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now, just joking I didn't mean to, I assure you. We were just all having a really interesting discussion and things just came out so venture fourth, listen and injured. Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is man, I name is now they call me Ben. We are joined, as always in spirit with our super producer, Paul Mission Control Deck and how ever, we have a very special super producer to day, and that is our good pow Arab third musketeer rider, died and MR nor Brow, I really do anything to set up the makes and record and made the protein session and make sure everything was broken. Maybe some people don't realize this? The first? What year our show almost was no brown, as our producer ain't even have a voice in two. You gave me like a corner at the end of the episode and then Matt you had a child, junior, lovely wife and where for a while, and men been invited me they can sit in for you and then you never fired me. You didn't you

ask permission you did us a tremendous solid, so thank you and now you're a part of the team. I really low these many years later and most importantly, you are you, you are here, and that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know this is this is a very profound strange episode for us. We Are people who tend to sit in a very bunker ask recording studio, but now we are not in our typical cavernous headquarters, we are recording in our Ellie studios. More of a penthouse ask studio lofty, I mean there's a window. I am, I am shrivelling I am. I am bizarre. May I help. You can also see amoeba records from here. While you can see the how they have the Broadway Holloway and if you look just a little further out of our field of vision, you can see the Scientology building one of many yellow sand. They just want to know

but today we are not. We are not, diving into our exploration honor, our treble lonesome. We are joined by a very special guest, whom some of your fellow listener. Some our fellow listeners me right nice, I e the sea where we started, did a show together. We are joined today with the masterminds behind unity, mastermind behind written Morty, the creator and host of harm in town, the podcast yeah. That's right, you're, a correctly we are joined with Mr Dan, harming din thanks for coming on the show. Thank you so much for having its surreal. For sure I mean well imagine the Surrey from my perspective the here, then I can say those words and also to see his face exists.

No tension when he got derailed between before you don't like he's just waited. Therefore it is a good guy and you are you guys, gonna via man, we're we're all about ritual is gonna. Stick to a well ritual ASEAN is important. This is we won everybody listening to know that we're we're approaching not just one Central Tom today, when they find some other stuff, along the way we might find one big thing, one big, a truth or a dilemma, conspiracy or belief, but you We hear a lot of references in the course of today's episode to our previous to a previous show, because we just it at last night and harm in town, and I believe that we're all. On the same page win, we wrapped the show ended up hanging out for life, an hour to continue talking about this stuff, domestication of dogs

came up, the world's biggest conspiracy right, lay and eight billion, this is out there if you are listening to the show and you do not listen to harm in town Rahman question. Some of these other shows like do yourself a favor, and put them into your phone or whatever device, while you're hanging out with us doing. This is jack them India brain anyway. You possibly can we're The way to that I don't know what the publishing scarcely. But I think the harm in town of research should be life by Thursday right you it'll, be live and free on Thursday and if you're, one of the cooler drinkers that help support us with subscription it if it was live that night and they download at any time. I still remember if we have episodes in the can, if this episode coming out before I think that this already beyond the wild, seeing

check it out immediately and pause and then come back. Cuz part of this is going to be kind of almost a continuation of that in a lot of ways. So, let's just part of the story want to provide the background on. We, we found out that we that we collectively enjoy applying critical thinking the concepts that are often treated as for lack of a better word, a third rail of sorts things that cannot be discussed or cannot be explored, and we we, when we learned that we were on that we were interested in this kind of thought process is. It is fair to say that

It was freaked out a little bit, or, I might add, is a minor idea and then we said well, let's, let's pick the brain, let it lets pick Dan harm and bring about some of the some of the things that are commonly called conspiracy theories, maybe even fringe beliefs, you know- and let's see whether there are any that stand out to you as particularly for one reason or another compelling it'll cost, sometimes we say that we can't let nor the story, but sometimes a story, won't let go of us kind thing and ends earlier interviews that you have conducted you. You ve noted things like J F K, right which we talked about private firstly, in a look a little bit, we didn't really get a definitive answer. When I saw the case,

I was actually surprised to find out that that, despite the differences between the three of you on that topic, that actually all three of you agree that there was some extracurricular shenanigans go for which would have been an easy thing to assume about everybody in lie. Out like, like, I don't know a while ago, but I like this new generation, I sort of cause. I've around in my old age, to being like, I think, has acted alone oh yeah, really, which may or may not be blasphemy two year listeners, but because it's just like such a sell out cuts. No, not you soon! I liked the term extra regulation is one of the things as one of the things it's odd, regardless of how the actual assassination occurred is the death of Oswald Right that that itself is, of course not a smoking gun, poor choice of words there, but it is

It is strange that at that time, probably one of the most heavily Sir veiled in protected individuals in the country right is, is, is assassinate range with a gun were just a pigeon ideas right brainwashing. Is it possible? Could we create could somehow influence someone's brain to do a set of actions that they would not normally do we know we can alter people's belief. I was pretty and advertising right. We can very easily changed some behaviors, but do do you believe that brainwashing of some sort would be put simple! Yes, yes, yes, because we have enough documented case study just in live from going through the seventies of you know before we had the internet? And you know

but after we had television, what we saw was a lot of leg. Fear I obviously on a panic about it that exaggerated it, but we did see evidence in public life these these big stories of, like your people, being able to have a massive amount of influence over the over the thought process of of of of p I mean, I don't think I can you taken individual tie them would share, and over their absolute proof, ass, lip them from kind of human beings to another. That might be a different question, but we all know you can definitely change or persons value system. You can change a person you can you can you can and Patty urged from from an heiress into a bank robber. We ve known you, you can do that, probably simply through denying her a certain amount of food and water?

and saying a certain amount of things I mean. That's, that's that's an easy baseline. Don't that's the thing about brainwashing mean the brainwashing has to have complete control over the target, and that includes everything from my sleep patterns to when you eat when you don't eat. What how you conduct your data. They live and it becomes this pattern and then you absolutely can you know train somebody for lack of a better word turn. It be a certain way. Women, but you guys, have asked the can you erase memories bran aside? That's the thing is like so apparent Patty Hearst as an example, I I don't. I doubt she forgot that she was an heiress that might have been fuel for the fire for her. They were pride. We, no, you can't take a shower. You can't p in this bucket. You can't until you are, stand at the under classes are being exploited by the unity youths and and they would, she was able to do is transformed herb, like consciousness. And go IKEA. You know what you guys are kind of giving me a square deal than than my

family. By did she forget who she was now lying? I work out of me to say no, I don't know, but I'm so like will that's a different thing the manchurian candidate thing that I've been question. Can you t you take up a patriot from four from behind enemy, lined put him in a window s room and subject them to experiences. That will mean then go back to America. Make love to their wife on the whole time lag secretly and triggered by some phrase like re. Remember that they just want to kill Gandhi, and, unlike you, do not know why, like Sir HANS Sir Harangue, but without being necessary, a member of a military service rare out that dress. Ok. So would it what? If you could do that over time? And you you can program, let's say an entire population through the

