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even if you are one of the people paying for it. You probably heard the name of this group before the it a or National security agency. It sounds so nice who doesn't to be secure. Today, whether you live in a foreign country or the good old you us of a we guarantee sort musician, Meno an immense amount of stuff about you, and it probably has dirt on numerous government officials as well. So how did we get here? We'll stay look at the history, so while the innocent was officially founded on November. Fourth, nineteen fifty for its roots, Goma, much further back. All the way to thirteen, seventeen, that's. When a man named Herbert O Yardley became the head of this newly created thing called the site, a bureau of Military intelligence, which is just too

careful name. I feel we should state that the entire way through a people get cyber and safer mixed up. Oh yeah, I guess it's true, but Cipher Bureau Cipher Bureau comic book. It does like a comic book, it's very Hellboy suit. This was just three sir, so after the United States- has declared war on Germany one of the major factors the brought the: U S into the war was a thing called the Zimmermann telegram and that's situation, where the foreign Secretary of Germany tried to get Mexico to enter into war against the United States, but british code breakers second, the message- and I told you, friends in the? U S notice it. Oh! Would the Yanks probably hear of this, which is apparently how they sound. I end the government, finally acknowledge the. U S, government acknowledge the value of what is called signals. Intelligence, that's correct!

we were speaking about world were one there when times are going to war with Germany. Yes, yes, I so signals intelligence were revolting spy movies. We are familiar with the idea of intelligence, which ensued, cases may seem paradoxical according to the office the director of national intelligence, their six types of inter sources or what they call collection, disciplines now, this these off, along with their hand sort of an acronym. I guess not quite an acronym now just shorthand, that's better suffer We have imagery intelligence, which is an approach. I meant ethnic immense, maybe then we have measurement and signature intelligent or mass next week human source intelligence or humans. We have open source, intelligent, o sent and GEO Spatial Intelligence GEO ends, and then to that. We mentioned.

Patients. Intelligent comment, no comment electronic intelligence, elegant island and then we have foreign instrumentation signals intelligent. My personal favorite visit Yes, those those three comment: lint insufficient or all under the Brower of Sea, signals. Intelligence in that We just means the interception from signals, whether those be electronic communication maybe are short way. Radio interceptions all around the world, foreign and domestic and second, can be any of those three things on their own or a combination of any any of those three year is their communication occurring via a signal. We need to hear it right, and so these other things, these

things were mentioning like human source. Intelligence is what a lot of people think of when they think of spy movies. You know what I mean like no rose and sits on a park bench at twelve o three, someone sits with their back to them and says you know the proper code phrase which what would that be met. The cranberry source was quite fragrant last afternoon. It indeed, and legal if they just agreed in that in that kind of humans environment. We do you know who knows they may be just agreed to an hour. Steel with us is, is the target yeah the fragrance e amount of reverence? That's that's the state of the condition. That's like you know, do serve to doing the deal. That is the affirmative The target is trapped and ready for interception. Yeah we're

pulling this out of our ears. As you know, is also pretty fragrant, told you guys. I actually had the pleasure of Going to the International Spy Museum in Washington DC this past. Can I ask yeah they had a whole section with all of these amazing, like generations of various intel it gathering devices Zena one main one being taper quarters and had never never occurred to me that, like the same companies make machines now still they use in film in Europe that have now versions that are dilettante digital rather are there, ones who made the best take machine, they would use to conceal and they got progressively smaller and smaller the first ones. It would be like these. You know about the size of a laptop, but obviously much thicker and you'd have to put it inside a big giant suit case, be that guy on the part bench and then they would have a low wire. That would run up a coat and

through your sleeve and that'll, be the remote control. Little quickie buttoned established are yearning and then the microphone would often being picked up into a wristwatch. So the risk, It would have the MIKE in it, and the court would have to go all the way up from the suit case through your coat down around than up your sleeve and then plug India Wristwatch. Obviously, just Consumer electronics nowadays are much more conceivable and higher quality than that, but it was passing to see the way they progressed to these tiny Little they almost like Micro, Cosette rumours by aid still are ultimately real to real the name of Nagras Negro- was a company and they there still around. In fact, they make really really high end field record. Devices that are used in Feldman and television you now? According so that was super cool,

