Do you get weirded out when someone's using your name too much and casual conversation like just Fox calling him fox all the time. Dormice curses moulder, like every three Senate Sure, but she had finished we call on Fox. I lay like if she's cranky Adam, I think it emotional moment here when they get more

spoilers, folks, when they know. do they will they won't? Who knows how to tell her that simmering sexual tend to did not just redirect us Radagunda out of the car? That was a good, though the collar shrewd action for tackling motive classic man move, and this is where we're going to call it today again, as the first of the two parts series of might end up being more than two parts. Frankly, I this is an introduction of sorts so tune him for part. Two were diving deep into the J K conspiracies we're gonna, give you some Jew. we're gonna go from the plausible to the far out too. Maybe even the bizarre J F K related claims of the modern day, but for now, what do you think the official story, legit, is there a cover up and if so, what kind of cover up? Whose involved If you are listening and you are John Fist-

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