Television content that exists or the news that comes out or the the prevailing feelings within a society to get enough to see what we see these days, which the mass shooters that exist everywhere. Do you think, there's anything you guys think it's possible at all. Then our society has almost rimmed a group or a generation of certain people who feel a certain way to act on on some of those feelings. The sound too, is a third I, like you, I mean like do when you say that it makes me think, I'm just like the way Fox NEWS and Donald Trump, this like weird echo chamber kind of really sort of regurgitating this information back and forth and is serving an agenda and certain people that feel a certain way can be triggered by and trigger to act, because it is kind of hateful and kind of insidious. And it ultimately, is this dog whistle way of telling people to like

A thing want to feel it took to feel a certain way and guess what I'm saying is there? There are areas on the internet where you can go to and have all of those things then repeated back to you again and again and again in it I'm am genuinely little nervous about that. The way we ve kind of spliced off all of these different negative, very, very negatively focused thoughts. I dont know generally created an environment where politics aside, we with pre, we ve teat up individual humans for for lack of a better word Article is Asia and an end, and if that word makes people cringe cause they're tired of hearing it directed against their political into the spectrum. I I stress that I don't. I really am just using the word to mean, regardless of what

your beliefs are the amplification of them and the nudging in a sociopath direction of about them that that results in what we would have called in our youth a typical teenage phase, for instance, where we were nihilistic, suicidal we were massage an estate. Probably if maybe I should speak for myself, but you go through these phases, Ray you're like its everyone's fault but mine- that I'm feeling like that part of this world I was not plugged into a machine at that time that had this much power too, amplify. What I was thinking reward me for what I was thinking and, more most importantly, of all about the real radicalism. Asian word is giving a thirty five year old man access to me at that phase, whereas, like a guy that would be roused to for spending that much one on one time with a fifteen year old

park or a zoo or even at a neighborhood party, but on the internet is a guys like a love selling. This brought propaganda, my gift shop- and I like, I also have my own political agenda and as this is kind of a thing we see across the political spectrum, is older, dude leg capitalizing on the fact that teenagers they there there. During a few state. They are there. There neural maps are like developing and you can do some real, interesting sculpting with a young brain. If you it's a, I have benefited from that. You know like I make television shows that make young people feel better,

hopefully in thirty six year olds, without yet I why, but I've been doing it long enough that I have twenty five year old that come to me and say when I was fifteen, I I was I was. I wasn't sure what I was going to do. It is terrible. Things happened to me in its efforts at our and your show was there and I leaned on it, and I just think to myself. You know how fortunate for them in me said that I'm I'm as benign as a load low wall that they can just They could just a leaner by how many of us remember being it, does weak stages of our life and lake encountering less than benevolent forces a you gotta, take pity on the on the younger generation. Now, because it's like there's just there's just no there's it. We ve reached a society where there's no there's no Guffey tank

more ways like so this was a Joker movie at everyone. Neither like is indifferent to thinks is dangerous insidious or they think it's some kind of, like mere of our society, like Michael, more made a big to do about how he thought it was dangerous. Now, to see it, because it's literally with a guy you're talking about are like the way media. I can like in fact somebody and cause them to kind of feel, like they're alone size against them and then to act out in these ways right, so he says he thinks this is really important vision of that and it's like a cautionary tale. But then there are people that say this movie. That will do the very thing. He sang is trying to commentary on, unlike in sight those fifteen rules that are maybe at that transitional period where they could take it in a positive direction. Taken in Gary Direction and like push them to do that. I think is really interesting question you know like media

is their responsibility like in creating media to lake, be benevolence I would. I would be in a firm column of God. I mean if we're, if we, if that's the direction, we have to go what are we doing as a society? An unbiased about that, because I make my money saying whenever I want. I just happen to have benign goals, but I really do I just feel so if, if everything starts to feel so futile, if, if It went once you go across a threshold of well everybody. His voice is able to reach more than a thousand people have responsibility over over their ears and their brains like it's sort of like that's true ethically, but when it becomes true in a in a real way at she seems like we're gone as a species

the same time its exact so important to recognise that all the internet is doing is like it's like an early stage, Telepathy box, that is only exchanging the most thoughts and what were finding out about our species. Is that we're not that into reading or not that hinder research? not that and a re mapping, our brains. We actually have at this stage were finding out about ourselves that, whether whoever's fault that it may be, if you give us a box that can like give us other thoughts like we kind of, are gonna tend to keep hitting the button that says, make me feel about who I am first leg, I don't I don't wanna ya, wanna be a better person, but this buttons as I am already a good person that makes me feel like a better person, hillbilly box, I mean That'S- does calculations also it's it's a question of technological innovation right one column,

those opposing our very slow, but I our view is slightly speeding up pace of evolution or natural selection. We have these. Oh, we have these brains that are designed to do there. Basic things in their all there are they all go back to these very basic drives and it sounds cliche to say it, but you know only real value to our species as far as our species, with everything else get out of it are only real value. Isn't, as individuals is to make more of us that's and its terrible to see it that way, because it is so true across any large scale. Human example which anew

It was a bit hyperbolic, but it's not inborn in this species to preserve other species. It's not inborn to preserve individuals. That's for sure, and now we see that we have a greater amount of of tool, and we also have this. We also have, in general, this plummeting boundary of privacy. I think without without putting any of us on the spot. Oh we're, we here in this room and many of us listening are old enough to look at a world in which people grew up with Youtube. You can start to you to channel

years old. They got no idea how you gonna feel about that when you're sixty two zero. I end that's because there that we have this evolving concept of of privacy and privacy, as we understand it now is, is very short lived right. We have we think of victorian era we think of pilgrims and how they seemed high minded immoral, but entire family, lived in one room and they heard their parents banging each other on a regular basis right, which is which is its true in its scandalous. It scandalous stuff like that something will call child services on in some parts of the world today but the normal is changed in a new one, rambling a little thanks for coming to my TED talk, but the point here the point here

that we are fundamentally ill equipped at this juncture to work with the things that we have created. A euro filer Farnsworth invents the television when these fourteen years old and he's like ploughing Asia. Is God not the best life and he's like ploughing off across the field, and he goes. What if we could send an image line by line the wind plough in this field is cardinals farming socks. I want to do something else you and then we created thing: you're, not ready for the example always use here is: is the scene and fantasia. You know where the sorcerer's apprentice C mere. I found a new way to mob and he gets overwhelmed so are we are we reaching a point where we where our evolution as an organic species is meat. Bag speeds up to match the exponential curve of technological enough

sure I've always wondered the same thing I do when I last night. The idea, like you breed dogs a certain way, but then certain behaviors kind of transmit through the genes or whatever the idea of epic genetics. I feel like it's gotta, be happening with with humans with all the technology, we haven't various generations like skills that we may be lose as a result. The leaning on this technology so hard. Do they do that their necks generational, loose to like gonna shortly gonna long enough time line, or maybe it is accelerated? Like I said yeah they mean there. Is I my Fred Ryan Kraus, who, as it is by gas, will plug a cold case. Murder mysteries. I call him Asperger detective on our show their way. That's how we, madam, I use the term admiringly the he he's. Very relentless in his position on that show? No matter,