not to go too far, attract where they had a whole section with like concealed weapons, one of which was like an umbrella that you can shoot a poison dart out of by like no doing the umbrella mechanism and again I had a cross section of it, but super superfine, you know, thousand DC for another show that I work on and was there the day of the inauguration and I walked around the National mall by myself, actually posted some a couple good creep. X on the stuff it I want you to know, Instagram accounts. If you wanna check this out his arms, he stuff show spirits, he stuff show, but listen. Back to Intel, yes, We love to go to that museum in person was usually I recommended anyone's Medici area is right by the Gordon Beer sitting over there and get your sausage platter and check out some sums. You know spacecraft and also check out our interview with rubber maser, where he discusses his whole set up. The yard anywhere, where you're, describing with a big taper quarter in

Briefly, I am previous audio podcasting wow. Talking about history. Let's go back to nineteen nineteen. When the war ended the site the bureau moved all the way up to New York City. I thought I'm going to remember that salsa commercial, whenever I say New York City every time, advertising is city of New York further and they it s very forceful, is much more left New York. Saturday, I guess you're right now thought they got angry like you got more more angry, as depends on which is a very successful. I kill pass through patient Ponting paces because, if you feel like wasting your time on Youtube, go check those up and then also for that egyptian panda commercial for cheese, that's my favorite net nothing do with the cipher bureau, because a nineteen twenty two, the they had shifted from nineteen, nineteen, eighteen, twenty two from military intelligence, where the

thanks, where the planes to diplomatic intelligence do they prove their worth being they, sir, they intercepted. Japanese, occasions that helped american diplomats negotiate with Japan. On me, arms limitations, but was even at this point, the site bureaus methods were always questionable, and if the public had been more aware, they I would have noticed that these are technically illegal or euro. Every in the public knows would indicate these are illegal and. We heard a lot of little woman paint this picture and tell me if the sounds familiar see this the bureau working for the federal government made a deal with private telegraph companies in a western union and the like, and these companies the Cipher Bureau unpack did it access the messages entering and exiting the United States all telegrams and

the Secretary of State, Henry Simpson, clue the agency, nineteen twenty nine and he thought he had some moral issues with the increasing surveillance. But then also it's pretty Spencer at that time to pay off these companies. Even if they are making what they feel is a patriotic decision and to have the just the people power, Did your double or you know, copy every single message goes in or out of their systems read every telegram. Ultimately,. The Hoover administration- wouldn't the need for peacetime surveillance, like? Why do we have this? If there is not a war, Why are we monitoring this and we don't have any act of enemies than were right, whistles money and its adoption have that much power? You know so we'd like to think they saw the danger of this agency.

Monitoring all citizens in peacetime, the end of the Cyber bureau site, There are various hybrid, I'm just gonna call the beer cyber man, the Cyber, is tough cypher stuff after after the end of that era,. Yardley. Now we mentioned at the beginning not only out of a job. He was very, very bitter, eighteen, thirty one he published a book called the american black chamber. This was first time and much of the public knew the tilities and exploits of the bureau the Saturday evening, Post published an excerpt and thing is not only was the public, Saturday evening posts readership. Sounded in no small part terror terrified.

The intelligence community was also having a gigantic w e f moment sure. So. The founding fathers, of american surveillance, the men ways: Europe! You hear the squadron I was gonna, see around town you'll hear this quote around this topic. The and Father american surveillance also became its first trader. By the time you published. This book was already out of date on american spy programmes. Thus because five months be were the end of the cipher bureau before they closed it down back in May of nineteen, twenty nine, the United face Army decided that it was going to start up its own version of an agency of the sort, its own independent yeah. Let's say: State Department, spy agency rights its own military intelligence, that diplomatic, yes and in thirty William Friedman began. Building this thing called the Signal

intelligence, service or sis sets it's a sweeter name, not quite Skinner type bookie as the Cipher Bureau, but it's a cable WU role of it so clear, really to what extent the end. Of these cipher bureau like how that went in to the birth of this new agency, wow, cause. It ended. Was this one created, or was this one created and that when kids, simultaneously like was that the thinking lino every new beginning comes from some other beginnings. End and it's a window door was closed on windows opened up put in October, nineteen, twenty nine Friedman did go to New York and obtain all of the files of the cipher bureau. So whether or not they were related, bureaucratically the kinds of contents, they were: They were

even more comprehensive where they say it was he sent or was he disliked unilateral like I'm, I have that gimme those files, I'm gonna, whatever I had to be sent on young, that the power of the Cipher bureaus library at that point is pretty significant. Thank you. So much sense you you have to it's. It's like in our human experimentation. Episodes we discuss how it scary and terrible. The way Some of that information is obtained in the way we experiments are carried out in the same way with this cipher bureau, its things are to look down upon by the Publican, perhaps even by some government agencies, but you have the information and you just let it Wrong. I go away already use it to build this new thing. That's it. That's a very good comparisons, already sort of assault cost at this point and we're not even the World WAR two so says CS expanded rapidly in the nineteen thirties and oh bases, they'll be concentrated,

on the Pacific Theatre, so Alaska, China, Australia and was in response. The expansion of the japanese Empire drew, Were to assist played a crucial role in helping to crack some of these japanese codes after the war President Truman reorganized the of the entire american pursuit of this sort of intelligence under something he call the National security agency. Two, fifty seven, the NSA, moved afford meat in Maryland. Began as a secret organization in many ways I mean a keepers of intelligence, Anna was half jokingly. To buy a lot of people as not now no security agency, but no such agency no agency here, growing up my father had he had arrived,

joke with within his is field where it's such a badge he goes on here. I do, and here I live for your bad jokes spent. Well, let's let loose the job so so there, the old joke that Boy. Tell all round these various circles was he Can you tell the extrovert at the inner One in the elevator looking at someone else issues is that bad to pass on, get humour in a circle and I'm trying to get it there. Oh, because there are still extroverted that their little usually is it that there are staring at shoes. That is their form of reaching out. Yet I still look at the other. She said it was a batch nobody I think it s a good works. I guess you yet

after the whose circles they go? Ah, yes, Being an elevator with a bunch of Venice agents, oh man, I don't put me in there. You know. I would like to avoid that so dismayed. The innocent grew a peak of more than ninety thousand employees and sixty nine. This the largest intelligence organization in the? U S and possibly in the war Ninety thousand people known known of the car, So the inner said do contain Valuable intelligence that helped the: U S, anticipate things, especially during the cold war. Like the foundation. The Berlin Wall, the cuban missile crisis, but they work always successful in nineteen sixty four. The inner was deserve largely responsible for the gulf of talking incident, which drew the. U S into the Vietnam WAR, they say was faulty intelligence. They say you know what.

Not everybody gets everything right all the time, but the big I'm here is whether or not it was truly faulty the intelligence they had or was it something else, and what are the up to today. I feel as though these things are all right for exploration, but first a word my sponsor.

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If the certain conditions are met, yeah there'll be a person on there. I do clay. If I have nothing to hide, have enough in the hard- and you couldn't rifle through my phone calls here, but a pivotal CS. Ladies and gentlemen, we told you bet scarce cracked it up here as part of its the costume Ben I've, those the feathers. What listen to my phone calls back yes asked and YE shall receive the answer. They are the people who run the computers, the National Security agency slashed central security service leads the? U S, government in Krypton, that in compasses signals, intelligence and information assurance products. Services is an computer network operations to gain what Hola decision advantage for the nation and its allies under all circumstances. That gobbledygook in in English means that thereby,

receiving intelligence and they're, making sure that it's real so It's not incorrect purposely misleading and then air of their net. Again computer gather, so that the U S and the? U s his friends five eyes or whatever will all have the best information going into anything? of. Any sort of geopolitical situation ultimately tin to gain a decision advantage. Frank right: who that part about the airports Internal security service no benefit, but that's a tricky a lot of like I missed his wealth. The central security service affiliated here includes elements of the armed forces that prove that perform code making breaking work with the five eyes or

published in eighteen. Seventy two and the inner say directors. Also the chief of the sea s s so members of this. Yes, s, work side by side with the USA around the world. And we do me literally around the world so that there is not as much of a barrier between civilian code, cracking and military coat, cracking sir efficient way to to streamline efforts to get the most bang for your cryptographic, buck assent, we think these folks, almost as intelligence agencies embedded in the armed forces while yet well. Ok, that's the official decision advantage so If it's just collecting information making sure that information, whatever it is accurate. Well, how do they use these it for multiple purposes from assisting in trade negotiations? You know: Sulawesi Matt is an embarrassed gets a hot tip from and I say right

for he goes into negotiate some sort of deal about tee in China or then knows essentially insider info. Sure or something that got leverage got leverage exactly, but then it also and go down to what's a blow up win. Dirty job, but it would disingenuous to not admit it's one of the prime reasons that the U S achieved, hedges became a hedge meaning. You know the most powerful of the nation's currently, for For the moment for the markets, oh boy, did you feel that child that went through the room? I really did. I guess I notice are we dripping? Is there something dripping up here, because I feel We have been invaded by some kind of foreign intelligence here with this water that doth drip down. We carry out my goodness. Ok right, you are, you guys