murder is discussing a kind of always comes around two. How we're all gonna be a sigh and any he he looks at it. Things you that lands and his view of sociopaths is basically at risk of ruining is not letting you know not paraphrasing him accurately. Is that sociopaths or are based We debugging tools they are, they will always be around. We will never them out, because the Erika the lot your human experiment, biologically profits in the larger, since no, no matter how much we suffer for the existence of sociopaths, we all benefit largely from our existence. Because who else is going to be stupid? Slash smart enough time in it

take a fire acts to their family for the insurance money try to rob this bag to take these hostages to drive their car over the speed limit leg, a whatever the bounds that we create so there we can have a social contract. A sociopath comes around and either out of sheer stupidity and selfishness, because there are there not exclusively smart people, mergers only difference between them and us, as they just don't. Have that like there's they're, just off the great emotionally here at the end, they they tend to Do these things that are like Hey I'm Lizzie Board and I think I d got out I'll, kill my family in that way. Out of a better life as a person and lake YE do there's different lenses. If you look at that person is a hero or a villain, it really doesn't matter, but the objective truth is this is a person who didn't didn't agree with our rules, that it was a huge risk and not worth it at all to grab and acts and like take it to your family,

and and what happens is these people either they get away with it, which means the system was flawed and then the system changes so, time, socio passer, hey, they may be there, they thereby tomorrow's activists, they they changed the rules and whenever, but typically it's more like you expend a bunch of law enforcement energy. Trying to like make sure that this system works, no matter how disgusting people look at and that from an evolutionary perspective we keep generating this variety of human brain and it keeps in not going to evolve away from horrendous monstrous thoughts. It's not gonna evolve away from the one in a hundred chanced at your kid as us rulers and one in a hundred in a village or in Nebraska

in final Farnsworth time, one in a hundred means you're, always outnumbered a hundred the one with your weird, crazy, Jeffrey Diamond thoughts that are locked away in your head, and that is that takes a weird fucking turn The day the internet happens because one in a hundred becomes a million people like possibly on all together in the same room, if everyone's on Twitter, if three million people aren't winter it. A million sociopaths, are on twitter that that it that differ depending on where you live get the what the plan was for our species. If there was a plan that, either our undoing or it it's the game on lay its it's ok, the party have illegally create. This is what we ve been leading toward,

it all comes down to what you believe, almost religiously in that sense of like do you bill eve that, like our speed This is kind of you believe that so fish. Jean gotta thing we're like there's a there's, a weird syn since to simply dna that it we're all suckers in that that they did an actual, almost like quasi, essentially to life itself, that is locked in molecular transference and banging against that candy store window going like just invent hard drives. You useless fox glaring monkeys like lately as a city like they get started. His colliding molecules in a vacuum of space, and I was like yes replicate, replicate replicate now. You know how to do that now now: land than a planet where the replication can equal leg with primordial, seek and like it was it all Just been this dance of lag,

Give me something I don't care if it's a honey bee, a giraffe or a really stupid, chimps. Give me what which animal is going to take information, storage and retrieval to a point where I have to stop Dick and around with carbon based life. I am information. I am the only living thing, that's kind of where I stand that that's that's where that's what I think the big conspiracy is police. It is that is that we are Patsy's in the grandest scheme possible of simply life itself. God, information lay, I should say, life itself, because life, I think, is actually, I think it's an intermediaries and that's that's fashion, because this is something in that is. This is something the matter no, and I have talked about at various stages over the course of the show on and off the air for four years.

And it's something that you originally brought to us man all these years ago, pants Burma as us relation thier, oh yeah, and that I think, is really let you can plug your nightclub are barely recommended dies. Governors play by bill hate arose for sure, but yea The idea, then that what's interesting, that's a macro cosmic! analog to. I think, therefore, I am right, there's a big heart in there and there's the idea, then that there is a eight slash. Eight, it's somewhat comforting. You know it's! I I can see the appeal of that. The concept that there would be, sort of maybe not a huge ideology about silly shit. You can and cannot do in the moment, but maybe this this

larger grander scheme or beyond that? Maybe two simple thoughts ray and that that quickly goes. I would say into that that quickly leads us into concepts, like the idea of a simulation theory or like the idea that that even super super symmetry right yeah go into. That is only really want asked you about just because some of the themes that delve into and a lot of your work, and particularly in Britain Morty, but in other places too, were there he's really Hetty ideas and concepts about the nature of the universe, about what possibly could exist or whether or not it just a bunch of parallel universes that exist wrapped around each other in a giant onion or whatever the Morbus Strip. Moebius Strip looks like

simulation theory like do you know anything about this, and I want to take a bath. I mean I think, as far as a layman can know what I mean just the idea, no, like ie lawns kind of he. I guess he kind of popularized. It if that's the river offended you anyway, I like, I think he brought you he got everybody started talking about it, yeah, there's this guy Robert Gates. That says he found error, correcting codes on in the lowest possible levels of super string theory where it appears is that the very stuff that the universe is made out of maybe written in computer code, this is at least as this one guy brilliant physicists, but here he has discussed it on stage with with Neil digress. Thyssen show me that we like respects. You know in a feel like Astro Physics, but the aim. It sounds silly, but that concept that perhaps this entire thing

is, is a simulation run on corner computer that speaking of the size of the universe, her Moreno, ten acts? Whatever of the universe is in one. Two eight unawares, like brains in jars like his dislike matrix territory- where either ethic what we ve come to think about and egg brains and jars is incredibly flat. During an area where Lego obey we wish likely illegally. That would mean that the simulation was made for us, the even to even this sucker be to use out of our body by rigorously solar powered robots, but like the simulator, in theory, has it that is just sort of like it's more it's a little more bleak, but also a little more Hindu where it says like the fact that we are now thinking about the possibility of what, if you could simulating universe kind of goes hand in hand with the distinct possibility, like this, the inevitable

of us one day, technologically being able to stimulating universe, plus our obsession with wanting to do it kind equals in an almost mathematically in argue away the distinct possibility that we could be in any simulation, cause? How the hell would we now and then from there. The mine can have just goes berserk as yet. You say is that why you can't get Europe past points, here zero euro, whatever seconds after the big bang? You know you can't reduce subatomic particles to anything that makes sense like, we were never going to solve for the universe as an actual physical thing. It's like some philosophy when I want it, makes me think of Plato. Allegory of the cave were alike.