Susan could the indices of a floor above us in poisoning the roof of her build its right around the vow? for the fire system- yeah sprinkler system was that siren. There was going off the emails you I just I don't know why I'm usually actively hallucinate inside it. No, I don't. I one of the best way to check arms up and go Let me just been a top it stays spinning when you know your horse naming if it falls down there, but if the camera cuts away before- falls than you dont know will never know what I do without you is well before we drown or die from nerve gas. We should mention the USA is full of controversies a little bit. Historical controversies. We mention the gulf of talk and already

commonly it's it's commonly acknowledged outside of the? U S by various organisations as a false flag operation, and that would be someone purposely pretend and be an enemy to, create. The circumstances for their own aggression, rights than something becomes a war of defence retaliation rather than An invasion it helps to make the populace agree with a reason for going to war. Another one would be the U S Senate when they form the church committee in eighteen. Seventy five to haul, investigate possible abuses by the USA as well. The CIA Fbi Iris. This went on, nine months the committee Chair, Frank Church. Who was a military intelligence officer, one time in his life- aggression Rachel than something becomes a war of defence, as a greek quotas

here from the New York Times in nineteen, seventy five, that capability at any time could be turned around on the american people, and no American would have privacy left. Such the capability to monitor everything the phone conversations telegrams it doesn't matter there would be no a place to hide boy was it ever turned around, the american people feel they were living in a time where, because of various leaks, Mr Snowden in and the like, we are paid. I am fully aware that this your times in nineteen. Seventy five that capability at any time could be round on the american people and no American would a whole lot of us also very willingly participate in feeding this. Used by giving our own personal information out Hagen.

Peggotty as man would say, via various social media network semi, it's like turning on locations are returning home location services like we're, exchanging the convenience of being able to know that there is a burger king near by four based Twenty four seven monitoring- and you know again, as math said earlier in his delightful ass, a we, maybe feel they have nothing to hide so hares and honestly, I'm one of those people. Do you guys are not so much a guy's both ever take over your phone, I'm by just like what are you? What are you gonna do? What are you gonna see me doing, I'm very boring. I know that's not the point flight it is kind of how I justified, because I, like all the technologies in theirs I urge a conversation, the concept of pride. She's. We understand it is fairly recent and the span of humans position and I've heard you been before say that you feel like a further down the line. Prime,

they will be not a right at all, will be a luxury afforded only to the super rich. Yes, I do believe what I want get on a soapbox. Quite yet. Well, ok, you know it no we're halfway there, let's walk at the box, so what we are faced There's a country knows a species is So much the end privacy or the erosion of privacy, but the rise of an inequality in privacy- This means that Just as no said one of the most precious resources of the future may be. The ability to have an unmonitored thought will die, happen within our lifetimes. That's it whole make. But do you want to live in a world where, based

your income or your family. You may or may not have the privilege of holding her thoughts to yourself. It's it's scary question and somebody Ass controversies have just been have been escalating to the point that's less and less of a matter of science fiction. Knowing that sounds alarmist, and it is, but it is as impossible, as it was just a few days. To go again. Let me read this quote again, one more time that capability at any time could be turned around on the american people, and no American would have any privacy left. Such is the capability to monitor everything. It doesn't matter there would be no place to hide their. I mean that's that about sums less. You can encrypt things really really efficiently, which maybe last civility right. Great point: that's another controversy, the daddy encryption standard or d S, Snelgrove

developed by IBM in the early nineteenth seventys to encrypt sensitive electronic data by the law nineteen seventies, it had become the world wide standard. Everybody was into this. It was the new it was like when poker Mungo first came out, but with encryption that didn't work, I think, is fairly obvious. It open nor I go all the around right. So what happened in some civilians who were affiliated this movement alleged the inner, had real We become involved in the development of the algorithm and they Vince IBM to change some things, to shorten the key to make it possible for the inner city to decipher every message and it keeps in ninety nine, the BBC reported a story that they said sounded like science fiction, a claim the inner, along with partner agencies in the Uk