End up in a cave. We can turn our heads and we can only see the wall where shadows are projected in the fire is behind us and the puppeteers are like making the shadows, and that's that sort of like a rudimentary version of simulation theory kind over there. I always thought it was sort of appropriate. That's a good day. That's a fantastic comparison, because in the allegory of the cave, when people leave the cave and go outside a hate it they think it's terrible as they have learned unflattering things about themselves or they have not, they have not encountered something that kind of yes added them. You know- and this is also a cause into my not the system- is this concept that that that there is some sort of hidden thing right. There is some sort of greater reality why are there certain boundaries? Why can why

Can we, after a thousand- years of I would say, doing a b plus job of trying why can we not answer? fundamental existential questions, where's the nature of consciousness. To this to the software hardware idea, are we sitting here as more or less yo, more or less physical, analogue his hardware for some kind of software, interacting in some sort of some sort of network that we can't prove because we are using the wrong tools like a how do how do we prove prove the idea of a reality of a universe when we have first I've not not

good understanding of what a boundary of the universe, is, we can't we can go back a certain forward? I know a little bit and we're looking through classes telescopes. I think the big the big question there is what the mentioned the search Stan you mention, the idea that people can we know eventually, inevitably, we will be able to simulator universe right, and we know that if we make it right, if we make it it's always that ass trick, always that you know I mean your personal experience may differ

one thing I don't want to lose, though, is with this with this concept with this idea that there may be something greater that we may be simply as, as you say, well, fingers on a hand or link suckers on technical or something like. If, if that is true, then does that mean going back to the original question met? Does that mean that there is a possibility of a multi verse lake as it is? Is it possible that somewhere, in some other facet of whatever the thing, whatever the thing may be, is it possible that the everyone listening is doing something different? You know what I mean is there a universe to the left of ours is the issue that affects the adoration and x. You just run. The sequence is many times you want to have emerged.

If you think about it. If it truly was a programme of that sort, would the power it would be powerful enough to where you We just run out what is usually the point of a simulation that most useful point of assimilation is to drive, hold down as something that otherwise takes too long through happenstance, better just game. In any in a brute force way. That's that's kind of like Bleakest. Part of simulation theory to me is that when you start to think why and who, for whose benefit and what benefit would that be? And I start and I I like only work with what I currently no I dont, know and then go ok salaries and I would simulator universe. I guess would be

let's say time, travel- turns out to be absolutely impossible. The matter why you can't no matter how smart you get, no matter, how much intelligence you a crew, you can't he can never go back. You can never, but what you can do is theorize about how the universe was created and based on that theory, you create a universe a simulated one and then everything that we're talking where right now, all of our lives, our birth certificates or loss of Kennedy. Our favorite Bruce Springsteen sign olive it meaning will you hear all of it all of it? The means nothing

and when you lost your virginity, pants Burma, the hunt Springsteen might bring air was great. There was a great diamond. I yes, I was there. The password was familiar always is. The answer may be that that that there's functionally infinite similar, Asia is either one after the other is that might make us more comfortable, but the reality is probably just MA fanned out and that the point of all of the simulations is a let's call it a computer. But what is it it's? What we become one day and by we I mean whenever they how we become the thing that might not be able to go back and have a thing that that that that that this this tongue, that split into a trillion taste buds so that it could try to taste itself unsuccessfully

and then finally, like all his taste buds reunited into one big numb tongue. That was like, I know everything, I'm not racist anymore. I die, but there's no point to anything and that it was like. But what is the one thing I have left? God dammit, it's a saint pocket thing. We are talking about what we are doing all this park ass when we thought we were multiple people. Where did I come from an? Why am I here and then it's ok, that's it before I put. The cosmic Gun in my mouth, which I may not be able to do- that. The other thing I might not be able to do is die gun is also meet the I'm going to launch with all of my resources, which are infinite infinite, number of simulations, because I will I all I can do- is try to hit the wine that the version of a universe, a simulated universe that might prove

theory of how a universe could exist without being simulated as well. We're way before that ever happened that poor Fucker column Thor whoever this guy has a leg or lady. Thank you, ladies. The de that thing has definitely had to come to the conclusion that it probably Samuel to begin with such is good at. What do you think? I got the idea? I mean we're it wait. You know we're we're we're weird amish compared to the people that are actually going to start booting up genuine simulations of a universe within our simulation, so we're already talking about it. We we haven't gotten past the Tesla yet, and we're already like so snobby about universe is in reality a hundred years from now people are going to be like all right like like I get it, I'm a simulation, that's going to be a de facto thing and

those are our grandchildren who are going to go when they create each other. They're gonna go None of this is real. There is now and they're gonna make love with their Barbara Fingertip pills in three yeah yeah, I do. I gotta get lost amount, but, as I say, I guess that's the bleak part is the is the possibility that there is no purpose to simulate that you are simply a flock of spaghetti being thrown at a wall. That yeah, you're, overwhelming likely purpose is, is a negative result that that that that is simply to affirm that that there's nothing to see here so that it make up a larger picture of like where there might be something to see

However, I would therefore we slash arrests and, yes, I real down. I do want to say, though, that can easily be flipped into a credible uplifting thing, because what man it is in our lives, but the time that we're alive, no matter what, if it's a simulation or not, and what is more liberating to a species than to if we were to actually realized. If we could convince humanity go guys, we were chimpanzees. We were tat bye, bye, bye, the Odessa Brody Hydra of fighting like cosmic plans? This thing has one goal for us, which is to make ourselves absolutely like. We are getting so close as of the petty bite of Hake like putting ourselves out of a job. Can we please realise that if we go by chimpanzees standards, we have nailed, it were Richie, rich and if we

stop right now and just hit the floor and fuck and like I eat nuts and berries and grew Marseilles and disco dance like we would we be cheated the system legally, we could we could do it. We could just stop

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choose to drink martinis in my tent and make jokes about the korean WAR and I choose to make the Korean WAR last eleven years in syndication I choose to spend all rules like you, fucked up, you trust a chimpanzee. You get what you pay for like we, we we we can talk, we can podcast, we can party we're calling that the top of the line and like we're just going now. Do the club is called pansy value rather than one would think you really love about. Morty is like there's a place for shit like you just went through in that show where there wouldn't be in any other cartoon sure I can imagine why the cost of you seem like black mirror, like disturbing science fiction, that is really important to me about the shows its fine. It's hard fell back as the ass these kinds of questions and it bit it. Does it an intelligent and engaging way?

and it makes me think of conversation about the episode we're like there's like a tiny universe? Unlike this battery, you it's powering Rick spaceship and then those people make another tiny universe in that tiny universe in those people make another tiny. You say that it makes me think of the simulation theories that was wondering where that idea came from and like that's exactly where it came from a method, we wait, wait, wait. We would talk endlessly about that stuff underwriters room lowered, serve Ike adds. That is what we do right where he was. We talked about domestication of dogs. Last I get the dogs are sort of an expression of our that. That's that's technology that that humans learned they could manipulate. That's biotech like we learned that if you make this shelty fuck this other shouting and you leave this shelty, that's not behave in the way we want to do that. Then you change what a shell Diaz and looking into this there was a very interesting question regarding this.

Is there was this idea it was originally pose, as can dogs be racist, that was the original. That was the starting point of that. Question bears a radio lab about that by the way that I think they re delve into question, and I can't remember what they found get the will aid. What was fastened to win. Is there there's a lot of neural chemistry a play in? There is also the question of people not being entirely conscious, aware self aware, like I even think not met a cognitive about why they do things teaching writers, teaching another creature That will also remember, replicate n and maybe at times instruct that kind of behavior. Oh, we have these imperfect teacher.