Did I miss you and no operated a world wide surveillance network capable of intercepting every inch national phone call, fax and e mail. This was called project echelon. The? U S, Canada and UK, still denied officially by us. Oh yeah and New Zealand official. They say that it is a real thing and warrantless surveillance went mainstream under previous presidential administrations, Billy Bush, but its existence, Since the days of the black chamber and then, of course, the bomb that dropped Which no mentioned when Edward Snowden revealed Prism. That was a crazy day, Yes, I remember we were in the office that was a today day.

You're not going to. We have all people are not going to judge you, ladies and gentlemen, but we would say that at this point I very carefully before sending inappropriate pictures to your friends taking inappropriate pictures with something that's connected to the internet right Making appropriate pictures of ecological yeah? Some can come back to haunt you, Where gets crazy, though legislation passed quite recently in the final days of President Obama's administration and also passed relatively quietly, you may not have heard of it, because it was sort of. Did under the radar, but there's here's? How went down why it's important from the New York Times, the inner I can now quote: share globally intercepted personal communications with the government's sick,

seen other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections. Yes, so we used to work until now. The waste work is the inner say would do some things to protect american citizens privacy, so they share intelligence about something happened: but not necessarily attached to that. Frederick who is just a guy who happened to be on the conference and didn't do anything has no idea of, has no nefarious plans, dealing with IP addresses numbers and so now what's happened again. Very very recently is that these new rules signal legally relax. Those limits now. The surveillance operations are beyond wiretapping regulations and their share

we now raw data so their shipping? Other data, with your personal information and again, of course, there's the old idea of no well. Why should I be worried, I'm not moving. You know, I'm not illegally smuggling iguanas in and out of the ozarks I've done. Know much about the aguano smuggling tree. It's a racket, it's a ragged! So there's no! to be any more it necessary, there's, not any privacy baked into it and perhaps more only there's, no real oversight, this This rule intelligence, it shares, is I've from mass surveillance under executive order, twelve three, three three and that's been ineffective Eighteen, eighty one is wrong. Tell so be stuff like emails phone calls, not just them.

The data of the phone calls not just no call this number at three. Forty two p m when such as we know, can be very, very useful in and of by taken into the next level, pretty much godlike. Yeah they're, not minimize than reductive Damascus mask identifying information. Previously, the innocent filtered this stuff before they shared it with the CIA or the FBI or the d and the end the UNICEF who are very, very intelligent people. Pass on information only if they deemed pertinent and they could tell someone's innocent, usually ire. Because the way. So this is supposed to be foreign communication right, but here's the scary thing because little way the internet works. You might be surprised at how much Your personal communication activity counts as foreign communication, like let's let signal this way, if you imagine our office

you know sit relatively close to each other now, just just across her, and yet you literally maybe twelve feet from each other fifteen feet and that's really busy on something we, since no one email by that I'm the email travels to knolls inbox. It might have gone to a server across the country or even outside the country before landing with him, so that young Pope mean that you just sent became we're in communication, which makes it fair game for the inner, and I thought, the young Pope thanks buddy yeah, but I'm still excited to eleven haven't no I like the concept of it, though math whack it. Yet again, more young pope stuff. This is not a young pope gassed young people, last year, this provision- yes, but I watched it,

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occasion that might just landed airport, in Australia to be refused entry and she might never know exactly why I put on a no fly list and nobody even told me about it. We're not saying this will happen, but we are seeing that right now. The scary thing is: there's not, a solid way for someone to tell if abuse occurs and the definition wearing communication is even more deceptive check out this. This great pork from Sir Foreign intelligence is really a catch all they can include most. Anything happening abroad. Executive. We're twelve three three three As formation, relating to the capabilities, intentions and activities of foreign powers, organizations or persons dont. Let Lee quote, organizations or persons, part of that definition hide behind the more important seeming term foreign powers, exactly