You don't really know the curriculum their teaching, and then we have these, maybe not the smartest but very dedicated students who people's behaviour, and so we went down into this idea of have people have human beings or the earlier mix, tapes of human beings in the concurrent ones? Have they have the trains? Have they train dog so much that they became Like did they stare at the least so long that the leash stared back at them today are of a dark train, yeah give them all the things they need, and in this part of the conversation that that haunted me just a bit was the the idea that we can trace. Could we trace the origin point of that first interaction? That first, king id homo, whatever interaction and then from that. Could we could we?

find another bread, Cromer, another line or red string on the board that that traces, Lee evolution and then could we find some sort of inborn thing such that people who came late to the cane it game, verses, people who came early for lack of a better word? O could could we find the real about that, and so I looked into the origins like them. Some of the most recent research, on the evolution of domestication of dogs and, there are maybe three gases and their very broad and there and even the people. Who were like hard core about it relate this is where it happened. I think, probably

guys. I don't know, I'm just trying to get funding, so there is a sure about the origin of the domestic dog as that we are about ourselves. Yet a boy and his dog kind of thing, not the not the Ellison Stupid the boy in his dog sort of convenient myth is, is just that being point that Syria or the fertile crest enter there. Three we re guesses, but they're all. They're all kind of roughly roughly based on where a an extinct version of Wolf is thought to exist. So there's like foresee the map there's east asia- theirs

America, wanna, say miss in the second one and then there's and then there's a specific region of Europe. But when I say specific, I just mean Lake in broad Euro north of this barred. Aris do this part, you know they dont have theirs night, there's not a dig site where anyone found like the first homo sapiens homo neanderthal. Is there something and then the first dog hanging out you know here, so we really dont know which means I I hate to agree. I hate to agree with this kind of inability to pinpoint a beginning and ending to what we call reality, but that means that this

that that means that we are. We have been outpaced by the technology we created since the very beginning, bright light, because we don't know- and this has been my kind of a sound like a joke, but I truly, I just think I just asked the question of my bike- has: how do we know the extent to which dogs have shaped our evolution? If dogs- if we all agree that since the beginning, which we can't pinpoint that they will wait this broad estimates hundred thousand years, fifty thousand years that dogs have have have been by our sides. How do we know the extent to which the ability to read a dog's phase to be comfortable around a dog to be able to sense win a dog

is, or is it going to growl or share or We know that those things didn't becomes survival traits that that lent to our own natural selection within our own species. I mean for God's sakes to what extent does the ability to work with a Camaro affect the gene pool of a trailer park from nineteen, sixteen and eighteen, ninety like my colleague I e it is now at stake. It. Don't don't don't ask me, I don't know when the camera was, but it's like you either. Imagine for God's sake, slake eighty year the variability run a dog as the code that it is late, yeah, of course, before the television remote control existed before chimneys needed to be. Web before when dogs were the height of technology

I mean like people that work dog people could possibly have been just gone now there in some parallel universe, where we didn't domesticate dogs and those people are in charge. Just hyenas, it is really odd to and how dire that technology was when you are dealing with a wolf in those little things, you're talking about them, the micro movements on your face, your ability to really sense whether or not this animal is going to attack or not like. That is those those minute things are so vital throughout the learning of that, because they tat goes there's a chain reaction that takes place. You- and I was a kid I was always told, like dogs- can smell, fear an allowance because things and you have reactions of neighbourhood dies. I grew up in the Midwest there. Weren't, like leash laws, things like Egypt run across a random dogs and maybe they're random doc stops. Unlike takes you in his like, and I I don't know how much of it

Superstition and pop science by I had been told as a kid like, don't don't be afraid dogs can smell, fear and so you'd have, and that of course causes what reaction and you and your on interest rates died and then so then it happens in all of the dog is growing and barking at your viciously, India, like I fucked up man, it's not my fear that that, like the level of interaction we're having with dogs from the beginning you guys you guys probably know, I'd I'd I'd, say they discussed blows my mind, the effect that idea that they take you know they put a laser kind of tracker dogs had at one point in way They they definitively known out at dogs. They they look at one side of the human face. The fact that they look at her face is insane the orange part, the fact that they know what pointing is the date that they look at our face.

Like. Why? Don't they think that we are our hands? Those are the things that have food. The answer is because the ones that were reading human faces are gone dead men tell no tales, they could they didn't reproduce and the ones that could pick up on the human face and those ones all look at one side of it. Why? Because it's slightly more expressive by like a couple of NATO microns of musculature, We have one side of our face. That's all that that tells us little bit more weather pissed disappointed or heard how about racist That's why I think it gives razor. Your explanation is no dogs, probably, why would being raises help them survive?

what helps them survive way more easily is being able to read their owner and if their owner is crossing the street every time they, but you know it's like they're, going to they're, probably just great amplifiers of our internal, like unrecognized anxiety of We see no people. Whilst I love the way we talk about daddy of dogs. Is technology like it makes perfect sense for many really thought it quite like that, and one point you may last, I was like relying on the book sapiens and how when how to use tools that was in advance. But I never really progressed pass that and then homo sapiens could use tools, but could also like organise better I would like to fight every time, and it was like Neanderthal, camera neanderthals hand, tools, Erlich, Homo erected, that's exactly what Harry like tools, specialists, the point as though you the idea that we was it annotation for us to figure out how to work with dogs and affected our evolution? The same way that, like an affected revelations, were effected,

probably an extension of what it like like that. Guy is big kind of thesis. Is that the one thing that were really good at that that rains down to everything else is work good at believing in bowls Harare, where'd, you good gossip were good at eighty ology, we a tree related into our ability to say things like hey, when go kicks him neanderthal asked tomorrow? Why, who told you that's a good idea you haven't heard of him. His name Steve, Meanwhile, in the end or camp there like heavy. If you see these like, I was a boy, like walkin around. I think their dicks are, who told you that Steve, I dont Know- Steve up and get back to the under and max doubt at functionality like a hundred neanderthals, meanwhile, is twenty thousand homo sapiens over the hill tweeting up a storm like just in its. Oh bombing, that's, how

our capacity to invent language and flags and ideologies like we take things that are real more seriously than things right in front of our goddamn, face louse technology, and especially that economy between what is real. What what is more real, what is the priority? He was moral. What's that net universes created by Bethesda and other your game companies, as I hear you talking about, fall out all the time and as other games, and I know we're all like some sky rim- some way Give me an open world where I can exist my mind off of this one for a little while- and you know have enough agency to where I can feel as though I am doing something get the rewards. I don't wanna derail too much when you guys feel like I'm just trying to apply that

kind of maybe it's just the impulse that we have of wanting to escape. In you know, a lot of the things you must do is to escape. Having too, deal with whatever were having to deal with an eye. One am I just go wait, you off the rails ears, I'm even know what I'm trying to. Tell you where there are no rails money. I want aroused his way back to a lot of what we're talking about yearly entertaining so there we got so good at organizing into all these things. We ve created these these all. A failure. Rivers do care about a thing I want to say a simulation of sorts. I guess so, but in this in this work, in yeah yeah. You can build things like him like in minecraft or some really that were, you can just endlessly create something well completely ignoring all this infernal, that's what I was completely ignoring the consequences, because there's no consequences in the game, even if you like play