This definition means that quota Ford Intelligence includes speech about political and human rights activities, so, if you send it email as part of a non profit seeking to free up political prisoner I can include so packing the economy, one of the great examples fleet, has, is what and email that talks about a business trip to Europe to get the finest french chocolate for your cookies, then that would qualify technically there is one last note here, William we have mentioned on the show before as one of the highest level whistle blowers to ever come from the inner say, Yemen. It was. Leading co breaker against the Soviet Union in the cold war, but after events of September eleventh, he resigned He saw that in Pinion Washington was moving toward mass surveillance and it disgusted him

a profound level. Now, surveillance of its own people right on your life is twenty. Four. He spoke in London at the center for investigative journalism and revealed that people in general. Had no idea about the scope of. Programmes under the their growth under though President President Obama administrations in his quote. He says he's. Eighty percent of fibre optic cables globally, go via the. U S. This is now accident and allows the? U S to view all communication coming in at least eighty percent of all audio calls. Not just meadow data are recorded and stored in the? U S the USA, then he said lies about its stores. Now then he said, the ultimate goal of the inner say. We talked about the official goals. All understandable said. The ultimate goal is about total population control

it is disturbing yes, disturbing, because it means the information gathered on people could be used to be a radically suppress. This Let's say your senator gunning, two sub programmes like these you got elected on deck you mean platform and all of a sudden you receive noted subtle notice that Europe, asked indiscretions, perhaps ideological or sexual or financial, or something else will be made hopefully public. If you persist in this, If you pursue this line investigation, what would you do, ladies and gentlemen, to blackmail? yeah seems like a good way to use this information. Will it looks like we're going to find out plans for that question, perhaps sooner than we all would like to think We are to be completely clear in no way saying that we approve this has occurred. We

though the three of us have not found an example a senator who was out for the inner and then got some weird. You know compromising photos and then turned off the search or anything, but we're saying with this still move with this its increasingly possible you'll, be interesting to see how Donald trumps seeming animosity that bit, himself in the intelligence community. There's no animosity there definitely animals now now, did you not see a speech yeah that doesn't exist, not think well Maybe let's say between the intelligence agencies and the president? I kid you guys. I mean he clearly had a little bit of a twitter with the CIA and the USA I mean about he accuse them of. Having shoddy intelligence when finding weapons of mass destruction and things like that. In our view, I am interested to see how that relationship plays out. It goes

It goes to a larger conversation, of course, about what the deep state is. Yoo, hoo hoo. Hold the reins of power and functions more than in a figurehead men are not of course mean that the press- are any president is necessarily a figurehead. I am saying that there are groups of unelected people who will tremendous amounts of power. And also in defence of the inner say to be absolutely fair. The inner sea has done amounts of work and successfully accomplice. Intelligence goals for the United States I put this out of may be an obvious thing to too many listeners by a big deal between the Anna say in the CIA is at the innocent. They don't have field operatives.

You're yeah you're, not you're, not gonna, see an inner, say. Age is a squad. You know like kicking down the door or something, and we as we have said in we're in fascinating and unpredictable time. It's quite possible that within a few months, this podcast could need an up date which gives rule endeavour to do so, but for as always whether or not, An organization like this exist whether or not you are. Concerned or unconcerned about the state of surveillance think very carefully about what you put out. There is not just a black box, the stuff does not disappear, and. If you have information that you would

to share, if you're affiliated with the USA member how he saw his joke about. If the USA was monitoring us tat, it had to be some poor unfortunate in turn. Yeah humph painfully familiar with, I entered a fork. Buddy. I hope of your listener. Hope things are all right. You see me at my worst joking aside. These stuff. They don't want you to know here is perhaps the extent the monitoring that is occurring, and it is not a theory, it is happening. So let us know you think we would. I would like to hear your opinions on the it s a we'd like to hear if it's a bunch deal alarmist do about nothing Higgins, Peggotty! If you will he has written or should people be concerned. And speaking of listener mail

she had gone asked today. First Shoutout goes to Miguel Miguel says you got, should make a video on South rich, a person who worked for the Dnc who was randomly murdered when someone tried to rob him but took nothing at the end with you, That someone legally information of the dnc- and it wasn't russian hackers, but the news went with russian hack just saying the guy who ran against Debbie Waterman shots can over made a video talking about the situation and he didn't see convinced it was a robbery gone wrong are either of you fellas familiar with the sir incidents. Oh yes, very familiar suffrage, you know, there's an interview with Julian Assange: Red disgusted. As you got should make a video on South rich, a person who worked for the Dnc who was randomly murdered when someone tried to rob him but took nothing at the end. Wikileaks had someone legally information of the Dnc and it wasn't

Perhaps that he's leaning in that way without saying it interesting, read about the story when it first emerged, but sadly There are apparently a lot of unexplained murder there they are happening or deaths I've been happening in the past. I gave her, so I always remember the british intelligence officer who apparently committed suicide by What shooting himself in zipping himself into a bag. Tat was locked outside. That's what I would do you talked about that ago? I'm gonna dig into this and then thank you so much for writing. Our next move it comes from Eric. Hey guys. I was listening to your podcast about grim moi Anna,

surprise. You didn't mention the Melis Malefico forum. Is that how you say that the witches hammer- that's all I know at which is hammer? It was a text published in fourteen eighty six on how to identify and interrogate witches. That is good enough. I to know always have that information with you, the School California State University, long Beach and they have the they haven't original edition. From that year, when it was published their special collections archive anyone can go to the special collections and actually sit down with the text and looked through it. It makes your skin crawl, looking at it does it have a big, bald green lady wish face that pops out of the spine. I dont know about that There are sections that are underlined with notes in the margins that could have been made by interrogators. Just there were listeners in southern California. They might want it the chance to go and see something like that person. Thanks keep up the good work Eric, who

he's right here seems like we're off to California. You know you, and I had talked a little bit about some of these different room was off air when we were, talking about what makes something a grim one in We went back and forth on some of this, because of the? What one of the questions will be? Is it just a collection of perhaps lore yeah pagan tax there something more of on compilation or is, anything related to ethical signs in if this was written for the purposes of witch hunts still carries a grim were end, I was we're off the air always reading intensely that I appreciate You writing in Eric, because I want us to travel to southern California. What do you think us I'm all about some travels hate. Science textbook beacons,

it a grim war in the future? Perhaps where may we ve lost some of what some of these scientific experiments that are now We would consider normal on regular now something as simple as using bay. Soda terms volcano? but then it's magic again. If we ve lost that Norway is a book that tells you it's a spell of how to do, and I was a thing that I was saying is like what constitutes a grim war is largely determined by what you consider to be magic right, That's where the paying out an hour, maybe I'm reached an average. Eighty feels to me like you could be slowly right. It could be a collection. Of procedure, all knew no steps to create. A battery. Oh my ass matter, hurry, thereby item thing is interesting. The way we interpret the contents and the intent yet

that's great. So in that case, if there was someone who consider themselves a practising magician or someone who did sir themselves adept at witchcraft They were using this book by which hunters too, you know Some kind of magical process than would de facto become a grandma without was the thing to that book that I brought up. The name escapes me where it was one the early collections of witchcraft law and it was kind of meant by the rider to make it peer, foolish and frivolous in some way and to not lend any weight to it and to kind of degrade. The catholic search for the part that it played in killing so many of us, with the writer considered to be innocent victims, potentially practicing witchcraft, which was completely harmless. What ended up being the use of this book. Was more in the witchcraft community people trying to find

intensive spells and evening. So again, I think it's also the intent of the user that determines whether or not to grow more access to seems to me a lot of magic working is about Ultimately, intent may go. Pretty interesting We have one more. We have one more shout out today and that is from Michael Michael says: hey guys, led the Pike ass listen to every week, downloaded all the emphasis from Itunes. Thank you, Michael. Have you ever thought about doing a video episode as in just having a camera in the studio set up, and we can see what happens when you were doing the podcast can please have a shout out if you got ever in Brisbane Australia. I can be your tour guide and you ve always get a free room to stay in nice, Michael, I would I can't I don't want to do that cost put a shirt on. I guess I don't know

How do you know only pod cast in the new than you'd him, the new with the many at or the meal jeweller, a cold meat Europe in my hand, I do declared a bit hot for linen somebody that gonna get so offended by us doing this and were totally does every vote with it because we are in at Lana worst we're southern boys. I don't think it's offensive. Somebody's gonna, be, please don't be a if someone is offended by that by. Character that were hatching up. Then Please send us an odd version of your complaint and tell us how we should do the voice. Thank you to Michael. Thank you too Eric and thank you too Miguel. This concludes weeks, edition of

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