now earlier whatever? Like I mean you know, at the other day, there's no real consequences to which you put on the flip side of that, maybe also the utter stability of consequence like as in if you're, if you play an open world sandbox game, what's the one thing that really piss you off some bog or bad game design. That involves you coming back into the game and some shit that you put some energy into and one by experience and hardship and practice that is somehow undone, that is lake rigour we get so angry, because what are we getting from a video game that way getting from your life, just consistency, Minecraft best example ever which may also knitting Emmy. Naturally, because I I ate an Don domesticated like I did, this thing is damn there is not going anywhere leg

we draw such like we're addicted to that country. We are, after all, pattern recognizers like TAT His are double down bad. We are chimpanzees gone haywire with this obsession of finding in predicting patterns, and then we get this rush. When we successfully say well according to everything that I put all this energy into. If I plug this wire into this thing, this is going to come up. It's going to be a red light and when it happens, we holy shit. Can we be, really take any time to celebrate, because celebration doesn't Spyker, are dopamine quaint as much as going on to the next thing we go, we are celebration the form of like. Do you realize what this means I can do this means I can make three of lakes if I get three workers and then we moved so we move on to the next thing that arguable is going to frustrate the hell out of us

find out. It's certain point way. Now we thought something was wrong with that. Why is it now that just three wires? There's? It's fucking up and we we act like we hate that This means that can make three colors of law sing that doping mean spike of when we we get the positive results. We just don't want that positive result. Taken away from us and that's what the I think that's what video games provide it is. It is this fantasy that we were. We were promised by God in real life. Hey. If you guys find an apple and it's the right color you bite into it. It's not going to kill you and time and time again, life lies bite into it? There's a worm that we we were, we were promised by God in real life, hey if you guys find it

tell me: ok, ok I'll incorporate die like all invent a worm detector, but to take a we expect results. You know and then gods alone, oh man, you man, you ever hear hurricane. Whenever broke so on. You thought you understood. The economy got a nice penthouse New Orleans like I, whenever MAO really good, you keep changing them, rules, Ling, Minecraft, don't do that. I'm gonna build a thing that always has the same rules right, I'm s gain and I'm excited to welcome you to a brand new season of land and silence package. We have an amazing aroused her talent. This isn't I promise you, you don't want to miss. One single episode. Tell me some man Monday night, at no central and in these ten join ask your assignment pack available every week at shell. Under I heard wherever you get your past.

Show off off MIKE. We we looked around and realise that, do we ve? Actually, we ve been talking for some time. At least the way were measuring time in this reality, or this interpretation there of and Dan we ve been, we ve been sort of waxing, we ve been, we ve been philosophizing and, oddly enough other than a two or three things we haven't. We haven't bridged any sort of specific conspiracy, and so, unlike me, to create man firm action,

my fire. I can't believe we didn't get the most work. You ve ever gotten done during my tenure here now. I think we'll get it. I think we will probably be completely transparent. We probably and twelve episodes that we have to go back now and do we have to do like again, an hour on the stuff tat we touched. I think we all agree. This is going to be a free wheeling thing and we don't always get to do that, but that its really fund too, like Lenin Letter Ripley Help me combine with John Hodgman doesn't create like I guess all mine when I went to those whom you guys probably have some pretty intelligent, pretty non star, foggy fans that are like out here

like don't want me to do that? John Hodgman? That was supposed to be the intro just going to be a fun little thing to plug his book, and then it just kept going and ended up being a great episode, and I really believe that's why we wouldn't have put it out if it hadn't been an interesting perspective on something that we talked about all the time we just secret societies is inside for information that kind of help this demystify secret societal over and we let a role because it was great and we had a good time and listeners. I think, dig it and he never told us who that person was There are those members when I pulled up to these guys, hoping we park as they did, did Hodgman tell you who this flag, rich douche bag, is that as the parties at Masonic lodges and they That was the one that he wished to be re, invited to rescue the beans and booking snake. I think, but then there is like the Nondescripts Illuminati ask gathering that he would not devolved switch just

because I find it interesting and I think it actually is interesting near listeners like that is a question that came up when you guys were my pike. Ass was his idea of you guys sank. The people about keeping secrets which sort of undercuts The feasible of some of these works stream. Half moon landing scale conspiracies however, when you you unpack certain small scale, things they like, for instance, the fact John Hodgman, got invited to this super swaying key like us, surrounded by rich famous people, all of whom were told keep this a secret cause. That's how we like to do it and his sentiment amount. It was. I wrote I described in my book, I'm describing it here

I'm not telling you who it was because I wanna be invited back, and I found that to be a profound portrayal of like the other side of the that that theory, which is that okay, nine hundred and eleven couldn't be an inside job because look at the doofuses that were in power when it happened. How could they possibly have pulled off the suppression of nine slash eleven when they couldn't even defend against nine slash eleven, illegal egg and we get kind of addicted to that feeling. Sometimes, but then again, it's like there are other kinds of conspiracy that are like it. Easier to keep a secret sometimes yeah. I know about him forth on their last night was the idea of like mass. We will even with the recipient stuff the idea. If you know how to cooperate through stories like mass scale, cooperation is sort of our bread and butter species, but by the idea like how could these warring factions? You know who operate a and then keep a secret in Africa

how long you're gonna talk about the end of sapiens. You're talking about how it applied to write No, I didn't in a new weep with came up last night or the idea was. There are absolute examples of that kind of cooperation. When you can point to that benefit bright, whether it continuing to enrich your boogie me Illuminati were gathering pals or whether it's you know to countries that have something to gain one of the most effective benefits. However, at least my impression from our conversation, there was the avoid means of consequence re descriptors, water marked in newgate? copy of a man three and near like it's it. It's like look Oh really wants you to take a leg of as like I'm I'm making up this example. I swear to God, but it's like you eat year, you don't wanna, be uncool,

like ITALY Day, it's the fear of consequence, if you guys, after the after, we had stopped bigger. Okay. This is a thing we do with all our guests. Get out the pipe we're gonna smoke. This like three inch larva from the Amazon. It's going to make. You see the dwarves that construct time And don't tell anybody that we did this? Okay, I'm eventually going to tell Duncan Trussell I'm going to tell a lot of people, but if it's tied to like, if that smoking, that worm gives me an organ beyond which I've never had and then You tell me at the end of it like we do it once a week if and where and your now, you now have a tracker in your body because of the way

make the worm actually sends out a signal. If you tell anybody about it and then you, you simply will deny it and you won't ever get to do it again and if someone else who is also has one he's trackers violates that, then you are as part and parcel duty bound to reality, and that is that of an eye, the ita that that holds fast, that that could that confounds The idea of humans can keep a secret humans. Gatekeeper secret, because usually by and large betraying a secret, has a lot more dopamine spike to offer them keeping it. But yeah like the example I use downstairs like even if it's a simple leg of United Airlines had a programme that was like, for whatever reason, free first class. Wherever for us

we live. I have to do is never tell anybody about it. Fine, I have no no profit from telling people flying for his classical just yell at me anyway. My tweet it with you. So of course, I'm going to tell anybody it's like. Why would I, but I still I still not a hundred percent on board. I think it's. I think it is steadfast like it's a watertight point point, but it doesn't. I think we have to consider time, because the function over time also also challenges Alec when we have when we have things that are see. Rick people will die for people were killed. Four people will benefit from perpetuating right. Time will eventually turned my United Leghorn Programme, get diabetes and lose both my legs. I won't be able to fly anywhere because a verb stent in

heart and, at that point out there be more reward and telling people everything. I know about United Secret fire for a room it s, bed confession tropes right, but because she's whom but the than the next. I think the next step of that, though, that we ve talked about pretty death. Actually, I hope you didn't ruin your show doing it by Louis talked about the idea of when the idea of keeping something secret in some sort of like Sacrosanct is never talk about this box, verses, rendering the secret somehow less value. Or a relevant. So for the the leg room conspiracy for the first class for free conspiracy, then the idea becomes all if to

what if now there's teleportation and you know what, if we ve broken our lives, two to five for the honor of Europe in the world. And the air lying in the first class. And now the people who who brought us- and it is all about teleportation ere- they think, as I keep stirring quaint, that you physically fire, an aircraft and leaving its your thing, but no you wanna teleport, now the now, no matter what you say about that specific instance of what was a life and a secret, especially their inundated with information right, because now again we are unequipped to deal with what Dunbar's number argument we

only know how many people is at a low. Exactly is in the hundred like low hundreds, you're gonna say like three cheers: ain't you. I think what ya think to your point, you're saying I too take J F K for example, then, for reasons both individual to humans and too It would collectively the conspiracy, the size of which would be required to assassinate Kennedy and keep keep it all secret. Number of people that would have to have known, not only Would they end up dead, eyeing moving into political phases where it was more profitable to tell the truth, but also just in general luck. They would have

bigger secrets. That is a woman I yeah yeah. There would be going back to the idea of consistency of consequence, which is not a real thing. In the real world bright, we can write laws. We can make video games implying a situation which that would exist, but yea think anything. Just as technology of olives at a very quick pace adds to humanity. Organic things continue to evolve. I we see this situation where on an individual societal level, the concept of value of information, of all look even like that. You have a thing we talked about the sleepy. You know the millionaire inside the cockpit videos like these identified objects, yeah now the Navy's. I guess that's what it is we are lacking,

war is now worth a dusty like do the dance really Beethoven S brain when we have hundreds of our best. Pilots were trans, and now we have to replace the right worse, treading water, understand change like the time to change the rules, change like, of course, they were ufos that the whole time idiot I learn lessons were dying. Labelling of the goalposts moves in the consequences change. Therefore, people can one we come out and be like next course. You do not the whole time you didn't know so. Secrecy exist a given scenario, so long long as that secrecy is somehow seeing as beneficial, and there must be a tipping point where its rendered irrelevant or where it is. I don't know way that slippery, though, because as very very close to say that there is no such thing

over time as a secret. That's very optimistic, I think wiser, but I do with the air describe is too now take the Illuminati short. I it's simultaneously completely discredited by some other stuff, but then AIDS, the exception. That proves the rules if there is to say if you guys smoke that work with me afterwards and you keep adding more worms that the Illuminati as it's the teleportation principle. They say or time changes They say it's dark and stop changing, and we ve been doing this for six hundred years. So we ve got lots of stories to tell you about people who have come before you, that succumb to the temptation to write a tell all or to cash in their ships. In that person's name was Dave, Chapelle and now look

happened, do whatever they they'll give you like examples ago that this persons in their underwear in the street Lake now they're officially classified as a crazy person. Their children are gonna, go to write, schools are even if they do, their grandchildren will be broker a if they that, depending on what they reveal to you, and then they go On the other hand, you have a subscription to urge to cheat Code Library where you, everyone's gonna, keep playing Mario brothers, you alone are always going to have access to the hidden levels. You're always going to be able to. It might even include being able to benefit your friends who aren't in the Illuminati you might. You might be able to pick and choose like the circumstances that might be like a personal benefit of it, and it's like,

ask you to do is either baby every October or re, but it's like I ask myself if I don't think I have anything in neatly inside of me that would necessarily when it gets that extreme. I wonder if I have the marrow in my bones, that would simply go nuts. The right thing to do and when it brings holding down we have the overwhelming indication. Was you can't do that? You first came to think that in a little matter, if you do tell just turn into a Yo Yo, be class of you'll be called a gigantic denies, gets a frantic. Is it a baby per person or is it a baby per like organ? Is how does that determine my thanks? where I fall in this light, I M really judge is genuinely oh, it's accurate yeah. They feels accurate in its scope, because I'm never actually thought about it in their particular way or enhanced

was talking about the secret societies, even though, even though he was doing it with of of wilful in knowledge, lake can have perspective very he's like yeah. Are they really do is sit around a read? Books are jerk off and, like Haydn coffins labour actual. I like it doesn't change the fact that, when I think about the existence of something like this Columbine society, I gotta be brutally honest and say leg, the one of the primary reactions I have as jealousy like. I do. I am the guy that, like the airline offers like platinum, VIP, whatever it's a at any time, there's like you, know, airline lounge lake. In it they have extra platinum door, and you can't you pass that one unless you have the other thing I am, I am always just

filled with dislike. Just this envy may come on man. Give me give me everywhere. I want the whole thing I go out and any really could fool me easily when the viper room was still open here and allay the viper room, add two booths and it was just there. They were booth that were smaller than something you could get it at Shoney's, and but there are only ways to sit in. They were very peoples and it was like I was just such a sucker for it if they are not going to the viper room. Unless I know a vip ass, I sit in one of those booths like like garbage like you could be. I could be sold a clue

is it to stand in if you call a vip closet anyway, scientist SAM Leg of the builder bird contacted me: that's the masons. It turned out to be real belay come on. I am a member most most booth, you, I think most people would because that there's this dichotomy between- and this may be the best example, but it's like the we see so many paintings that we ve made of ourselves fray Sunni, like the norm, Rockwell things winning self portraits. We ve made whether it's our Netflix Q full of a tunnel documentaries that we we like to think where the person who had won You know what I mean you know like people are scrolling through or like yeah man. I give so many shits about north.

What's happening. There is terrible, and then you know I like to look at what you recently watched. One of those is the story we tell about ourselves and the other one is who we are defined by our actions, and it is a very difficult, I would say, preposterous assumption to make that any signal began majority red forget that any significant minority of human beings would given that sort of choice. So now again, I am a thing. You know where I can just code allowed. If seven billion five hundred million people are immersed in one reality- and you beckoned me back into the back room of the vatican- and you tell me you ve, been doing this for us thousand years. Here's a thousand stay here are goblet of wine. This is bill gates. The system

this baby take a bite of this baby. I mean that is with those did the deal breakers would get down to those minutiae. It would be like bite this baby. Am I kill him Maybe there are major fire breaking the skin, revealing with that. There was baby in the baby, read that a rarity Tom Hanks in his time hangs. I examined my third one leg. Just relax this

taking that away from it it just sort of like I do it's funny how like offended I'll get about the idea of like autocracy versus democracy, linking the bullet that I believe I would take in the in the reality of like a guy like what I truly actually do believe that with push came to shove, the torture I'd endure and sacrifice I'd be willing to commit to protect my fellow human beings. Freedoms actually is pretty extreme by my own measure, like I look at myself and a guy you're a little bit of a factor when it comes down to it, like you'd you'd, almost cut off her nose, despite your face just to make a point about how important it is for it to not let that vampire into that kitchen. But that's when it,

that small scale- and I just but when I think about the Harry Potter version of where people just like no it's magic lake is that we have a secret entrance of the subway and like we all you manage in every every array, everyone that things are eating. Kalama is eating paganism only we know it like. I got good. It gets that fun I've gotta keep secrets, yeah I'd, say: to go? Well geez I mean this is like a Joss Whedon show you don't like I'd be like like like well now, I'm a hero for taking part in this I got my Jennifer Garner and Alias seamounts, a girl you part of the CIA you're, like a part of this sure I'll, do wet work, How much of that is how much of that is framed such that participated in this is The one way to matter, because that means not participating in it. If one were to whom that immediately, no matter what you do right

in opposition to the severely if you blow they knew say you you go public in like this is how you first class on his ear flight. This as well. Happens to all those babies and here's b. Let thy born of a child who, whatever didn't mean for my voice, to sound that arch, but you d or that excited order born of a child primo partners, because it's late at night, I think about it. Ok, so you really dried or renew your legs wreck J, sixty people, you guys what drink the Kool aid. The new phrase should be taste the baby. Scientists are now finished. You die soon heard that, yes, the thought, then, is the alternative. If, if such a situation like that exists, the alternative, then, is complete large entity status. It makes me think of timing

Jones, leaving well Smith on the park bench in the first I met a black like were a brilliantly crafted its leg instead of sweating away over, you know like what could have easily been a two hundred page scream play a, but you know joyously adapting. This thing was like the chicks, just simple approach, which was wheels with found himself accidently finding out as a New York cop that you now some people have for arms and what's his face. I forget his name highly Tommy Lee, like sits him down and says here's the deal as a bigger world out there and you get a choice and amateur but I'm going to walk away and- and you you can forget about all this- and I don't know if he explicitly says like if you do like I'll actually literally make you forget by its annual. I give him a day you're a tiny aids to NATO and it, but ITALY

in that moment. I remember reading that script because I was new new out here. Then I saw it on the screen and at the same response it was as I got. This is just suggest. Simply it's a simple, really and way of like a shrink. Audience across a threshold. Mr Redtail bleaker simply item, and I have another great example- the same aviary. It's like it gets. You don't always need to have a refusal of the call in these stories because there actually are just absolutely but there's threshold that you just don't have a choice but to cross and it's like. Do you really want to go back to working in your laundromat? Now that we have like touched your life and made it more magical? I feel you really call this, out, because at the beginning of every episode, there's that you can turn back now part inherit guys. I appreciate, is fully in the door Bell sounded car was worth asking about.

Mad about dark forces bringing your door about turn back now from your own worryingly. You know that I find out that those that we should that out of the video in the video there's a door like visual of like area here today is very quietly. That's what I like! Oh yeah, there's like the door and while its own yeah you're right now been born and created that from back when we started out as to show and we were thinking like we need. An issue needs to be, We see the viewers re write, rare, I have you seen it ever. Nursey will one day will what I do for a gradual opening. The drumbeat Is it

it's a little off yeah. That's my fall again when I was a young man has anyone and they re doing it by including the death I did in my hands like Edith, you didn't want. I read the profound revised as I didn't do it, because I like what I was doing no doing hoarding. Have you heard the art is flying Lotus legates? They advocate like an awesome producer heap. He does that outside likes click very like like on quantity, skillery, I've always a hip hop. Does that now at least they deliberately rob you of your expectations

a deal or whenever they don't even like exactly like the Mps following our homesite man measuring silently away here goes like this. We all thought it also unsettling two degree. As a matter forces not only ring your door. Please you draw machine like us out. Just like. Never quantity is exactly where the dark forces don't been quantities. Well, I'm really they Marcia be their own terms. Listen, listen! I'm calling you started. Episode right now. Listen. I only wanted to end here. My promise Oh that's all that was my a conspiracy and saw some stuff. That's that was my thing. Mention that I have a pet conspiracy

We are really over that. I wanted to ask it s about, but we could talk about what go. Let's go from where I have a drink must do it This is like a thanks for jargon. My dog domestication go have fun, tagamet conspiracy theories, dole of its hour. I well about dignity. They will resume. That sounds like that like a fantastic idea, because we need to first off. I learn a little bit more about promise and I would prefer ear. You guys know man, that's a great off the cuff, So I ask you to listen and acronyms every eye. Like I love you. There is a good day, cocoa ribbons. So where burning down the show, a save the show. Thank you so much for tuning in everybody Dan. Thank you so much for hanging

now as you as you established earlier in our episode today. You have you have departed Twitter right, but you are still active. Spire. Various concerns about surveillance states on these social media is I with a particularly instagram psychoactive outside one out. Let you ve created, like your own surveillance state ass. I, like a sixteen camera cardiovascular work out programme with greens, forty people at a time watch it and there's like regulars that a foreigner community around watching me lift weights and swim Do you see the feed idea respond ever idea? Ok, yeah, there's people that are become part of its like a family and end. I I made a title sequence for the work out. They include, like some other people, that only comment like like as if their cast members like, is that the guy at the table on is

computer is that a separate fingers had just something you made once or twice does stock footage that I used to, like that's a pre role, kind of thing I think that, as of setting up the feed than I bring that guy up and that's a loop of him sitting there typing and then at any point I can then type at the button that goes into the sixty seconds. It's about to start. Everything all working people see this for themselves, agree on be in harmony dear. I have to say to my daughter, isn't quite old in Ottawa Chicken morning, but I am a big fan of your car songs. I got the earbuds in, and you've obviously made this track in your lip. Syncing in your car is in one we are like taking a meeting at a studio and you sort of stop the song or second talk security guy and then go back to the son. She loves that and we

them together in a binding thing for a smile, my fiance is sisters kids dead there. I trust them to curate, because I don't want to think about kids listing of my songs when I do on by. I really love the fact that some of the size just happened by pure coincidence to be p they're, not about anything. Oh yeah, I think in, and they I learnt when kids love your songs, its lake, yet the one about the pooping robot Canada JAM, but against you of those are all like on the feed. But then the stories is where you can see there are. The live. Streams is weakened, see the work of. In windows. When does Ricky Morty officially, November, something I don't know, there's a date yet trailer, but just staring your television and over

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